FOX NEWS?

The fact that there is no middle ground is indicative of the fact that you either like what you hear because it supports your preferences, or you aren't interested in having your news support a particular viewpoint or be slanted (or you prefer a different slant) and thus don't think it's a good source for accurate and unbiased news (or it's not your preferred slant).

Other networks, however, are not love-hate because there is middle ground consisting of people who don't want a slant and only want to be informed in as accurate a manner as is possible. These people with no desire for politically slanted news are good indicators (for those who can't tell because of their biases) that Fox News is unreliable.

It seems to me that Fox has almost appeared to throw caution to the wind in terms of trying to instill reasonable doubt that just might be fair and balanced. But that may just be the nature of being out of the white house and in the minority in congress. Supporting and praising Bush unduly is easier to pass off as unbiased than when you have to go on the attack, particularly when there is no really good damning issue to just harp on excessively and you have to push unfair attacks.

When the President, and Managing Director of Fox News announced last week that the network was THE OPPOSITION, they trumpeted the reality that they are neither fair nor are they balanced.

Irt Glenn Beck ... goes after both sides equally. But for now it's President Obama giving him the most to work with. lol

I am not a fan of Glen Beck. He is pathetic and really taking information from Alex Jones. Glen is just getting paid millions to do his thing.

Can you then or will you factually dispute ANY of the information concerning corruption in government that he is bringing out to the American public? Name calling doesn't count dear, without facts to the contrary to back your views up? Beck has exposed MUCH corruption that SHOULD have been exposed a long time ago....... Further, no one in government is even trying to dispute the findings. In fact, they APPEAR to be acting on it....

How much "truth" can you handle, hun?? That alone, appears to be the dividing line between Americans?

Sandy said: Beck has exposed MUCH corruption that SHOULD have been exposed a long time ago.......

Lee says in agreement: Has in fact been trying to get some action on many of the same things for years; he didn't start just since B. Obama came to office.

Sandy said: Further, no one in government is even trying to dispute the findings. In fact, they APPEAR to be acting on it....

Lee says: When a Glenn Beck or a Joe Wilson speaks it's "Lies, all lies!!!" tick tock tick tock ... "But since you brought it up, we've changed this or that or the other thing so now what you said is surely not true." If you see what I mean lol

Sandy A and John J. Sep 18, 2009, 9:47am EDT
Can you then or will you factually dispute ANY of the information concerning corruption in government that he is bringing out to the American public? Name calling doesn't count dear, without facts to the contrary to back your views up? Beck has exposed MUCH corruption that SHOULD have been exposed a long time ago....... Further, no one in government is even trying to dispute the findings. In fact, they APPEAR to be acting on it....

I am a Glenn Beck Fan. He is doing what I have been trying to do for over 10 years...wake up the public to the fact that Americans have been goofing off when comes to the business of governing our country.
They have done no speaking to public officials except to have "Gay Parades" "Prison Reform groups" whining for the criminals' rights while allowing victims to never see justice...concentrating on which video games they should have, how big their TV should be, What Fake Wrestler they have been rooting for, buying vehicles that are status symbols rather than being sensible about what they REALLY need in a vehicle, and then paying the price of a house with a mortgage-term auto loan.
All this time, waving flags about 9/11 while the world government movement has been pecking away at our freedom behind the scenes.
Yeah, I like Beck...he says what I have been thinking since way back in high school (class of '72). at least now it is getting in front of the sleeping hordes of AMericans who are saying.."gee...what happened? as they rub the sleep from thier eyes.
You can argue ove which president did what, but you are missing the target. Presidents only do what 'the money' tells them to do.
Barack is no different than the rest, he is just a better sales-pitcher.

Beck was critical of Bush also. I know. I guess I'm just another "nut" who believes in the constitution. I believe in honesty and integrity of our politicians... which most don't have anymore. I believe Glenn is on the right track, bringing the things he does, to the forefront. Just because most leftists refuse to believe, is their own problem, as they help divide the people of this nation further and lead the country into complete socialism, which doesn't really work well, anywhere. I've heard videos of people from Canada and England, talking both sides of the argument. So, there IS something to the negative side of socialized medicine.

