AND FINALLY, OUR "IDIOT OF THE WEEK" AWARD GOES TO EACH AND EVERY AMERICAN WHO HAS ANY SYMPATHY OR TRUST LEFT FOR THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THE U.S. GOVERNMENT!
After years of breaking every rule of law going and constant lying to the American people the U.S. government has reached new lows.
Guantanamo Bay detainees have been illegally held according to the U.S. Supreme Court and now allowed to challenge their incarceration.
Some have been held for up to six years with no charges being laid in a lot of cases!
AND kids, listen to this!!!!!
Omar Khadr, the youngest detainee at the U.S. base in Guantanamo Bay is doing Americas more harm in prison than he ever did on the battlefields of Afghanistan.
Last Sunday, his military lawyer, Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, said he was shown documents ordering interrogators to destroy handwritten notes that might reveal mistreatment while questioning prisoners.
Kuebler said the practice deprived his 21 year old client and other prisoners of the right to challenge the legitimacy of their alleged confession.
Kahdr, the 15, is charged with killing a U.S. soldier in 2002.
The military judge set to hear Kadhr's case was abruptly replaced after he demanded military prosecutors disclose evidence requested by the defence!!!!!!
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The world looks down on us, yet we are the first to be calle upon , any and everytime some country is envaded or attacked. We are always the first to reach out to those in need, even if it means helping out the citizens of countries that are out to destroy us.
So once again I must disagree with you on this point.
I would sure like to know how historians look down on this period from a hundred years in the future, although the way things are going the past might be whatever they want it to be. (As if that hasn't happened yet!!!!)
As far as the President is concerned I cannot help but feel there is a POSSIBILITY that he either knows something that the rest of us do not, or he is being guided by the hand of God. Time will tell.
As in most countries the leaders or those that manipulate a countries leadership, seldom have the best interest of their country's people, just looking at England's own history, can attest to that and the U.S. is no exception.
c'mon: the man can barely TALK.
in his native TONGUE.
says a whole lot.
if you forgive pun.
They have also governed by selling the American public a campaign of fear and I am sorry that you bought into it. "My country, right or wrong" doesn't cut it my friend!
Allan W Janssen
thank god i am not an American.
I have, and still do, support the war in Afganistan.
I did not, and still do not, support the pre-emptive strike against Iraq.
There has never been any evidence that supports Iraq supporting terrorists.
We divertered the energy needed to fight terrorism to a war that should never been waged.
And yes, I can put the blame of 9/11 on George Bush, it happened on his watch.
He chose to ignore many warnings that a major terrorist strike was about to happen on U.S. soil.
And where is Osama bin Laden, Donald?
Bush does not even care to capture him anymore.
This is supposed to make me feel safe? I think not!
Attacking Iraq without cause is fuelling the terrorist fires.
Osama bin Laden serves as a "Hero" to rally new Al-Qaida recruits.
Sorry Donald, I do NOT have to support my President when he has done everything wrong.
And sorry again Donald, but I do not have to support my President when I think he is a criminal!
JP
Liberals support Muslims, but not Radical Islam Fundamentalists. Islamic Muslims do not support the radical group anymore then we do.
JP
What makes you think we are first to reach out to others? Do you know that for a fact? Please tell me you aren't one of those people who counts our retribution as charity, regardless of whether we are first, second, or twentieth. I apologize if you are not, but am weary of those who do. I promise, six weeks after we finally get out of Iraq, that bunch will be whining about how we are sending "all kinds of charity" to those people.
Notwithstanding that, Iraq showed all the signs of being unwinable in the long run and you should have just tried to ignore them as much as posssible but that was not an option for the right wing who have to be pulling the strings behind the scenes wherever possible.
The arrogance and hubris these son-of-a-bitches have displayed is truly mind bogling.
They champion democracy and freedom but in practise are no better than the communists were in Russia and it all started with the election in 2000.
There is no rule of law or ideal that is safe as long as they are in power.
I'm calling for the peaceful overthrow of the U.S. government and that is done through elections.
How I wish there was no oil in the Middle-East because then we could just put a fence around it (like the Israelies are doing) and let them slaughter each other.
The only thing that is going to solve the problems over there is time and another Martin Luther.
As for the oil..... guess what bunky, Canada has more oil than anyone except Saudi Arabia and we have all the water too so guess who is next on the invasion list!!!!!
Not true. Just babble buddy.
"I believe that it is the patriotic duty of Americans to support the president that they elected (regardless of who you voted for, it was "us" who elected the president just by participating in the elective process)."
