The Kyoto Treaty, intended to decrease global warming, is set to expire in 2012. Leaders from around the world are meeting in Bali, Indonesia to discuss what will replace it.
The Kyoto Treaty has largely been a failure for a number of reasons. Its “cap and trade” system is too complicated and allows tricky means of evasion. It also exempts developing nations such as India and China, which have huge populations and swelling economies. Indeed China is set to shortly replace the U.S. as the number one emitter of global warming gases. The U.S. is still far ahead of any other country in global warming emissions per person, however.
Therein lies the other reason for Kyoto’s failure. The U.S. has refused to ratify the treaty or provide any kind of leadership for a workable international system to alleviate global warming. This is part of a pattern of contempt for international law and diplomacy, under Bush. In the past seven years, the U.S. has moved from being, in Madeleine Albright’s words, the “indispensable nation,” respected around the world, to a kind of pathetic joke version of its former self.
The recent Middle East summit indicates that this leadership vacuum might be changing, although it is probably too little too late. Regarding global warming, it seems likely that the U.S. will continue to come up short, as the Bush administration remains staunchly opposed to mandatory emissions controls. With its insistence on voluntary standards with no teeth, the U.S. is simply keeping itself out of the process.
What should the U.S. be doing? We should demand a better treaty, one with consistent standards that treat every country, every corporation, every business, every polluter the same. While doing so we should also work to build a world system, a version of globalization, that helps the environment and is more equitable to the rights of workers and local communities.
The best way to do this is through an international tax on carbon and other global warming gases (which I’ll refer to as a “carbon tax” for short). The current international cap and trade system by its nature does not treat everyone the same. It starts from a baseline that rewards countries and companies that have been inefficient in the past while penalizing those that have been highly polluting.
Economist William Nordhaus explains that the Kyoto Treaty, which uses a 1990 baseline, “penalizes efficient countries (like Sweden) or rapidly growing countries (such as Korea and the United States). It also gives a premium to countries with slow growth or with historically high carbon-energy use (such as Britain, Russia, and Ukraine)” (After Kyoto).
A cap and trade system can be “gamed,” used to make money without actually lowering global warming, in a variety of ways (Lipow). Special interests will lobby to increase their cut of the credits (Vencat). Critics claim that by cutting down trees and replanting, one can get credit for the replanting (Guyana) and that polluters can build or maintain dirty factories, then get credit for cleaning them up. (Huessy, Mongoven) A carbon tax, by contrast, would penalize high polluting factories as they burn fuel, so the incentive would be to build them clean in the first place.
A carbon tax means that polluters all pay the same per unit of pollution. There is no incentive to game the system. The only incentive is to emit fewer global warming gases.
Countries will thus move to conserve energy and to develop alternative energy sources, such as wind, solar, and biofuels. A sudden, huge carbon tax would not be viable, however. The U.S. would pay more per person because we pollute more, while China and India would also pay far more than currently.
An international carbon tax would have to start small and gradually rise over the span of decades. This would give us time to plan and prepare, to implement in the most economically sensible way. In the long run, it would actually help us, since we’d move away from a dangerous dependence on international oil and environmentally devastating coal.
To sweeten the pot, to make the deal advantageous for everyone, technology sharing should be built into any new agreement, for instance from Europe which is advanced in energy conservation.
An international carbon tax would have other benefits. It would encourage more local commerce, and in doing so alleviate some of the problems of the current version of globalization. To an extent, it would replace some trade barriers that have been coming down. This is because transportation of goods uses fossil fuels, increasing global warming. By contrast, making polluters pay for the damage they cause means that goods shipped around the world would cost more.
Immigrant labor would also become slightly more expensive, due to the increased cost of moving workers. Someone would need to pay for the environmental damage caused by moving large populations hither and yon. Local workforces would thus regain some of the attractiveness that they have lost in recent decades. A carbon tax would also offset the tendency to move goods from countries with cheap labor costs.
Globalization has changed the balance of power between large businesses and labor, making it more difficult for employees to negotiate. What tariffs had once done, in an illogical manner with possible pernicious side effects, a carbon tax would do in a more logical manner, through forcing payment for the nasty environmental side-effects of movement of goods and workers.
An international carbon tax would bring the world together in terms of governance and technology sharing. It would move the world a bit apart, however, in terms of goods and labor, thus returning to local places a bit of the power they have lost in recent decades. It would help create a more egalitarian version of globalization while fighting global warming, the greatest long-term challenge of the 21st century.
Ethan Goffman, Politics and Environment Correspondent:
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What is needed is a technology shift particularly in transportation.
Admittedly, I read this in a hurry, but it seems I missed who would collect the tax and what it would be spent on.
Thanks for the research and the great article.
