Thought~Byte No. 50

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very true 

As many of you know, on 9/13/07, Phil Frank, the cartoonist who drew these Thought~Byte pictures, passed on. He will be missed by all who knew him and enjoyed his 30 plus years of cartoon strips such as Farley and The Elderberries.

A new web page by the San Francisco Chronicle celebrates Phil's birthdate: Phil Frank Articles and Cartoon at  http://www.sfgate.com/philfrank 

Thanks, Desiree.

Agreed, I may give up on the conversation but usually on the idea.

Giving up doesn't mean you quit the fight it just means nothing can be further gained from your efforts.

Some people I know call that declining to play that game, JoAnne.

Definitely one aspect of this Byte, Linda. Thanks for that phrasing.

If they don't want to GO -  Cant force them

thankd for sharing 

Giving up means relaxing, giving in means compromising yourself

Sometimes maturity means knowing when to quit.  For example, arguing with a drunk is a lost cause.  We can walk away from a fruitless battle without giving up on the cause.

That is so true,  they never seem to quit, even if they are making sense.

I pick and choose my battles, most of the time I choose not to.

Cute :)

"If they don't want to GO -  Can't force them"

Agreed, Paul and I'm missing the connection to the Byte (caffeine hasn't kicked in yet either)

I find this is true also, Disciple.

You're welcome, Steph.

"Giving up means relaxing, giving in means compromising yourself"

Well phrased Ellen.

Definitely one important aspect to this Byte. Thanks.

"Sometimes maturity means knowing when to quit."

Another facet of this Byte, Jan. Thanks for the clear example.

"I pick and choose my battles"

Something we often forget, Tammy. We can choose not to fight.

Thanks, Sandi.

and "cute" is only one aspect of this Byte  :)

true, but at times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.

Not the same but there is such a fine line btween the two

"at times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid."

I might need some help with that, Atlantis.

Do you mean battling a good adversary is exiting?

What I actually meant is that sometimes we refuse to give up or give in simply out of spite ( it could just be me though)

Gotcha. Thanks.

Jerri, some would say they are entirely different actions/mental states.

Oh so true

i haven't say uncle yet!lol!

Rachel, Bytes are always true for some of the people some of the time.  :)

Stay in there, Blaine!

John, I did not know about Phil Frank.  What a wonderful and thoughtfilled gift he left to us.  I think there are times when "giving up" and "giving in" have place and sometimes, sometimes, it clarifies the response to reframe it.  I think we do reframe many experiences to soften their impact or to comfort ourselves.  Recently, I "gave up" a job.  I did not "give in" to the unrealistic expectations that were inherent in that job. I guess you could even say that I "gave it back".  See how reframing helps.

Sometimes you just have to give up, when you are fighting a losing battle.

Interesting...

Reframing is an important skills, Karen.

Thanks for brining it up.

Giving up is often a rational choice, Donald.

Giving in rarely is.

Thanks, Sheila.

Giving up is permanent. Giving in is temporary so you can "back up and regroup". Lose the battle, win the war. (Or so they say, whoever "they" are)

I don't know what you mean. So, I'm giving up.
But, not giving into temptation to giggle again.

Te he!

Another way to look at this. Different for me.

Thanks, Lydia.

Now, Angela, there you go again.

I think I just did that!

Giving up not in that is!

A particle of submission is in the latter one.

Beach of passionate storms

It took me a while before I could recognize when it's best to cut my loses in life. 

How did it feel, Georgiana? Giving up can be done as a sensible  decision or used to whip ourselves.

"A particle of submission is in the latter one."

I'd say more than a particle, Poddar and a key aspect to this Byte. Surrender can be a negative

and yet,

it is the door to enlightenment

Losses that are cut can be considered learnings, K D.

Oh absolutely!  I could write a book on my "Cut My Losses" education! 

Giving in is what has to be forced on me.  Giving Up?  Well, I've commented enough on my stubborn pride.

Very funny!  I commented above on what a long and hard road it had been to learn how to cut losses in my life.

Pride had been part of the problem and also my desire never to accept defeat. 

Not sure which is worse.

"Giving up" is a tricky phrase being that it is often used in the sense of "giving in."

For example, giving up cigarettes is quit different than giving in to addiction.

Both have poisitive and negatoves sides to them depending on the attitude and context, Vivian.

That's one reason, for me, that this is an intriguing Byte to ponder.

Boy! There's no controversy here! Everybody agrees.  When I give in, I generally win, if not at the moment, at least, in the long run. I do it all the time with my bride. When I give up (that happened when I finally could not fix my mower any more) it costs me and often someone else. The John Deere dealer did OK though.

Rest easy

Been there, done that with the Deere. :)

As to the other, data would indicate that you just think you won. It's a basic Sisterhood skill.

Yup! But when she wins, I win. She is the princess of the sisterhood skill. I think she taught the course.

Rest easy

Note To self. I have to finish the revision of Brotherhood~NOT! book and send Bill the first copy.

true

Thanks, Chas.