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by John Philipp
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Thought~Byte No. 88

April 15, 2008 11:51 PM EDT (Updated: May 25, 2008 07:22 PM EDT)
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Thought~Byte No. 88


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Comments: 168

John Philipp Apr 15, 2008, 11:51pm EDT
As many of you know, on 9/13/07, Phil Frank, the cartoonist who drew these Thought~Byte pictures, passed on. He will be missed by all who knew him and enjoyed his 30 plus years of cartoon strips such as Farley and The Elderberries.

For those who haven't read these:
An article I wrote saying Goodbye to Phil
A Life I'd Jump at

And the final The San Francisco Chronicle article (Tuesday 1/1/08) about their long time cartoonist.
Bidding final farewell to cartoonist Phil Frank
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Jared G. Apr 15, 2008, 11:55pm EDT
good.
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Marianne M. Apr 15, 2008, 11:58pm EDT
Wonderful John ... so very true!
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:00am EDT
Thanks, Jared.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:00am EDT
Thanks, Marianne. And, I think, very important to understand.
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R o b i n ♥ Apr 16, 2008, 12:02am EDT
LOL I say Assume Reality...
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Pat M. Apr 16, 2008, 12:03am EDT
There is a psychological basis for the biblical concept of the sins of the father being visited on the son. This is it.
And, I'm sure Phil would appreciate the sentiment of his mates. Good on you John.
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Stefania H. Apr 16, 2008, 12:04am EDT
Good one, Phil.
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blaine d. Apr 16, 2008, 12:07am EDT
good one, so true!
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:08am EDT
OK, Robin, I will.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:09am EDT
Judi. I couldn't agree with you more.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:09am EDT
He was well loved everywhere, Pat.

That's a good way to look at this.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:10am EDT
Thanks, Stefani.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:10am EDT
Fortunately, or unfortunately, it is, Blaine.
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Jean, just the teensiest bit odd, F. Apr 16, 2008, 12:11am EDT
Great illustration by your late friend, Mr. Frank, John...
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:16am EDT
It was a clever one, Jean.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:16am EDT
God forbid, Phyllis. :)
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Rose S. Apr 16, 2008, 12:25am EDT
Yeah, sorta sobering thought! Praying I'm a good role model for my little ones!
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Susan Roberts Apr 16, 2008, 12:25am EDT
That can sure make a person stop and think about what they do in front of their children. Children do what they see done. GOD BLESS
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Jan S. Apr 16, 2008, 12:27am EDT
This is so true, and as parents we owe it to them to let them become exactly who they are and want to be. Quite often my mom marvels over my daughter saying "She is truly her own person." It's true because we encouraged her to pursue her own interests rather than ours. I wish my mom had done the same.
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Wanda H. Apr 16, 2008, 12:36am EDT
Very true
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:43am EDT
Thanks, Wanda.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:43am EDT
I'm sure you are, Rose, because you know it's important.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:43am EDT
"Children do what they see done." Good way to capture it, Susan. Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:43am EDT
Encouragement is another key aspect to this, Jan. Good point.
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Lawrence U. Apr 16, 2008, 12:44am EDT
Well said, John! Thanks for the thought.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:51am EDT
You are welcome, Lawrence.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:52am EDT
Hi, Marsha. Thanks.
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Vivian A. Apr 16, 2008, 1:00am EDT
John I think of it more as a pool of water, retaining an aspect of the learned, yet sometimes distorted. It would probably be better for many children if they could reflect the image away when released from the source.

That's what I like about you John, you're an optimist ;)
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Member Photog Apr 16, 2008, 1:08am EDT
"children are like mirrors......"

until they come to that stage in development when they will say the "opposite" of what they hear their parents say....! ;>

i always compare young children to sponges absorbing all from their environs...and i do believe as we grow into young adulthood and perhaps even later for some, that we are greatly influenced by those we hang with....

good one and thx for the head's up mail...

cheers,gayle
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Robert - just a simple man - B. Apr 16, 2008, 1:22am EDT
That is why we must be careful around the little ones.

