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by John Philipp
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August 10, 2006

Thought~Byte No. 89

April 15, 2008 11:51 PM EDT (Updated: May 25, 2008 07:22 PM EDT)
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Thought~Byte No. 89


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Concept and words by John Philipp. Drawings by Phil Frank.
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Comments: 138

John Philipp Apr 15, 2008, 11:52pm EDT
As many of you know, on 9/13/07, Phil Frank, the cartoonist who drew these Thought~Byte pictures, passed on. He will be missed by all who knew him and enjoyed his 30 plus years of cartoon strips such as Farley and The Elderberries.

For those who haven't read these:
An article I wrote saying Goodbye to Phil
A Life I'd Jump at

And the final The San Francisco Chronicle article (Tuesday 1/1/08) about their long time cartoonist.
Bidding final farewell to cartoonist Phil Frank
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t b. Apr 15, 2008, 11:56pm EDT
Sad news and the byte is a sad view as well.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:02am EDT
You are right on both counts, Terry. Like life, not all Thought~Bytes are happy ones, but important to understand nonetheless.

Take car.
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R o b i n ♥ Apr 16, 2008, 12:03am EDT
Indeed - "Love is Letting go of the bird"
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R o b i n ♥ Apr 16, 2008, 12:04am EDT
These are really deep actually John...
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Stefania H. Apr 16, 2008, 12:05am EDT
Sounds familiar...LOL
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Pat M. Apr 16, 2008, 12:07am EDT
More often than not, that line is blurred. You may not notice it until it is already crossed.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:12am EDT
They give one pause, Robin, and that is the objective: focussed reflection.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:12am EDT
Often too familiar, Stefani.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:13am EDT
The song captures it, Judi, as does your paraphrase. Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:14am EDT
Sometimes, Pat, the sad thing is that you don't even notice it after it is crossed.

Then it's "No growth for you, young man/woman."
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Jean, just the teensiest bit odd, F. Apr 16, 2008, 12:15am EDT
I've discovered that, in my life, "I love you" sometimes means:

"Can I go on the Redwood Run with my two buddies for the weekend?"
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:17am EDT
Wait a minute, Jean. That's one of our best lines. :)
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Jean, just the teensiest bit odd, F. Apr 16, 2008, 12:19am EDT
Oh... And it's a "line", alright, John... fer SHER... lol...
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Kim J. Apr 16, 2008, 12:22am EDT
The only ones that tell me "I love you" and mean it, unconditionally are my dogs....and sometimes even they are looking for puppy treats!
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Rose S. Apr 16, 2008, 12:27am EDT
Enjoyable article and conversation.
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Jan S. Apr 16, 2008, 12:29am EDT
We all need love. No need to be ashamed of it.
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Wanda H. Apr 16, 2008, 12:37am EDT
Yes, I have heard that between my own words from time to time.
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Jay M. Apr 16, 2008, 12:43am EDT
I very much enjoyed reading your artical. It is a wonderful Tribute to a great man.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:48am EDT
Thank you, Jay. He was quite a guy.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:48am EDT
Funny and true, Phyllis. Of course, that doesn't mean he doesn't love you as well.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:48am EDT
OK, Jean. I had to try. For the BrotherHood, you know.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:48am EDT
I suspect they're not always looking for treats, Kim.

Pets and children, often pretty unconditional in their love.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:48am EDT
Thanks, Rose. The comment thread is the best part of Thought~Bytes for me.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:49am EDT
Agreed, Jan. It's the neurotic need aspect that needs to be addressed.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:49am EDT
Wanda, then you are aware. that's good.
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Vivian A. Apr 16, 2008, 1:02am EDT
Okay this should have an "R" for the scary nature of the subject. Closing my eyes and pretending I didn't see it. *Soft, pink, fluffy thoughts

