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by Col. George W.
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May 18, 2007

FEDERAL JUDGE TO HEAR CASE OF OBAMA'S ELIGABILITY TO BE PRESIDENT.

October 21, 2009 12:18 AM EDT
views: 257 | rating: 5.2/10 (15 votes) | comments: 139

Looks like Obama has a problem on his hands.  A federal court is finally going to hear the case against him re his eligibility to be our president.  I think it is about time the questions were settled.  Now is the time for Obama to okay the release of any and all documents that show his birth and citizenship.  There was a statement that the judge will hear the case in Janurary.

 

 

From The Desk Of Gary G. Kreep

Dear Concerned Friend,

Barack Obama is sweating it out after his Department of Justice ("DOJ") attorneys walked into court expecting United States Federal District Court Judge David Carter to dismiss the birth certificate case. Why you ask? Simply because they "think" Obama is President. Their arguments were hollow and unconvincing. and after hearing hours of argument, the Judge Carter "took the matter under submission." He has still not issued a ruling, 10 days later!

Is The President Above The Law and the Courts?

DOJ attorneys tried to explain to the Judge that no Court in the United States had the jurisdiction to rule on whether Barack Hussein Obama was eligible to serve as President of the United States? In their view he could only be impeached and/or disqualified from the Office of President under the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

NOT TRUE! USJF pointed out to the Court that both the impeachment statutes, and the 25th Amendment required a sitting President, but if Mr. Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he could not be, and never was, a sitting President, so those options for removal could not apply. Therefore the courts would have jurisdiction.



Monday, October 5, 2009, , at 8:30 a.m., in California, was a critical milestone for our entire legal and public relations effort to force Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate and to prove whether he is eligible to serve as President of the United States. And with your support USJF was able to be there to argue the case.

The case has an excellent chance to survive the Department of Justice ("DOJ") motion to dismiss what has proven to be the best chance for America to have a hearing on the merits of this critical Constitutional issue.

What happened that day in Court? It's very simple—the DOJ attorneys brought up every argument that they could to try to persuade the Court to dismiss this case

USJF provided sound legal arguments against the DOJ legal theories; otherwise the whole case could have been over right then and there! The USJF oral arguments will be the difference between this case surviving or being dismissed.

The Judge raised issues critical to our case:

1. Did Senators question the eligibility of Mr. Obama? (Only Senators Coburn and Shelby and a number of House members.)

2. Were objections made by Members of Congress when the vote of the Electoral College was certified? (NO, then Vice-President Cheney had not performed his required duty of asking for objections, so there could have been none raised.)

DOJ attorneys argued that only Congress, and/or the Electoral College, could decide on the eligibility of Mr. Obama. Fortunately, the USJF legal team filed pleadings pointing out that the DOJ legal arguments in this regard WERE WRONG! And, I was there to argue against those claims.

People at the hearing and those who have found out what happened there since have been contacting USJF, thanking us for standing up for the truth!

But the fight is not over yet! We expect a ruling from the Court any day now. If we defeat the dismissal motion, then we're immediately filing pleadings ("discovery") seeking Mr. Obama's birth certificate, his college records, and so much more. AND, we'll be seeking to depose Mr. Obama ASAP!

And if the Court grants the motion to dismiss, we'll be immediately filing an appeal of the decision!

But we can only do this if we have your financial support!

Judge Carter has set a trial date of January 26, 2010 in this case. To keep that date, we need to defeat the DOJ dismissal motion, and then, IMMEDIATELY, move right into the discovery phase discussed above. BUT THAT WILL BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND WE WILL NEED TO:

  • Retain attorneys in Washington, D. C., to take the Obama deposition.
  • Retain attorneys in Hawaii to take the deposition of those in control of the Obama birth records and school records.
  • Take the deposition of Occidental, College officials to obtain Obama school records
  • We will have to retain attorneys in Massachusetts to take the deposition of Harvard. Law School officials to obtain Obama school records.
  • Pay the cost of the court reporters for all of these depositions. Plus,
  • Pay the cost of serving the subpoenas on the various witnesses.



We expect the DOJ, as well as Mr. Obama's private attorneys, to fight us every step of the way! Obama attorneys will file motions to block the depositions in each and every state, and the District of Columbia by the Obama defense team!

