I said I wasn't going to write this, but I can't resist. Phil Berg has been retained by African Press International (API) to release the telephone tapes between Michelle Obama and the editor of API where she says that her husband was born in Hawaii, but was adopted by his Indonesian father, making him a naturalized, but not natural born citizen.
This link came directly from Berg's assistant, Citizen Wells' blog site which can be found here. The tapes are supposed to be released tomorrow. As Berg notes, (48th comment) "If Obama's wife, Michelle's version is correct, she confirms what I alleged, that Obama was either 'adopted' or 'acknowledged' by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. Mrs. Obama states Obama was 'adopted.' The adoption means that when Obama returned to the United States, if he came through U.S. Immigration, Obama would only be "naturalized" and therefore ineligible to be President. If Obama did not go through U.S. Immigration, he would be an illegal alien and therefore not only be ineligible to be President, but also ineligible to be U.S. Senator from Illinois and subject to deportation."
Berg, a Democrat and Clinton supporter, who has a pending lawsuit in a PA federal court requiring Obama to produce proof of his legal US citizenship, has also been retained by API to handle any litigation that may result in the release of the tapes. One major network will be chosen to air these tapes unedited.
As you'll see, if you read the first linked article, the media in the US is as dirty and filthy in all of these dealings as anyone would expect. Although API has not yet selected a news station to air the tapes, API has three, signed, unilateral agreements from networks that claim to have been given the green light to release the tapes, also telling people that they have the agreement with API to do so. Well, I guess we can't blame their greed too much this time, since it is HUGE news.
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Looks like the proverbial October surprise may have arrived.
I see you've resonded to the answer on the other post. I won't dignify it with an answer, since none of the questions I posed were addressed. That people will not see that this case goes far beyond Obama's eligibility to the issue of challenging the fiber of our country, the US Constitution, is irreverent and anarchical, especially since those we count on to uphold that law are the very ones who would discard it at a moment's notice for personal gain. For those who do see it and condone it, I can't find a word that would express the visceral disgust that their existence evokes in me.
Yes, Jerry, understatedly.
I guess they think they are even above the law in responding in time to the request for admissions within the 30 day time period. They're just above it all, as the demons that ride in the air on their wings of contempt and deception.
I'm learning, and would truly like to know.
It's amazing someone who would post such crap can even use a computer.
Thank You!
Hi Mark-John! Of course I didn't mean funny as in ha-ha.
If he wants to hang around and assist in the further destruction of Chicago, he can "knock himself out."
I thought it was interesting that I went to the websites of every major news source (even Fox!) and did a search for Philiip Berg on every site, and not one of them even had even the tiniest news story anywhere.
Of course, I never expected to find anything at CNN, CBS, ABC, or any of the other "impartial and unbiased" liberal news sources, but I thought sure that Fox would have at least something on it.
In matters of such importance as this one in question, the validity of the legality of the person seeking the office of the supposed highest standing in the entire world ... there are many potential ramifications and possible subterfuges (conspiracies) that would be taking place ...
The stakes are so high that there is nothing that some folks will not do to assure their own aims and desires are met ... in fact the most intelligent minds that money can buy would be deeply involved ... deeply ... meaning to the degree that you and I could not even imagine ...
I have spent all morning on the links provided here by Sue and find it all fascinating to say the least ... because I have been very interested in these "end times" for a long while now, I have many potential sources and reasons in mind for such activities such as these ... I am aware that those who think less deeply about all of this do so because they have little interest and/or a lack of intelligence which would give them such interest ... it is all too easy to just pick "a side" and support it with words of opinion as most seem to do ... such as the couple of "supporters" of Sue's, mentioned recently in this very thread ...
But never the less, I commend Sue for her diligence in pursuing this as it seems very valid in it's potentials ... which may be far more involved with reasoning and intended results than what comes to mind for most of us ... when one gets into conspiracies such as this, there is usually much more going on than readily comes to mind ... there is no end to the depth of what may well be behind all of this and to what the actual intended results are meant to be ...
