an audio only recording of part of the Afterword to David Brins' Novel EARTH.

Cool

wow ! ya know most animals bully and or kill for sport as it were. I believe we do need to look back and learn from our mistakes.

BTW this made me think of Remington the artist who never saw the wild west but painted what most of us believe to be fact. LOL

and most, MOST Native American tribes enslaved their own people captured from differing clans. . . as did Arabs, and Asians, (but not so much in Asia, the peasant system providing near slave conditions without the need for a commerce system to trade in humans.

the absolute number one European invention???

rebellion!

Viv;

like STEPHEN CRANE writing about the Civil war


Quick Facts

STEPHEN CRANE TIMELINE

• Born November 1, 1871 in Newark, New Jersey.
The fourteenth child of Jonathan and Mary Helen Crane.

uh for the historically challenged... the so called Civil War ended in 1865.

Aug 1865 I think

I like history

I love history.....now the Civil War....was that fought in Idaho??? (Kidding...really!)

That was great.

yeah Kim and I had to explain to a date the other night that the violence at the end of Scorsese's GANGS OF NEW YORK, and she is a smart, literate woman, not some Georgia redneck, that the violence wasn't about immigrant vs. native born it was about Lincoln suddenly changing the focus of the war from preservation of, (or who controlled) the Union and the Emancipation Proclamation which ONLY proclaimed freedom for those held in areas in open REBELLION to the federal government...

actual text below...

"Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States, the following, to wit:

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued. "


This produced the 'Draft Riots'. [Google it!]
The largest civilian insurrection EVER in this country in which over 200 yes HUNDRED people were killed, many fired upon by troop pulled from the front line to "restore order" (and enforce the Federal government's edicts that if you didn't have the dollars you were cannon fodder)...

Wiki leaves out this in it's listing but if you look at the timing it is suspect.. Jan 1 1863 for the proclamation, draft enforced late February early March.
I first saw it referred to in Ken Burns's CIVIL WAR on PBS.

Just Dropping By To Leave A 10 Great Stuff!

Thanks for posting this

Ah, a video that provkes THOUGHT, lloyd. Are you sure TOS allows that sort of thing?
(joke)
This does remind me of visit to old castles in Europe. One can stand there and fantasize about the days of heros and living in simpler times, but Really! Castles were cold, drafty, hard to keep up housekeeping wise. it is good to look back at mistakes and say :"ok, won't do THAT again", but you were So right that looking back will Not solve all our problems. Forward, please. visualize the future and future problems. Solve them.

Interesting points of view. Yet, the poblems, mistakes, etc., will today experience the same results when the same thinkers are still alive and can share what they know.

Darlene;

maybe it's just me but I can't quite puzzle that one out, can you elaborate?

sorry.

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awesome