WE WILL NEED MORE HELP TO:

  • Question the issue of the passport files of Mr. Obama! We're going to be going after the records of how he traveled abroad without a United States Passport in the 1980's, as he admits doing.
  • Question the issue of his alleged adoption by his step-father in Indonesia! We'll be seeking records about that also!
  • Resolve questions about his Selective Service files! We'll be seeking records concerning that also!

But, first, we have to get past the DOJ dismissal motion!

The DOJ's motion to dismiss also claims that our clients have no "standing," that the Federal Court does not have "jurisdiction" to hear this case, and that the matter is "political."

But, if we as citizens of the United States have no "standing" to verify the citizenship of the man occupying the White House, who does? If our Federal Courts have no jurisdiction to hear this case, who does? It's not a "political" question, it's a CONSTITUTIONAL question!

Last November, people said we were crazy to pursue this issue. Now, we've been shown to be right in our pursuit of the truth. It's not just the original birth certificate that they're refusing to release. Barack Obama's legal team has spent, according to published reports, over $1.4 million dollars so far to STOP anyone from seeing ANY of his actual identification documents, and many other documents.

WHAT is Barack Obama trying to hide? WHAT is he afraid of? WHY doesn't he just release these documents to prove he is a natural-born citizen and therefore qualified to be president -- especially his actual birth certificate?

When Barack Obama officially entered the office of President, he became, in essence, a "pretender to the throne." According to the Constitution, only a "natural born citizen" can occupy the presidency.

Even though he was sworn in on January 20, 2009, Barack Obama is NOT legally the President of the United States, unless he can prove that he is a "natural born citizen."

What's more, every action taken by him while he occupies the White House may be invalid. If he cannot legally be President, every law passed by Congress will be null and void because the Constitution clearly requires that all laws be signed by the President... and, without a legally elected and sworn in President in office, that becomes an impossibility.

This crisis must be ended! And it must be ended NOW!

 

And that's just what we're fighting to do. The United States Justice Foundation is spearheading a campaign to protect the United States Constitution... and your liberty.

We have to press our case to stop Barack Obama from, apparently, illegally holding the Presidency, despite the ongoing threats against us. We are speaking of filing additional lawsuits and administrative actions, over and above the dozens already filed, if you will help us today.

Are you willing to see the Constitution shredded by the Left? Will you sit back and do nothing while a foreign-born person may be illegally occupying the White House as President of the United States?

Our country is on the fast track to disaster... but you can help us keep the situation from getting worse. I pray that I'll hear from you today.

Sincerely,

Gary Kreep, Executive Director
United States Justice Foundation

P.S. This is the biggest political cover-up in American history! It would be so simple to release the documents to PROVE Obama is a natural-born citizen… IF THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTS!

America has never before faced such a threat. Everything we hold dear is at risk with Barack Obama sitting as President without him releasing his actual birth certificate, plus the dozens of other documents that he refuses to produce.

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Comments: 139

Lori F. Oct 21, 2009, 12:21am EDT
I should have just stayed away from this.

He was elected by a majority.

He has shown his birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. Hawaiin officials have confirmed it.

His mother was a citizen.

I dont want to hear the people who are supporting this nonsense ever bitch about the way money is spent friviously again. This is BS and not only a waste of the presidents time but it also a waste of courts time and a huge waste of money.

Do you think this happens for free?

Sheryl L. Oct 21, 2009, 12:28am EDT
His mother is an american citizen so even if he was born in a diff country he is still an american citizen. I looked up the citizen laws once and they stated that exact thing. You don't have to be born in the states as long as one parent is a citizen.

