Black Father kills White Teen

Whatever happened to shooting someone in the foot? That surely used to work. Or buckshot in the butt?

That's terrible news

My take on this (as a gun owner myself) The man WAS defending his son .. HOWEVER .. did he have to protect him with a fatal shot? Probably not. He could have surely backed the guy up shooting his arm.. leg .. or even maybe a warning shot in the air. I doubt he had to shoot him in the face or head .. Or there was the father and son there .. why couldn't they back the guy down together .. why did nyone have to shoot anyone? Personally the amount of time sounds like a DEAL to me .. he got off easy considering he killed the guy. The sentence he got could have been for discharging a weapon in city limits too .. and not because of the actual 'killing of a man' .. I don't know enough details to know.

If it was a white man who did it .. I think the outcome would have been about the same. Public outrage the same too. In a situation like this any how.

It is our right to bear arms .. however sometimes gun owners allow the situation and the feelings at the time to get the better of them. They should try to remain level headed .. and think things thru before shooting. No one has to do a fatal shot unless death to themselves or a family member is imminent.

I think the new york judge was just for the most part ... had it have been some other state .. things may not have turned out the same... who knows.. I know as a parent if I had to defend my child to the point where I really thought I had to kill a person .. I would.

That's funny Marilyn.

I can't say one way or the other on this case, because I don't have all of the facts of the situation. Was it a trial by jury, and if so did the jury have their say in the sentencing? Did he plead out to a lesser sentence with the promise of leniency?

In the FACE? I can understand wanting to defend your child, but dude, step back and think before you fire.

I think shooting him anywhere if he thought it was necessary but in the face and kill him, that sounds like he was out to make a point, I think just the sight of the gun might have scared the kid off, and then call the police, I live in NY and I don't know how he got off with such a light sentence, unless Al Sharpton was in there making a deal for him, he is into anything racial. This is a sad state of affairs, I think the kid would have ran quickly had he even seen the gun pointed at him, but I don't know all the particulars maybe tried to attack the father too,

Sherry thats what I am saying ... ouch

I live in NY and this was a very complicated issue, and racially charged!

I understand that he was protecting his son. The problem is that the offender was intoxicated. There has to be the fear that the offender is causing a threat to your families life.

He should have called the police.

I think Dena had the correct thoughts on the situation.

I agree with Marilyn... What happened to just a quick shot to injure and not kill? A shot to the knee or something, would have at least slowed the kid down to keep the kid from doing any harm until the police arrived.

In Houston, Texas, a white guy would not even be indicted.

"After Joe Horn Shot 2 Illegal Immigrants in the Back for Burglarizing His Neighbor's House, Followed by Heated Community Protests, City Council in TX Blocks Further Demonstrations"

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=2706

I would have to know all the facts.

Is the point of this article that a black man shot a white boy? Or that someone shot someone else?

You gotta wonder.

Sadly, the whole thing started with a MySpace.com hoax played by Mr. White's son's best friend.

http://www.mycrimespace.com/2007/12/09/another-tragic-myspace-hoax/

http://mysaturdayeveningpost.blogspot.com/2007/12/sad-tale-in-black-and-white.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/22/2007-12-22_guilty_verdict_for_black_dad_in_shooting.html

From my RESEARCH of the FACTS of the case. The father pointed the gun because this one fellow refused to leave with his friends off of his property. Allegedly the boy challenged him by attempting to slap/grab the gun. The gun went off in his face.
Locally when the event first happened more of the facts were given vs. what I can seem to find TODAY. All of the focus seems to be on skin color and innocence of the victim. I have seen stories where teenagers were fatally shot in ritsy Boca Raton neighborhoods for playing pranks. They never received much coverage outside of Florida

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/22/usgunviolence.usa

http://judicial-inc.biz/Boca_teenager_shot.htm

Here's an excerpt from the transcript of Joe Horn's 911 call:

Horn: He's coming out the window right now, I gotta go, buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window.

Dispatcher: Don't, don't — don't go out the door. Mr. Horn? Mr. Horn?

Horn: They just stole something. I'm going after them, I'm sorry.

Dispatcher: Don't go outside.

Horn: I ain't letting them get away with this s--t. They stole something. They got a bag of something.

Dispatcher: Don't go outside the house.

Horn: I'm doing this.

Dispatcher: Mr. Horn, do not go outside the house.

Horn: I'm sorry. This ain't right, buddy.

Dispatcher: You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun, I don't care what you think.

Horn: You want to make a bet?

Dispatcher: OK? Stay in the house.

Horn: They're getting away!

Dispatcher: That's all right. Property's not worth killing someone over, OK?

Horn: [curses]

Dispatcher: Don't go out the house. Don't be shooting nobody. I know you're pissed and you're frustrated, but don't do it.

Horn: They got a bag of loot.

Dispatcher: OK. How big is the bag ... which way are they going?

