I think women are way more independent than they used to be, and men take advantage of feminism and tend to not be as nice. I am a female and am all for equal rights for women, however, I like a guy to hold doors and be chivalrous. Just because a man does nice little things like that for a women, certainly doesn't mean that women will be held back 20 or 30 years. If I go on a date and a guy consistantly does not hold open doors for me, or walk me home (or at the very least take me toPenn Station) I won't go out with him again. My boyfriend does all the right things, thank goodness :-)
Yup, the golden rule rules here. No reason to be rude. There is a difference between being assertive and being rude. I've been assertive and gotten things done, all without being rude. Rude is just plain not good, no matter the gender/sex.
I don't think ET is a feminist I think she is feminine, She always dresses great and never lowers herself much below a set standard, excepting when she is in Love.
I think it depends on what news item the local network in a particular country wants to push. all in all, I think most women and most men travel along a path of niceness before nastiness. but you may notice a lot of differences when you are in a fully multicultural area, then it is just the X factor kicking in, If you know what I mean. It must have been in the wee hours when you posted this as it is a bit backward, but I think i understand what you wanted to say.
I would have attached some more of a point of view if i was going to attack this subject. Like your for and against, and what brought you to the above statement.
ok, Peter - I read your article (well done) and I read some of the comments. This is the one that truely stuck with me (or into me):
"I believe that chivalry is mostly gone because of feminism. Men raised to take care of women, treat them with respect and honor, have had women step in front of them to open doors themselves, etc., etc. There is nothing wrong with being treated with a little extra respect and care. It's a good thing."
Where do people come up with this sh*t? Why do people insist on making days gone by over into such paradise? Haven't any of these people heard of where the "rule of thumb" came from????? Although some question the source, it was widely accepted by the public that the phrase pertains to the dictum "that a man may legally beat his wife, provided that he used a stick no thicker than his thumb."
Women were only treated with such complete respect and reverence in men's minds. Even with all the laws that have been passed in the past century, women are still being discriminated against in the workplace. Sometimes in subtle ways, sometimes in outright blatant ways.
Feminists' indignacies surrounding these inequalities have been viewed as rude and obnoxious by many, especially men. Sometimes, people need to speak out loudly and forcefully to get their voices heard. Many men don't think it "ladylike" to speak out forcefully or loudly, hence they get labelled as rude.
On the other hand, our society in general (men, women and children) has over time lost the understanding of what constitutes civil, polite behavior. I see parents all the time letting their kids act rudely in public without any reprimand. I don't, however, see this as stemming from feminism, just a general lowering of standards in behavior and respect for others.
Elizabeth Taylor was fighting for the Equal Rights Amendment (while she was married to a Republican who voted against it - ooops Liz). Liz is a feminist if she says so. Anybody else remember ERA?
Speaking of the "battle of the sexes" - reminds me of a 70s joke:
MY HUSBAND BOUGHT ME A MOOD RING THE OTHER DAY. WHEN I'M IN A GOOD MOOD IT TURNS! GREEN. WHEN I'M IN A BAD MOOD, IT LEAVES A RED MARK ON HIS FOREHEAD.
ha ha
Anyway. The point of this article is to point out the other article that has some great comments - follow the link!
I know my mother told me the one about the bra thing- Anyway I think one has to be rude sometimes to make themselves heard and understood when dealing with both men and women.
Men who blame the women's movement for their problems just don't want to accept responsibility. Women who buy into that crud need to look around and start thinking for themselve. Remember, Eleanor Roosevelt said "A well behaved woman never makes history". WOOOOOHOOOOO
I dunno... I think chivalry is in a vegetative state because of feminism. Men raised to treat women with dignity and respect (I'm sorry, someone opening a door for me is a COURTESY... shouldn't I want that?) end up confused and feeling unappreciated... just my two cents.
Lisa - wouldn't you open a door for a man? I do. Some don't even say thanks. Why can't we just treat each other as EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS????? I don't want special treatment as a woman. Everybody should be equally treated with kindness and respect. And that, to me, is what feminism is really about. Don't treat me as property, unless you agree to be treated as property. Don't beat me when you get pissed, unless you agree to be beaten by anyone as well. Don't give me a smaller paycheck if I work as hard as or harder than you do at the same job.
I think people in general a more rude. It's become such a "ME" world that people are more concerned about their own world and how happy THEY are in it. If they don't like someone's actions or words or whatever they feel free to speak right up. So I'm thinking EVERYONE is just more rude! Was that rude to say? LOL
I think men pick up on what kind of woman you are and treat you accordingly. If by your actions and manners you expect a man to be a gentleman and treat you with respect then he will. If you are loud, use fowl language, have no respect for yourself, and behave in a crude manner he will treat you accordingly. Men who have been brought up to respect their mothers treat women well. Women who want to be just one of the boys can expect to be treated as one. Now that is just seventy five years worth of opinion.