So stop beating a dead horse already!
Sheryl L. Oct 21, 2009, 12:28am EDT
I don't mean you Lori, just claifying what you said above.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 12:32am EDT
It seems not everyone agrees with either of you Sheryl and Lori. Now maybe we will all know for sure. The item I got today said that if he is found to be uneledgable the whole election would be null and void. What a mess that would be.
Elsie C. Oct 21, 2009, 11:26am EDT
Looks like they're just looking for money. You send yours yet, Col? This looks like your worthy cause. After all it's better to spend your money on something like this than it would be to better our health system, which you don't believe in.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:22pm EDT
It costs a lot of money to get somethng like this to court Elsie. They don't have the Fed to print them all they want like the defendant. IF I sent them money what business would that be of yours?
Rude D. Oct 21, 2009, 2:51pm EDT
It is our biz cuz the DOJ could be out hunting "patriots" who want to bomb a government building in Oklahoma.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 4:11pm EDT
Relax Rude, I don't even want to go to Oklahoma, escpcially Oklahoma City. Too many people.
Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Oct 21, 2009, 5:59pm EDT
Freeking morons .
Obama is the president fair and square.
Didn't even have to have his brother give him Florida.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 10:06pm EDT
Well I guess that will have to be proven in a court of law Don. It should be an intesting trial. I hope it's broadcast.
Jeff H. Oct 22, 2009, 12:00am EDT
I agree with Sheryl. Obama's mother was an American which makes any kid she has an American. I DON'T believe that foreigners who jump a fence and breed like rats are multiplying Americans. Obama is an American.
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''The One & Only BERF" .. Oct 21, 2009, 12:34am EDT
Here's a link to some more ammo, Colonel...........

CLICK HERE AND CHOOSE A SITE....ANY SITE.......
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:13am EDT
Plaintiff: Courts must hear eligibility arguments
12 hours ago - A plaintiff in one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be ... The ultimate questions remain unaddressed to date: Is Obama a natural born ...
www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable... - Similar

Here is the important part: Under the schedule ordered by the judge the final pretrial conference is scheduled Jan. 11, 2010, while the jury trial is Jan. 26, 2010.

Linda A. Oct 21, 2009, 9:26am EDT
Berf - I posted this also, would you please visit and leave these links also.
The more we get this info out there, the more ammo we have and can laugh right back.
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Kristi C. Oct 21, 2009, 12:36am EDT
Hasn't this already been tried back in March and the case was thrown out?
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''The One & Only BERF" .. Oct 21, 2009, 12:53am EDT
If the case was thrown out, then it wasn't tried........
Kristi C. Oct 21, 2009, 1:18am EDT
Let me rephrase. It has already been attempted (three times) to claim Obama is not an American Citizen in Federal court and the cases were thrown out because he IS an American Citizen and HAS provided the evidence to the proper officials.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:30am EDT
Those cases were thrown out because of a claim the plaintiff had no standing. They finally found a judge who read the law. Obama's legal council tried the same tactic this time and the judge told them they were wrong because he knows the law. This is something that must be settled in Court, eventually by the SCOTUS.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 12:24pm EDT
Let's wait and see what the court says. If that is the same birth certificate released earlier it was proven to be a fake. There are too many false documents floating around on both sides of this controversy.
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Dan R. Oct 21, 2009, 12:46am EDT
Col. you know the Libs don't want this tried, because of how weak his stand is. The thing they keep forgetting, is that she was under age when she had Obama, so the law does not cover her, if Obama was born in Kenya.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:36am EDT
The judge could find he has dual citizenship through his father and is therefore not eledgable simply because of that too. Even if he was born in Hawaii that could be the case. When a citizen gives birth in a foreign nation they aquire dual citizenship under our law and I believe under the law of the UK.
Dan R. Oct 21, 2009, 2:02am EDT
Dual citizenship could be through either father, or his Godfather, Davis, the man who his mother had teach him about Communism. I still find it odd, that the only country that has people that think Obama is a US Born citizen, is in the US, because most think he is a Kenyian born Citizen...
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 2:40am EDT
So it seems lately with all the news headlines that have cropped up.
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Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 1:02am EDT
It dosen't matter, not really it is very pathic and down right funny what the Dark Side will hold onto for hope and salvation. So Col. George did you send them some money to pursue the case? I hope you did. Tell us. did you put money to where you mouth is or let's just say your belife. Whatever the out come I think it will be great for America don't you, but will have to wait and see. So all the tready, laws sign if President Obama is removed, I'm sure he will appeal an applet ruling and send it to the surpreme court. I wonder how long that will take. Although he has been vetted by, the FBI, CIA,andthe NSA they haven't found any fault. So where did you say he was born I'm so confused, please tell me, if not in Hawaii, then where? If outside this country wouldn't there be a record of him as a baby in the government archive iof the mother and child entering into this country. So you are fair minded on this issue. Go ahead I'll keep an eye out for this revalation. Unbelieveable.......
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:16am EDT
Richard Exactly where did I say Obama was not eledgable? I posted the news and made NO comment one way or another other than to say it will finally be settled in court where it should be settled.