Thanks for the interest and digging Sue ... at first I thought it was all just sour grapes conspiracy theory by the right-wing apologists ... but there sure seems to be so much more to it ... possibly even more than even you suspect ...
Oh yes ... Mariah ... I am not saying that she is ... but in things this involved the POWERS behind it all will go to any length to affect public opinions and confuse (obfuscate) the facts to divert interest down paths better suited to their interests ... they do in fact employ many people to comment on blog sites for that very purpose ... it is all just that important to those who seek to control the whole world ... think about it !
"Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama."
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2225
With all the research you've done, I'm sure you've probably already read this before, but doesn't the state residency law of Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth come into play somewhere in this case??
Just in case you haven't read about it, here's a website that discusses what I'm talking about
Jerry, I also wanted to mention that you are right about there being so much more to this than even I have thought of, or would want to think of. Yes, there is a lot of dealing going on here. You also don't always know whether the truth comes from one side or another, from neither, and at times from both, and when those times are.
Mariah, the link to the API webpost comes from citizen Wells' website who is Berg's assistant. I am pretty sure I also saw another link to API from Berg's own site, obamacrimes, and the 48th comment in that post on API is from Berg and that comment has a link back to his site.
I've been all over Gather today fighting the good fight. I think I need a break.
Be back on later .....
As much as Obama is loved in Kenya I think maybe they should go into hiding. lol
Of course, I never expected to find anything at CNN, CBS, ABC, or any of the other "impartial and unbiased" liberal news sources, but I thought sure that Fox would have at least something on it.
THE ONE & ONLY BERF .., Oct 21, 2008, 12:58pm EDT
Berf because unlike Sue the major news networks can recognize horse shit when they see it.
I think it is time to face it; Obama will likely be the next President.
Oh ye, I tried to go back read your old post to understand the background of the story.
It seems that this 911 conspiracy loon is launching a number of contradictory accusations against Obama.
1) Obama is not a Natural Born US Citizen because he was born in Kenya.
2) Obama has abandoned his Natural Born US Citizen status when he accepted Indonesian Citizenship.
Sue, remind me again why the MSM is not reporting on this story?
Also, I read your first post on the issue; your strong suspicion that somehow Clinton was behind this doesn’t make much sense. Clinton would have had the most to gain if she would have raised the issue when she still had the chance to win the nomination.
And, when he first file the case, the “911 Was Conspiracy” lawyer, had said that he was filing the case to clear ways for the RNC’s case that will be filed after the Democratic Convention. Well, nearly two month after the convention, there is still nothing from the RNC. The guy is unreliable – he lives in his own conspiracy filled world.
Just think for a moment; The RNC is desperate for anything to make Obama appear unqualified to be president. And this guy is saying that he got the one information that would disqualify Obama, literally and not taker in the RNC. How is this making any sense to you?
http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-hawaii-lawsuit-r868547.htm
And I think there is one more guy, but he isn't making much news. I've only seen him mentioned once.
If Obama wins the election I think I will be alright with it. Of course I'll be disappointed. And I'll wonder if he stole the election, but the Dems have been saying that Bush stole the election for years. I guess the shoe will be on the other foot now. lol I've always known that things change and power shifts. We had 8 years of Bush (R) and before that 8 years of Clinton (D).
I'll be watching to see where this goes, if anywhere.
'Till then, I'll reserve judgment or comment.
You DO amaze me sometimes.
Shine on,
~ Ken
Or do I??...................
Most folks look at it from a polarized box based upon political ideology and are well indoctrinated in the dualistic (+/-) theory of right and wrong (right and left for many here)(same thing to them).
That being the result of the "divide and conquer" methods of the actual leaders who reside in anonymity protected by their extreme wealth, those who actually pull the strings of most of our politicians and the editorial policies of all of our MSM ...
