Dedicated to all the contestents on First Tracks that I have connected with and all other entries....
I decided to write this article because as First Tracks moves toward the close of the contest, emotions are running high for all those involved. It almost seems as though it is the political campaign that America is watching. Every listener on gather has a favorite musician and everyone is entitled to their thoughts. Now that being said, as a musician who doesn't feel like posting her musical work for all to judge, I feel that it is time to address the contest and why someone might remove a negative comment and a more personal alternative. You may agree or disagree and that is fine. In the end you can gain gather points and a friend. Just a few methods I use to make my gather experience fun.
Call it what you will, but the page that someone creates is their page. Plain and simple, they can choose the content that appears on their item that they submitted. Why does this bother people? Probably because they feel that they have a valid comment. Yes, they are correct and that is true. Personally, I would never post a negative comment on someone's artistic endeavor because even though I don't like it--that doesn't mean that someone else doesn't. Also, a public display of disparaging comments is often perceived as hurtful, even if the other person doesn't care what you think. If I don't like the what was posted and feel strongly that the said item offends me, I would send an email to that person. The old rule of don't send that email out for a while holds true for me. I've learned over the years on the internet that sending an email is final and you may never get a chance to defend yourself.
Now, imagine yourself seeing a coment that is hurtful to you. Why would you want to stare at that comment, let alone have your friends see that comment? You might just be tough as nails, but this contest is a business for the contestants. As a business would you want the negative comment to detract from your product? This contest is about "gathering" support and the music is the product that they are giving us a chance to listen to. I know this sounds preachy, but we have to remember that the person who is performing has feelings too. Often times, the situation gets out of hands on these social networks because people can't always express exactly what they want to say. The bottom line is that a negative comment, in my opinion is best suited in an email if you have to say something.
It always amazes me that people are talking about the mass emails, methods of garnering support and cheating. The mass emails are done because the artist/artists are proud of their work and feel that they are in a position to actually win the contest that they entered in. Time constraints are ever present and people send the mass emails out. If you don't like the mass emails, simply delete them or use a filtering system so that the mass emails are not bothering you. Personally, I like seeing the emails and how strong the musician is for taking the effort to try and let everyone know what they have done. The purpose of the contest is to gather support and push your song into the stratosphere. Support your artist and post positive articles for them or do a review. Slamming a person on their page is not the best method and you are giving the person you don't like publicity. You have inadvertently supported the other side. Finally, the contest may be rigged and only time will tell if that is true. I have to believe that the system is fair otherwise the site has huge problems---and I love gather's community. It boils down to this: The larger your fan base the greater your votes will be. Plain and simple.
I'm not going to say what inspired this article because I think it was a misinterpretation on all parties involved. You may even figure out my inspiration and post a response on this article. I'm not playing the role of super delegate by posting my choice on my group or page because everyone deserves to make their own conclusions.
On a closing note, Music like any other form of art is a passionate form of expression. Enjoy what you like and relax, life is just too short to be so worried about something that you won't remember ten years from now. Ok, go ahead and post your responses and rate the article below if you want. Please vote for your contestants and keep it clean--no hitting below the belt. If you don't like a person's music don't post that on this article because it is about a general situation. I will take out negative mud slinging on this article because it is not intended for that.
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March 27, 2008 07:49 PM EDT
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Comments: 47
if i was to ask that people tell me what they think, i want their honest opinion, because flattery doesn't help you correct any errors you may have overlooked in the process of creating.
this does not mean that all negative comments are derogatory or hateful. yes sometimes some are, but again, if you are asking for someone's opinion via an email, you should respect that their opinion may not be a positive one.
i understand that they are trying to promote themselves in a business way, but you're going to have critics out there in life outside of gather too, so you need to thicken up your skin if your going to be successful, cause the criticism will only get worse the more famous you become.
can some of these negative comments hinder you in your goal, maybe. or maybe they will just make other people want to listen that much more to see if that person is correct in their judgement or not.
i however am much like Salvador Dali in that negative attention is still attention and keeps your name out there and may draw new visitors and admirers to your work as well.
in this situation however, by allowing the general population to vote and comment, your going to run into that same situation as you do with high school elections/competitions. talent often gets overlooked by popularity and the best person doesn't always win.
you were right to point out that they are people who have feelings too, the musicians involved. which is something that people tend to forget about.
i have a lot of musician friends in my life, and i try to support their music, however i don't like all of their styles and/or songs and have been known to tell them honestly how i feel about it. sometimes they get mad at me, most times they thank me for my candor. but there are times when i've gone to see them play, and i can tell they are feeling hurt by people's reactions or loud talking over their playing, and i listen to them bitch about it later over a beer, but they know it's part of the business and if they want to continue in that profession that they have to deal with it.
okay, i'm gonna stop now, i'm not sure i'm making sense any longer. lol
I tried to stick with technical aspects in my criticisms, e. g. the quality of the mix, the effectiveness of the rhythm section, etc. A surprising number of tunes had the vocal buried. The old gag is "Well, that's why they call 'em songs." I tried to be polite and mention good aspects too.