Learn to comprehend what you read and don't jump to conclusions.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:40am EDT
Richard, evidently Obama was never vetted by anyone, acording to the link I put up. They were too busy trying to prove McCain was not eledgable to look at Obama.
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Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 2:15am EDT
Hold now your telling me they were to busy to vet the man who has the code to call a nuiclear strike, sure, sound reasonable.......Are you kidding me, are you serious, you posted this nonsense. Either way you believe dosen't matter you put it out there, for what purpose?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 2:50am EDT
One article claims he was not vetted. I remember the flap about McCain dont you? Why Obama was not vetted I really don't know. You aint got no Ho Ho in you do you.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 12:40pm EDT
You ain't got knoe Ho Ho in you do you? what's does that mean, please explain. The other statement, "One article claims, what article? and Why Obama was not vetted" you don't know. That what I keep telling you Ciol. George W. you don't know Jack, do you. What do you know? Don't get weak now, respond, you are a patirot, stand up and be proud, what is that you know that we out here with common sense don't know.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 2:10pm EDT
IF you had been reading the links provided you would not have to ask such questions. IF you were interested in this you would follow the links and learn. However you seem to be more interested in argument than discussion.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 3:00pm EDT
You my link, can't defend it, huh! Thought so, like sreaming fire at the movies. Anyone can petition the court and bring suit if you have money and a lawyer, that is one of the freedoms we have in Amerixca, no matter how insane it might be. It having merit is another issue all together. But you go ahead put it on out there and claim ignorance. This is your nonsense not mine, paste or linked to another space, so claim it don't sutter in fear now, stand up and support your cause, let's hear more about your doubts. I know, "You can't handle the truth."
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 4:16pm EDT
CLICK HERE AND CHOOSE A SITE....ANY SITE....... If that don't work go back up to BERF's comment and click on it like you should have in the first place.

My cause? I just want the truth and have it all settled in court. I don't think that is too much to ask.
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Erik Kartman Oct 21, 2009, 2:24am EDT
You can add Kartman's name to the list of people who refuse to believe that Obama was ever born.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 2:41am EDT
Hey, maybe he was manufactured.
Erik Kartman Oct 21, 2009, 2:45am EDT
Did you know the word manure is in manufactured? Coincidence? I think not.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 3:00am EDT
Erik, are you saying politicians are MANUfactuREd, because they are full ot it? Interesting, hidden in Manufacture is a FACT and so is TRUE oh well
Dan R. Oct 21, 2009, 3:05am EDT
Maybe what he means is that Obama was manufactured out of manure, that was for a fact, true?
Erik Kartman Oct 21, 2009, 3:08am EDT
Like they always say, if the manure fits... wear it.
Thomas Shubnell Oct 21, 2009, 5:59am EDT
I know they spread it and we are all wearing it now, and it is going to get worse before it gets better.
Annmarie B. Oct 21, 2009, 9:49am EDT
I am surprised he actually did something on live tv instead of dance or smile.
sharon SugarMomma is a wise woman, Oct 21, 2009, 7:06pm EDT
OMG it's, it's PSYCHO EYES!!!! Run for your lives!!
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 10:21pm EDT
LOL that's a good one Sharon.
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Oct 21, 2009, 10:43am EDT
Time will tell.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:14pm EDT
Right Nippy, and we have almost 3 months to cuss and discuss it before it goes to court.
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Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 11:19am EDT
"Conspiracy theories are the easy answer for the weak minded"

Even the Intellectual Conservative says it's time to GROW UP!
Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 11:22am EDT
President Obama has provided more personal documentation than any president in history! How 'bout we UNSEAL former president Bush's Military Records and DUI Records!
Elsie C. Oct 21, 2009, 11:29am EDT
SHHH! Can't let the public in on all that stuff. It would be blasphemy.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:18pm EDT
Spartan, If what you say is true then there would be no case against him would there?
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Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 11:29am EDT
Why is it that when something critical of Obama comes up, you get "well Bush" or "Bush did this or Bush did that?"

That's just the problem Spartan, he has not provided the correct information evidently or there would be no court case now.
Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 12:43pm EDT
ummm....'cause Bush is a War Criminal, Chicken Hawk, Deserter and had ALL his personal records SEALED permanently? Once again, EVERYTHING you are posting is OLD news(?)! Our current PRESIDENT and COMMANDER IN CHIEF has been vetted more than ANY president in our history.