Horn: I'm going outside. I'll find out.

Dispatcher: I don't want you going outside, Mr. Horn.

Horn: Well, here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going.

Dispatcher: Don't go outside.

Horn: [yelling] Move, you're dead!

[Sound of shots being fired]

People who are scared, and even more so, people scared for their children, don't always think everything through. And reporters don't always tell the whole of the story. Glad I don't have to judge.

QUOTE:"And reporters don't always tell the whole of the story. "

Sheila U hit the nail on the head. That is why the jury verdict confounds everyone because the facts of the case are not being reported in a non race conflicting manner.
The truth can sell too if someone would try it every now and then.

Teresa have U read all of the facts reported?

If someone jumps on you while U are holding a gun is that not intentionally threatening a life or is that self-defense?

What a terrible situation which is obviously very complicated. It saddens me greatly that an issue of protection, gun use and lethal force is tainted by what race each of the participants were.

The short sentence tells me it was not murder. It was not pre anointed, It was on the spur of the moment the teen was drunk. Drunks are scary sometimes.

I guess I would need to know more about the story. Was the other teen armed? Was there a struggle? Race has nothing to do with it. And about gun control - I am completely opposed to it. Law abiding citizens have every right to have a gun.

Handguns are technically illegal in New York. The father should have fired two warning shots...in the kid's leg.

It's all so tragic, Carol. Thanks for reporting it.

WM H., ...did you listen to the WHOLE tape?....do you recall the words don't come over here?

As for the father,..why didn't he call the police? What happened to shooting to protect his life/fear? what happened to walking away? what happened to knowing kids will be kids? What happened to just shooting the gun in the air to scare him off?...tragic all around,..the life of this kid is not worth more then 2-5 years? I feel for his parents.So what are New Yorkers going to do about this?

I am not sure as I don't have more of the facts. I mean if this teen was 6 foot 5 and the son and father was on the short side say 5 foot 5. Than yes, they could of feared for their lives. Size does intimidate.

But I wonder what was done to try and stop the teen before the father shot him? I mean come on it was two against one, why bring a gun in to it?

I also believe the father should of tried shooting in the leg or something to slow him down first. Not in the head.

But than again if I was protecting my child, I would probably shoot to kill as well. So, I think the amount of time he got is fair.

This is a tragedy, and I agree that some vital facts are missing. What type of person was Mr. Horn? Was he a hothead? Did he really fear for his son's safety. By the transcripts, it sounds like he had time to think and hide. It sounds to me like he was fed up, and that's no reason to kill a jerky kid.

Thats just very sad!

Thats awful thanks for sharing.. really sad too.

More honest facts would have to be presented before I could honestly give an opinion. The media nowdays isn't always the best source anymore. There always seems to be a rating game. Whatever sells.

"...did you listen to the WHOLE tape?...."

I seemed to have introduced some confusion here. In my first comment I said that it was unlikely that a white guy would even be indicted in Texas. In a follow up comment, I introduced the case of Mr. Horn, including a portion of the transcript of a phone call he had with a police dispatcher.

The facts of this case are not in dispute. Mr. Horn left the safety of his house with a shotgun with the avowed intention of confronting two burglary suspects. He made no effort to apprehend them and proceeded to "shoot them in the back". The portion of this episode that was not recorded on the 911 tape was witnessed by a plain clothes police officer parked across the street.

Christine, I live in Houston and yes I listened to the whole tape moree than once and read the entire transcript in the newspaper.

This incident is not related to the incident reported in the original article. I included it simply to offer a contrast in outcomes.

There are so many facts surrounding this situation. One fact is we were not there. People need to realize that in this day and time people are shooting to kill and not just to wound.
People are angry for so many reasons. ie: a bad day, just got fired, no money, miserable lives etc. We must be so careful when we approach people. It is better to back off sometimes and call the police and let them handle the problem than to riun youe life.

Why was this young man drinking at 17 years old? Where were his parents? Who served a 17 year old? Was it in the house? We need to start holding parents responsible for the actions of their kids.

It's sad that this young person got shot and it's also sad that the shooter saw no other alternative than to shoot him in the face.

The gun was illegal. The man didn't have any permit for it. The fact that he even brought out the gun made the situation much worse. The man should have called the police.

Carol - You make guns as common in your society as i-pods, you glorify guns and their use by having your most famous and glamorous stars shooting up the place every day & night on the television...

Is it really so surprising that people actually use the things?

When I visit America people say to me, "Oh dear you live in Mexico, aren't you afraid?" I laugh and reply, I'm more afraid to walk the streets in any American city than I am living anywhere in Mexico... I don't know where American's get their ideas about Mexico, probably from the same news service you got your information about this story...

Do you really believe you have ALL the facts??

I don't really know what to say. If it were my son who were killed, I'd be killing the father who killed him. I know that much. People really need to be careful. There are too many guns out there. Don't take chances with your life.

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