Why?

Lol! Lionel!

.......and a good question it is. I can understand why, a hundred or more years ago that God was portrayed as gender specific but what I can't comprehend is why, in today's "sophisticated" society, do people insist on referring to any "supernatural" or "spiritual" entity, whether the yin or the yang, as being either male or female. The mind boggles.

-R.

Why Roger ~ I believe that many people are completely confused in today's sophisticated society. GOD is a Spirit. Spirit has the ability to be ALL and in ALL. I believe the Bible even makes that quite clear.

I'm a woman (by physical characteristics, and I'm not at all confused about it). However, I do not believe that God is a woman. Although Lionel has ran across a lot of women (obviously that believe otherwise).

The yin and the yang ~ the light and the dark ~ the evil and the good ~ the positive and the negative . . .

ALL POLAR OPPOSITES ~ somewhat akin to HEAVEN and HELL -- simplistic concepts that allow no room for argument unless one is confused.

LOL ~ Nice talking to you -- going on to read more comments! . . .

There you go, Rene.

I do not say God is female ... If man was made in God's image....We need man and woman to make a baby... So doesn't that make God Both Sexes.????

Satan was a fallen Angel from God and he was a Male Angel so we will never call Satan a female.
which brings up something else...everyone Blames Eve why it was Satan A Man that told her to Sin!!!:D


Lionel funny one!! thanks for the laugh lmao

Many are grateful to Eve, for it was Wisdom in the guise of a serpent who spoke to her. Adam and Eve left a Fool's Paradise. The voice who sent them out of the Garden was a lesser god--not the true God.

God and all other entities were portrayed as male because males were doing the portraying. Yes BadAzz, that is true. But she didn't have to do it, did she?

well like God says obey the man!! :D lol

Ahahahah! You all are not being very nice to one another. L O L.

To Rene, yes mommy.

there a few reasons for viewing the Goddess as first through history.. as for Satan. the only history i have seen is male angel ,, not going to much by the bible since there is so much contradictions in there. I dont even think the bible mentiions Lilith?

bible since there is so much contradictions in there



Where?

The issue of calling Satan 'she' has never crossed my thoughts until today as to what you share in this post. I just do not know.

LIlth isn't a bibical figure. She comes from man's imaginations. Actually it appears in the Talmud and in the bible of ben-Sira. There is no historical proof of Adam ever having a woman named Lilith. She has been called a Mesopotamian storm demon.

Well, there's no proof Adam had Eve, either, for that matter. It's all a part of the same era of folklore.

Oh wow ~ I'm really getting into this discussion!

Lilith is a female spirit in ancient Semitic legend, alleged to haunt deserted places and attack children. Said to be the wife of Adam in Jewish folklore, believe to have been created before Eve.

Well, there's no proof Adam had Eve,


You were not there and God said it was so.

Had? What does that mean? I don't think anyone alive now was there.

Don't you think God is Lionel?

No I don't think God is Lionel. What do you mean?

"I don't think anyone alive now was there."

Don't you think God is alive now, and was there?



(Sorry about the missing comma there . . )

Yes He was there but I haven't had a chance to sit and talk to him about that. And by the way what does Scott mean, "had Eve?" Sexually, gave birth to Eve? What?

I've often heard Satan referred to as SHE.
Are the books of the Talmud not considered Biblical in your part of the world?

Joanne, the Talmud is a Jewish version of the original first five books of the bible. There are many difference in the two versions, same as the Douay, (Catholic) version of bible. I don't care what people believe, I know how I feel and that is all that is important and how I feel is my very personal business.

Um, the Talmud IS the original version, not the other way around. The Jews existed before Christianity.

If it's very personal, why did you post it?

Joanne I didn't. Are you reading things into my posts that aren't there? I was referring to my beliefs as far as my realtionship with God, those are personal, not whether we are made in His image. That isn't religious that is simply conversation. Jeez, some people.