I sort of expect this kind of thing out of Linda (our Alex Jones of Gather), but NOT you, Colonel!
Dan R. Oct 21, 2009, 1:30pm EDT
Spartan, Bush had the documents opened, and the records made available. It is your constant liberal "Hide the facts" weak ploy that never see the truth. Second, VP Cheney never had the Electorial vote vetted like he was supposed to. Then you have the fact that Obama has spent over 900k trying to keep this out of court, with the Democrats helping him. And our current Conman in Chief is not vetted and never has been. The only people in the world that think Obama is a legit US Citizen is the Liberals in the US, no one else.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 2:32pm EDT
Unabashed liberal that I be, it's all true, true and we be taken over. Paranoia, don't you love it. The Dark Side is scared to death, oh joy, joy...in the morning, love to see em' squirm.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 3:51pm EDT
Richard, IF it turns out that the Birthers are right will you acknowledge it or claim foul play?
Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 10:00pm EDT
The Okie from Tulsa is misinformed or just a liar. Bush's records are SEALED in Daddy's Library at Texas A&M, never to see the light of day.
Col. George W. Oct 22, 2009, 12:11am EDT
Maybe you went to the wrong library Spatrin. This has nothing to do with Bush HW or Bush W. It has to do with the current person sitting in the White House. It happens the Bush library is in College Station Texas near Texas A&M, so is the Laura Bush library and research center.
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Mark N. Oct 21, 2009, 11:46am EDT
Come on guys it's as easy as googleing president Obama to get all the information you need on him. Oh that's write he's had all that internet info scrubed somehow now hasn't he. People like him don't usually do that to hide nothing. That costs some serious money.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:36pm EDT
Google him and you learn a lot about him but nothing substantual. There are big holes in his resume. Settling this thing should be easy for Obama, just release the information. That would cost maybe $100, not near a million to fight it.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 2:26pm EDT
But there is nothing to be settle, so what's the beef?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 3:26pm EDT
Evently there is or there would be no court date scheduled.
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Mark N. Oct 21, 2009, 11:52am EDT
Let's feature it Col. George to Purely Political
with many thanks for posting
Mark
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 1:31pm EDT
Thanks Mark.
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Sandi S. Oct 21, 2009, 12:33pm EDT
If it turned out to be true, would all the things he did as President be suddenly undone? I mean, what is the law on that? (If he suddenly came out and said he was born elsewhere, I mean. For the sake of the argument, what if he did that near the end of his term after many things had been passed, etc.)

Does anyone know?
Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Oct 21, 2009, 12:43pm EDT
There's no law on the subject. Even more interesting is that there's no legal definition of "natural born citizen" in statute or case law. The Kim Wong Ark case from the 1890s comes closest to a definition. The Supreme Court used British Common Law as a guideline there. Short answer from that case, if you're born in the US you're a citizen regardless of your parents' citizenship.
Dan R. Oct 21, 2009, 1:32pm EDT
The current laws that have been in the books for many years, he would have to tried for treason, his Presidency would be null and void as if he had never been there, and his signature would be revolked on everything he had done in Office.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 2:22pm EDT
Dan R. what ya smoking, wishing again are we? And Sarah Palin ex-gov. could have been a heart beat away, increditable. But keep on smoking that wicky weed, paranoia is the end result. LOL
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 3:22pm EDT
The election would be null and void Richard. Sarah has no dog in the fight Nice try though.
Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Oct 21, 2009, 6:06pm EDT
"The current laws that have been in the books for many years, "

Which law is that?
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Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 12:46pm EDT
IF you want a strict Constitutional ruling...Ronald Reagan was NOT a legal President (just to name one), since our Constitution states that "you must be a resident of one of the original colonies! ROTFLMAO
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 2:20pm EDT
No Spartan it does not. "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

As much as I hate to admit it California is part of the United States.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 2:24pm EDT
Jeez, Col. George, and what state are you from?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 3:24pm EDT
One that is not near California. Up here we have a saying "We don't care how they do it in California"
Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 4:34pm EDT
"No Spartan it does not."

Yes it DOES!