I'd prefer to see the gov'ment do something about highly paid CEO's who screw people out of their retirements, while at the same time, giving themselves a hundred million for a bonus. We rid the US of Greed, get into a good system of FAIR profit...instead of unfair profit, everyone in this nation could afford a new car, a home, etc. Even at that, the companies would sell more and still make their big profits, only not by holding the citizens as high interest slaves.

VERY well said, Dale!! Corruption in high and unlikely places is exactly the problem in our nation. It's that very corruption and special interest greed in most areas, that needs exposed, then done away with by the American people.

Woah. Since Keith Olbermann often criticizes Obama, he must be unbiased as well, right? You can't have it both ways.

Who are these leftists and what are they refusing to believe from Glenn Beck? Does it matter that many conservatives also think Beck is spreading false fears and conspiracies and that they think he is bad for democracy in America? Is "leftist" just a blanket statement for everyone who has the sense to see Beck for what he is?

And there it is again, this socialism notion. It's dumbfounding. Who the heck is proposing to lead the country into "complete socialism?" Nobody. Using this as an argument is nothing more than a cop out to avoid actually arguing issues on their merits. Of course there is debate in Canada and England on health care, and there are positives and negatives to the different choices. But it has nothing to do with an irrational belief that we'll become a socialist state.

BTW, Britain has socialized medicine, Canada has single payer socialized insurance, and we're talking about a government insurance option that you choose and pay for like any other insurance (in existence only to pressure costs down) and only subsidies to help people who have difficulty affording health care (no matter what insurance they choose). And the public option may not even come to be, so all we'd be getting are subsidies and some regulations and methods for keeps costs down and health care affordable... Yes, this is what brought the "socialist scare." Unbelieveable.


And it's interesting that immediately after you argue the blanket "socialism - bad" argument, you go right into a request for something even more "socialist" than the health care proposals. You want the government to "do something about highly paid CEO's," and to get rid of the driving force of capitalism, Greed. You ask for "FAIR profits" instead of "unfair profits" so that everyone "could afford a new car, a home, etc." And that would be fair to you because companies would sell more and recoup their profits that the government redistributed.

UNBELIEVEABLE! That is top shelf socialism. You are a FLAMING socialist! Yet you don't even realize it because you've thought of it on your own without having anyone poison the well by telling you it is socialism and therefore is bad! Are you grasping the significance of this? You are proving my points!

And Sandy/John gleam with enthusiastic agreement. "VERY well said, Dale!!"

Wow. Just Wow. I'm trying to be reasonable here. Really. But you've got to be reasonable too. It takes two to have a reasonable discussion.

Well, if I'm a socialist for hating greed, then so be it. I don't care. I suppose you think that these CEO's DESERVE the money they give themselves and their other white collar buddies??

I do believe in capitalism. But there needs to be some sanity with it too. Prices and costs of everything just cannot keep going up, up and up. Even with capitalism, in order to make it work, one needs to keep business moving. Business would be much better off, by selling at lower prices, selling MORE of the product to MORE people at REASONABLE costs, rather than holding them hostage for years, with interest rates that nobody can really afford, except the wealthy, who usually pay cash for small, insignificant purchases, like a car. Duh.

Someone said once, that if Jesus were here today, he'd be a socialist. Well, if one also looks at the promised future, it'd definitely be a more FAIR world, were it not for greed.

And... as I stated before... I'm not really a republican or a democrat. I'm a simple Christian and I know, in my heart, right from wrong. Greed is wrong. So don't flippin LECTURE me on what I believe in. If you feel like arguing over certain comments, go argue with someone else. I stated what I felt. You stated what YOU felt. I'm done talking with you about it. I DO try to get a little enjoyment out of life, with my disability and the flippin pain I live with daily, even on heavy duty pain meds. So, drop it already. You aren't going to convince me to argue/debate or get into any namecalling session, here or anywhere else.

And as for leftists, if you can't see what the dems and repubs are doing, together, to this country, then you are simply blind and refuse to see or understand. That's YOUR problem. Not mine.
G'bye.

Dale, I was not calling you a socialist. In fact, I agree with what you said about the fairness of incomes and on the positive economic effect of a fairer income distribution.

