Scam.....more fear mongering, I fear ;-)

pss: Check out this post a young guy wrote in my LGBT group:

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?grpId=3659174697246231&articleId=281474977666875&nav=Groupspace

He is active in church.......and gay.....and would be great dad someday :-) How can we waste time running down loving folks, while we let the cretins run our world into the ground? Priorities, folks......lets get them, if nothing else, straight ;-)

Chuck....FYI....here is a posting I just did to an article about gay adoption, and some closed minded church folks got a bunch of comments on.....

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Wow, Bent.....I go away for a few months, and find you still "at it"...... stirring the proverbial pot (pun intended ;-)

Poor Rev. Gilman wants us all to still love him, even as he spews hate.....God bless your soul, sir :-o

Dan hides, barely, internalized homo-phobia (for those not conversant with this term, it means being fearful of being gay himself). Tho, Dan does make a good point....sexual predators. Certainly not all gay men are predators; nor are str8 guys.....all men, generally are a bit over-sexed (uggh, thats why species rec-create. That is make babies, and have lots of sex for fun). God/nature made it fun/feel good, so we would "go forth and prosper/multiply" . BUT, when that urge is suppressed for silly victorian attitudes, some guys get weird....desperation isn't pretty in anyone, eh? This results in weird proclivities in any population of people (str8, gay, country, society). If we just treated sex like eating, drinking, and breathing air (like it really is about), then we would have non-issue (except for the small percentage of mental folks.....that do all sorts of bad things to others). Putting gays into that group by default, Rev. Gilman is unfair, ignorant, and very damaging to those people. "Hate the sin, and love the sinner" is 150% B.S./mindf*ck. Get off the moral high horse, dude.

Back to Dan.....he has a point. And Dan, I suggest that you face down those trolls that made you feel harassed. "Just say no" applies to sex as well as drugs. And, saying: "Hey pathetic a**swipe; go get a life, or go to jail" works well on lecherous men....both old gay men, and Baptists who seem to molest lots of young girls. Its a problem of human nature, not orientation.

As for adoption......anyone who is willing to give a loving home to a child should be able too. So many kids live horrible lives; cuz their selfish parents can't/won't give them a emotionally safe upbringing. I know this 1st hand, cuz I raised 4 kids openly gay; and guess what? Most of my kids friends nearly lived at my house, cuz their self-absorbed parents (in a wealthy suburb of Atlanta) didn't care about them. I raised more than 4 kids......try about 100, to varying degrees.

Kitty, I sooo "get" your thing about evil and good.....ever watch the movie "Constantine?"....great flick, and very telling/accurate. BUT, and here is the big butt, sweetheart, you are seeing evil in all the wrong places. Look to the hypocrites who pretend good, then do evil deeds.....not those who are being painfully honest, and getting derision in return for their efforts. Better the devil you know, not the one you don't know, right? So if we are devils....we are honest ones; brave ones, and ones who stand up for lots of downtrodden peoples. This is a good thing to teach children, I think. Character.

As for the whole issue of ho-mo-SEX-u-AL-it-y? Its mostly about people's fear of intimate sexual relations. Many people can't even tell their spouses what they like in the bedroom, much less 'talk' about it publicly. When we talk about queers, the mouth is moving, but the mind is going straight to visualizing the act/acts. Then, its easy to come up with horrific words to describe people, eh? Try doing this when thinking of a 70 yr old rich guy, and a 18 year old girl....visualize, then describe in words, what that guy looks like and what he is doing. Its legal, eh? but pretty disgusting...on many levels.

So, get over the sex, ok? Then life in many aspects will get better. People will stop eating themselves into obesity for lack of human touch and oral fixation (I think they call that one of the 7 deadly sins, right? Sloth?) Violent sex acts.....where men, and women, visit violence on their partner during sex. Wow, that is a sickie, eh? Yet, in the show "Legends of the Seeker"...a kid's TV show about a brave young guy, he keeps getting whipped by an S&M chick. Anyone who wants violence in their sex....which should be an act of love, compassion ( the bonding of two humans that 'helps' both be more sensitive to each other; and, others later on) is a sick puppy. That is a sin.....even if they didn't think to put it in the bible. Hell, maybe its there somewhere? What say you, Rev. Gilman?

I do commend the dear ladies who have trouble understanding gay, and have commented above their caring for you Bent, et al. It isn't easy to "go there" in your mind, and still say kind things (see my difficulty in doing that yet? ;-) But, politically correct may make for civil discourse; but doesn't really throw the topic on the table for real review/discussion. Its like racism. Many people are (both black and white folks), but learn to hide it to be 'acceptable' in public. Again, the merits of that are good in that kids don't see hate flying all over; and can pretend that granny isn't a pink sheeted clanswoman (I live in the south, btw ;-). But sometimes its good to call a spade a spade, and let the cards fall as they may (that is a card term, btw....not to be confused with a slur. no joke intended)

Bottom line? Its time to get real, folks. Real honest about everything. Denial got us into this economic disaster; and denial prolongs lots of painful & hurtful behaviors. Time to stop hurting people, and just accept humans for what and who they are.....good, bad, ugly.....we all have aspects of them all. Pretending does no one any good.....it only helps the real sinners do their evil deeds in the shadows cast as a result. Use that in next week's sermon, Rev. Gilman, ok? No copyright worries with me :-)

Thanks for you articles Bent.....cya...

great article, thanks for sharing this :-)

I agree with Joe, Chuck......there are churches in every major city that are open to gay men and women. Spirituality is KEY to survival....in any "walk" of life. It isn't the provence of the small minded, and controlling judgmental folks.....unless we let them shut good people out (of any orientation). Its said by a growing majority of people (decidely not gay people all over the world), that religions have caused more pain/hate/anger/death than good. I don't believe that. I believe bad/evil people have done that......and many pretend to be spiritual; when in fact, they use religion to push their agenda.