Gather contests are more of a chance to observe human nature than anything else.
Sherri G., Mar 27, 2008, 8:25pm EDT
not having cable or getting the newspaper, with the exception of gather, i remain blissfully unaware of the state of politics. :)
Now to the point.... criticism.
I've had some folks come to some of my songs, listen and then make comments like, "This would be a great sing, if you could carry a tune." or the inevitable, "I hate country music, it sucks, you suck.".
Do I delete those type comments? Well... at first I did. Now... I leave them, so that others can see what kind of people are out there. Lots of people will go to their site then and get negative over their rap, pop or whatever. I, however, just kick back and laugh, now.
Do bad comments hurt? You bet they do! I think, for a large part, many of us sing, because we love to sing. I think we all ... regardless of politics, genre or gender.... have feelings and maintain a certain amount of pride in our efforts.
I have to honestly say that I've heard some genres that I just would never listen to, but that isn't to say that the posters are not talented. One thing I have, indeed learned, is tht we all have a certain amount of ego that can be suddenly deflated, whether rightly or wrongly.
We all need to be careful as to what we say and how we say it, when responding to any kind of post. As I explained to Sherri, earlier... I can honestly consider myself an "expert" at making a fool of myself...so, when I offer a suggestion, it's from my own experience and learning. That is NOT to say that I won't ever let my emotions take charge some evenings. After all... I, like all of us.... are human.
Take care everyone.
The Other Dale C: You are awesome. That is what I wanted to point out.
Exposure, exposure and more exposure. ;)
Good article
Well said. I'm in the top 10 right now, and though I don't have any negative comments, I'd delete them in a heartbeat. I've been featured on YouTube, and for a while, received dozens of negative comments every hour. And I deleted them all. It's my prerogative, because I put the content up in the first place. If a comment says, "Good work here, but I feel that the vocals need a little work,' I'll leave it up, because at least it's constructive. But it is up to every artist to decide what gets said. With a novel, critics can say whatever they want, but only the good reviews go on the book jacket.
Thanks for listening,
Tommy Wallach
Guess I will respond since it was my song that generated lots of negative comments and I deleted all of them. ANd I will continue to do so! ( to me it is a troll account as no pics, no articles , no stuff whatsoever just joined today to harras people and their music entries. Not only that I was subject to email harrasment and I dutifully reported the account to gather staff.
When me or anyone creates something . ( Our music)it is Thoughtful. & Innovative. Or just plain cool. ( to us and several of our friends, fans & family) But to our surprise, nobody has anything positive to say. yes I know it is in the nature of the web for people to flame, rant, argue, even put other people down for the mere fact that something can be considered 'popular'.
In my life I've seen and experienced first hand what it's like to be on the front-line of criticism. The fact of the matter is, there is no pleasing everyone. There's always something wrong with our product. There's always something that can be improved. And the flamers keep ranting on.
Most likely these folks have never put together a real product, be it music, photography or a great writing. They just 'talk trash' and say what's wrong with whatever they're ranting about. In fact, they get a kick out of it! It makes them feel better to put something down as if they're better than it or too cool to 'jump on that wagon'. Their ideaology is backwards. The mere fact that something is popular, it all of a sudden becomes 'uncool'. It's a macho thing. A personal thing. An anti-conformity issue that they were never able to get over as a kid.
If people have constructive things to say, then by all means I take it as a positive comment. Otherwise, there are quite a few ways I can pinpoint a negative comment, and I never take those too personal but since this is my product I will not tolerate them on a page I created.
If you've stuck around my stuff for quite some time then you'll know that I'm all about the community. I love returning readers, commenting, and keep in touch through email with my gather friends & connections.
Those are the people that are honest and constructive. They help me improve my ideas which ultimately make me better.
April--way to go! Both Bobby and I say Bravo! Very well put, but it wasn't about you that sparked the article, it was another situation. Bobby isn't too thrilled with Jackson Pollock's painting, but he invented it. That being said, Jack White of the White Stripes is releasing his album this week with the music review critics and fans getting the album at the same time. Jack believes that everyone should be a critic and not let the critics tell us what to listen to.
The blues scale--the one with the flatted odd numbered notes--appears in countless pop tunes too. "Cry Me a River," "Willow, Weep for Me," "Blues in the Night,) (two for one, uses blue notes and and has the B word in the title).
What the people who listed their songs as blues were doing, mostly, was listing their songs in as many genres as possible in order to get them as much exposure as possible. Some of the songs I dinged as not blues were lite rock or modern country.
There are always things that cross genres or transcend them. The color spectrum doesn't have well defined boundaries either. Saying that something is green even though it's red is either the result of lying or being color blind.
Cindy: Happy voting and thank you :)
Ugh.