Rather, my point was about this common generalized argument about so-called "socialism." Basically, that argument boils down to this. They say socialism = communism, which we all know is bad, therefore anything remotely associated with socialism is bad. Then they say some proposal in congress is socialist in some respect. Then they reject the proposal not based on it's merits, but rather on the notion that it must be bad by association.

Of course, that's just faulty logic. If it were true, it would mean your thoughts on incomes are bad by association as well, but of course that's not true. You're only talking common sense and certainly aren't trying to achieve some secret socialist/communist agenda. And naturally, you wouldn't take kindly to someone dismissing your idea without consideration of its merits and instead resorting to calling it and you a socialist.

Well, that goes both ways. You should also not dismiss ideas out of hand by simply labeling them with the socialist generalization. I think the same applies for making the generalization that dems and repubs are all doing the same bad things to this country, and then calling me blind for not understand exactly what your vague generalization is referring to.

Is that really out of line for me to say? Am I being unreasonable?

BTW, Obama actually explained some of the same notions you had in detail, and more, about income fairness when he talked to "Joe the plumber" in that famous encounter. Though people have rarely ever seen anything other than a single line Obama used that was repeatedly many times on news stations. But here it is if you can spare 5 minutes to hear the president unfiltered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAfGAcz4eY

Dale C.
When it comes to taxation, there is only ONE way you can honestly be fair and not hinder the capitalist desire to earn more. That form is simply the FLAT SALES TAX.
EVRYONE has to pay sales tax, so it means whenever we go on a shopping spree, the government gets their money! Nobody escapes it, nobody gets charged a higher percentage based on their income, thus 10% would be all the government would ever need to operate. They would be receiving a LOT more than they are currently receiving from the poculace...less than 50% of the taxes due the IRS. Where's the rest of it? Loopholes...people working under the table...people who get 100% of their taxes returned while at the same time receiving weflare of some sort or another.
I say, drop all orhter forms of taxation and give us our whole paycheck.
You would see a sudden increase in spending, from paying off/down mortgages to purchasing goods. COmpanies would see a MAJOR up-turn in sales, thus increasing the need to hire people for the increase in production. Unemployment would go down, more people would be spending and the government would be receiving a steady flow of tax revenue.
Tell me this is a bad idea!...go ahead!..tell me!
It's a win-win-win!

Fox news isn't news but it is opinion therefore the folks that have an opinion similar to fox news agree and watch only Fox News and those that don't don't agree with their opinions and also don't watch Fox News very much at all.

It's a simple point of view issue

I believe it's much more than mere pov, with the real dividing line being whether folks actually want and or to what degree they can handle truth?

This is nothing about truth, only about opinion

I don't believe that Richard has ever really watched much of Beck. Nor has he researched anything that Beck has researched. Calling the expose' of that worthless ACORN bunch, was a kick in the pants for them. And it NEEDED done. I hope congress demands a complete audit and investigation of them. Them and ALL groups sucking money from the government.... the tax payer, I mean. The government cannot GIVE, unless they have TAKEN, to begin with. If 90% of special interests were investigated, audited, etc., we'd probably all be a little surprised as to who is getting the most money for their own pockets, instead of the people it's supposedly intended for.

Corruption will only be shot down, when the Lord returns anyway... so it's all moot and barely worth debate. We all know that corruption runs so deep, worldwide, that trying to clean it up, would definitely take an act of God. So, again... not worth the time to "debate" it. Kinda like flogging the proverbial dead horse, ya know?

News and Fox are amusing in the same sentence--hardcore, maybe yet, I get my information re politics from "Primary sources" not spun in one direction or the other. English is my first language and there is no need for anyone to explain what someone else said to me. Now I understand that I am retired and others work yet, when I worked I still gathered my information from the "Primary source" since the advent of cable. I can tune in to C-SPAN 24 hours a day and view what happened in Washington DC. I just have no patience for drama in the news I want facts.

The local news, not interested in who did what to whom and what team won something--to me that is just gossip. People who tune in to Faux Mews every night or whenever, have a battle royal to support in their mind and Faux Mews feeds that battle and really enjoys doing so. Sad, truly sad.

I watch and read all the news sources and whether or not I agree with their opinions and/or facts. I find that most are slanted and tilted in what they choose to report, so I've found it most informative to compare all of them. And in doing so, I've come to the conclusion that Fox does the overall best job of reporting facts and coverage that the "fringe media" avoids, spins or does not cover at all, and then allowing the public to weigh all and decide for themselves..

