Why are people so turned off by her? I'm sure I don't like her platforms, but it's not so far from Obama's, yet people don't have such a strong dislike of anyone like they do for Hillary. Obama may have his detractors, but only Hillary has a DEFAN club. If I met her, I'd probably like her, but I'd never vote for her. Just curious: Is it that she is a woman, and this country still is not ready for that? I find that hard to believe. Is it that she is made of steel? I don't think that. We loved Margaret Thatcher or at least I did. Is she just abrasive? I think that's it!
I find I'm turned off by her state of birth being, Illinois; her first lady postition as wife of the govenor of Arkansas, or her Senate seat from New York.
Who is this woman and where is she really? I think she's from the state of Ambition and it's capitol is Bill.
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The funniest and most blatant sexism comes from other hot headed women who would just have her shut up and sit down - just because.
She's insincere, evasive, deceitful, power-hungry (different from ambitious), contemptuous of others she doesn't see as an equal or someone she can use.... hmmm... there's more, but I'm sure you get the drift. And if she were a man, I'd dislike her for the very same reasons. I wasn't a Bill fan either.
she had the fortitude to hold her head up and ride out the intense wave of criticism, dislike, and even hatred that was directed at her b/c she did NOT leave a philandering husband ...... and believe me, that takes more guts than most people can imagine .... it is MUCH easier to kick the S.O.B. to the curb and get on with your life ......... because she did NOT do this, she has my admiration and respect .....
I think that we NEED a leader in the white house who can brazen out a tough situation ... and she has proven only too well, that she CAN do so ....
how ironic that she is reviled for the leadership qualities that any MALE candidtate would be praised for ...... and that she is despised for dealing with a very personal, destructive situation in her marriage -- in a VERY public forum ...
more power to her ..... this country needs someone who knows the system and the ins-and-outs of the current political processes .... someone who knows where some of the bodies are buried, so to speak, and can withstand public scrutiny and condemnation with strength, fortitude, and yes .... even a bit of class
I think she might just be the best person for this job, at this point in time .... and, if she has Obama as the VP, he can get a bit of "on-the-job" training and become better qualified to take over as president when the time comes ..... I think they might make a good team ....
America will be either rewarded or punished for the choice that we make in November. I hope Hilary haters do not cut off all of our noses to spite one woman's face.
She has a right to be ambitious---Why is it men are admired for being ambitious and women are scorned?---no, it's not her ambitions, it's her way of being, and as Mariana said, a lack of sincerity in the way she comes across.
All of that said, I think she has what it takes to be President, I'd just rather not have in office another President that I don't trust or respect.
Does anyone think John McCain, Barak Obama, Mike Huckabe or anyone else who is currently or ever has run ro President was NOT ambitious and power-hungry? Of couse, the one thing they all have in common is they are male, and those traits are often seen as positive, whereas in women, they are STILL seen as negative, especially by those who lack them. Until people in this country can get over sex stereotypes, ANY woman running for president - who is actually qualified to be there anyway, is going to be seen as a mean-spirited, power-crazed b&%@h by a good chunk of the (especially female) population. So sad.
I will not say she is a liar, but I will say that what she says and what she does is often completely different. She will often talk a nice middle of the road talk, but then walk the walk of the most extreme side of her party. When she first ran for her seat in the senate she made a wonderful speech about how we needed to reach a compromise between the pro-choice and the pro-life factions by reducing the need for abortions in the first place. Then in the senate she went out of her way to oppose the elimination of the barbaric practice of partial birth abortions even though most "pro-choice" people would insist that such methods were not technically necessary for the sake of the woman's health or life.
Think of that carefully when you hear her statements about what she is going to do about the troops in Iraq. Is she saying something that she knows you want to hear? Will she simply reallocate those troops to her own personal war in Afghanistan? (Or should I say Pakistan?)