It is those very same "folks" who use both political parties for their very own ends, we the citizens be damned (and we are). But as long as they can keep us sniping at each other instead of our coming together with the realization of the real truths, then it is all business as usual ... but ...
But we are fast headed for massive changes in our world, changes "they" are aware of and are orchestrating to their own advantage, changes that "we" are not supposed to know about or bother ourselves with ... changes that if I were to mention them I would be derided as a tin-foil hat wearing liberal conspiracy theorist ... what is more despicable than that ?
It sure makes folks with egos feel good about themselves to badmouth anyone that suggests that conspiracies may be afoot in this world ... they feel like genuine "mature" peers over us naive children who supposedly just don't know any better because our minds are so weak ... and of course theirs are so strong in comparison (right Jonathan G. ?) ...
I will only remind all, that the "real" shakers and movers in this world are NOT the folks who are always held up in public and written about in Forbes as the ones we are supposed to believe are the top dogs ... no ... the real ones go un-named, mostly because that is the way they want it and the only way that it can continually work for them to impact our world in their own favor ...
So go ahead folks, call me an idiot conspiracy theorist in ridicule as you pull the blanket over your head preferring to believe that all is well and your leaders have your best interests at heart ... fact being that those folks are socio- and psych-paths and have no hearts as we know them. We are so much more manipulated than most would ever allow themselves to even question let alone believe ... but it works for "them" ... ignorance may "seem" like bliss ... but only in comparison. The truth is really the only thing that will free us ... and we will never find it as long as we deny it.
Awwwwww, What a load of @$%&...........
"It is a thinly veiled racism that questions his citizenship."
Are there any aspects at all which are OK to question about this man's past or present? Or is it "racism" to even wonder?
Or do I??
Jerry, wouldn’t be the other way around?... the people that have all kids of conspiracy theories floating in their mind think they are much smarter than the rest of us who are just too simple to get it.
Look, any plot designed to execute an illegal or otherwise damaging act can be described as a conspiracy; so sure, I believe there are conspiracies in the world – both small and great.
But it is also true many see conspiracies where there is none. If I take every so called conspiracy that I come across seriously, I will be doomed to live a suspicious and pathetic life.
So, yes, unless I see a compelling evidence to back up the claims, I am inclined to dismiss a lot of so called conspiracies that come around my way.
Like for example – the good Rev Wright, Obama’s old pastor, claimed that the US government willingly infected the African American community with aids.
What am I to make of that? Just don’t even entertain it that is what. The only thing I can take from it is that the ole’ Rev. Wright has some loony tendencies.
And now we got this confused claim that starts with Obama is not qualified to be president and ends at, he should be deported, or is it that he is about to get deported.
Don’t you think that it takes quite a leap of logic to believe that this guy Berg is providing the information that would make McCain the de facto president elect and yet his campaign is ignoring it?
And Sue, "The Bulletin" is not even a "real" newspaper. I live in South Jersey. The two major papers of Philly are the Philadelphia Inquirer and The Daily News. What you are citing is a two-bit community rag. I've lived in this area all of my life. "The Bulletin" is nothing more than an advanced version of Shopper Weekly.
On the other hand, McCain was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone, and was challenged in court to prove his citizenship. He immediately complied, and the case was dropped. Obama's failure to comply with a court order for his documentation leads to a reasonable suspicion that he may be hiding something. It has been asserted by a number of sources that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. If this were true, he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien, barring any proof of citizenship. A replacement for him would then be up to the Democratic National Committee, prior to an election. Obviously, it would not be McCain. This requirement exists only for the president and vice president, not governor's.
Likewise, it would explain why Michelle Obama tried trawling the "very single mother" canard.
Obama has been challenged in court in an ongoing case to provide an original birth certificate. The case has been going on since August. He could end it at any time by producing his original birth certificate, yet he does not.
Even more suspicious is the incident when McCain was recognized as a natural born citizen, ( 2d Session S. RES. 511: ) based upon the proof he provided, which made him legally eligible, Senator Obama attempted to insert the following Resolution:"Whereas other presidential candidates born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be president."
