There was a report that Catholics were divided on who to vote for. It seems a no brainer except for people who claim to have a faith, but don't really practice that faith. You cannot claim to be a true Catholic and vote for Barack Obama since he stands against just about everything the Church stands for.
If the Pope and Bishops would not give communion to politicians that openly support such things as abortion and stem cell research, then how could a lay person go right ahead and vote for the person who would work to extend those? It is simple, they will have chosen a political view over their spiritual view. Which means this person puts himself above even his relationship with God.
Therefore, a vote for Barack Obama would be a sin in the Catholic Church. So there are two choice. One, stop pretending to be catholic and vote for Obama, or vote for someone who supports life.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am not Catholic, but I did read the report. Heck, it doesn't matter what faith you are EVERYONE knows what the Catholic Church teaches about abortion.
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Is it really possible to be religiously neutral on political issues?
Apparently Barack Hussein Obama is not afraid to bring his religious beliefs into politics:
"White House hopeful Barack Obama stood in front of a pulpit Sunday and told worshippers that his faith "plays every role" in his life." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21190019/
John McCain is for "torture?" You better do your homework. McCain bashed Bush for so-called torture techniques.
"McCain led to the effort to strip our military forces of the tools they absolutely need to fight effectively now and in the future – especially in unconventional wars against radical Islamic terrorists – by banning effective coercive interrogation techniques (not "torture," as it is often mislabeled)." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72173
As for a long Catholic history for social justice, opposition to war and capital punishment, I don't even know where to start. Ever hear of the Crusades? Just this last year in the Jungles of Ecuador rumors about the "evil works" of Christian (non-catholic) missionaries were being spread among the natives. When the natives were asked why they suddenly wanted to kill these missionaries they said the local Catholic priest told them that the missionaries where the reason for all their problems. It is not my intention to offend my Catholic friends, but I think it is important not to cover up the faults of the Catholic Church. Catholics for social justice, and opposition to war? Maybe in the US, but only if it benefits them at the time.
I will not vote for an empty suit.
Your desperation is showing, Delores.
Lee;
Worldnet daily is about as relevant as the Onion, just not as funny.
Read some real news.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/mccain-against.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/16/mccain_drops_the_torture_ball/
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1729891,00.html
Mary Ann;
McCain would be worse for America. He's a full suit, and it's full of sh*t. And it's not even new sh*t, it's just the same old sh*t in a different bag.
In contemporary times(post Vatican II at least), the Church has been against the death penaly, torture, and in favor of social justice. Ever hear of liberation theology? The anti-abortionists doen't want to hear about the whole picture, they just want to see the church through their own little microscope. The church's view of the culture of life is a lot broader than they'd like to see.
Updated 6 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear
HOUSTON -- The president of the Catholic League today blasted Sen. John McCain for accepting the endorsement of Texas evangelicalist John Hagee, calling the controversial pastor a bigot who has "waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church."
Hagee, who is known for his crusading support of Israel, backed McCain's presidential bid Wednesday, standing next to the senator at a hotel in San Antonio and calling McCain "a man of principle."
But Catholic League President Bill Donohue said in a statement today that Hagee has written extensively in negative ways about the Catholic Church, "calling it 'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system.'"
"Senator Obama has repudiated the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan, another bigot. McCain should follow suit and retract his embrace of Hagee," Donohue said.
Catholics United, a national online group, also blasted McCain over the endorsement. "By receiving the endorsement of an outspoken critic of the Catholic Church, McCain once again demonstrates that he is willing to sell out his principles for a chance to win the Presidency," said Chris Korzen, Executive Director of Catholics United in a statement. "We hope Senator McCain will take the principled position of publicly and unequivocally distancing himself from Pastor Hagee's anti-Catholic comments. Intolerance and bigotry do not belong in American politics."
The McCain campaign had no immediate comment on the statement.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/28/mccain_endorsement_angers_cath.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/us/politics/05catholic.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin
Have McCain tell you he was Mr. Oversight and Mr. Pro-reg when it came to the financial market. If you buy that then I have some cheap land to sell you. We don't need another dullard, we need some one with some brains to head lead America on the right path.
Ayers, an extremist and many more. Obama is not a Muslim or an Extremist, but a man is known by the company he keeps. Obama is simply a socialist, with a hiddgen agenda for America. His denials are too little, too late, to prevent the long term associations with these extemists.