I have seen a trend of many NOT all but many younger women behaving rudely and without any good cause or reason. Yes they are rude. Most of them are between 13 and 35. Some a bit older. Disrespectful and rude. To family, friends and total strangers. Older women are not as rude and learned manners. Partly it is lack of parenting and no one home doing the nurturing, Partly due to lack of training and classes in school that USED to teach etiquette and now it seems it is no longer considered something anyone needs to learn. HOW RUDE! Partly because people don't go to church and formal affairs as much or think it is OKAY to wear T-shirt and jeans to any function and I personally am offended at people who do that to weddings, funerals and special events. I agree. Mom went to work some out of need, others out of greed and the kids have not been taught manners as a result.
I always try to be polite and sweet, but you know what? I end up getting the short end of the stick on almost everything. My boss gives me the yucky jobs, because he knows I won't throw a fit; he gives me smaller raises than the unpleasant women who he knows will give him a hard time; and I very rarely get the pleasantness I give out returned to me. In fact, I wonder if some people think I'm a little short on brains because I don't throw back some real zingers. So, likely, I will end up rude at some point. It's just how this economy works, apparently.
Yes, I think society in general has become more rude, stressed, and rushed. Although I'm a complete technology geek, and couldn't imagine living without it, I truly believe that technology is a major factor in all three of the above. Quick explanation is that we're all connected by technology all the time. If we're not on our computers, we're on the phone, or cell, or blackberry. We allow technology, and other people, to control every moment of our lives. Do you REALLY think you're getting downtime when your cell rings nonstop throughout a vacation. Multitasking is stressful, and most of us need to take a step back every once in awhile and turn off the cell, take a walk instead of sitting in front of the computer, maybe just grab a cup of coffee with a friend without interrupting the conversation a half dozen times to respond to someone else's call or text message. I think that would take the stress levels down a little, and the result might just be a little more patience, looking people in the eye, and slowing down to hold a door. lol - the irony is that I'm on my soapbox about this on a computer while I'm on a conference call for work.
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(I had to do this all over again so I could do it with a picture of Lovely Feminist Liz Taylor this time - ha ha!)
(Thank you Joanne - I try - I try - and I think trying makes one better over time)
I think it depends on what news item the local network in a particular country wants to push. all in all, I think most women and most men travel along a path of niceness before nastiness. but you may notice a lot of differences when you are in a fully multicultural area, then it is just the X factor kicking in, If you know what I mean. It must have been in the wee hours when you posted this as it is a bit backward, but I think i understand what you wanted to say.
I would have attached some more of a point of view if i was going to attack this subject. Like your for and against, and what brought you to the above statement.
Cheers Gary
and actually, yeah, sorta true... in a really big generalized sorta way...
"I believe that chivalry is mostly gone because of feminism. Men raised to take care of women, treat them with respect and honor, have had women step in front of them to open doors themselves, etc., etc. There is nothing wrong with being treated with a little extra respect and care. It's a good thing."
Where do people come up with this sh*t? Why do people insist on making days gone by over into such paradise? Haven't any of these people heard of where the "rule of thumb" came from????? Although some question the source, it was widely accepted by the public that the phrase pertains to the dictum "that a man may legally beat his wife, provided that he used a stick no thicker than his thumb."
Women were only treated with such complete respect and reverence in men's minds. Even with all the laws that have been passed in the past century, women are still being discriminated against in the workplace. Sometimes in subtle ways, sometimes in outright blatant ways.
Feminists' indignacies surrounding these inequalities have been viewed as rude and obnoxious by many, especially men. Sometimes, people need to speak out loudly and forcefully to get their voices heard. Many men don't think it "ladylike" to speak out forcefully or loudly, hence they get labelled as rude.
On the other hand, our society in general (men, women and children) has over time lost the understanding of what constitutes civil, polite behavior. I see parents all the time letting their kids act rudely in public without any reprimand. I don't, however, see this as stemming from feminism, just a general lowering of standards in behavior and respect for others.
Speaking of the "battle of the sexes" - reminds me of a 70s joke:
MY HUSBAND BOUGHT ME A MOOD RING THE OTHER DAY. WHEN I'M IN A GOOD MOOD IT TURNS! GREEN. WHEN I'M IN A BAD MOOD, IT LEAVES A RED MARK ON HIS FOREHEAD.
ha ha
Anyway. The point of this article is to point out the other article that has some great comments - follow the link!
Now everybody else go there and stay there until you feel like burning your bra!
Peter - didn't anyone tell you that going without a bra makes one sag prematurely?
Ron - you are hopeless. : - )