This has nothing to do with her being a woman. This has everything to do with what I call "Liberal Elitism Disease," the ability to jump straight to the knee jerk party line without bothering to actually engage in the brain before hand. I think she caught it after being exposed to it from Al Gore, the elitist guru of Carbon Emissions.
A lot of people hate women in general, more so if they have any power. Martha Stewart, she did nothing, got jail, Ken Lay STOLE for the country and the people, and he would have gotten off if he lived to be sentenced. Just like Libby, he got off and smirked all the way home over it.
It's just something "those" people do, spread lies and take down good people. She has the power, the knowledge and the connections to get done what needs to be done and has the vision to repair this country. But they will be blinded by Obama's talking points. I liked him when he first beat Allen Keys, Heck I could have beaten that guy for senate! Obama's wet behind the ears and needs more time to grow, just as Edwards does that's why Edwards never gets far in these races.
I'm not saying Obama will destroy this country, hell Bush already did that, I just don't think he really knows how to fix it and what he can and can't do as the Leader of the country other than make pretty speech's because the President has no power! It's the senate and congress and the Supreme Court that passes stuff, the president just signs off, I know not what Bush did but he did put his puppets in there to help him be a bigger bully than he was before he hit that chair.
But this is just my thoughts. Thanks for the question.
What Hillary is, is a woman who utilizes the strengths of others to get ahead. And then wants the credit for it.
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Ever heard of Bush Derangement Syndrome? It's commonplace on Gather. It's even made it's way into this thread about HRC. A friend of mine started right after Bush was first elected with hateful remarks and I was surprised how personal they were so early on in the presidency. I've seen disfavor for many presidents but nothing as personal as has been directed at Bush.
As for H. Clinton, she's a carpetbagger and an opportunist. As someone else wrote, if her husband weren't president no one would give her a second look. Personally, I think she's an egomaniac and a socialist to boot. If she gets elected, Bush Derangement Syndrome will look petty compared to the slurs she will have aimed at her.
Some years later, now in Congress she VOTED FOR THE VERY SAME LEGISLATION.
There is no moral center to the woman, only greed, need, and arrogance.
This was an excellent point by Bethany. She gives a list of women who were true trailblazers. people who did things that inspired future generations of females. Look at Condoleezza Rice. never married and came from a poor family. Look at what she has achieved.
Then you look at Hillary. She has been called a trailblazer by her supporters and N.O.W. and within her campaign but what has she done? Can anybody recall a speech or a cause that she championed and saw through that made a difference? She was on the corporate Board of Walmart. That sounds impressive but when you factor in the fact that she was offered the position AFTER her husband won the governorship of Arkansas it sounds more like a conflict of interest. Getting offered a seat on a corporate board of one of the largest corporations in the country who's headquarters just happens to be in the state that your husband is thew governor?
Then there is the Rose Law Firm and and all the failed investments and lost records after the investigations....
The scandals go on and on but I challenge any of her supporters to explain to me what makes Hillary a trailblazers for women to aspire too. What it looks like to me is that she was on a limo-ride behind a bulldozer (Bill) and is trying to form a legacy with spin and distortion. She may be very intelligent and she was an exceptional college student but from where I am sitting her life and accomplishments thereafter suggest that women should marry a man that is going places and don't take the risk of achieving things on your own.
Hear! Hear!
I do not mean, "Hear! Hear! to doing this, Jeff. What I mean is the very opposite. When are some women going to STOP doing this? Why can't Hillary stand on her own two feet, and be an example to the young women of today that they DO NOT need a "Bill" to do it for them.
Point well made, Jeff.
Too many of Obama's supporters (at least the ones I have talked to personally here in Ohio) are only for him because of his race and that he is not a woman. I won't vote for a candidate if race is an issue. We're all pink and squishy on the inside. It doesn't matter.
Plus he has Oprah in his pocket and that is another reason I won't vote for him.
Then theres the whole issue of his skirting issues by not voting.
I could go on for hours lol
People just can't stand the thought of a strong, secure woman. Makes 'em jittery lol
so no more, say no more......
know what I mean..... " ................
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