Delores, you are quite right. "The Church" has lost its' way, and as is proven here, has succumbed to the disgusting narcissism of a disgusting Society...and the LIE of "progressivism."
He has taught those, with Discernment, on the way they should go. Those who believe that they can manipulate His Word to fit their selfish and perverted World-View are Lost...as is "the church."
These are two things that many of us Catholics agree on, irrespective of our "religion."
Here is the irrelevant World Net Daily scoops so far for 2008.
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* In an interview that made world headlines and became a major theme in the 2008 presidential campaign, Ahmed Yousuf, Hamas' top political adviser in the Gaza Strip, told WND's Aaron Klein he "hopes" Obama becomes president and he compared the Illinois senator to John F. Kennedy.
* In a well-circulated article credited by The Nation magazine and CBS News with starting a "smear campaign" against Obama, WND's Aaron Klein first reported Obama sat on the board of a nonprofit organization as a paid director alongside William Ayers, a confessed domestic terrorist. WND also reported the nonprofit granted funding to a controversial Arab group run by controversial Columbia University professor Rashud Khalidi and that Khalidi – a harsh critic of Israel – held a fundraiser for Obama.
* WND quoted Israeli security officials expressing concern about Robert Malley, an ancillary adviser to Sen. Barack Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group. One month later, Malley resigned from Obama's campaign amid reports he held talks with Hamas.
* Sen. Barack Obama has spoken at fundraisers for Palestinians living in what the United Nations terms refugee camps and has raised money for Islamic causes, WND exposed.
* The New Black Panther Party, an anti-American government, anti-white and virulently anti-Semitic black supremacist organization, endorsed Obama on the presidential candidate's own campaign website, WND reported.
* Sen. Barack Obama's controversial Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America's Declaration of Independence.
* Following the controversy surrounding his former spiritual adviser Rev. Jeremiah Wright, WND reported Sen. Barack Obama has been linked to another controversial pastor, this time a declared spiritual adviser – James Meeks – who has called white American mayors "slave masters," and referred to black preachers and politicians who "protect" the "white man" as "house n-ggers."
* Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church published an open letter from a Palestinian activist that labels Israel an "apartheid" regime and claims the Jewish state worked on an "ethnic bomb" that kills "blacks and Arabs."
* Merrill A. McPeak, Sen. Barack Obama's military adviser and national campaign co-chairman, implied U.S. politicians are afraid of Jewish voters in Miami and New York City and that American Jews are the "problem" impeding a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. McPeak, a former Air Force chief of staff, also compared the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations to what he described as religious radicals in Oregon and claimed "born-again [Christians]" supported the war in Iraq to help Israel.
* Evidence is accumulating that Barack Obama is an equal opportunity plagiarist, readily borrowing some of the catchiest lines in his campaign speeches and ads from a variety of literary, movie, political and popular sources, all without giving credit or attribution to the original source, WND revealed.
* In his autobiographical book "Dreams from My Father," Barack Obama paints a heroic picture of his father as having emerged from a poor Kenyan village, where he was nothing more than a simple goat herder, to become a Harvard-educated economist, destined to return to Africa to fulfill his promise.
* In truth, Barack Obama senior, Obama's father, was an alcoholic and polygamist who had already abandoned one wife and child in Africa when he met Obama's mother in Hawaii.
* Barack Obama had extensive ties with extreme anti-American elements, including agents of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA, in Hawaii and Chicago, according to two new reports released yesterday in Washington, D.C., by two experienced internal security investigators.
* In a widely-referenced article, WND reported Ottis Moss, the new pastor at the Trinity United Church of Christ, has called blacks "lepers" with a "skin disease," claimed U.S. entertainment corporations operate with "disdain" for black people, and in a fiery sermon claimed retired pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright was "lynched" by the media and compared the embattled pastor to Jesus. Moss, by Obama as a "wonderful young pastor," also refused to deny claims by Wright that the U.S. government was involved in distributing illegal drugs to minorities or spreading the AIDS virus to blacks.
* WND then reported Moss referenced a rap song during one of his recent sermons that includes among its lyrics "F--- America" and states the U.S. is "still with triple K" – referring to the white supremacist Ku Klux Klan.
WND reported Sen. Barack Obama's face several times graced the cover of Trumpet Magazine, an anti-American publication run by his longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., appearing on one issue alongside Nation of Islam chief Louis Farrakhan.