Your news source is not my source of facts = your choice differs from mine and nothing more.

I repeat...
People who tune in to Faux Mews every night or whenever, have a battle royal to support in their mind and Faux Mews feeds that battle and really enjoys doing so. Sad, truly sad.

I understand your pov however shallow, but can you factually dispute ANY of the allegations that faux news, (namely Glen Beck) as you call them, is presenting to the American public?? Even Washington isn't resorting to mere name calling and further, APPEARS to be acting on these presented facts the the "fringe media" is NOT covering... Well, imagine that.....lol...Maybe you should do a wee bit more research on the topics??

REPEAT....Your news source is not my source of facts = your choice differs from mine and nothing more.

REPEAT, can you or will you refute anything that has been presented by Glen Beck, concerning the corruption in government? If not, then it falls back to becoming merely a choice of preference without any factual meat to back it up. Nothing more and nothing less.....

You have your view and I have mine and pressing someone into a useless debate is to your detriment. I have stated my point and that is that.

Ok. How about any of these:

http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/glenn_beck_show


Please, take a look if you truly are interested in the truth. There should be nothing to worry about if the truth is really on Beck's side.

But what you'll find here aren't just mistakes or oversights by Beck. These are purposely, selectively manipulated untruths and lies. It's undeniable.

This is the second time tonight I have come across someone quoting Media Matters to denounce Beck and Fox News. Media Matters is a left wing propaganda machine. From their website:

"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

By their own admission they monitor and analyze conservative (mis?)information. If you look at their homepage it looks like a slander fest against Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Lou Dobbs, and Fox New in general, as if the MSM is incapable of everything they claim these guys are guilty of. They are hardly a reputable source for reliable information.

One other note, anytime I read the word "progressive" in a mission statement or from the "about us" page on a website, I know I'm in for a load of left wing BS.

Slander? Propaganda?

The site has a focus on conservatives, and their language shows they aren't attempting to be neutral, but this does not negate the validity of the substance they present. I've looked at just the first couple. They've got video showing obvious contridictions that exposes the bias that viewers with short term memory are missing. They've got the full source and contexts for the selective cutting up of quotes Beck and others do to essentially lie by presenting quotes as something they are not (not to mention when they get the quote wrong on purpose like I saw very recently in two different incidents on Fox).

If you refuse to even read what they have to offer to determine if it has merit, you are only seeking to remain in denial.

I'm still wondering when the author of this post, Sandy/John, is going to respond to any of this. I get the feeling that this self-proclaimed truth-seeker is only interested in seeking one thing, and it has little to do with truth.

Eamon someone MUST direct the trash which spews from Limbauls mouth.

Tim, save your time the Right is not interested in anything they have not already embraced. You are asking them to read something which makes sense and they are not able to do that never have never will.

I barely pay attention to Faux News...

Maybe barely is too much?

I try to avoid it all. The news just upsets me!

I click on it just to check the basics, what's going on...are there any hordes headed my way... then I click off and go back to real life. I don't have the internal strength to watch the fighting.

I fully understand, Sandi! Things certainly seem to be getting out of hand, by human logic and standards but whether folks choose to believe or not, God still sits on the throne and all things here will continue to fruition, right to the letter, just as He said..

I enjoy FoxNew the People are full of life. The Fringe media "CBS ABC NBC " are like cardboard cutouts or like Valley of the Dolls. The odd thing is, the Fringe media could wipe out FoxNews ratings if they would report truth and both sides. But that would destroy the American Liberals .

I fully agree, Scott! Although much of what Fox reports is difficult to bear by the fringe media and those who support it, I find it somewhat revealing that not one of them has yet to intelligently refute ANY of the facts presented, and are simply left with simple and childish name calling to dispute the facts..

Sandy... Amen to that! The mainstream media CAN'T dispute truth. If they could, they'd go to that left leaning site posted above and publish the supposed truth. You can't defend lies and corruption, with more lies and corruption.

I guess, since Fox News holds a majority of viewers, CONSTANTLY, then more people believe them more than the left leaners, who amaze me that they don't fall over, from leaning so hard to the wrong side of life's points of views.