If successful this would have opened the door for Obama. It seems clear that Obama was attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering a foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background or a birth certificate. McCain did not need this resolution. It is guessed that somebody in the race, born outside the USA, was covering and that could only have been Obama. If so, it would then indicate that Obama has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years.
Others who might be interested in covering this up, if it proves so, would be the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee, and it's Chair, Diane Feinstein. They are responsible for the Certification of a Candidate's Compliance with Constitutional Requirements, a job they would have conspicuously failed to do.
Berg said he would "immediately" file an appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, if the DNC succeeded in getting his case dismissed. He added that if they don't get a fair ruling there, he would immediately go to the Supreme Court.
pamela hurley, Oct 21, 2008, 8:49pm EDT
Yeah, but donkeys are just so f'n stubborn!
If this becomes a real issue, I would agree with you. I am a strong believer in transparency in government officials. But I also believe that you should not have to respond to every bogus claim that somebody brings against you.
If Berg has a real case, then the court will take some kind of action. If that was to happen, we have a real issue. Then every person, supporter or not, should demand answer. I am a big supporter of Obama, but if there are real unanswered questions about his qualification, I would demand that he swiftly present documentation and/or clarification.
But Right now all wee have is a bogus case; at the end, Berg will abandon the case and move on to his next conspiracy theory case.
Again, the biggest prove that this is a bogus case is the fact the RNC are not perusing it.
So if you feel frustrated that Obama is not providing enough answers, you should take it up with the McCain campaign; b/c, I promise you, if they were asking the questions, then Obama would have comply.
And the reason they are not asking is because there isn’t a real question worth asking.
Thanks to the others. Will read yours eventually, I suppose.
He said:
"I want to see a certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii, not one issued by the State of Obama. Why Obama won’t allow direct access to his birth records is beyond me. But the closer we get to discovering the truth about Obama the more we understand why he is terrified of that truth.
‘What is Obama hiding? Frankly, after being in Hawaii and conducting our first round of interviews, we think we have a clearer picture of what Obama is concealing, and why. We have more research and interviews to conduct before we can announce our opinions.
http://sooshisoo.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/hawaii-another-lawsuit-requesting-obamas-birth-records/
I consider it every bit as inappropriate and derisive for someone to call me a racist as he would consider it the same if someone were to refer to him with a derogatory word for what he is. Yet, it's perfectly fine for him to call others names. It goes right along with how they view this issue. No matter how many times you can show them that the lawsuit has far deeper implications, including a disregard for the constitution, they refuse to see that, but you put a seasonal manger scene up on their publicly taxed property and they're all over it as unconsitutional. Both of those examples are just self-centered egoism, and an integral part of the character of those people. You can't change it and to ask questions of it will only serve to get you more egotistical and self-centered answers.
"The elephant sure leaves bigger piles of shit than a donkey, that's for sure!"
pamela hurley, Oct 21, 2008, 8:49pm EDT
There are supposedly at least five more lawsuits being filed in other states this week for Obama to prove his citizenship.
One is dedicated primarily to forcing Obama to release his college records, which he is just as adamant about not releasing as he is his birth certificate. This one suggests the reason Obama won't release his college records is because he may have gotten educational aid and grants while in college, due to his status as being registered as a foreign student.
Robert M. (Mike) Duncan, the RNC Chairman, was quoted as saying, "Everyone knows what a real birth certificate looks like." The RNC is currently involved with filing an FEC complaint accusing Obama's campaign of taking money from foreign nationals.
His campaign contributions have not all been made known, (for someone promising transparency in government, this being his first example of transparency doesn't do much for his credibility) unlike the McCain campaign contributions for which, as MCain has noted, every penny has been accounted.
There are infinite amounts of grey in between every such extreme and therein lie the truths of the matter ... always !