* Issues of Wright's Trumpet magazine reportedly have suggested America was guilty of genocide in Africa, decried the Fourth of July as the "national holiday of the dominant culture," referred to America as a "diaspora" for blacks, repudiated American patriotism and entertained suggestions the Bush administration knew about the 9-11 attacks before they were carried out.
* WND was first to bring national attention to Obama supporter Father Michael Pfleger, a white Roman Catholic priest of a mostly black church in Chicago who has links to Nation of Islam chief Louis Farrakhan and an apparently low level of tolerance for the 2nd Amendment.
* Before the national media grabbed the story, WND was the first to report Chicago Catholic pastor Michael Pfleger, a declared close associate and spiritual adviser of Sen. Barack Obama, said in a sermon at Obama's former church that Sen. Hillary Clinton cried in public because she thought being white entitled her to the Democratic presidential nomination. Pfleger implied Clinton was a white supremacist who believed she would win the nomination because of "white entitlement."
* The next day, WND exclusively revealed David Axelrod, Sen. Barack Obama's chief political strategist, sits on the finance committee of the Chicago church led by controversial pastor Michael Pfleger.
* Digging up previous speeches seemingly ignored by the media, WND found Sen. Barack Obama numerous times declared the U.S. is "no longer a Christian nation" but is also a nation of others, including Muslims and nonbelievers.
* A blog posting on Sen. Barack Obama's official campaign site urged Americans to take action to secure the release of imprisoned terrorist fundraiser Sami Al-Arian, comparing the controversial former professor to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. The posting is just a sampling of a large volume of racist, anti-Semitic and pro-Palestinian rhetoric published on the user-friendly MyObama community blog pages.
* The Internet posting of a photograph of Democratic presidential primary frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama in what has been described as "Muslim" clothing during a visit to Kenya has drawn the typical political accusations and denials. But it's also raised questions about Obama's links to Kenya, which has Muslim neighbors on several fronts, and was home to Obama's father.
* "Is this a messianic movement? A cult of personality? Or just good ol' fashioned politics?" Those are the questions an Internet blog called "Is Barack Obama the Messiah?" began with one year ago. By simply highlighting media reports since then – including WND's account of an Obama rally in Seattle – the website has captured the wave of euphoria that has followed the Democratic senator's remarkable rise to the brink of the party's presidential nomination.
* The creator of that satirical blog that asks whether Barack Obama is the "messiah" says he has a serious purpose, hoping the mainstream media will "work through its childish infatuation" with the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination.
* In February, WND quoted Jordanian and Israeli security officials stating Syria, aided by Russia and Iran, in recent months had been furiously acquiring rockets and missiles, including projectiles capable of hitting the entire state of Israel. Several weeks after the WND report, Israel's Shin Bet Security Services released the same information to the Knesset.
* In spite of denials by the Israeli government, behind-the-scenes Israeli-Palestinian talks include negotiations aimed at dividing Jerusalem, WND first reported. Later, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzippy Livni admitted Jerusalem is being discussed.
* It was Jimmy Carter, not Hamas, who first requested a meeting scheduled that took place in April with the terrorist group, Hamas' spokesman in Gaza, Fawzi Barhoum, told WND.
* Israel should give up its nuclear weapons to ensure Iran halts its illicit nuclear program, argues Joseph Cirincione, an adviser on nuclear issues to Sen. Barack Obama. Cirincione also previously dismissed reports Israel's Sept. 6 airstrike targeted a Syrian nuclear reactor as "nonsense" and called Damascus' nuclear program "miniscule."
* WND first reported a new elite, U.S.-trained and financed police unit of the Palestinian Authority was failing to fight terrorism and was running scared from their missions. Weeks later, the same story was reported by the Jerusalem Post and Israel's leading daily, Yediot Aharonot.
* WND was first to report on the food shortages sweeping the globe. From India to Africa to North Korea to Pakistan and even in New York City, higher grain prices, fertilizer shortages and rising energy costs are combining to spell hunger for millions in what is being characterized as a global "silent famine."
* WND blew the lid off the safety debate over public water treatments by reporting on the growing and fierce opposition to plans to fluoridate public drinking water, fueled by a battery of shocking new studies that seriously question a practice routine among U.S. municipalities for nearly the last 50 years.
* After three years of clandestine development, a Georgia company went public with a simple, natural way to convert anything that grows out of the Earth into oil. "What we're doing is taking the trash like corn stalks, corn husks, corn cobs – even grass from the yard that goes to the dump – that's what we can turn into oil," J.C. Bell told WND.