Sounds like an argument for Nazis to support Hitler too, doesn't it? So, by participating you must support the appointed (Ooops, you said elected) President . . . and by NOT participating you should support the POTUS because you had a chance to vote, skipped it, so can't bitch, right? Brilliant. George "War Crimes" Bush could shoot down a three yr. old on the White House lawn . . . and STILL have your support? I assume you showed unswerving support for Clinton too, then.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Liberals support Muslims, but not Radical Islam Fundamentalists. Islamic Muslims do not support the radical group anymore then we do."
Jerry, nowhere in my post did I say that all muslims supported those who conduct terrorism in the name of Islam so please don't put words in my mouth."
Maybe a statement or disclaimer in your comments might clear that up, it sure wasn't obvious from your words.
"My point was that radical islam is at war with the rest of the world. Radical Islam to make the entire planet into what their warped view of what the world should be."
And your point is? Nut cases have been around for hundreds of years, they weren't all Muslim extremists, maybe you've heard of a few Christian ones, like maybe John Brown, or more recently Coresh or Jones?
"The other point is that the American left doesn't acknolwedge this. The American left would rather blame arrogant American foreign policy. Was it American foreign policy that caused all of the things I listed in my previous post Jerry?"
Perhaps you don't get it, but terrorists are just that, not an army intent on invasion. When they build liberty ships, and start massing troops, then we should react as you conservatives want, invading their homelands, etc., in the meantime, Republicans have used the fear to get a long line of despicable candidates elected that have brought our own country to it's knees. Perhaps we should get a little more excited about the corporate terrorists that actually have conquered our way of life, and managed to kill a lot more than three thousand of our people, just on the insurance front alone.
"Are you a big fan of Michael Moore Jerry? Do you beleive that "there is no terrorist threat? Maybe you think George Bush had a hand in planning 911?"
No, but he has pointed out a lot of conservative lies that needed spotlighting. Give the devil his due, Bill. Oh, that's what you hate about him, sorry.
"Is it fear mongering or common sense to acknowledge radical Islam and come up with a plan to combat it?"
The problem is with Republicans, it has been both. The misuse of this issue to scare people into voting their way, belies how serious they think it is - not. When a group plays politics with a serious subject, it ruins their message.
"Do you believe European nations should forsake their own native law and culture so that muslim immigrants may live under sharia?"
Of course not, that's just crazy, I see that. Freedom of religion is fine, till you break the law of the land, and then it's unacceptable, and I believe according to numerous press stories, that's how it is being handled here. Just common sense. Can't speak for the europeans.
"Is it OK for radical islamic fundamentalists to live in European nations and preach nothing but hate and espouse violence toward not only the nation they're doing it in and all of it's natives but toward the entire western world?"
Hey, we have Christian factions right here working toward usurping government, infiltrating, changing our historic heritage, etc. They care not a fig for our government, or freedom of religion any more than radical Muslims, and we allow that. It's called free speech. Want to muzzle them? Who's next? Shall we shut up white extremists, nazis, give me a break. Eventually that path leads to fascism.
"Is Rosie O'donnel correct when she says radical christianity poses just as great a threat as radical islam to the world today? Have there been radical christian sects threatening to kill people over jesus cartoons or the naming of a teddy bear Jesus?"
Yes, and no. They tend to kill people over things like abortion clinics, that sort of thing. Still, there are many that would kill for Christianity. Just as dangerous though, and just as deadly, I imagine, from the point of view of those struck down. There are many more that think they are right, are you one?
"If no one other than George Bush is to blame for 911 then who gets credit for no attacks in this nation since then?"
The FBI, Homeland security (which was shoved down Bush's throat, you might remember), and the other thousands and thousands of law enforcement forces, that once alerted, have done a great job of being vigilant in our behalf. As far as I know, contrary to BA claims to the contrary, that have been disputed by the very orgs that brought them down, no actionable intelligence in this country was the result of torture, Bush's one questionable contribution to the mix.
"If it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that torture of known terrorists would produce info that saved the lives of American civilians would you still oppose i?"
You don't have that proof, no one does. If you accepted BA tripe, you need to research it further.
"Do you honestly think that if America publicly claims that we will not use torture this will somehow cause the radical muslims our troops are fighting to treat our troops more humanely?"
Of course not, but what it will do is elevate our profile in the world, and garner support from people that now oppose us on these issues, and we need their help, whether you recognize that or not.
"Do you think there's nothing wrong with college professors in the US condemning everything about this nation and publicly sympathizing with islamic terorist groups?"