And Julie the Israelites, 12 tribes existed before Christ came to the earth. The bible states that Abraham believed in Christ and His teachings in a forward manner. In other words before Christ actually lived and died His teachings were well known. Abraham the father knew of His coming and His teachings so in a way he was a christian. The Talmud was changed by the Jews a long time ago, but the original five books in the Chrisitian bible are a truer rendition of the originals. For instance the Douay vrsion like the Talmud backs the Jewish religion, is slanted to back some Catholic teachings. One verse refers to a man saying, let us go back and pray for the dead. A Catholic belief by prayers and masses one can change the eternal faith of someone who has already died. Once you die your faith is sealed. There is no purgatory where semi bad people can sit and wait for their relatives to pray them into heaven. I was born into a Catholic family and practiced that religion until my teens, I quit that and became a Baptist. I shed those beliefs at age 18. I tired many other churches and discovered that organized religion was a bunch of hooey that only reflected what the leader of that group believed.

Now, Now Lionel. I have met so many people who started off as Catholic, and became so tainted that they want nothing to do with Religion or Church or . . . (not saying you are like that ~ lol).

I've experienced them all ~ meaning the various faiths and denominations -- Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Luthern, Apostolic, Pentecostal, Apostolic-Pentecostal, Eastern Orthodox, Judiasm, Messianic . . .

Nothing compares to the Fire Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the unveiling, and the transformation.

Thanks for the clarification.

I love God and am a follower of Christ. Organized churches on the whole are just money making enterprises. I know, I was once a Baptist preacher.

My father was a rabbi, but he quit when he couldn't agree with the demands upon the congregation for money, whether they could afford it or not.

Oy ve, is that the way to say it? Anyway, money is the reason for all of the shysters such as Jimmy Swaggert and the rest.

Organized churches on the whole are just money making enterprises.


That's a blanket statement. Odd for you to say that.

Why? Take it from someone who has been there. Ex Baptist preacher. Big Ex.

From the way you are talking it sounds like you were not much of a preacher, Sir.

I was a great preacher. My problem was with the, money hungry we don't care about you give me your money, church supervisiors.

Lionel, I'd bet you were indeed a great preacher. My dad was a wonderful rabbi, but he just couldn't deal with the money thing. The last straw was when people had to buy tickets to go to the High Holy Days services.

Oh my. The last church I attended I enjoyed for twenty one years. Then things changed. But we kept all of the High Holy Days very closely to the way those of the Jewish faith do. Spring Feast, Passover, Fast days and all of the rest. it was interesting. Even kept the Sabbath (saturday). Tickets to attend services, that is sad. God bless your dad, is he still with us?

I'm afraid I miss him terribly, but I'm glad of all he instilled in me about honor and integrity being the basis for a good life.

I know how you feel. My dad has been gone for years now and I still sometimes reach for the phone to call him and ask his opinion about something. The wisest, sweetest, kindness and most gentle man I have ever iknown. He was a big man, about six feet tall, he was the runt in his family, his hands bent from years of hard work, yet gentle as could be when he held my children and grand chaildren.

Lionel ~ You are right about the money part. Now I SEE.

Joanne ~ Sorry to hear about your Dad's passing. He raised a wonderful daughter though!

Thank you so much, Rene.

Okay Lionel ~ I'm giving you a TEN for being ever so BOLD in the presence of so many women to ask this question of us ~ ahahahh . . .

This is FEATURED in PROPHETIC PULSE ~ A Paradigm Shift, and I'm going to shift out of here for a minute and come back to respond . . .

Thanks Renee. I love all people especially the, ahem, weaker sex. My daughter would jump me for saying that. She grew up with threer brothers. I always wanted a daughter and the day she was born was one of my happiest.

Oh, but there is so much packed in the "weaker sex" ~ L O L Lionel. I'm sure you already KNOW that having a daughter and all ~ {smiles}.

Three boys and one girl. Guess which one is the toughest. Right the first time.

Well, according to the "story" I was told,

God created man, and said, "whoops I screwed up" then he made woman. : )

Some imperfect man died, became the angel Lucifer, (not Lucy) (joking, now guys)

Funny Nora.