* A month later, WND reported how the biggest names in the national media were possibly burying this potential solution to skyrocketing gas prices and America's long-term energy security.
* Will Jesus Christ return to Earth in the year 2015? And can studying NASA's website provide evidence for such a scenario? A minister who promotes the Old Testament roots of Christianity suggested a rare string of lunar and solar eclipses said to fall on God's annual holy days could herald what's come to be known as the "Second Coming" of Jesus.
* Two thousand years after Jesus walked the Earth, WND provided one of the most in-depth, comprehensive news reports ever about the battle Christians were having over one of the Ten Commandments, the one focusing on the Sabbath.
* In January, a new, cutting-edge, political TV show challenged Islam with biting humor, placing the face of the prophet Muhammad onto a cookie and then having it eaten on camera. The same day, WND broke the story of how the show was being censored by a national television network.
* Internet giant Google again came under fire for its apparent snub of Memorial Day, but the company's biggest competition, Yahoo, displayed a holiday-oriented logo featuring military dog tags and a purple heart.
* Many Americans are suspicious of the Federal Reserve, ascribing all sorts of monetary disasters and evil motives to it. But what a surprise when WND revealed that none other than Ben Bernanke himself, the Fed's current chairman, explicitly admits that the Federal Reserve caused the worst financial disaster in U.S. history – the Great Depression.
* WND was the first to reveal how a new plan by a California lawmaker would allow schools to be used to promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, and let teachers in public district classrooms "inculcate in the mind of any pupil a preference for communism," according to a traditional values advocacy organization.
* A Second Amendment advocacy organization asked the Bush administration to withdraw a legal brief that leaders fear could be used to support "any gun ban – no matter how sweeping," as long as some court somewhere determines it is "reasonable."
* WND reported about a middle school textbook used in California and other states that describes an Islamic "jihad" as a means of doing good works.
* A family in western Colorado was stunned when nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team punched a hole in their front door and invaded their home with guns drawn, demanding their son go to the hospital after suffering an accidental fall.
* The nation's homeschooling advocates were shocked when WND broke the story of how a California court ruled that several children in one homeschool family must be enrolled in a public school or "legally qualified" private school, and must attend that school.
* A California proposal granted power authorities control of home temperatures while denying consumers ability to override settings during "emergency events." Thermostats equipped with a radio communication microchips were to be installed in every newly constructed home. In less than one week following WND's report, the California Energy Commission made the program purely voluntary and dropped mandatory requirements.
* WND was first to report hundreds of graphic homosexual images and an FBI investigation into child pornography on Wikipedia, the popular online encyclopedia.
* WND exposed a Bakersfield, Calif., drug treatment facility's policy showing favoritism to illegals with multiple DUIs and allowing them to have their driving privileges reinstated. Many of the alien offenders were unable to read.
* Groundbreaking scientific research reported by WND revealed a possible link between Morgellons disease – a disfiguring illness that can make sufferers believe worms are crawling under their skin – and a type of bacteria called Agrobacterium used in genetic engineering of plants and causing tumors in vegetation.
* WND led the U.S. media coverage of photographic evidence in Pakistan showing Benazir Bhutto was assassinated by a gunman close to the car she was in.
* A video of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto provides additional visual evidence the former prime minister was killed by pistol shots fired by an assailant in the crowd, fueling suspicions President Musharraf has engineered a cover-up to hide government involvement in the political killing.
* Mounting video evidence in the probe of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto has forced the Pakistani government to and ask Scotland Yard to investigate, while critics tie the murder weapon to the army's Special Services Group, WND reported.
* In January, WND broke the story of how political futures markets projected Sen. John McCain as the favorite to win the GOP nomination.
* WND leads the national media coverage, in 2007 and 2008, of the DOT plan to allow Mexican trucks to cross the border in defiance of Congress cutting off funds.
* The real 2007 federal budget deficit was $4 trillion, not a previously reported $163 billion, an economist contends, based on data from the Treasury Department's annual financial report.
* U.S. Treasuries should be downgraded to junk bond status, not given a "triple-A" government rating, economist John Williams told WND, supporting a warning issued by Moody's last week that the credit rating of the U.S. government may be plunging in the next decade.
* WND broke the story of how Six U.S. senators and 49 House members are advisers for a group working toward a Transatlantic Common Market between the U.S. and the European Union by 2015.