Once again, free speech, protected under the constitution, which I hold sacred, unlike the BA, but of course, I am confident our intelligence agencies know about, and have an eye on, those that do. Classically, throughout our history they always have, and now, post 9/11 I'm even more confident of that.
"I voted for Bush but I have enough objectivity and honesty in me to admit that he has completely fucked up in Iraq.
I can admit that George Bush and the GOP congress's governemt spending has hurt us badly.
Do you have it in you to be objective and honest, put down your leftist talking points and answer some of the questions I've asked or are you just another Clark Kent Jerry?"
Whoa, I may have the big one here. Naw, you'd love that too much. Hey, that isn't much of a soul baring, since you have no choice, logically, to claim anything else, these days, but it did my heart good to hear that from you, lol.
That would be liberals, of late.
"As far as the President is concerned I cannot help but feel there is a POSSIBILITY that he either knows something that the rest of us do not, or he is being guided by the hand of God. Time will tell."
Time has already told, moron. The only guiding hand the BA has is the corporate shadow government that has guided his every move. Well, Cheney, but he's part of that. With that guidance he has raped our country, and brought it to it's knees, economically, and militarily. Glad he still has moronic fundie support, though.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/worst_congress_ever
As are a number of radical extremist groups, some of them Christian. Are they really that much more dangerous, than say, the idiot that bombed Atlanta? Scaring people to vote against their own interests is the point of this fear mongering. As someone noted, Bush long ago figured out that Usama Bin Laden was much more useful in the wild, than he would be in a cage, and has ceased to even look for him. That's not a coincidence, folks, that's good political strategy, for those that haven't even noticed.
(sorry I just had to throw that one in)
"Correct me if I'm wrong but these guys didn't actually have as their purpose in life the violent overthrow of all western civilization did they? And how does cherry picking christian nutjobs from the past relate to the real threat posed by islamic fundamentalism today?"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you need to get some truthiness. The only group involved in 9/11 was Al Queda, a group that did the deed, after warning long ahead of time that they would fight back against our presence in their holy sandbox. If you think those stirred up masses are going to try to overthrow the western world, once we quit meddling in their affairs, you really are paranoid. If we reacted badly to every group that expressed a hatred of the US, we'd be awfully busy, and our presence there, as noted in EVERY NSE since long before 9/11, is a call to battle for a lot of people that would be more interested in finding enough food for their families, were we not there.
When was the last time a Christian blew, him or herself, up and a crowd of innocent men, woman and children? When was the last time a Christians rioted over some child naming their teddy bear "Jesus" or some idiotic cartoon making fun of Jesus or the Virgin Mary?
If you don't know, I'd suggest you watch Sicko, so you at least know the facts.
"And Are you implying that Democrats and liberals are above fear mongering. Is it not fear mongering when they tell old people that Republicnas want to take their medicare away and leave them penniless in the streets...."
Uh, the medicare prescription program got through congress only because a clamp was put upon the true price of the program. There is a think tank construct called starve the beast that Bush has followed from day one, maybe you should check that out. That program was designed to bankrupt medicare. It's not fear mongering, when it's observable fact.
when they claim repubs don't give a dman at all abotu the environment
Conservatives have run a constant program of questioning Global Warming. Duh!
"and the sun will burn out in 40 years if evil repubs aren't stopped..."
Oh, this is intelligent........
"or how about when libs paint all repubs and conservatives as racists whose first thought upon waking in the morning is ....how can I oppress soem minorities today."
I know no one that does this, includes all, but you must admit your party took on all the former racist democrats that deserted that party when the civil rights movement was going on in the sixties. Good old boy sons and daughters still make up a good part of the Southern end of your party, and a large portion of the rest are the elite, who have had much to do with the oppression of blacks for much of our countries history. Seen any macacas lately?
"The pot and the kettle my firend. Democrats use fear mongering as well. It's politics. Neither side is holier than thou."
Well, not completely, but there is a good argument for an 80/20 split, and Republicans are definitely the 80, besides, there's a real basis for the 20, sorry.
Actually, I believe I saw Robertson call for a crusade after 9/11, am I wrong on that? Falwell is hardly saying anything today, unless you're clairvoyant. Your estimation of their dangerous nature may be due to ignorance of what they have been up to. One faction is trying to turn the military into a Christian army, several are doing everything in their power to promote Armageddon, arguably, a bit worse than Iraq, others are over in Iraq, trying to stir the pot by recruiting in obviously unwise environments, and causing our military leadership complete stress, I might add. Let me get back to you with a few links. Some say Bush is a member of one of those Armageddon sects, by the way, I wouldn't speculate on that one, myself, though he sometimes seems to be. Oh, and McSame's curried reverend has called on Christians to kill all Muslims, if I remember right, as well.....