OK ... here is MY belief .... GOD is of neither gender alone, rather, God is made up of both genders. In the beginning God created Man ... as in Mankind ... in God's image .. making Adam complete ... both male and female as his Father in Heaven. Mankind refers to both Man and/or Woman. Then God decided Adam was all alone and needed a companion and mate ... Adam was created from the dust of the earth and God's spirit. Eve, Woman, was created from Adam, the dust of the earth, and God's spirit. The rib that the Bible speaks of is symbolic ... in reality it was the female gender side of Adam. Mankind was created with both genders in the beginning just as God and the spirits are. God further states that both male and female would long for one enother. I believe the real attraction between man and woman is for what the other lacks in themselves because they belong together and is the reason why God speaks of when we go to heaven there would be no gender for we will once again be perfect and complete ... made up of both genders just as our Father and all other spirits.
This is why we have the battle of the sexes .... we are always seeking to be one ... whole ... complete ... in our lacking of the other side.

Please read on for explaination of early gender grammar explanation.

In the Hebrew Bible (and in translations to languages with a she/he dichotomy) God is referred to as "he". God might be a 'He' in the Bible but non-Hebrew-literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine. There are no gender-neutral pronouns in Hebrew, i.e. there is no equivalent of the English "it". Everything is a "he" or a "she".

The spirit of God Ruach Elohim (Genesis 1:2) is a feminine noun. So is the Shekhinah -- the Presence of God. Does that mean the Spirit of God and the Presence of God are female?

Take for example the word "animal" -- hayyah in Hebrew. Hayyah is a feminine noun. Therefore, by the rules of Hebrew grammar, whenever people speak of a hayyah, they have to refer to it as "she". This does not indicate that the animal in question is actually female.

Since the titles for God in the Hebrew Bible (Elohim, El, Adonai) are masculine nouns, God is called "he". A book sefer is a masculine noun too. So a book is also called "he". God is no more male than a book is male.

In Chinese, a language with gender-neutral pronouns, a special genderless pronoun is used in reference to Divinity (roughly equivalent to IT). When translating the Bible into Chinese, using "he" to reference God was out of the question because the Chinese character for "he" contained the character "human". (Chinese characters are picture-words which may consist of other Chinese characters.) To bring God to the level of man was blasphemous.

Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

Too often, humans have projected their own image of oppressive manhood onto God. People in power (usually men) assume that God must think, act and feel the way they do, and less powerful minorities often respond by rejecting God when what they really have issue with is not God but the majority-sanctioned ideas of God. Insisting that God's personality and preferences mirrors that of humans (or at least the men of more privileged classes), is at best, making the mistake that Luther believed Erasmus was making at the time he told Erasmus, "Your God is too human", or worse, committing idolatry by casting God in man's image.

Does gender have a place in the spirit world?
Jesus' reply to the Sadducees on the question of whose wife a woman would be at the resurrection, if she had seven husbands in her lifetime:

Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the Scriptures, neither the power of God? For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke 20:34-36

Galatians 3:28 states:"...there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

You didn't answer the question! :)

Now Gigi ~ I was really getting into what you were saying until you said this ...

"less powerful minorities" ~ WHAT? You are projecting your thoughts into what would have otherwise been a very good dissertation. Such a shame . . .

My Lord called Him Father . . . Why would I wish to differ?

You are correct. What did the Logo, pre-Christ entity, call God, now called the Father, before Christ came to earth half man and half God. This doesn't happen until the New Testament. And I agree, Father is definitely a male term.

So . . . why does that not settle the matter? Is he not your Lord?

OMG! Yahweh was a hermaphrodite?

The scriptural answers are highly contradictory, as pointed out here. If God is Spirit, where does gender fit? If God is Love, what gender is that? As Lionel so eloquently stated: "God was portrayed as a male because males were doing the portraying." (drum roll) And there ya have it.

When women refer to God as "She", who's doing the portraying then?

You'd have to ask someone who refers to God as "She," John I NEVER do. In fact, in my books, workshops and blog I make it very clear that I do not believe that the Omnipresent God can be limited by gender. :-)

Amen Patricia ~ AMEN!

"As Lionel so eloquently stated: "God was portrayed as a male because males were doing the portraying." "

I believe that Book is the Word of God, so, God was doing the portraying. The God I worship can do that sort of thing, all He wishes.