* Robert Pastor – the American University professor whose writings have championed the creation of a North American Community – has resigned his position in the school's Office of International Affairs amid a reorganization that has dismantled many of his key programs, WND reported.
* As WND reported, the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, or GATA, claims the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury are surreptitiously manipulating the country's gold reserves by participating in undisclosed leases, according to an advance copy WND obtained of the ad running in the Wall Street Journal. And U.S. central banks may have less than half the gold they claim to possess in their vaults, charges a watchdog group.
* Sovereign Wealth Funds in six Persian Gulf countries – including Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar – have now amassed $1.7 trillion, positioning them for attempts to control major banks and securities firms in the U.S.
* A scientific study of the hydrogen-rich fluids venting at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in the Lost City Hydrothermal Field presents new evidence supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is a natural product the Earth that generates constantly rather than a "fossil fuel" derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.
* Critics say a plan to lease the N.J. Parkway mirrors the NAFTA superhighway plan. New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, a Democrat, is proposing a variation of the "public-private partnerships," being implemented in other parts of the country and according to critics a danger to the sovereignty of the U.S., as a solution for the state's expected $3 billion budget deficit, the biggest after California and New York.
* The International Monetary Fund says it plans to sell gold from its reserves, and the announcement at the Group of Seven (G7) meeting in Tokyo confirmed those moves could come as early as April, WND was first to report.
* President Bush has admonished those attending a meeting of Conservative Political Action Committees that conservatives should support the Republican Party's nominee, an apparent signal by the GOP establishment that those in the "big tent" should support Sen. John McCain as the presumptive winner of the party's presidential nomination.
* As Sen. John McCain assumes the GOP front-runner mantle, his long-standing, but little-noticed association with donors such as George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry is receiving new attention among his Republican critics.
* An expert is warning that Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign could be vulnerable to concerns over reports of influence peddling that have been dogging the senator for years.
* New data: Maybe oil isn’t from dead dinos – WND reports on new scientific data from Saturn’s moon Titan which indicates more hydrocarbons than all of Earth's known reserves.
* A new report from the Federal Reserve has confirmed the non-borrowed reserves of U.S. banks plummeted to a negative $18 billion at a recent accounting, reflecting an apparently worsening situation from the negative $8.8 billion reported at the end of January.
* An investigative author says George Soros used Sen. John McCain to push for limits on issue advertising by grassroots groups because he was upset over the cataclysmic failure of Hillarycare, the all-encompassing government health care program proposed during Bill Clinton's first term as president. The author told WND that Soros later funded the senator's Reform Institute because of their work together on the McCain-Feingold Act.
* John McCain has asserted his opposition to Russian President Vladimir Putin a number of times, however, his opposition, is being called into question by links that have been established in various reports between McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, and Ukrainian billionaire Oleg Deripaska, who is suspected of having ties to organized Russian crime.
* In a ceremony that received virtually no attention in the American media, the United States and Canada signed a military agreement allowing the armed forces from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a domestic civil emergency, even one that does not involve a cross-border crisis.
* John McCain's personal fortune traces back to organized crime in Arizona, through his father-in-law, according to a report published by a multi-news agency team called Investigative Reporters and Editors Inc.
* A video clip widely circulated on the Internet shows a test that pulverized an F-4 fighter on impact with a hardened target, providing evidence to answer 9/11 skeptics who question why so little identifiable airplane debris remained after the hijacked American Airlines Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.
* Sen. John McCain has enjoyed strong support from a lobbyist group that backs the Kosovo Liberation Army despite allegations the KLA is a Muslim terrorist group with ties to criminal drug networks and al-Qaida.
* Global warming is a natural process, not likely the result of human activities, argued more than 100 internationally prominent environmental scientists in papers presented at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change, which was held in New York City.
* The controversial Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, or SPP, continues closed-door meetings with business leaders while the heads of state of the U.S., Mexico and Canada now openly urge them to launch a public relations campaign to counter growing criticism of the trilateral cooperative some fear is a step toward a North American Union.
* WND took readers inside the hush-hush North American Union Confab, a largely unreported meeting held at the State Department where there were discussions about the integration of the U.S., Mexico and Canada in concert with a move toward a transatlantic union, linking a North American community with the European Union.