Proverbs 22:6



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Crap John, you're keeping me up. In five hours I have to drive to Houston.
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Zara Stevens Apr 16, 2008, 1:44am EDT
Very true!
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Jo C. Apr 16, 2008, 3:07am EDT
That is so true! I assume my son can build the Eiffel Tower out of Lego and that I am only his helpful apprentice. Working out pretty well so far, although we did lose one level, briefly, earlier in the day.
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Jo C. Apr 16, 2008, 3:08am EDT
Oops, make that Legos. Actually, Lego IS the plural form but no one in America knows that.
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Yvonne R. Apr 16, 2008, 3:16am EDT
This is not just for parents. I'm around children and I'm not a parent. I have to be careful, too. Those cute little sponges or wierd looking mirors! (:o)
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Patricia J. Apr 16, 2008, 4:59am EDT
I'm thinking of my great grandson right now just taking in everything his mom and dad do or say. He loves them so much.
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Barney JP Not Smarter than an 5th Grader Shel Is Pres of Gather Apr 16, 2008, 5:14am EDT
Someone once told me that children are the sum of their parent's fears.
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DIANE D. Apr 16, 2008, 5:23am EDT
This is so true
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sheila ~the hapless housewife~ j. Apr 16, 2008, 5:45am EDT
Very true! I think of that every time I see my daughter imitate me.
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Danielle P. Apr 16, 2008, 6:25am EDT
so true.
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Larry M. Apr 16, 2008, 6:49am EDT
Not as much as I would have liked. :-(
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Bert Van Essen Apr 16, 2008, 7:06am EDT
You must have an empty hole in your life because of Phil Frank. The cartoon brings forth a big frustration of parents dropping off their children for Sunday school then picking them up an hour later to go home. Then they say, "Why isn't the church growing?" Or "why do our youth quit after graduating from Sunday School?"
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Stirling D. Apr 16, 2008, 7:09am EDT
The best thing we can ever do for our children is set an example. I realized that when my son was very young and it suddenly struck me that controlling him was not the goal. The goal was empowering him to release his potential. I wasn't a very good role model but he seems to have turned out okay in spite of me!
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LaRue B. Apr 16, 2008, 7:26am EDT
Children are a reflection of the parents. That is why parents need to watch what they say and do around children. My 19 year old is having to learn this now with a 5 1/2 month old.
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June B. Apr 16, 2008, 8:00am EDT
This is so true John. My oldest daughter is a veterinarian and the youngest is a self employed interior decorator and both are work-a-holics, just like their mother. It saddens me but they are sweet, sensitive and loving. I just wish they would take more time for themselves. That's why I put them through college, so they wouldn't have to work themselves into an early grave. Dang, I messed up!
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Kristina B. Apr 16, 2008, 8:21am EDT
I am your child
Wherever you go, you take me too
Whatever I know, I learned from you
Whatever I am, you taught me to be
I am your child

Hi John, you ever hear Barry Manilow sing that song? He did a guest appearance on Murphy Brown in 199? where he sang it. It's a bit humbling... your reflection cartoon, it's important to remember though.......
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:22am EDT
June, doesn't sound like you messed up to me. Sweet, loving and sensitive is pretty powerful. Whatever else they do is their business.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:23am EDT
Kristina, I don't remember that song and I love the lyrics.

They are right on for this. Thanks.
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penni d. Apr 16, 2008, 8:23am EDT
ohhh, i love that song,Kristina! Hi, John...:)
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:23am EDT
Vivian, I like the pool of water metaphor very much - it contains reflection, absorption and distortion — all of which undoubtedly go on as a child's personality develops.

I am an optimist, I guess. The other day I read there are glass half-full and glass half empty people. Then there are those who say "the glass is too big."
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:23am EDT
Hi, Penni.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:24am EDT
Hi, Gayle.
When children say "the opposite" I believe that's a testing phase.

You are right, recent studies show children's personalities are more influenced by people outside the home, but I would say what they experienced in the home early may well determine who they interact with and how they interact outside the home.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:24am EDT
Definitely, Robert. Now go to bed.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:24am EDT
J R, I think you'll be interested in Phil's story.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:24am EDT
Thanks, Zara.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:24am EDT
Lora, thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:25am EDT
J Corn, there you go. Proof in the pudding.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:25am EDT
Yvonne, very good point. This is not only for parents.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:25am EDT
You're welcome, Shannon.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:25am EDT
A nice thing to have, Patricia.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:25am EDT
"Children are the sum of their parents' fears."