John,
When you say, "I believe that the Book is the Word of God," do you mean that you believe that everything in the Bible is true?

Pat, I do. What is it that people have a problem with in the bible? Not necessarily you but anybody. People are always saying the bible has errors or conflicts or some other such foolishness but nobody ever makes a list.

Retired Episcopalian bishop John Shelby Spong has said, "Anyone who believes that the Bible is true hasn't read it." As one of the ministers at my church says, "There is a lot of truth in the Bible, but everything in the Bible isn't true. Think about Copernicus and Galileo. Their scientific theories totally contradicted the Bible. Today, we don't believe that the sun revolves around the Earth or that the Earth is the center of the Universe. Theologian Richard Friedman does an extraordinary job of not simply pointing out the numerous contradictions in the book of Genesis in his book, "Who Wrote the Bible?" he explains why those contradictions exist.

And there are lists. Another minister at my church recently sent me one that I can share: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html. When I saw how long the list was, I tucked that email in a special folder for later review, so I can't attest to it.

I also have a number of books in my personal library, written by renowned Bible scholars:
"Don't know much about the Bible," by Kenneth Davis,
"Reading the Bible again for the first time" by Marcus Borg,
"Misquoting Jesus," by Bart Ehrman,
"The Bible Tells Me So," by Hill and Cheadle,
"Who Wrote the Bible?" by Richard Friedman,
I also address a few contradictions in my book, "Crossing an Unseen Bridge."

To me, the Bible is a valuable collection of works that provide insight into the ancients' view of God. I posted a blog on Gather, "Solving Problems by Killing People" (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977697617) that addresses some of the deadly directives the Bible gives us.
I hope this helps, Lionel.

Patricia,

"John,
When you say, "I believe that the Book is the Word of God," do you mean that you believe that everything in the Bible is true?"

It means I don't believe that just any old Tom Dick or Harry ; ) can over-ride the will of God. If He wants to get a message to us, He does.

I'm totally on board with you on that, John. :-)

Patricia,

That's good, I think.

Please be careful what you attribute to the Book . .

"Think about Copernicus and Galileo. Their scientific theories totally contradicted the Bible.

This is nonsense. I think you imagined it.

I didn't imagine it. The Church did, which is why they punished both men. Look it up. :-)

Patricia,

This or that church leader, is not the Book. You said;

"Their scientific theories totally contradicted the Bible."

I say, you are incorrect (and those church folks were too ; )

Those "church folks" spoke from a position of claimed divine authority to the masses they intended to lead down such paths ... that cannot be denied ... except by a few who would deny anything they didn't want to believe ...

"Those "church folks" spoke from a position of claimed divine authority . . "

Yeah, and so do you, kind sir ; )

That is correct John, at least to the degree that they do, but so much more in my view. Of course "your" divinity and mine may well not be the same ... thank God you will say. Thank GOD I say.

John,

Could you clarify that you are declaring that the Bible's description of the heavens is correct, and Galileo and Copernicus are incorrect?

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, what? All caps is different from just the first letter being capitalized, why?

Patricia,

"Could you clarify that you are declaring that the Bible's description of the heavens is correct, and Galileo and Copernicus are incorrect?"

No, cause I'm not declaring that . . . You said this;

"Their scientific theories totally contradicted the Bible."

And I'm saying that's not a true statement, as far as I can tell.

Lionel, this post might help you to understand the answer to your question to Jerry. :)

OK, John:

Because I'm totally confused, time is short, and the conversation is becoming circular, I think I'd better get back to work. Have a WONderful day, my friend!
:-)

The conversation is not circular, I don't think. You made a claim, and do not back it up. You ducking out on showing us where the Book's description of the heavens is at significant variance with those gentleman's, is not me going in circles ; )

OK.

"" Lionel LaVergne Sep 22, 2009, 1:28pm EDT
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, what? All caps is different from just the first letter being capitalized, why? ""

Because I differentiate between God and GOD ... select on blue for link.