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

When was the Constitution adopted, Colonel?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 8:36pm EDT
Where does it say they have to be a citizen of one of the origionl 13 states? The way you read that everyone who could be president is now dead.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 9:16pm EDT
What state? Are you scare!!!! Must be....Boooo
Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 10:02pm EDT
Colonies, Colonel...not states...in your own copy and paste: "Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"
Col. George W. Oct 22, 2009, 12:14am EDT
Colonies? There were no Colonies when the Constitution was written and adopted.
Col. George W. Oct 22, 2009, 12:16am EDT
Richard, What state am I in? well usually Peaceful, sometimes Confusion, at times Worried, There are many states I am in as life progresses. It depends on my mood, outside influences and etc. How about you?
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Carla G. Oct 21, 2009, 2:33pm EDT
More beating of a dead horse....at the taxpayers' expense.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 2:38pm EDT
Support you 110%, Carla G. and they claim their concern is constitutional and race doesn't matter, oh really, but it's a free country, so sad and pathic.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 3:54pm EDT
If they are right you should at least acknowledge that it was not a waste of money and the Con was uncovered. I'm neutral but I do want this thing settled properly in a Court of Law, meaning in the SCOTUS.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 9:13pm EDT
Sure you do. I have no problems with your concern being address in court, that is what they are there for, so your concern can be found as stupid as to what most common sence people for what they are. Racism. Say it with me.....
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 9:14pm EDT
But have you put your money where your mouth is?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 11:57pm EDT
Not MY problem Richard. I just reported the news and made it clear where I stood. It is my concern only in that I think it's about time the issue was settled.

As to your question, NOYB. If you knew me you would know the answer. Thanks for the good laugh.
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Oct 21, 2009, 2:54pm EDT
Chester Alan Arthur is probably the one president where there might be legitimate grounds for challenging his natural born citizenship. Although he was probably born in the US--some say he was born in Canada--his father was a Canadian, i. e. British citizen at the time. Arthur was born before the 14th Amendment was ratified so his father's citizenship would have mattered at the time.

Arthur was challenged when he was running for vice president but nothing ever came of it.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 4:08pm EDT
Interesting history Nippy.
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Rude D. Oct 21, 2009, 3:05pm EDT
I see it as a feeble attempt for attention.

A kid not getting the toy or candy he wanted, throwing a temper tantrum.

They really are pathetic.

I feel they are abusing the court system as a pacifier effect to offset the discust they feel for having a black president.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 4:09pm EDT
I don't see a thing in the court case mentioning race Rude.
Lori F. Oct 21, 2009, 9:00pm EDT
Rude is right. There is a lot of infighting among the birthers who are bringing this lawsuit.

They are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame and at the taxpayers expense.