Runaway! Run! Run for your lives!
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Robert - just a simple man - B. Apr 16, 2008, 1:23am EDT
You know my broken heart and I aren't going to comment on thiss one. Goodnight.
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Patricia J. Apr 16, 2008, 5:06am EDT
I know my dog and my granddaughter love me unconditionally.
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Barney JP Not Smarter than an 5th Grader Shel Is Pres of Gather Apr 16, 2008, 5:15am EDT
Sometimes it is good to be needed, but not when that need is the basis for the relationship.
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DIANE D. Apr 16, 2008, 5:25am EDT
cute
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sheila ~the hapless housewife~ j. Apr 16, 2008, 5:46am EDT
There's always a little bit of need when you love someone; it's when the need outweighs the love that you can have a problem.
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Danielle P. Apr 16, 2008, 6:26am EDT
It is sad news but cute cartoons.
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Larry M. Apr 16, 2008, 6:51am EDT
Or "I love owning you" or "I love you the way I love my car or my house" or "I love having you serve me." It's only real love when the object of love is as important to the lover as the lover is to himself.
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Bert Van Essen Apr 16, 2008, 7:00am EDT
I believe a marriage can survive when based by both parties on need. But it has to be an empty, fractious, , and uncaring relationship dedicated to self. I can just "see" both parties mad because they are not getting what they need because they struggle to get their own needs met. All this to say great message.
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LaRue B. Apr 16, 2008, 7:30am EDT
I imagine many wifes feel this way. Sometimes a husband can be as clingy as a small child.
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LaRue B. Apr 16, 2008, 7:30am EDT
My one daughter has 5 kids, but tells that she has 6.
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June B. Apr 16, 2008, 8:22am EDT
Hmmmm, dependency comes to mind. Not a good thing. Maybe that's why I chose to stay single all these years. The men I dated clung to me like celophane leaving me with no room to breathe. I suppose I was sending the wrong message or the message I sent was misunderstood. I enjoy affection but hate being smothered.
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Kristina B. Apr 16, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Hey John in my life it's the other way around... I'm clingy but honest! I was hoping for a funny this morning and got introspection the universe must be trying to tell me something...
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:39am EDT
Kristina, while all of the Thought~Bytes are serious, some are more amusing than others. Usually because you look at it and say, "Whew, that's not me."
You want funny, try out Humor Monday Update
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:40am EDT
Shabana, and this relates to relationships ...how?

Ah, maybe I can phone in my relationship. Cool if that works except I think the "virginmobile" pretty much tells us that it doesn't.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:40am EDT
Phyllis, you have the Mom Game down pat.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:40am EDT
Vivian, this is not intended to refer to the other person. It is intended to refer to you.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:40am EDT
Sleep well, Robert.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:40am EDT
Thanks, Shannon.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:40am EDT
Pets and children. True barometers, Patricia.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:41am EDT
I assume by cute you mean the drawing, Diane. Or is it me? :)
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Deborah O. Apr 16, 2008, 8:41am EDT
cute cartoon,
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:41am EDT
OK, Sheila, that's another way to look at this.

Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:41am EDT
Thanks, Deborah.
(Hmm, two "cutes" so far)
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:42am EDT
Danielle, I don't know if it's sad or part of human nature.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:42am EDT
Yet another twist on this. Thanks, Larry.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:42am EDT
Good point, we see those relationships all the time, Bert. People who spend their lives arguing with each other because they're afraid not to.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:42am EDT
LaRue, clingy is an indicator.

Why does your daughter have an extra imaginary child?
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:43am EDT
Smothering can also be an indicator, June, though you may need to look at the smotheree as well as the smotheror.
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C A. Apr 16, 2008, 8:44am EDT
Smotheror, John? LOL!
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:55am EDT
I do my best, Chandra.
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June B. Apr 16, 2008, 9:18am EDT
Your right John. I'm no longer an employee of smotheree. I fired myself years ago.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 10:01am EDT
Good for you, June.

Always tough to let someone go, even it it's yourself.
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Sophiya S. Apr 16, 2008, 10:07am EDT
very true
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Apr 16, 2008, 10:24am EDT
Cat got my tongue?

Gosh, I don't know what to say on this one.

Loving and needing are two totally different things.

How in the world might anyone confuse the two?

I NEED to eat, sleep, and consume a certain amount of water each day.

Mike and Mark -- the 2 loves of my life -- I didn't NEED them every single day.

No, it isn't the same thing, this "I love you means I need you." We've gone on with our lives, although we still love each other, it doesn't necessitate a particular "need", more so mutual admiration, and respect.
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Apr 16, 2008, 10:26am EDT
Sorry, I got too into this one.

Holler out one more time to Phil Frank!


Yaaay to you, Phil. You'll be missed.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 10:32am EDT
Thanks, Sigriet.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 10:33am EDT
Natalia, think about need in this sense as a neurotic need.
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Doug M. Apr 16, 2008, 11:22am EDT
John,

Your thought byte is true on more than one level as others have attested. Thank you for another provocative cartoon.

I am sorry for your loss.
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Jerri H. Apr 16, 2008, 11:25am EDT
Yikes.....kinda scary for me...I had a BF that would NOT go AWAY....2 jail stays and 4 years later I think he got the hint
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 11:32am EDT
A good way to phrase it, Sadie. Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 11:32am EDT
Doug, the beauty of this topics is the various levels. People connect with the one that's meaningful for them at the time.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 11:33am EDT
Sorry you had to go through that, Jerri. Glad it's apparently over.
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Sarah (I want points) Apr 16, 2008, 11:42am EDT
I like this one. It's very true.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Apr 16, 2008, 11:57am EDT
Yes, I have often tried to have deep, psychological discussions with my husband on the difference between wanting and needing utilizing the Freudian method...then we get out the creme pies and play target practice with each other in the kitchen--gets messy, but fun.
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Kay & Snowy Cat Apr 16, 2008, 11:59am EDT
By the way, we try not to take things too seriously, we find life always finds a way of laughing at you (or is it with you?).
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:00pm EDT
Thanks, Sarah.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:01pm EDT
Good for you, Kay. I'm a big fan of creme pie psychology.