I actually meant this as a joke. But, I love the comments. Getting people to think is always my goal. Some believe that God is shaped like a male in every sense of the word. Since male was made in God's image, well check out a man. Woman was made to accept the male appendage and nurse the offspring. I don't believe there will be male or female indicators in the Kingdom of Heaven. Anyway, I'm enjoying these comments, especially the one by the beautiful and highly intelligent Gigi.

Let's speak on the VOICE of GOD Lionel . . .

Male or Female VOICE?

I'd say an alto/tenor, but very forceful and compelling.

So it's not a "still small voice" as the Bible claims? Also I read a fascinating book, "Power vs. Force," by Harvard M.D., Ph.D. David Hawkins. He dramatically illustrates the difference between the two. Ever since then, I've viewed the free-willing God as powerful rather than forceful. :-)

So many gods . . so few universes ; )

Ahahah ~ John, you are so funny. I was going to be really SERIOUS and say something in response here, but I'll have to come back now, because you've deflated my seriousness with that line above this box ~ ahahah . . .

Okay ~ I'm back ~ In response to my own question to Lionel and ALL reading . . .

The VOICE ~ Male. Very calming. Unless, of course, you are out of line -- then the tone is BOOMING!

Well .... the first human may have been male and the second human female .... but every male and female born since then starts off as female in the wound ... every fetus is female up until the 6-7th week of gestation .... biological fact! SMILE! By the way ... I have never referred to God as a she ... God ... Yahweh is my Father in Heaven and I have always referred to my Father as He or Him ... but as I said before God/Spirit has no one gender ... rather consist of both feminine and masculine characteristics ... then we all do in varing degrees as humans .. as pointed out to me by the love of my life. NOW ... Mother Earth is another whole ballgame .... LOL!!! Being a woman ... I prefer a man who is in charge ... then I always have someone to blame! JUST KIDDING! I'm actually glad God created both male and female ... makes life and living much more interesting ... Don't you think ... SMILE!

Gigi, I don't think that anyone will argue with you here :)

argue with you (?) ... unless the "wound" was intentional or a Freudian Slip rather than mis-spelling of the womb ...

Jerry no one here appreciates spelling corrections. After all we can't all of us be as intelligent as you are. Actually I bet my IQ range is higher than yours.

Lionel, get off your "high horse" ... it was not a spelling correction as much as a humorous jibe. People with intelligence usually have some humor potential. Screw your IQ ... what's your Wisdom Level ?

Compared to yours? A hut in Africa, yours, the empire state building, mine. MY high horse. You seem to think you are the only person in this universe who knows anything. Understands anything, and can speak with wisdom where everyone can't. On the net when we say something kidding we use an lol or such to indicate so. You will notice I am not using anything.

lol ... NOT ... neither was I. Words are cheap, time will tell whether you can actually walk the walk ... I doubt that you can or you would have a better attitude.

Dear Jerry I have a great attitude and I know myself. I have been walking the walk for longer than you've probably been alive. God blesses me in a million ways. I must be doing something right. I read your article, convoluted as it was, I still don't know what the difference between God and GOD. Actually it is proper form to use God when referring to the one true God, god is for the many man made gods. Nowhere is GOD called for, but if it pleases you go with it. Peace and love.

It is with GOD that I find the True Peace and Love that seems so missing amongst those who relate to God only. May you also someday be so fortunate to find GOD.

Thank you Jerry. It doesn't matter how you write God, GOD, just as long as you worship Him as I do.

"It doesn't matter how you write God, GOD, just as long as you worship Him as I do."

Sure, that's the key to Eternal Life; Worship as Lionel does ; )


Prolly some corrupter edited that out of the Word, you figure?

John, your "problem" is that you worship the "word" and believe the "word" is God, thus if it were not for your "book" you would have nothing. IMnsHO.

Such a black and white thinker you are, Jerry . . such a dualist . .

Speaking of having nothing, isn't that exactly what you had, when serious trouble came upon you?


"I was at my lowest possible point often desiring to just be dead and over with it all."

"As many who know me are aware, I have claimed a spirituality that I swear by ... that seemed to just drop out of sight during that entire hospital ordeal like I had dropped down into lower level where there was no compassionate GOD to be had ..."

(Jerry Kays)


Nothing. Yet you continue to bow to your own imaginings . . .