"Fox News" can do as they please, but I just wish they wouldn't call it news. Unfettered truth should be the only mission of journalism... you shouldn't be allowed to call it news if you're on an ideological mission. That goes for any network to whatever extent they harbor bias.

There have been "investigative" reporters on both sides, forever. So, you say it's wrong for an investigative reporter to bring forth facts, in a news environment? All you want is.. what? Boring news? Duh.."Representative John Doe stubbed his toe today. The opposing party clapped. Next in the news... does the energiser bunny really exist? More on that in a minute, folks!"

I'm not sure if you want actual news or just a plain old simple overview of what happened today. Go read your local newspaper and keep your head in the sand. Corruption needs to be found and the world rid of it. Whether you like it or not.

Today's journalism is a joke thanks to liberals . This is why news is bad news to liberals. Truth is what's killing liberals.

I've never seen Glenn Beck's show so I really have no opinion on it.

I don't watch the news.
I have no opinion.

Glenn Beck, much like Hanritty and Limbaugh are entertainers playing to their audience. To call what they do news reporting is just silly. The only difference between these guys and another entertainer, Howard Stern, is that Stern knows he is an entertainer and though he has strong opinions, never loses the fact that he is in the entertainment business, not the news business. Just because you yell loudly and yell often doesn't mean you are right, just that you are a loudmouth.

I don't have much opinion on fox. I know the liberal's hate of Fox is exaggerated for sure.

Glen Beck is pretty good even though he is not always right.

I don't get much news from the main stream media, and for the most part that includes Fox.

No comment. It would fall on deaf ears.

what did you say?

I like Fox news and it's non-sensational, factual reporting of real news. The rest of the media is left-spun and not factual. I admire Glenn Beck and anyone who is not ashamed to speak out, especially when the truth is not popular.

I like Glen Beck and think he's brave to eXpose some things. I watch Fox news at night,usually am watching Greta right now, in the background.

BUT, sometimes, I can't stand the news anymore, I think it COULD make me crazier.-ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, SOMETIMES.

I never liked him since he LIED about the Dixie Chicks.
One of the 'Chicks lammented that too many people think country music is redneck music. Beck sliced the interview and all you heard was the staement "Country music is redneck music"
This was utterly dishonest on his part.He still continues to lie and it will catch up to him.

I like Glenn Beck.
Fox, does alot of good... just like they went after the man who was a pedophile and set to be released from prison... OReilly went to the town and talked to the officials. Because of this, they dug up more dirt on this convict and were able to keep him in prison, where he belongs....

Sorry Vickey.. but the liberals want pedophiles released, along with murderers, rapists, etc. Too many liberal judges release criminals every day, or let them off too easily. I guess, the only thing that'd change a liberal's mind, is the rape or murder of their own child, then sitting back and watching the pervert get a light sentence or let off because he ate too many Twinkies and "wasn't in his right mind", therefore making him innocent of anything. Blah. Stupidity is, as stupidity does. The more I read what it written on these pages, the crazier I believe some folks really are. They need some serious counselling or to get back on their meds.

Of course, I guess it might be nice, to live in an imaginary world, where people don't have to be responsible for their actions.

I still stand with... IF ANYONE CAN PROVE, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that Beck is nothing but a liar... let's see the absolute proof. And I definitely can barely wait for reports from Huffington Post. ROFL.

OK.. now I'm done. My mission is complete. I can now go back to my own "imaginary" world and gleefully race off into never never land.

You are so right... and I am in agreement with you totally... It amazes me how most people have no morals now.... It scares me to think where this world is heading....

Who the heck are these liberals you speak of who wish criminals would be acquitted???? You are setting up a fictional opponent. I'd be right along with you thinking they are crazy and without morals if you were actually talking about real people and not a fictitious group you've imagined!

Good lord! Who needs the meds?

Tim, now you know how they see their reality.
Cuddling terrorist and pedophiles, this is the delusional world they created and those who can't see it are the crazy ones.

Balance and context, as ever, remain vital.

Let's avoid confusing any TV program, on any television network, as an accurate, detailed depiction of our rapidly changing, complicated world.