Hmm, Barney. That's intriguing.
Probably true as part of the equation because that's not all they are.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:25am EDT
Thanks, Diane.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Good point, Sheila. Watching how children imitate everything should be all the convincing one needs.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Saara, I will try later on. Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Thanks, Danielle.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Not sure I'm understanding your comment, Larry.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Bert, religion for the children but not the parents is an excellent example. Thanks.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Stirling, it is amazing how well children do inspite of us, though I think you are underestimating your influence from what you said.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:27am EDT
So true, LaRue.
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C A. Apr 16, 2008, 8:27am EDT
Wise words, John.
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Geoff Geauterre Apr 16, 2008, 8:52am EDT
You get your point across.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:54am EDT
Thanks, Chandra.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 8:55am EDT
Let's just call it "brain fodder," Geoff.
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Christine P. Apr 16, 2008, 9:05am EDT
So very true!
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Kay & Snowy Cat Apr 16, 2008, 9:47am EDT
I don't have children, however, my cat has adopted some of my tendencies, so it must be true--the little diva!
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 9:59am EDT
Thanks, Christine.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 10:00am EDT
There's a difference, Kay.

Children have no choice: the imitate what you model.
Cats do it on purpose.
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Sophiya S. Apr 16, 2008, 10:07am EDT
so true
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Apr 16, 2008, 10:10am EDT
So true, John. That's why whenever one of mine falls -- and I know they aren't really hurt -- the first thing they'll do is look up into my face to see my reaction.

If I say something like, "Oh that little fall on your heinie was nothing," and I laugh, they'll laugh right along with me.

But, if I look frightened or serious, they see it and they start to cry. Children know, and they respond accordingly.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 10:31am EDT
Thanks, Sigriet.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 10:32am EDT
Good example, Natalia.

Thanks.
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William Dotani Apr 16, 2008, 10:46am EDT
Sorry to hear about Phil Frank. I certainly agree with the message of his cartoon.
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Jerri H. Apr 16, 2008, 11:24am EDT
So true John....we must not forget this :)
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 11:30am EDT
Thanks, William.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 11:30am EDT
Glad you liked it, Sadie.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 11:31am EDT
One of the important lessons for parents, Jerri. The do what you do not what you say (especially when they don't understand what you say).
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Denise E. Apr 16, 2008, 11:54am EDT
:) Nice thought. But they have little personalities and brains of their own and if they think what your doing is wrong, they will go way off of that - even to the opposite. So your children can also be the polar opposite of you or your photo negative.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 11:59am EDT
They can, Denise, and I think a lot of what you model still has power.

Segregation in the South was a good example. When everyone a child looked up to - parents, teachers, town officials - considered Black Americans inferior, is it any wonder the kids accepted that and why it is taking so long to adjust those attitudes?
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Beaker (just Beaker) Apr 16, 2008, 12:00pm EDT
I've had this discussion with others--why do some kids with the same advantages fail to live up to their potential? With my own, I trusted and believed in them, and I hope they always did the same with me.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 12:08pm EDT
Believing in them is key, J.K.

I've been privy to a number of corporate Founder Studies. Walt Disney and Steve Jobs, heads of two of the most innovative American companies, were both autocratical and didn't always exhibit the best of what is considered good motivational behavior.

But Jobs and Disney had something else thing in common: They both believed that their people could accomplish tasks the people thought were impossible. It was the sincere expectations from their boss about what they knew they could accomplish that empowered them to do the "impossible."
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Donna Hammett-Tooker Apr 16, 2008, 12:23pm EDT
Every generation mirrors its predecessor in some way but so often children are walking, talking automatons of their parents with opinions they adopted rather than forming their own. Some people never bother to develop things for themselves and cling to the familial credo long after there is no truth in it. Hopefully there is more opportunity to develop self these days and less chance to cling to their unproved credo.
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Stephanie B. Apr 16, 2008, 12:37pm EDT
So true. And I try my best to act accordingly for my children.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 1:12pm EDT
I think there is, Donna. Good point.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 1:14pm EDT
That's the issue, Dan. When they're young the imitate everything with not "does this make sense" filter working yet.
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Judith Beckman Apr 16, 2008, 1:20pm EDT
Cute!
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 1:30pm EDT
I'm getting a lot of that today.
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John Philipp Apr 16, 2008, 1:30pm EDT
That's all they can ask, Stephanie. Good for you
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Sheila Deeth Apr 16, 2008, 1:30pm EDT
Very wise.
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Mike Ellwood Apr 16, 2008, 1:37pm EDT
Indeed true. They will not necessarily be or do as you say, so much as to become more like you as they grow older. They will internalise the things they admire in their parents and these qualities will gradually become apparent.
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