As a dog returned to its vomit,
A fool is repeating his folly.
Thou hast seen a man wise in his own eyes,
More hope of a fool than of him!

I at least had my "memory" of the relationship to get me over the "hump" ... you had better hope that you do not have to experience such John.

Even then I never questioned or doubted my beliefs, only wondered at the why of the temporary displacement.

OH ... thank you Lionel ... the love of my life!!!

What a woman! Lucky, lucky me.

:=)

union rule prohibit referring to anything evil in ANY but the masculine tense Lionel.

Doc, you are correct this also applies to all minorities. Cajuns have been declared minorities so be careful what you say to me people. lol

Because if Satan was a woman, she would have convinced Eve to just bake Adam an apple pie, let him fall, and then sit back and see how God resolved THAT problem.

And that whole thing with Job? She would have just hid the remote. Job would have been cursing God in no time.

:=D

*giggles*

OK ... now to answer the original question as it was pointed out that I did not but I thought I did? Sprit has no one gender but consist of both masculine and feminine sides or as it said ... has no gender ... neither male or female ... that is human to be either male or female. All I'm saying is since God created both He had to have both in Him. Since we when we die and pass on to the next life ... we lose our gender status and become whole ... genderless .. for we become spirits. In a sense we too are of both genders. NOW ... Satan is also spirit .... a demon or fallen angel ... has no one gender ... or genderless ... neither male or female .. or both! I refer to Satan with the male pronoun because the Bible does ... as I previously explained though earlier in the language explaination of pronouns ... this no mean Lucifer was necessarely male or female. Just think ... in Heaven ... no battle of the sexes ... LOL! We will all be equal .. the same ... but still unique and different from the other ................ is not God GRAND?

I need to make a run over to Facebook, but I shall return shortly with a lengthier comment.

No, no -- don't start the whining. It's my turn now to have some fun!

Adonay (meaning "Lord") has a feminine ending and describes the Creator's feminine/motherly attributes.

Elokim (meaning "God") has a masculine ending and describes the Creator's masculine/fatherly traits

God does not have a physical form, and what is translated from the Hebrew -- well, there is no English counterpart to the "he/she-ness" of God.
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I know I'm rushing, but Facebook just has a hold on me; FaceBook is somethin' else. It makes it hard to want to leave there if only for a few moments!

Continue with your fun, ALL!

:=)

God does have a shape. He is not a shapeless entity like the movie thing, The Blob. There are many references in the bible concerning parts of God's body. Do yourself a favor everyone and try reading the "book." It is full of entertaining stories, morality plays, intelligent sayings and of course it is the handbook by which if all men lived there would be no wars, hate and killing. Remember man, humans were made in God's image. I have a small gut because of fat but I am not a round shapeless blob and neither are any of you.

The BOOK inside each of us is much BETTER READING Lionel ~ I ate it up gladly!

A minister once told me: "God made man in Its image, then man spun around and returned the favor.

Lionel, have you considered the possibility that the Bible was correct when it said that God was Spirit? If so, perhaps that is the image in which we are made: Spirit, temporarily wearing physical bodies. Spirit isn't a blob, either. It's invisible.

I'd also suggest a slow careful read through the "book," Lionel. There are numerous instructions for us to kill each other for a variety of reasons. One of the most astounding: Strangers who walk by a Jewish temple should be put to death--along with disrespectful children.

That's why theologians say that those who believe the Bible is true haven't read it. It's also helpful to read about the history and politics of Biblical times to understand why some of these things were written and why the directives in the various books contradict each other.

Patricia,

" . . have you considered the possibility that the Bible was correct when it said that God was Spirit?"

"That's why theologians say that those who believe the Bible is true haven't read it."


Looks like somebody likes to have their cake, and eat His too ; )

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you [Ex.12:49]

Thou shall neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. [Ex.22:21]

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; [Lev19:33,34]

Pat it is true that the bible is filled with laws that advocate killing someone as punishment. This is the work of men. God gave the ten commandments then men expanded adding their own ideas. When I say the bible is true I mean it is true when it reports that man is sometimes a savage. Men hurt and kill each other. I'm reporting that and it is the truth. Am I advocating that is a good thing? No, neither does the bible. A large part of the bible is simply history.

