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by John Philipp
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Thought~Byte No. 132

December 17, 2008 12:14 AM EST
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Thought~Byte No. 132

 

 

 

Concept and words by John Philipp. Drawings by Phil Frank.

(The comments are where the wisdom is found.)

 

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Comments: 107

John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 12:14am EST
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Greg Schiller Dec 17, 2008, 12:16am EST
So true.

But of course, both children and ideas need to be gently ushered toward reality, oops, I should have said, maturity.
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Patrick T. Dec 17, 2008, 12:34am EST
John you simplify wisdom so it can be understood by the most complicated idiots. You are approaching the level of Will Rogers. Bravo.
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~Sia McKye~ Dec 17, 2008, 12:37am EST
Absolutely, John.

Ideas and children are best served by "constructive" criticism. Constructive (to build) helps to highlight what needs work and how to accomplish it. It encourages problem solving skills and shows one how to make progress.

Destructive criticism, on the other hand, by it's very definition is designed to destroy. It tears down ideas and self-esteem--impedes problem solving skills. Usually destructive criticism is designed to make the one giving it look better at the expense of another. In children, this is devastating.
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Beth H. Dec 17, 2008, 12:41am EST
Pointing kids in the right direction doesn't mean mashing their dreams. Good one, John.
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Kelly M. Dec 17, 2008, 12:42am EST
love it!
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~Lady Neeetah of California~Obama #44 W. Dec 17, 2008, 12:42am EST
True. If there really ARE INNOVATORS, CREATORS and WORLD-CHANGERS, they are right there in the minds of the Little Ones. They're amazing, aren't they, John.

If I don't get another opportunity, best of the season's greetings to you, and looking forward to a fabulous 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Linda T. Dec 17, 2008, 1:54am EST
newly formed creations need love, patience and guidance to ensure that they grow into strong reliable beings or functioning ideas.
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Glome . . . Dec 17, 2008, 2:47am EST
Good thought.
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m.n. yano Dec 17, 2008, 2:50am EST
Is tough love destructive?
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Hajo v. Dec 17, 2008, 5:22am EST
Your image makes it clear what you mean by saying "criticizing".
We are awfully bad giving encouragement and honest feedback at once.

From the "Free Dictionary": Critique has been used as a verb meaning "to review or discuss critically" since the 18th century, but lately this usage has gained much wider currency, in part because the verb criticize, once neutral between praise and censure, is now mainly used in a negative sense. But this use of critique is still regarded by many as pretentious jargon, although resistance appears to be weakening. In our 1997 ballot, 41 percent of the Usage Panel rejected the sentence As mock inquisitors grill him, top aides take notes and critique the answers with the President afterward. Ten years earlier, 69 percent disapproved of this same sentence. Resistance is still high when a person is critiqued: 60 percent of the Usage Panel rejects its use in the sentence Students are taught how to do a business plan and then are critiqued on it. Thus, it may be preferable to avoid this word. There is no exact synonym, but in most contexts one can usually substitute go over, review, or analyze.·Note, however, that critique is widely accepted as a noun in a neutral context; 86 percent of the Panel approved of its use in the sentence The committee gave the report a thorough critique and found it both informed and intelligent.
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JOHN BECK Dec 17, 2008, 5:49am EST
Without the erudite discussion of Hajo, I agree that there's criticism and, as Beth points out, there is direction. Telling a kid that he or she is naughty or bad is a negative evaluation of the individual. Telling a kid that his or her action was naughty evaluated the action without degrading the perpetrator.
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Karen F. Dec 17, 2008, 6:05am EST
So true...I have seen so much of both sides of children developing over the years. You can tell a bull at school and know the treatment they get at home. More times than not they do what is done to them at home.
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Kathy W. Dec 17, 2008, 6:25am EST
Just thought I'd add a note: Everything is a work in progress.
Your friend who's just survived a divorce.
Your kid's best friend, who's parents are fighting.
Your mom or dad, dealing with perceived maturity and medicare.
Me. I'm a work in progress, even though I'm no longer a child.
You. You are all works in progress--otherwise, what is the point of continuing down the line?
We're never "done." Hopefully. We're never finished. Not until the final exhale--even then, there may be something after to evolve to.