Fox news doesn't seem very "fair and balanced" to me at all. I saw something recently where Sean hannity was talking about a interview or speech, of Obama's; where the topic of the cold war came up. Sean Hannity read part of what Obama said, and critisized him; for not giving any credit to the U.S for helping to end the cold war. But, the rest of what Obama said was also shown, at the point where Hannity had quit reading; and Obama did give credit to past U.S presidents for helping to end the cold war.

I've also seen those with opposing views just get shouted down, and from the times I've watched it; I have very rarely seen them critisize republicans- it's normally democrats who are critisized.

Just like O'reilly LIED, saying the JFK airport bombing plot was NOT front page news of the NY Times. As proof he showed the paper to his viewers, trouble is it was folded so that the tv audience could NOT see the bottom part where the story was on the front page.

Could you imagine a LYING weasel like this on any other legitimate news program?

His audience doesn't want the truth, they want LIES.., muslim, Madrassa, born in Africa, wants to kill grandma etc.

Hannity is a sensationalist like Geraldo. I watch neither...they gag me just hearing their voices.

The GOP pundits of Fox News are now the very thing that threatens our country and freedom.

Last night Beck brought the tragic events of Jones Town and attempted at tying the Obama Administration and Democrats to it. And here I tought he couldn't sink down any further.

I always have to laugh when I hear people complaining about Fox News. How can one network upset them so much when all the others are pretty much cheerleaders for the left. One of my favorite games is called "fun with numbers", such as listed below:

Cable news ratings for August 24, 2009:

FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000


It's like that every month. Fox News spanks all the rest in every category, time slot, etc.
The following numbers are taken from the 09/18/2009 ratings:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/21/cable-news-ratings-for-friday-september-18-2009/27930#more-27930

If you go to the link and look at the breakdown per timeslot, it gets interesting, actually comical. Glenn Beck, Bret Baier, and Shep (5,6,7pm) all beat Keith Olbermann, who is the only one to come near any of the FNC shows. The funny part is that these guys spank him 2:1 (Beck 3:1) in viewership and Olbermann is in a prime time slot at 8:00pm. I'd love to see Beck's numbers in a prime time slot. O'Reilly goes head to head with Olbermann at 8:00pm and beats him at 3.5:1. His repeat telecast at 11:00pm beats Olbermann in his prime time slot by 2:1. The left has never figured out that it is the message, not the messenger. None of the other cable networks can hold a candle to FNC, and the Dem's wee wee this away as stupid, ignorant, uninformed, misled people. It looks more to me like people looking for truth and alternative viewpoints instead of the sanitized garbage pumped out by the MSM. Actually I hope the liberals keep thinking the same way, they will be in for some big surprises in 2010/2012.

Oh, ratings translate to who is accurate? If Fox ratings were in the toilet, you'd argue only a few people "are interested in the truth." You find a way to make information fit your biases no matter what the case. It's called confirmation bias.

And again, there is no substance here. Just your poor assumptions.

Here's some substance. Tell me the following video doesn't illustrate many of the notions promoted by Fox. Tell me these people got these ideas from elsewhere, because Fox personalities wouldn't dare promote such idiotic notions because they are only interested in getting the truth to their viewers... Despite loads of video evidence to the contrary, plus polling that shows an insanely high incidence of absolutely false myths being held as true by Fox viewers, compared to viewers of any other news station.

If you were truly interested in the truth, we'd get along fine. But you are not. You are only in denial if you think otherwise. And that's the truth, unfortunately.

Numbers don't lie. Numbers are the common language of the universe. The truth hurts when it slaps you that hard, doesn't it!

What following video? I hope your not going to link something from Media Matters. LOL

During the last election Faux Noise was running on all cylinders trying to stop the election of Obama. How did those numbers work out?

The last election was basically the Dem's for the taking, yet they only won by 5.8%. Two wars with no end in sight, economy tanking, confidence in the Gov't at an all time low, and they could only squeak out 5.8%. Should have been in the double digits at a minimum. It was the Independents that were disgusted with the RINO's, that won the election for the Dem's. The same group the Dem's have now lost as current approval ratings reflect.

Yes, Fox was running on all cylinders to prevent Obama's election, just as the MSM was running on the same get him elected, some outlets even freely admitted it after November 4th.

Personally, I wanted Ron Paul.

not a fan of FOX News.