"Men hurt and kill each other."

God hurts and kills all men, in reality-land. For He gives them life in the flesh, and they all will suffer and die, in the flesh. To worship a God that does not do such things, is clearly to worship a God that does not exist.

Satan is actually a hermaphrodite~

Really? Have you been that friendly with him where you saw his sexual organs? lol

Why yes~ I came out of his/her vagina~thank you for asking~ =)
we just call him /her mapoppa Hoofs~ I'll give him/her your regards next time I dive under to play Rummy with Jim Morrison~ =)

Purrrrr. Next time please take a pic and send it to me. Thanks, Lionel

purr said it best

Brownian Motion.

It's just simple rebellion.

LOL!! That is funny! Except I don't think God is a he or a she. He is a spirit! Right? I think, I need to do research on that one.

I believe that the women who refer to GOD as a "She" are the free thinkers who resist patriarchal church doctrine and do so to prove their point against the church position of God being a He or Him.

I also believe that far more women then men are Christian (religious in the name of "that" Lord) because "He" would be considered the "perfect" Husband, something they all seek and want, something that comes natural to their concept of being hetero-sexual beings. ... and the same reason that so fewer men are so religious, it just goes against their heterosexual nature of being in love with "another Man" ...

As for Satan, everyone knows that such a "He" is most vicious and scary, not holding a candle to the relatively innocent "Eve" who merely made a "mistake" ... her being patriarchically "blamed" for the "fall" more even than Satan in many, if not most, religious minds.

Just something to think about ... (and now that I have commented, I will attempt to read the other comments).

PS ... and now that I have read all comments, I am very impressed with those of Gigi ... she reminds me of "Sophia" the Lady of Wisdom.

Anyway, during my spiritual "awakening" (being Born again, Graced, baptized by Fire) I asked my "higher Self" (Spirit) IF "SHE" WERE IN FACT A SHE ... the answer was immediate and in the affirmative ... satisfying that my suspicion was that becoming accepted into the cosmic realm via the "awakening" I was now, as a human male, "wed" to the Spirit of GOD, now making Her and I the "neutral" that "WE" truly become upon the realization of the higher truth of the matter.

Hmmmmmmm.

Think about it Rene" ... GOD's honest truth ... IMnsHO. :-)

What did you say, Jerry? You shifted from being a man to a woman because you were "baptized by fire?" Or did you become a combination of man and woman. Actually if you check closely you will see you are still a male. Spiritually, male, female don't apply. Jesus made that abundantly clear throughout the bible. Now when you die and change from a physical person to a spiritual entity, you will still look just like old Jerry but you won't think or feel like a male. Or a female. Gender won't be a consideration. Now that, is God's honest truth.

Lionel, because I believe that truth, short of GOD's, is but relative ... and that GOD and God have some kind of relationship (I know what I think about that) and in addition to that, GOD is esoteric while God is exoteric ... thus you reference God as an exoteric individual male ego ... and I reference GOD as an esoteric individual male ego that has been "wed" to the Spirit of GOD ... quite some difference in that there ... and transcends the common exoteric mis-understanding of the bible ... IMnsHO.

Thus you have God's honest truth (so you say) ... and ... I have GOD's honest truth ... IMnsHO.

Wow, clear as mud. Why not just explain yourself in everyday language? Why? Because then you would have to be clear about your believe. I don't think you know what you believe. The whole God things is simple. Creator = God Creation = man.

your beliefs

Those egoically ignorant are stupid to think that what they fail to understand has no merit. I don't think that you think at all, or you would know better.

. . "stupid to think that what they fail to understand has no merit."

Perhaps, but not as stupid as thinking it does ; )

To each their own, glad I'm not you.

John Knight, neither God nor Jesus personally wrote a single word in the bible except the Ten Commandments. So, men reporting on what they believed used the terms, male or female. They did the portraying, not God.

Lionel,

You can place your bet on an impotent God, that cannot do what the Book portrays Him doing, if you like. I have witnessed things that would make that a very stupid bet, for me to make.