Blessed be, John P.
Wilka
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regina k. Dec 17, 2008, 6:42am EST
words early on in anything, including life can be devastating. this byte is very true
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JOHN BECK Dec 17, 2008, 6:54am EST
Exactly, Kathy. That's why the same principle applies. If a person does something wrong, the deed rather than the person should be criticized. However that just goes so far. If a child sneaks a cookie before dinner after being told not to, that's a naughty act but the kid isn't bad. In the adult world, unfortunately, some people do become bad people.
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Larry M. Dec 17, 2008, 7:18am EST
What works best with the children I coach, I find, is that I tell them what to do right and what to avoid and praise their improvement. One should never provide false praise because that destroys the value of any later sincere praise.

Worst is angry criticism. A tone of "what about so and so" is a much better way to point out problems with an idea and that should come only after some "that would help with such and such" and before a little "certainly that would be an improvement."
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Donna Hammett-Tooker Dec 17, 2008, 7:20am EST
I grew up in the South and the women there are expected (my generation) to be good cooks, housekeepers, wives and mothers. Women in business or with a profession were not looked upon kindly as I was growing up and I, of course, chose to not marry, not have kids and not be without a job to support myself so I was asking for it at every turn. And, I got it. I am glad things are and have changed. Many fathers used to tell their daughters that if only one child could have a higher education it would be the male(s) who would go because the man needs to be the provider and a woman can get married and be supported by her husband. So, in a way, every female was criticized for not being ideal and most families were "ashamed" of women who were not marriageable and they usually went from male family member to male family member helping out the sisters-in-law raise the kids that they themselves never had but were supposed to help raise for the continuance of the family. I escaped this because my brothers were much younger but it was the ultimate "criticism" of womanhood in the Old South.
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mary bryant Dec 17, 2008, 8:04am EST
so very true
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Bert Van Essen Dec 17, 2008, 8:37am EST
I am a living example of this.
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Barney JP Not Smarter than an 5th Grader Shel Is Pres of Gather Dec 17, 2008, 8:54am EST
To critique is to discuss the the positives and negatives and is not the same as encouragement and discouragement.

Give encouragement and nourishment to the positives.
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Robert - just a simple man - B. Dec 17, 2008, 8:58am EST
Proverbs 22:6
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Janie E. Dec 17, 2008, 9:52am EST
So very true!!!! Great thought byte, John!!!
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Michelle W. Dec 17, 2008, 9:56am EST
Great thought and great comments.

And I heartily agree ... we are ALL works in progress, and our most violent critic is ... ... ourselves! We must be gentle with ourselves as well.

Great post!
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Patricia J. Dec 17, 2008, 9:58am EST
This one is right on, John.
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blaine d. Dec 17, 2008, 10:07am EST
can't live without it!
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JoAnne D. Dec 17, 2008, 10:23am EST
Really liking this one alot. Great words of wisdom.
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Rebecca [Future Teacher] Dec 17, 2008, 11:01am EST
Very well said. Criticism can defeat an idea or goal that would succeed. Choose your words wisely.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:23am EST
I'm pleased you think so, JoAnne. Thanks.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:23am EST
Rebecca, I'm glad you're going into teaching.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:24am EST
"both children and ideas need to be gently ushered toward reality"

Very true for ideas, Greg.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:24am EST
"you simplify wisdom so it can be understood by the most complicated idiots."

Thank you, Patrick.

(I will be tripping with the phrase "the most complicated idiots" all morning.)
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:24am EST
"Usually destructive criticism is designed to make the one giving it look better at the expense of another. In children, this is devastating."

Well said, Sia.

As you can tell from the finger, this is the destructive kind.

BTW, constructive criticism also includes what doesn't need work and carries with it implied approval.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:25am EST
"Pointing kids in the right direction doesn't mean mashing their dreams"

Another aspect of this Byte, Beth.

Thanks.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:25am EST
Thank you, Kelly.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:25am EST
"If there really ARE INNOVATORS, CREATORS and WORLD-CHANGERS, they are right there in the minds of the Little Ones."

Very true, Nee. They are uncontaminated with the old thinking.

And Happy Holidays to you.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:25am EST
"newly formed creations need love, patience and guidance to ensure that they grow into strong reliable beings or functioning ideas"

Agreed, Linda. Well stated.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:25am EST
Thanks, Glome.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:25am EST
"Is tough love destructive?"