And the people that support this again I will say I dont want any bitching about wasting tax payer dollars.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 11:48pm EDT
All the more reason to get the thing settled in court Lori. The plaintiff is not using tax money and may wind up with a big bill if it goes agaist them.
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Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 3:28pm EDT
The DOW a still above 10,000, oh, the Capitlist pigs are in hog heaven now, and they scorn the President as he throws pearls before swine. That's a damn solicalist for ya.......
O.K. another terroist plot uncovered today, V.P. Chenney where are you, when we need you.
And Iran slowly looking to get rid of some nuclear material, that's the State Department for ya. Victories, no I say, he just doing his JOB.
But don't you know, he wasn't born in America, didn't you know that?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 4:22pm EDT
I don't think this has much to do with his performance. I think it has to do with his credentials to hold the office/
Dan R. Oct 21, 2009, 4:25pm EDT
The DOW is only that high because they have cut everrything they can, including jobs, so they can obtain that level. Only someone that does not pay attention to reality would not be able to see that.
Most businesses are slow or afraid to hire too much because of what is going on in the government. We are still loosing jobs, and there is only a very slow swing on people getting jobs.
So what the hell does the DOW over 10,000 have to do with anything!?
Matthew M. Oct 21, 2009, 4:33pm EDT
The Dow's current number is inflated and does not represent the overall health of the economy.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 7:23pm EDT
Well Matt I'm sure you and your cohorts would say otherwise if the market was down, it would be Preesident Obama fault, be honest, you'd and other like you would be pointing the finger at the W.H. Come on say it with me the market is over 10,000 since the MAN has been elected by the majority of Americans. Sounds good to me.
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 7:37pm EDT
Dan R. who is they? Sound like capitalism at it best to me while the CEO's get paid very, very well. I did put some of my money into the market as soon as President Obama took office. Oh, back when the market was in the 6,000's. The market was on the brink of collaspe 6 mos. ago been edging up ever since. Sorry you missed out, but hey I'm just an unabshed liberal capitilist for ya.
But never a words from you about that, the DOW reflects optimism in the future, interest low andthings are cheap, and you know the market. Dan R. you don't jack, remember the goodtimes, under President Clinton.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 8:31pm EDT
I remember the giant sucking sound as jobs and industry left the US when NAFTA was signed and I rememer people haveing to hold down two three jobs in order to make ends meet during the "goodtimes" under Clinton. Never try to re-write history when the people who lived it are still around.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 10:42pm EDT
Richard, Everything bad is the president's fault if he had anything to do with it or not. That is the job of president, he gets blamed for everything and seldom gets credit for anything until the next president comes in. sometimes it takes a couple more presidents. In the case of Obama's predicesor it will take generations.
Richard P. Oct 22, 2009, 5:04pm EDT
Well old Col. Geogre that's where you and depart, if you are telling me that it will take generation for what President Obama has done to this country on the face of it, it is absurd. G.W. Bush had no lingering affect, just goes to show ya, having rank don't mean jack.
Col. George W. Oct 22, 2009, 9:29pm EDT
G.W.'s tricks are still with us and it would not suprese me if they never depart. It will be a long time before he gets to be accepted as one of the good ones. As to Obama, he is in his first year and so far it don't look good. No I am not telling you it will take generations for Obama - YET
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Matthew M. Oct 21, 2009, 3:47pm EDT
I am less concerned about the birth certificate and more concerned about the meaning of natural born citizen. Perhaps this bc stuff is just a distraction from the real questions?

We already know that his father was not an American citizen, but his mother was. Obama may very well be a citizen but not a natural born citizen.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 4:22pm EDT
That is a defination that definately needs to be addressed.
Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Oct 21, 2009, 5:57pm EDT
WTF is a defination?????
Matthew M. Oct 21, 2009, 6:01pm EDT
Don you can easily tell it's supposed to be definition.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 10:01pm EDT
Picky Picky Don. All mad because your hero is going to have to prove something?
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Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 4:39pm EDT
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

That leaves us with a whole LOT of ILLEGAL presidents who were not around in 1787! LOL

Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Oct 21, 2009, 5:57pm EDT
Col is off his meds again?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 8:41pm EDT
Try taking a reading comprehension corse the two of you.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 8:44pm EDT
Since all persons who were citizens of the United States at the time of the adoption of the constitution are now gone that leaves only natural born citizens elegable to be president.

Am I dealing with firstgraders here?
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 9:53pm EDT
There a few Obamaites on here who seem to be really worried about this court case. Do they know something the rest of us don't?
Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 10:05pm EDT
"comprehension corse"?

Am I dealing with a First Grader here? Huukt on Foniks Werkt for Me!
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Monica C. Oct 21, 2009, 5:33pm EDT
Wow, you got lots of comments on this one...
Like Erik, I think BHO is a robot...and so are his children...
Richard P. Oct 21, 2009, 7:19pm EDT
That must mean what, he is a robot and so are his children. Why bring in his childern into it, are you that weak, don't yuou have anything original. It's pretty sick and sad, but then I except nothingless from people who spawn from the Dark Side, mindless blather never surpires me.
Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Oct 21, 2009, 8:29pm EDT
A much better to voice my point Richard.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 9:22pm EDT
Don I deleted your comment to Monica. I knew you didn't mean to be so rude.