As for the laughing, I think it's both.
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Anita R. Apr 16, 2008, 12:06pm EDT
John, I think I'll start each day seeing what you've written lately. This cartoon touches home with me, and although I'm not familiar with the cartoonist, I appreciate the message here. Thank you so much for sharing these thought bytes.
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Beaker (just Beaker) Apr 16, 2008, 12:08pm EDT
Oh, John, lol--Virginmobile? By the makers of the Popemobile, I suppose.

It might depend on the weight of the needy one (it's nice to be needed sometimes, but a little goes a long way), and also how tight he is squeezing....
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:12pm EDT
You're welcome, Anita.

I publish a couple of Humor Articles every Monday on Gather Essentials: Writing for Humor Monday for which I am the member editor.

There are two new Thought~Bytes every Wednesday. But, there are a total of 89 so far. That should keep you busy for a while. (Up through #71, they were published as images, so search "Images" for "thoughtbytes" or the images on my namespace and they should all pop up.)
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:14pm EDT
I didn't pick up on the tightness, Jane. Good call.

The virginmobile is the third spammer I've run across today. Must be the moon.

Wait, wouldn't "Spammer Moon" be a good title for something?
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Donna Hammett-Tooker Apr 16, 2008, 12:18pm EDT
I know the power of love and the power of need is a self-consuming one. Love is positive energy and need is more negative as in symbiotic. I love my husband but I need the things that come with that statement that are dependent upon me. I need to be strong, giving, open, truthful, honest, real and true because of my make-up - he does not require any of that but I do and it affects him in that he has to go through the growing process with me but I need him to give me the time and support to be those things. because he loves me, he feels the need to respond to me in much the same way but these needs are unspoken between us. he was married twice before to women who were sometimes on different planes from him and left him out of their growwth and change. I need to have him go through it with me so we are on the same plane without losing touch with each other. I love him but I need his love to complete myself and ourself as a couple as I hope he does. Less negative and easily offset with love and trust.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 1:15pm EDT
Donna, you've given this a lot of thinking. Thanks for sharing this with us.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 1:17pm EDT
I believe we're using a different definition of need. It is a confusing word but sometimes the process of sorting out that confusion leads to a better understanding than if you just had a better term.

(At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it).
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Judith Beckman Apr 16, 2008, 1:26pm EDT
You're so right! This is a picture of a one-sided relationship--all take and no give.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 1:31pm EDT
Good way to put it, Judith. Another context: give and take. Thanks.
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Sheila Deeth Apr 16, 2008, 1:31pm EDT
Too true
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Fern Cohen Apr 16, 2008, 1:43pm EDT
Interesting how this coincides with my reading of Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth"......he talks about love and how we can't really be present in a relationship whe we "need" our lover, because need is a response to an emptiness that we need to fill..interesting stuff!
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Mike Ellwood Apr 16, 2008, 2:06pm EDT
Yes, indeed. It often means: I've told you I love you, now reassure me that someone loves me.
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Nancy 67 Apr 16, 2008, 2:09pm EDT
Yer makin' me go all introspective here, John! I do wonder for myself, how often I mean "I need you" when I say "I love you" to my hubby or anyone else, for that matter. One has to refer to I Corinthians 13:4-8 to know what Godly love really is, and how we are to truly love one another. Can't do it without God, that's for sure, which is the whole point!
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Jo C. Apr 16, 2008, 2:33pm EDT
Why does this one remind me of a certain Rolling Stones cover featuring John Lennon and Yoko Ono, only in that one John seemed to have no clothing on?
:)
I must be showing my nostalgic factor....and age.

P.S. I tried to send you Gather mail. Hope you got it.
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Larry H. Apr 16, 2008, 2:54pm EDT
thanks for sharing
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Stefania H. Apr 16, 2008, 4:18pm EDT
This sketch is really good...it hits home.
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Georgiana S. Apr 16, 2008, 4:20pm EDT
I run from people who are too needy!
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
When you don't, Georgiana, it's usually that your own neediness has found a playmate.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
Maybe, Sheila. True often, at least.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
Fern, an excellent way to state this. Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
Hmmm, Mike, reciprosity (spelling?)— another element in this puzzle. Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
Nancy, going introspective is the whole point with these. Then you take away what you take away.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
I can't help you there, Jane :)
I'm sure the mail arrived. Haven't checked in a while.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:07pm EDT
You're welcome, Larry.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 5:08pm EDT
That's it's purpose, Jenn.
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