Well, let's see, no explosives, but I do believe that Branch Davidian took a lot of innocents with him, what was his name?, and that other guy from Jonestown, what was his name? He took out more than a few with poison. As for rioting, no, that's never happened at an abortion clinic, and if you could see the "War against Christmas", with unbiased eyes, you'd have kept your mouth shut on the rest, I'd wager.
Islamic Extremism is real and is hasn't anything to do with religion but has everything to do with evil and those that promote evil by distorting Islam and warping the minds of individuals who need an outlet for their pent up frustrations over their dire circumstances.
Can you say Timothy McVey?
And weren't we all ready to blame Muslim extremists for that too, Juan?
I was having a great day until I saw this. I really wish I had not come back here because I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry over the fact that a person with the intelligence to put words together into a sentence could say something this absurd.
All the wonderful "christians" that blow up abortion clinics and murder doctors are terrorists in my mind and the pos tim mcveigh is number one.
LISTEN TO THIS EVERYONE!
I don't know how true it is, but I have heard stories about how the Religious Right and certain parts of the Republican Party are not only waiting for Armagedon, but are actually wlecoming it and doing their best to help it along!
I just thought I would pass this along so that you can sleep better tonight!
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11541
http://www.scuttlebuttcafe.net/2008/02/marching-to-armageddon.html
That's just a quick google.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/tergps/tgdom.htm
We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.
James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Rondald Reagan. Washington Post, May 24, 1981.
The next step, if at all humanly possible (and in 90% of the cases it is), it is to get our children out of the humanistic, brianwashing institution called `public education.' Frankly, it is a mixture of insanity and irresponsibility to turn our children over to our adversaries and their curriculum in a God-less education system (i.e., a system that teaches history and science without God).
Why Does a Nice Guy Like Me Keep Getting Thrown in Jail? (1993)
Randall Terry:
America is under the judgment of God. And if we are ever going to rebuild this country, it must be under God's law. Our goal must be simple: We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the Ten Commandments. No apologies.
Speech to "Cities of Refuge" campaign, Willoughby Hills, Ohio, July, 1993.
Randall Terry:
When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed.
Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue. Speech before the U.S. Taxpayers Alliance on doctors who perform abortions. August 8, 1995
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.
The News Sentinel, (Fort Wayne, Indiana), August 16, 1993.
So let us be blunt about it: We must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will be get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God.
"The Intellectual Schizophrenia of the New Christian Right" in Christianity and Civilization: The Failure of the American Baptist Culture, No. 1 (Spring, 1982), p. 25.
This is our land. This is our world. This is our heritage, and with God's help, we shall reclaim this nation for Jesus Christ. And no power on earth can stop us.
Character & Destiny: A Nation in Search of Its Soul (1994)
If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth.
"Moral Majority Report," September, 1984.
The long term goal [is] the execution of abortionists and parents who hire them. If we argue that abortion is murder, then we must call for the death penalty.
Ruler of the Nations (1987)
David Chilton:
The god of Judaism is the devil. The Jew will not be recognized by God as one of His chosen people until he abandons his demonic religion and returns to the faith of his fathers - the faith which embraces Jesus Christ and His Gospel.
The Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation (1984)
Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.
Speech to the Christian Coalition, September 1993
Although the far territory of the extreme can exert an intoxicating pull on susceptible individuals of all bents, extremism seems to be especially prevalent among those inclined by temperament or upbringing toward religious pursuits. Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. And when religious fanaticism supplants ratiocination, all bets are suddenly off. Anything can happen. Absolutely anything. Common sense is no match for the voice of God.
Under the Banner of Heaven (2003)
http://www.pawcreek.org/articles/endtimes/DominionTheologyandJoelsArmy.htm
This examines the underpinnings, not the manifestation of it, but the group is real.
By the way folks, I was ten years old before I realized my name was not: "Jesus Christ Allan!"
This quote reminds me of another saying, heard recently.
("America's chickens, have come home, to roost".)
Thomas, was this what you were implying?
the country would only lose their leader then the people who voted for BUSH might think twice before they vote someone that can not handle it...in office.
Hey why don't we just murder, maim, and wipe out the whole rest of the world, who is a threat! If so we under the dire conditions painted today, we have to wipe out all, ourselves included.
Why do we not speak and work for the whole of humanity! One's here not ever to admit our wrongs, but quick to destroy another, always speaking pure hatred about others, and then wander why we have lost all crediblity around the globe...how ironic!