* Mexican truck drivers allowed to travel throughout the U.S. under a Bush administration demonstration project may not be proficient in English. In fact, the head of the Department of Transportation admitted to a senate panel that Mexican drivers were being designated at the border as "proficient in English" even though they could explain U.S. traffic signs only in Spanish.
* A shale formation stretching North Dakota and Montana may have an estimated 3 to 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil, according to a U.S. Geological Survey assessment.
* During a private cocktail party last night sponsored by the New Orleans Chamber of Commerce, President Bush and Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez openly proclaimed their determination to continue with the controversial Security and Prosperity Partnership, a trilateral alliance critics calls a precursor to a "North American Union."
* Unemployment rates are rising across the United States, except in Oklahoma. That state is experiencing the most dramatic reduction in unemployment since 2007, an improvement many in Oklahoma attribute to the passage last year by the state legislature of a strong employment-focused immigration reform law.
* The U.S. military today plays a little-recognized role fighting the drug war in support of federal law enforcement agencies along the border with Mexico, WND reported.
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In essence, you are telling people they aren't good or true Catholics unless they vote a certain way. And you're not even Catholic.
It's totally inappropriate, in my opinion -- almost as bad as ministers telling their congregations they're not Christians unless they vote a certain way.
People should vote as they see fit. Their relationship with God is a private matter.
Religious knowledge can be ammended, and the Catholic church is clearly out of touch with the science and politics of our day. Fortunately, my family believes that God gave us brains in order to figure such things out.
I think people while religion, or lack of religion may be a factor in a choice I think you should look at more than that, hwere they stand on the issues, can they deliver what they are promising to deliver?
Mooch
During a private cocktail party last night sponsored by the New Orleans Chamber of Commerce, President Bush and Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez openly proclaimed their determination to continue with the controversial Security and Prosperity Partnership, a trilateral alliance critics calls a precursor to a "North American Union."
This is the scariest thing of all. I have reams of information of this and related organizations. This is the real reason that I want no part of either party and why I have joined The Libertarian Party.
Or since you think you are saved by grace, you can do anything you damn well please? Just wondering.
Re: "Religious knowledge can be ammended"
I hope I can be in the room when you discuss that concept with God. I'm betting he's not going to buy it!!
Re "The Catholic church, responsible for more death on the planet earth...."
Spoken from the narrow perspective of a western educated anti religious dogma totally oblivious to what the rest of the world is involved in. To wit; The Mongolian Conquest slaughtering over 40 million people and in our parents memories in the 2oth century Joesph Stalin slaughtering 20 million of his own people to cite two examples that dwarf the bloodiest Church sponsored violence of the Crusades. Don't think any of those deaths at the hands of the Mongols or Stalin were related to the Catholic church! You need to get a better grasp of history.
If you yourself are not a Catholic, then why are you worrying who they should or should not vote for?
And Delores, don't play the "Don't look at me" card. Your intent with this post was obvious. You wanted to try t use scare tactics to scare Catholics into voting for McCain. Because the Republicans have nothing left but scare tactics.
Adultry is a sin, too, Delores. How many "good" Catholic men do you know that receive forgiveness from the confessional booth every week after a quick trist with a "good" Catholic woman who just happens to be confessing the same sin in the confessional booth down the street? McCain is going to hell, for certain. He's an adulterer who doesn't have the convenience of being forgiven by a Catholic priest. "Bearing false witness" is another sin. As a child, when I told a lie, my mother washed my mouth out with soap. Are Catholics lining up to pray for John McCain's forgiveness for telling lies?
Your post states "There was a report that Catholics were divided on who to vote for." You didn't supply the link to that "report", Delores. Was it in the same Sunday flyer published in your Catholic parrish that also lists the movies you shouldn't see? Or how short your daughter should wear a skirt? How many Catholics have taken their 14-year old daughter into an abortion clinic but were forgiven the following week AND took communion on Sunday?
Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone, Delores.
If you want to throw religion into this campaign ~ and see the religious reasons why no Catholic or any other Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist or agnostic follower should avoid voting for McCain ~ I would encourage you to do some research on his running mate.
I'll give you a D- for your post, Delores. At least you didn't write "Obama in a Muslim".
“Abortion Issue Again Dividing Catholic Votes” (front page, Sept. 17) says the bishops’ statement “Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship” would “explicitly allow Catholics to vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights if they do so for other reasons.”
Actually, the bishops said candidates who promote fundamental moral evils such as abortion are cooperating in a grave evil, and Catholics may never vote for them to advance those evils.