I'd be interested in your view, Emeniano.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:26am EST
Hajo, thanks for the background on the perceptions of the word "criticizing." You are correct in my experience and in the "idea" business we have had to develop alternative expressions to avoid the negative baggage.

Fortunately, in Thought~Bytes one takes away what connections they make for themselves — regardless of the words I chose. :)
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:26am EST
"Telling a kid that his or her action was naughty evaluated the action without degrading the perpetrator."

It is a hard habit to get into, John, and important for parents to understand the difference between evaluating the action and the person.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:26am EST
"More times than not they do what is done to them at home."

A whole other aspect of this Byte, Karen.

Thanks for raising that side of this.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:27am EST
"You are all works in progress-"

Thanks for broadening the perspective, Wilka.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:27am EST
"words early on in anything, including life can be devastating"

Good point, Regina. Words carry more weight the earlier they come.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:27am EST
"Worst is angry criticism. A tone of "what about so and so" is a much better way to point out problems with an idea
"
Good points, Larry.

The first step is to be aware of the potential impact of what you are saying. Then you can experiment with what works best for you.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:27am EST
"So, in a way, every female was criticized for not being ideal and most families were "ashamed" of women who were not marriageable"

It is a sad commentary on of historical values and those still alive and well in many cultures.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:28am EST
Thanks, Mary.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:28am EST
"I am a living example of this."

I'd love to hear any more you'd like to share, Bert.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:28am EST
Thanks, Selene.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:29am EST
"Give encouragement and nourishment to the positives."

Agreed, Barney.

Negatives as such have little value.

In the "idea" business we change them into opportunities to resolve so "That's too expensive" would be changed to "How can we do that less expensively?"

With children, ironically, stating negatives also reinforces the very behavior you are trying to change.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:29am EST
"Proverbs 22:6"

Robert, I'll take your word for it.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:29am EST
Thanks, Janie.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:29am EST
"we are ALL works in progress, and our most violent critic is ... ... ourselves! We must be gentle with ourselves as well."

Excellent point, Michelle and yet another facet to this Byte.

How do you "criticize" yourself?
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:29am EST
Thanks, Patricia.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 11:29am EST
"can't live without it!'

Can't live without what, Blaine?
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Bill W. Dec 17, 2008, 12:03pm EST
Neeetah - Drop the -IF- There are innovators out there and kids are born with the curiosity to wonder about things that are not. The impeders among us are much more often successful in killing the curiosity (I don't know why) or punishing the innovators. It is better to stay silent or to attack the idea because if you never propose an idea you cannot be wrong, while the creative one risks being wrong and will be punished for it. The guidance for a curious thought should not be critical but should be developmental. "Let's take your idea or your thought and see where we can go with it."

It worked for me, occasionally.

Rest easy
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Vivian P. Dec 17, 2008, 12:25pm EST
this is so true
Bravo ! John
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David W. Dec 17, 2008, 12:45pm EST
Now this I love. My parents encouraged me in the majority of my life's choices. There are always a million reasons why something won't work Most of them are just jealousy.
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David S. Dec 17, 2008, 12:47pm EST
Point well taken and very true.
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Wade A. Dec 17, 2008, 1:00pm EST
I can't argue with this one.
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Haim Kadman Dec 17, 2008, 1:19pm EST
The right conclusion no doubt at all, though criticizing can be positive and helpful too.
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Larry H. Dec 17, 2008, 2:26pm EST
THANKS FOR SHARING
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 2:27pm EST
"criticizing can be positive and helpful too."

Agreed, Haim. Criticizing should be positive and helpful.

This is about the other kind as indicated by the subtle finger in the drawing :)
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 2:27pm EST
Thanks, Marilyn.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 2:28pm EST
"The guidance for a curious thought should not be critical but should be developmental. "Let's take your idea or your thought and see where we can go with it."

Good words, Bill.

Isn't it curious how much easier it is to kill a good idea than it is to come up with one?
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 2:28pm EST
Thanks, Vivian.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 2:28pm EST
"There are always a million reasons why something won't work "

David w., I always used that as the proof that everyone is creative.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 2:28pm EST
Thanks, David S.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 2:28pm EST
"I can't argue with this one." Wade

Whew!
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K D. Dec 17, 2008, 3:21pm EST
How very true, John. Now that I think about it, that goes for people of all ages. Rather than harshly criticize someone, it's best to offer "suggestions for enhancement" in a positive way.