Richard, you and Don have absolutely NO sense of humor when it comes to Obama. Kind of worried about what the court will find?
Jeff H. Oct 21, 2009, 9:41pm EDT
Col, they are trained to be offended. "Children" is a flag word that gets liberals in a tizzy.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 9:48pm EDT
If they don't like being in a tizzy maybe they should quit acting like children. just a thought.
Jeff H. Oct 21, 2009, 11:06pm EDT
Maybe that's why they get offended. We are attacking them when we use the word "children".
Richard P. Oct 22, 2009, 1:49am EDT
No, go ahead attack his children it's just an indication of your ignorance, plain and simple and it show the weakness of your cause. But then you folks support torture don't you. I'm speechless and I'm liberal to the core. So after his children don't forget to mention the man's wife, its what you people do.
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K K. Oct 21, 2009, 5:45pm EDT
It would be easier to start court proceedings in his country of birth, The small African country of whereever, and prove he IS a citizen of this country rather than he is NOT a citizen of America.. It would cost a pittance of the cost of court proceedings in the US. If you win there then the US Government (Obama) would have to prove the court in Africa ruling incorrect, at their cost.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 9:36pm EDT
That might be another approach but it depends a lot on the laws of the county.
K K. Oct 21, 2009, 10:13pm EDT
I am sure it would be easier to prove who he is, In the "country of Birth" than who he is not in his adopted country.. and at a fraction of the price.
And you would be able to call witnesses from the place of birth, like Hospital staff, family and friends etc.. I think whoever is doing this is doing it all wrong. If you prove he was born in XXXX then he can't have been born in YYYYY.
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K K. Oct 21, 2009, 5:48pm EDT
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States"

Don't you become a citizen of the USA when you get a US passport? because it does say "OR"
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 9:39pm EDT
No, the natural born reqirement is clear. One big problem is the defination of what they meant by "natural born". That was explained but not in the constitution. It was to avoid a president who had also loyalty to another country as in a dual citizenship.
K K. Oct 21, 2009, 10:09pm EDT
As far as I can see it is except "A" or except "B", " B" being a citizen of the USA who would be any US passport Holder.
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Oct 21, 2009, 6:10pm EDT
Before the ratification of the 14th Amendment I think people born in the US had to have two parents who were citizens, i. e. both except in the case of people of Venerian descent who have 7 parents. Of course the 14th Amendment was ratified a while ago. I could be wrong but I doubt there's anyone alive now who was born before it was ratified. :)
Lori F. Oct 21, 2009, 8:57pm EDT
but I doubt there's anyone alive now who was born before it was ratified. :)

Colonel maybe:)
Spartan * Oct 21, 2009, 10:07pm EDT
Well, hell...the "christian reich" believes Noah lived to be 600 years old...so maybe? LOL
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 11:45pm EDT
I suppose I should have said, except for me. LOL
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Peter Joseph Swanson Oct 21, 2009, 9:07pm EDT
lol
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 11:51pm EDT
That's what I am doing about this whole thing Peter ROTFLOL
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Jeff H. Oct 21, 2009, 9:09pm EDT
I saw an AP article that hailed Obama as being Kenya born when he was running for the U.S. senate. That said, Obama wants these stories front and center. It distracts from the real problems with his administration. He doesn't have time to know what is going on with his community organizing group and can't answer questions regarding that but has time to wage war on a cable channel that doesn't get tingly feeling when the buffoon reads from a teleprompter! When he and his radical bunch are booted from office there will be plenty of time for investigations. Right now that commie is destroying America despite his childhood B.S. Wise up.
Col. George W. Oct 21, 2009, 9:51pm EDT
It does distract our attention to some degree. I remember his talk about a private civilian army as powerfull as our military. I wonder what happened to that idea.
Jeff H. Oct 21, 2009, 11:09pm EDT
That went the way of transparency, end of wars, fiscal responsibility, accountability, dinosaurs, etc..... By the way, questioning the president isn't real news. Get with the program!
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Bob B. Oct 22, 2009, 9:34pm EDT
This is ridiculous and a waste of taxpayers' money.
Col. George W. Oct 23, 2009, 12:22am EDT
Maybe so. Just thought, If Obama loses he was never president. He would have to pay out of his pocket. I'm not sure he can use government money anyway. He is being taken to court not the govrnment. I would have to look it up. Of course Obama is not the only one who is charged either.
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Bob B. Oct 23, 2009, 8:54am EDT
It's my understanding that the taxpayer would foot the bill. I really don't see that he has any chance of losing, evidence of his citizenship has been brought forth.
Col. George W. Oct 23, 2009, 10:17pm EDT
That could be Bob, I really don't know. If Obama wins maybe the plalintiff will have to pay. If he loses he will have to pay since he would then never have been elected. Loser pay is getting more common.
Bob B. Oct 23, 2009, 10:30pm EDT
That is very true, Col.
Spartan * Oct 23, 2009, 10:35pm EDT
"Loser pay is getting more common"

Not in the United States. :-)
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