A Catholic voter’s decision to support a candidate despite that gravely immoral position “would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil.”
This standard of “grave moral reasons” is a very high standard to meet. The bishops added that “a candidate’s position on a single issue that involves an intrinsic evil, such as support for legal abortion or the promotion of racism, may legitimately lead a voter to disqualify a candidate from receiving support.” This is timely in light of offensive comments on race quoted in the article.
What the article calls the “running debate between Catholics” — with some saying “abortion is the only issue” and others saying “you have to look at the whole teaching of the church” — is not a dilemma for the bishops. One must look at the whole teaching of the church on justice and peace, serving the poor and advancing the common good — beginning with a fundamental priority on protecting innocent human life from direct attack as in abortion.
(Bishop) William Murphy
(Bishop) Nicholas DiMarzio
Brooklyn, Sept. 19, 2008
The writers, the bishops of Rockville Centre and Brooklyn, are chairman and former chairman, respectively, of the Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
It would take more time than what I've got to address all of your quotes from Worldnet daily, but the bottom line is this: it's got the same relationship to a real news source that the Onion has to CSPAN.
Why are opposing views always related as scare tactics to liberal leaning people. Can it be that they are so intolerant that they refuse to even discuss alternitive positions? Sounds a little close minded to me.
I'm sorry, telling people they will go to Hell if they vote for Obama sounded like a scare tactic to me. One can't debate issues with people who use God and the threat of eternal damnation as their base of logic.
Well its nice to know what scares you. Why can't one debate issues with people who use God as a basis of logic. Non believers expect believers to debate issues with them based on their logic what ever it is. Isn't a debate a two way street or is your position more evidence of close minded intolerance?
I don't plan on voting for either candidate of the corruption parties.
The Constitution Party is looking better all the time.
Well in war its always either religion, ecomomics or resources. I would summit in reference to your "point" that all tricks political know party lines.
I don't watch CSPAN and I don't know what the ONION is. I find it irrelevant.
FYI:
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WorldNetDaily.com has broken some of the biggest, most significant and most notable investigative and enterprising stories in recent years. See "WND Scoops" for a comprehensive list of major WorldNetDaily exclusive reports that first saw the light of day in these pages.
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Apparently a lot of people would disagree with your assumption that WND is not a REAL news source.
If a person is pro-life how can they vote for a candidate that says he doesn't know when life begins?
Barack Hussein Obama won't admit when he believes life begins, because it is "above his pay grade." It appears he supports infanticide.
If a candidate can't answer a simple question of when life begins that has a clear scientific and theological answer how can we trust him to make tough life and death decisions about sending our service men and women into harms way knowing some will likely not come back alive? Would not this also be above his pay grade?
I don't talk to God, but I do have an ongoing Gather discussion on religion that has logged over 1300 comments. There are two rules in my discussion, though-- no judging and no preaching.
Neither an egg nor a sperm have all the genetic information to form a human baby.
"Dr. Matthew Roth, a principal research associate at Harvard said, "It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception, when egg and sperm join to form the zygote, and this developing human always is a member of our species in all stages of its life."" -http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977427064&grpId=3659174697246507&nav=Groupspace
Do I care about when Obama thinks life begins, no! I have my own beliefs and I will stick with them. Do I care about how Obama will fix our Country, gosh darn it, you betcha!
It seems your willing to ignore the wisdom of science and theology because it may hinder your own prosperity. Your willing to hold on to your beliefs about life even if they are wrong. You're not willing to expose yourself to the fact that abortion kills human life because your comfort, your well-being is your first priority. Even if you doubt the science and theology that says life begins at conception, should we not give life the benefit of doubt?
It's thinking or should I say lack of thinking that says we don't know when life begins which causes infanticide, child abuse, and increase cases of babies found in trash cans.
We need government leaders who believe all human life is sacred no matter what stage of life they are in.
Some respect for life there.
Your response is typical of pro-abortionists who don't want to face the reality of baby killings.
And I suppose it would be better if we just allow Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to wipe Israel off the map and destroy the United States. Or do you really think Barack H. Obama can bore Ahmadinejad to death with diplomacy and "peace" talks? Mahmound Ahmadinejad is working towards the world's abortion of Jews and Americans on a mass scale. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities may not be a bad idea.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977476105&grpId=3659174697241980&nav=Groupspace
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all the news contrived with that coo-coo christian neo nazi spin 24/7..
gack!