That little bird is cute!
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Marie J. R. Dec 17, 2008, 3:26pm EST
and so my dear,,, which came first, suggestion or criticising ???
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 4:26pm EST
Good point, K D. It is age independent.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 4:27pm EST
Marie, I think K D means suggestions in lieu of criticizing.
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Sheila Deeth Dec 17, 2008, 5:53pm EST
Looking forward to all my works in progress being home for Christmas. Nice idea.
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Georgiana S. Dec 17, 2008, 7:57pm EST
and puppies and kitties and young horses!
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 8:03pm EST
"all my works in progress" what a great expression, Sheila.

You do know, that they stop being your WIPs at some point. :)
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 8:04pm EST
Good, Georgiana. Expanding this to include anything/anyone new and fragile. Thanks.

Remember that the next time I make up a joke.
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Jules ~ Dec 17, 2008, 8:08pm EST
Ha! And my little works in progress are working me over tonight. :) It's a good night for an early bedtime. Of course, I like to tell them that just like our bodies grow at night when we're sleeping, so do our ideas. :)
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 8:28pm EST
"just like our bodies grow at night when we're sleeping, so do our ideas."

I like that positioning. Certainly better than "put your head under the covers and don't make a peep until 7 a.m. or the monster will get you." :)
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Brad D. Dec 17, 2008, 8:32pm EST
Great one!
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Lee P. Dec 17, 2008, 8:36pm EST
Awwwwww.
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Robert S. Dec 17, 2008, 8:44pm EST
Easy to say but sometimes very difficult to do. That is why raising children or growing ideas can be hard work.
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Jan S. Dec 17, 2008, 9:02pm EST
Criticizing children is so destructive. Since little ones have no other source of information beyond their parents and other adults in their lives, they are likely to accept and believe the criticism of these adults. They'll grow up with poor self-esteem and make bad choices.

Ideas that are criticized early on will probably never be realized and the world may be the poorer for it.
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Lance L. Dec 17, 2008, 10:01pm EST
This reminds me of the scene in "Uncle Buck" where Uncle Buck talks to the school principal.

" . . . I don't want to know an eight year old that isn't a silly heart. . . . . "

"Oh and here's a quarter! Go downtown and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face would ya."

The last line has nothing to do with the thought byte, I just enjoy reciting it. :~)
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 10:44pm EST
Thanks, Brad.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 10:45pm EST
Awww what, Lee?
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 10:46pm EST
"Easy to say but sometimes very difficult to do."

Definitely agree, Robert, and that's why it's worth it.

"Hard work" has a bad rap. It's not "hard" when you enjoy it or the results.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 10:48pm EST
"Criticizing children is so destructive."

So true, Jan as well as the rest of your comment.

We once did an experiment where we videoed p[arents and kids intereacting over a week — from the kid's eye level.

Parents were shocked at how big and loud they were.

I'm convinced many parents don't appreciate how their behavior "plays out' in a child's eyes.
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John Philipp Dec 17, 2008, 10:49pm EST
" I don't want to know an eight year old that isn't a silly heart. . ."
A great line, Lance. Thanks.

Uncle Buck was an intriguing character.
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Angela A. Dec 18, 2008, 11:01am EST
I totally agree John! You can't tell your kids they are wrong. You show them the way to their true path in life. If you always criticize, you change who they are inside. You make them doubt their abilities. And, make them more of a robot.
Your kids have to know that you love them, no matter what.
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John Philipp Dec 18, 2008, 11:58am EST
Well stated, Angela.

I like the "true path" part. Thanks.
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Adina P. Dec 18, 2008, 1:39pm EST
Hmmm ...Honest criticism is a good thing most times albeit hard to take !

how many kids you know who said "I wanna grow up and be a critic." ?? LOL !
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John Philipp Dec 18, 2008, 3:24pm EST
It's not the information, Atlantis. It's the delivery.
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Jerri H. Dec 18, 2008, 6:16pm EST
A plant needs a nice roomy pot and a pleasant environment to grow. Shouldn't our children be allowed the same?
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John Philipp Dec 18, 2008, 6:43pm EST
Amen, Jerri.
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Shannon H. Dec 19, 2008, 5:02am EST
Wonderful.
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John Philipp Dec 19, 2008, 10:50am EST
Thanks, Shannon.
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Chas Andrews Dec 19, 2008, 4:16pm EST
true enough
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