Let me tell ya kids, it's days like this that I thank God I live in Canada.
Not the States.
Not England. (Great Britain)
Not the rest of Europe, because they don't speak English.
Nope.
Canada.
Or Maybe Australia.
Here's why!
Guest post by John Bingham, The Telegraph;
A Christian Couple face losing their livelihood after being charged with a criminal offence because they offended a Muslim woman by saying that Islamic dress is oppressive.
The couple's hotel has suffered a major drop in bookings because of the case.
Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang are awaiting trial accused of breaching public order by insulting a guest at their hotel in Aintree, Liverpool, about her religion.
The couple, who are members of an evangelical congregation, were arrested by police after getting into a discussion with the woman about the differences between Christianity and Islam earlier this year.
Mrs Vogelenzang, 54, is understood to have described Muslim dress as putting women into “bondage” while her husband, 53, allegedly described the Prophet Mohammed as a “warlord”.
The Christian Institute, which is funding the Vogelenzangs’ defence, said that the case showed that Christians are suffering growing “persecution” by officials who use the law to prevent them speaking about their faith.
“It is just a consequence of the case that not only are they worrying about criminal charges but they may also lose their business,” said Mike Judge, a spokesman for the institute.
It is understood that the argument happened on the last day of the woman’s stay at the hotel in March when she appeared in Muslim dress.
The woman, who has not been named, is said to have told them that Jesus is considered a “minor prophet” in Islam while the debate also touched on the status of Mohammed.
The guest complained to Merseyside Police who called the couple in for an interview.
They were questioned twice before being charged with a religiously aggravated public order offence.
They appeared before magistrates last week where they denied the charges and are due to go on trial later this year.
If found guilty they face a fine and a criminal record.
Mr Vogelenzang denies calling the Prophet Mohammed a “warlord.”
It is understood that his wife accepts that she used the word “bondage” about Islamic dress but denies deliberately causing offence.
“Even if the court accepts that these things were said, I have read this sort of thing in many western criticisms of Islam,” said Mr Judge.
“If we are really saying that someone can’t express that without having the police brought in, I think we are in a very worrying situation for freedom of speech.”
He added: “There is a persecution of Christians and I think public officials are misusing the law in that way.”
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Comments: 21
It's just their opinion. They think it's oppressive, they think these things...
How is that a criminal offense?
Is there more to this story? It doesn't add up.
But, on the other hand, I attended a college in the states where a white male student sleeping in a 3rd story dormitory yelled at some passing black females on the walk below his window. It seems they were being overly loud at 2 a.m. in the morning and the male student called them "water buffalo". The male student was subsequently arrested and charged with shouting "fighting words" at the women. This is true - I was there at the time. The prosecution held that calling Black women "water buffalo" was inciting violence because those words (to black women from a white male) are "fighting words!" Fortunately, the case was ultimately dropped.
No one of any faith (or lack of one) should go around attempting to "indoctrinate" others who didn't make it overtly obvious they were open to a discussion of such.
But when belief goes to court, then is it too far?
he might be referring to The Mayan Codices, destroyed on the order of Catholic Bishop Diego de Landa in 1562.
OR
Maybe this passage from the bible? "Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver." (Acts 19:19)
OR
Maybe he read the book, "“From Book Burning to Canon” by Pastor Patrick Henry Reardon in 1998, which states,
"It is not an uncommon thing for a priest to set fire to satanic texts surrendered to him by newly converted Christians."
OR
Perhaps the Crusades? After capturing Tripoli in 1109, they burned over 100,000 non-Christian manuscripts in the Banu Ammar library, at that time, the finest Muslim library in the world. The same in Constantinople in 1204, destroying the last surviving copies of classical works in Europe.
OR
Pope Gregory The Great;
The Inquisition and Cardinal Ximinez;
Christian emperors Joviana and Valens of Antioch;
OR
In 1998, a group of fundamentalists filed a lawsuit challenging the right of a school in Hawkins County, Tennessee to require their children to read such undesirable books as The Diary of Anne Frank and The Wizard of Oz, the latter because they objected to Glenda being a "good" witch.
And the pièce de résistance:
Christian churches burned Harry Potter books in Alamagordo, N.M., and Charleston, S.C. in 2002.
Kept up that olde tyme religion in 2003.
I could be mistaken, though. Did you mean something else, Ali?
Speaking about your faith is one thing. Attacking someone else's is quite another. When Jussi Kristian Halla-aho did it, he was fined. Just because the majority of your audience might agree with you, doesn't make it right to do bash someone else's beliefs. (Unless you're in your place of worship)
One's faith is one's faith. Keep it to oneself unless asked.
And since when do Christians consider the Crusaders kooks and bad apples?
I don't so much attack Christians as defend those that the Christians tend to attack. But the end result is much the same.
Yes, I do know a few Christians whom I admire because they seem to embody everything the bible asks of them, yet live joyously.
But it truly does seem to me that it's mostly the atheists and agnostics who have the better relationship with God... they seem to have a better understanding of what He wants of them, even if they question or reject His existence. They live that ideal.
Most Christians do not. They're too busy judging and condemning.
I'm perfectly happy to discuss it further if you wish. You might even get me into a church... but don't count on it.