Check out my books on this topic.....will send you copies if you can't afford them ...best regards,

patrick

:-)

Chuck, thanks for sharing this.....its hard to explain to folks, and you have done a great job of it...

:-)


Sorry I have been so "out of touch"......and Gather has become a ghost town.....Lets see if we can resurect some of it, eh?

ps, Kitty: Real native Indians are cool with gay; as are most indigenous native populations....All animal populations (human and otherwise) have about a 7% gay subgroup ;-)

Wow, Bent.....I go away for a few months, and find you still "at it"...... stirring the proverbial pot (pun intended ;-)

Poor Rev. Gilman wants us all to still love him, even as he spews hate.....God bless your soul, sir :-o

Dan hides, barely, internalized homo-phobia (for those not conversant with this term, it means being fearful of being gay himself). Tho, Dan does make a good point....sexual predators. Certainly not all gay men are predators; nor are str8 guys.....all men, generally are a bit over-sexed (uggh, thats why species rec-create. That is make babies, and have lots of sex for fun). God/nature made it fun/feel good, so we would "go forth and prosper/multiply" . BUT, when that urge is suppressed for silly victorian attitudes, some guys get weird....desperation isn't pretty in anyone, eh? This results in weird proclivities in any population of people (str8, gay, country, society). If we just treated sex like eating, drinking, and breathing air (like it really is about), then we would have non-issue (except for the small percentage of mental folks.....that do all sorts of bad things to others). Putting gays into that group by default, Rev. Gilman is unfair, ignorant, and very damaging to those people. "Hate the sin, and love the sinner" is 150% B.S./mindf*ck. Get off the moral high horse, dude.

Back to Dan.....he has a point. And Dan, I suggest that you face down those trolls that made you feel harassed. "Just say no" applies to sex as well as drugs. And, saying: "Hey pathetic a**swipe; go get a life, or go to jail" works well on lecherous men....both old gay men, and Baptists who seem to molest lots of young girls. Its a problem of human nature, not orientation.

As for adoption......anyone who is willing to give a loving home to a child should be able too. So many kids live horrible lives; cuz their selfish parents can't/won't give them a emotionally safe upbringing. I know this 1st hand, cuz I raised 4 kids openly gay; and guess what? Most of my kids friends nearly lived at my house, cuz their self-absorbed parents (in a wealthy suburb of Atlanta) didn't care about them. I raised more than 4 kids......try about 100, to varying degrees.

Kitty, I sooo "get" your thing about evil and good.....ever watch the movie "Constantine?"....great flick, and very telling/accurate. BUT, and here is the big butt, sweetheart, you are seeing evil in all the wrong places. Look to the hypocrites who pretend good, then do evil deeds.....not those who are being painfully honest, and getting derision in return for their efforts. Better the devil you know, not the one you don't know, right? So if we are devils....we are honest ones; brave ones, and ones who stand up for lots of downtrodden peoples. This is a good thing to teach children, I think. Character.

As for the whole issue of ho-mo-SEX-u-AL-it-y? Its mostly about people's fear of intimate sexual relations. Many people can't even tell their spouses what they like in the bedroom, much less 'talk' about it publicly. When we talk about queers, the mouth is moving, but the mind is going straight to visualizing the act/acts. Then, its easy to come up with horrific words to describe people, eh? Try doing this when thinking of a 70 yr old rich guy, and a 18 year old girl....visualize, then describe in words, what that guy looks like and what he is doing. Its legal, eh? but pretty disgusting...on many levels.

So, get over the sex, ok? Then life in many aspects will get better. People will stop eating themselves into obesity for lack of human touch and oral fixation (I think they call that one of the 7 deadly sins, right? Sloth?) Violent sex acts.....where men, and women, visit violence on their partner during sex. Wow, that is a sickie, eh? Yet, in the show "Legends of the Seeker"...a kid's TV show about a brave young guy, he keeps getting whipped by an S&M chick. Anyone who wants violence in their sex....which should be an act of love, compassion ( the bonding of two humans that 'helps' both be more sensitive to each other; and, others later on) is a sick puppy. That is a sin.....even if they didn't think to put it in the bible. Hell, maybe its there somewhere? What say you, Rev. Gilman?

I do commend the dear ladies who have trouble understanding gay, and have commented above their caring for you Bent, et al. It isn't easy to "go there" in your mind, and still say kind things (see my difficulty in doing that yet? ;-) But, politically correct may make for civil discourse; but doesn't really throw the topic on the table for real review/discussion. Its like racism. Many people are (both black and white folks), but learn to hide it to be 'acceptable' in public. Again, the merits of that are good in that kids don't see hate flying all over; and can pretend that granny isn't a pink sheeted clanswoman (I live in the south, btw ;-). But sometimes its good to call a spade a spade, and let the cards fall as they may (that is a card term, btw....not to be confused with a slur. no joke intended)

Bottom line? Its time to get real, folks. Real honest about everything. Denial got us into this economic disaster; and denial prolongs lots of painful & hurtful behaviors. Time to stop hurting people, and just accept humans for what and who they are.....good, bad, ugly.....we all have aspects of them all. Pretending does no one any good.....it only helps the real sinners do their evil deeds in the shadows cast as a result. Use that in next week's sermon, Rev. Gilman, ok? No copyright worries with me :-)

Thanks for you articles Bent.....cya...

ps: please also add a URL link to your book, where people can go to buy it online :-)

hey, Tom......sounds interesting.....and visually "stimulating".

can you share a few pictures from the book here, so we can look at them on the FREE Tibet group here on gather?

I look forward to seeing your book.....sounds like you had interesting travels....

:-)