Our major goal should be to always seek the highest truth where-ever it takes us ... when we do not really know what that truth is we should not off-hand put down and dismiss those who are seeking such truth, especially when we know not the information that they are using and just don't like the idea because it might somehow come up with something different than what we prefer to believe.
Those who are not seeking the highest experience in life of Love and Truth are doing themselves and all others a disservice ... IMnsHO.
(A quote from that link.)
As far as what you consider to be the good news, that's what I'd more likely consider to be questionable in light of the fact that I stated in my article. "Although API has not yet selected a news station to air the tapes, API has three, signed, unilateral agreements from networks that claim to have been given the green light to release the tapes, also telling people that they have the agreement with API to do so."
Fox may or may not be the MSM network chosen to air the tapes, but it appears that they have jumped the gun a bit. Another reason API has chosen Berg to represent it is because they are probably seeking his counsel as to which news media would most honestly present the unedited audios,
Obama/Biden
It's hard to believe Republicans can stoop this low. It's why I left the Party. He's an American, ue, his mother is an American. My nephews were both born in Indosesia, and they are both Americans because their mother is American. My neice was born in Germany, she also is an American because her Dad is an American. This is all so ridiculous, and a very sad way to try to win an election.
Obama has 12 years of teaching Constitutional Law under his belt. McCain finished fifth from the bottom of his Naval Academy class, but the Party keeps insisting on McCain being our President. Weird!
That means he should be pretty good at twisting it to serve his own purposes by now, right??
Perhaps the fraudulent things are of what you speak, and the RNC is also pressuring the FEC now.
A seemingly small, but potentially large moment has passed . . . according to what I see, Mr. Berg filed what is called a; "request for admissions" on Sept. 15th, and the defendants (Obama et al) had thirty days ("business days" I assume) from that date to respond with denials, or the allegations would be considered "admitted" within the context of the case.
One cannot help but wonder why that date (Sept. 21st.) was allowed to pass without any denials filed by the defense . . . Naturally, if some of the several claims made in the action by Mr. Berg are know to be true, then the omission of those specific claims by the respondents would draw much attention. Me thinks Mr. Berg knows what he's doing . . . and regardless of the veracity of this API matter, the combination of the failure of Mr. Obama to produce a COLB, refusal to allow the release of various records which might shed light on this question (such as school records), and the lack of legal response to the claims made in the Berg vs Obama et al suit, lead me to suspect that the "October surprise" has indeed arrived.
How it will play out is not at all clear, but by now the DNC knows whether or not Mr. Obama is in fact eligible to serve, and if he is not, I suspect the RNC has known all along . . .
I think your're right, though. This is the October surprise and it's also unclear as to how it will all play out. I, for one, think it's going to be dramatic.
The fact that the FEC and the DNC refuse to furnish proof of Obama's eligibility is simply startling. It would seem that if they could...they would. It's just inconceivable they would be this embroiled if they could make it go away by providing proof of citizenship.
Reeks of cover-up, and who's involved?...from Feinstein and her committee, the FEC, DNC and on up and down. Obama filed a motion to dismiss? duh! I didn't know defendants could move to dismiss their own case!!!
Very good re-cap, John.
I agree they must know...at least a lot more than we do...and it just gets curiouser and curiouser.
There is a logos which I've heard several speak of, which goes something like; "Well, he provided a copy of the birth certificate already, for all the world to see, online . . . SO, what's the big deal?" What such defenders don't seem to realize is; If Mr. Obama released such a copy, any claim that this is a "privacy issue" just flew out the window.
I noticed early on in this affair, that those "copies" were not posted on Mr. Obama's sites, but rather through a sympathetic blog site . . . and though I have not searched carefully, I don't believe that Mr. Obama himself states anywhere that he has posted his BC.
So, those who dismiss this on the grounds that the man has already produced a valid copy, are either wrong about that, or, are right, but wrong about there being any legal grounds for claiming that the man's privacy is an issue in the matter since "he provided a copy the birth certificate already, for all the world to see, online". It's a rather clear case of both having and eating one's cake . . .