In my recent position as manager of the Executive Customer Assistance Team at a large computer security company, one of my duties was to listen to and evaluate calls taken by my team and sometimes by members of the Tier III Customer Service Team with which my team was closely affiliated and from which it sprung... err... sprang... ummmm, came. The idea was to identify areas where the agents could improve their performance, but also to identify issues that affected customers and behaviors that customers engaged in that might require additional training or coaching for the agents.
Jose Carreon (not his real name) was a bright young man on the Tier III team. I was listening to a few of his calls because an opening was coming up on my team, and I needed to evaluate the agents on his team to see if any of them might be an appropriate fit. I always preferred to choose my agents from among employees who already had a thorough grounding in the company's products, processes and procedures as well as the types of issues that were likely to result in an escalated customer contact.
This company sells a service that protects customers' computers, and the service is in the form of a yearly subscription, which is automatically renewed at the end of its term. Actually, the renewal process begins a whole month before the expiration date. Many customers, if not most of them, either don't read the license agreement when they make their first purchase, or if they do, they manage to forget about the renewal by the time it rolls around. As you might imagine, this drives a great many calls from people who complain about an unauthorized charge to their credit or debit card or PayPal account.
This call was from a woman who was already crying and shrieking -- yes, shrieking! -- when the call was connected to Jose. It took a while to determine that the issue about which she was calling was that a payment had been taken from her checking account, and she did not expect it. As a result, her account was going to be overdrawn, and her account would be hit with overdraft fees from the bank.
Now, I'm not going to get into a discussion of the ethics or lack thereof of having a yearly service default to automatic renewal. I've been having that discussion for a large chunk of the last seven years, and I'm grateful not to have to have it any longer. I will say that at least the company implemented a policy of allowing refunds of automatic renewal fees for sixty days after the charge had occurred, rather than the thirty day refund policy normally adhered to. In addition, when I left, it appeared that after many years of fruitless argument, they were actually going to start sending an email notice before the charge occurred, instead of the 'fait accompli' email that they had been sending out that announced (not in so many words), "Ha! Ha! We got your money!" after the fact.
I digress. That stuff is probably a whole different "My Job Stinks!" article. LOL!
Anyway, this lady was very upset because she did not have a lot in the way of financial resources, and it took all Jose's considerable skill just to talk her down to the point where she was somewhat coherent. Coherent, though, does not necessarily mean calm, and calm was not a state which our lady was going to achieve.
The thing that made her the worst customer I ever heard was the way she threatened poor Jose, who is young, Hispanic, very Catholic, and extremely superstitious. I daresay that had his background been different, the call might have been at least slightly less harrowing for him. He needed to confirm her billing address, both as a security measure and to ensure that she received her refund check in a timely manner. Her response was to provide her address, which was located in a small community in New York state that you might be familiar with -- Amityville. Every time she came to the name of her town, she would shout, "Yes! THAT Amityville!"
Now, that was enough by itself to freak out young Jose, but that wasn't enough for our lady. She began to string together a huge run of threats, all of the supernatural variety and all ending with the words, "and that I swear on the pentacle on my finger!"
The piece de resistance, though, was her request for a letter from the company stating that the renewal had been automatic, that the company had not notified her prior to charging her, and that the company had refunded the charge to her by check. She requested that Jose sign the letter personally, in his blood!
The call took about an hour and forty-five minutes, if I remember correctly, and at the end I would estimate the size of Jose's eyes as about the same as your standard dinner plate. He later reported to me that he had nightmares for several days after this particular call.
When one deals with customers on the telephone, they can certainly be difficult to handle. There are some who will scream, bully, lie, or ladle scorn over you like sauce on a sundae. But this one was the only customer I ever heard who threatened to cast a curse upon the CSR and requested that he sign her letter in his blood.


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Sorry that is a rant of another topic LOL. She defiantly sounds like a fruitcake. I have found the best way to get refunds from companies is to first. . . be a sane human being on the phone and only resort to screaming as a last resort, but NEVER use a religious symbol as part of veiled threats.
people. .. i swear.
This is a good crazy customer story for sure!
This woman is mentally ill and poor Jose sounds like a sweet man.
I love working as a CSR. The screaming, crying, swearing people don't bother me in the least... I usually try not to giggle about it. These people and the Elderly just give me a chuckle.
My poor mother-in-law was trying it out for a company that does telesurvays. She got this elderly woman that the moment she picked up the phone, she took something like a FOG HORN and blew it into the phone. My mother-in-law was so upset when the lady got on the phone and chuckling said "take that!" that my mother-in-law started swearing at the old woman and threatening to sue her if she did damage to her hearing hahahahaha.
I worked directly for one of those people who design the phone numbers, and if there is any sort of punishment in the afterlife, I take some (only slightly guilty) pleasure in the idea that she is definitely in for it. Hahahaha!
Heather, about the time I pressed the Publish button I thought of you, so I added that comment for the benefit of those who might not know there is a difference. Sorry, was too lazy to go back and go through the steps to edit again. But in my own defense, 1 a.m. is about an hour past my normal bedtime. ;-)
Sharon, at least at the company I worked at, asking for a manager is the exact right thing to do. That strategy will get you from Tier I customer service to Tier II, then Tier III (the first level where you can speak to someone in the United States), then either to that team's supervisor or to the Executive team, depending on various factors. Calling executives directly, if one can figure out how to do it, will also get you to the Executive team, where you will be given essentially what you are asking for, except in those instances where you are just asking for something that makes utterly no sense, is ***completely*** unreasonable, or downright impossible.
Elizabeth, thanks for stopping by. Glad I could give you a giggle. :-)
Melanie, I felt the same way; at the same time I felt so sorry for Jose but it was so hilarious I couldn't help but laugh (while being extremely grateful that this lady did not land on MY line!). Your poor mother-in-law! I hope her hearing was not affected! I hate telemarketing calls as much as the next person, but there's no need to get abusive!
Linda, indeed it does take all kinds, and the skills necessary to handle them should be valued much more highly than they are, IMHO. My hubby says he could never do the job, either; I'm pretty sure he would be fired within his first day of being on the phones.
Ann, it ain't easy. :-)
Mary, my heart goes out to you. That kind of job can really suck the life out of a person. I hope it's working for you, at least for the time being. :-)
Yikes for the poor woman who was suddenly overdrawn (money IS a big deal).
Yikes for the guy who had nothing to do with that having to deal with it.
Any company that automatically takes money out every year has a serious ethical issue. My Norton tried to trick me into doing that. There should be a law against it! It's almost as good as robbing. When people feel robbed and tricked they get VERY upset and they have every right! A person could be paying for a subscription they've long forgotten about for a computer they don't have anymore - FOR YEARS!
(how many of us feel that by now our computer is our life - ha ha)
Debra, I can completely understand how one can panic in such a circumstance. Especially when you don't have much money to start with and some big, heartless corporation steps in to make your situation worse. :-(
To be honest, I'm surprised that most people wouldn't understand that with a lot/most companies online or dealing with computers and subscriptions that the subscription is going to automatically renew unless you cancel your service.
Even Pogo.com has their services fee's set to automatically renew.
I strongly agree with the advice of keeping a close eye on credit cards/checking, but I also would like to advise, if you're signing up for anything that is a subscription, make sure you fully read and fully understand what that subscription details before agreeing to it. Most of the time you'll find that your subscription is going to be set to automatically renewed.
Thanks, Melissa!
Personally I would have given the woman 2 warnings and then disconnected the call. I had some doozies in the 7 yrs as a CSR but nothing that bad!
I think that people are becoming ruder in general - not just with CSRs. It seems that people have decided not to like each other. I would never yell at a CSR or anyone else for that matter unless it was a matter of life and death and that was the only way to save the person.
1. Give them one free shot. Ignore it and see if you can get some communication going. After all, they're frustrated and had to fight their way through a bunch of people to get to me.
2. Explain that "I would really like to help you get this resolved, but if you continue to speak to me that way I won't be able to."
3. "I'm sorry, but if you continue to speak to me that way, I WILL disconnect the call."
4. I'm so sorry I couldn't help you. I will be disconnecting the call now."
In all the years I followed this process, it worked nearly 100% of the time. Rarely did I have to get to step 4.