How would this work out? My earlier articles discussed a number of such policy details. To reduce carbon dioxide, we should tax fossil fuel and spend the proceeds to subsidize local supply of renewable energy. To reduce methane, we should tax meat and use the proceeds to subsidize things such as vegan-organic restaurants in communities without roads. To reduce nitrous oxide, we should tax fertilizers, using the proceeds to subsidize agrichar. Similarly, a shift could be achieved from the conventional way of making concrete to better alternatives. Nations should adjust the percentage of each tax depending on their meeting of annual targets, keep each other informed about progress and review policies on an annual basis.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/chi-mon_credits_1203dec03,0,1548791.story
they burn their forests to create grazing land to raise and sell beef to fat-behind consumers world wide.
Currently 6 million + acres of rainforest annually is being cut down to grow palm oil which is converted to bio diesel to help the E.U get closer to it's Kyoto requirements.
Would we pay them to NOT grow palm oil?
The answer is NOT taxes, the answer is incentivizing research into solutions that will solve the problem. Keeping our economies strong so our citizens can afford to be "green".
Across our planet the societies that are the least green are the ones that are the least affluent.
In poor societies across our planet many people still burn wood for cooking and heat, and the reason they do is because of a lack of affordable energy, we need to produce MORE energy to allow these societies to pollute less
Alternatives may be gaining ground in more affluent societies but they are so expensive at this time that they are not an option in the less affluent economies.
Nuclear energy is one form of energy that is clean, safe and inexpensive, take the time to read the facts about nuclear energy in my series at my group.
http://nuclearenergy.gather.com/
industrialized countries emit more carbon per capita than less developed countries (LDCs). imposing a carbon tax on LDCs will prevent progress towards industrialization by imposing a huge burden upon the economy, and a bigger burden as a country gets more and more developed. as a result, people in LDCs die because industrialization did not lenthen their lives. if you say that people should die now to potentially save people's lives in the future, volunteer yourself first. especially if you live in a developed country with high per capita carbon emmissions.
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http://www.unc.edu/~mason/hand.html
My solution is the only practical way to avoid the cynical exploitation of any plan by those who can make money by cheating. Any form of taxation makes cheating almost impossible to prevent. There is too much money involved to prevent temptation from being overwhelming for thousands of powerful people.
My solution also brings a host of other benefits (no war, mo poverty, no taxes, no government oppression, and more) as well. Read it. You'll like it. Besides, how often do you get a chance to communicate directly with the author of a book you read?
i suppose we slave masters need to plan for those third world people, eh? and the governments need to plan for us slaves, i mean citizens, eh?
how about a real proof of global warming for one. maybe even a court case. i mean, if carbon dioxide is a real pollutant, prove it in court, then prosecute those who emit it, which means everybody. how about remembering the medieval warm period, and the times when 5x as much CO2 in the atmophere did not mean death and destruction to humans?
okay, you still believe in plans, my plan is let people decide their own plans. this plan is called freedom. individual freedom is the only kind of freedom. happy now?
I, too, was looking for the info on what the tax money would be used for, and what bureaucracy would be in charge of it. But, more than that - I agree that starting off slow is necessary, but "over decades" seems like it will be not effective enough.
I like the idea of "incentivizing" alternatives, as Dan suggested - tho I disagree with some of his analysis on affluent/not affluent societies. Yes, the tax could be the means to fund the research.
And, Joseph H., EVEN if the sun was the sole cause for global warming, do you disagree that we should start planning for the coming day when it becomes incredibly costly to bring up the remaining oil reserves?
For all your yammering, you utter nonsense. You speak of freedom, but it's obvious you have no idea of what that means. Freedom is a matter of ones own point of view. With freedom comes responsibility. Do your rights include the "freedom" to destroy the environment that we all depend on for our existence? I think not. Yes, we do have the right to determine our own destiny, but we do not have the right to act irresponsibly.
Global warming is real my friend and it is threatening our very existence. I'm sorry, but we simply do not have time to wait for the stupid among us to get it. We can't be satisfied with simply lowering carbon emmissions, we have to eliminate them and now.
Is that a penis next to your face?
the only responsibility i have to you is not to impose my will upon you. that is what freedom is all about.
and no, that's my finger.
This proposal would only be one part of a complete plan (though I believe a central part). Of course we have to do something about destruction of rain forest. And technology research should also be subsidized (although higher taxes on global warming gases would incentivize alternative research).
I left a lot out of this, such as how the taxes would be assessed and collected and what would be done with them. This is because it's only short article proposing an overall policy direction, far, far, far from a comprehensive plan.
"The very idea of Freedom allows me the freedom to do something that you think is wrong." So does this include shooting someone? How about throwing garbage on someone's lawn? Given our physical limitations sharing a planet unlimited freedom is impossible. The idea is to balance freedom with responsibility, trying to provide the greatest good for the greatest number while protecting minority rights.
"industrialized countries emit more carbon per capita than less developed countries (LDCs). imposing a carbon tax on LDCs will prevent progress towards industrialization." Developed countries emit far more carbon and will pay far more. Imposing the carbon taxes gradually will give countries time to react. With technology sharing built into international agreements, developing countries will have plenty of time and ability to move on a sustainable, high-technology path toward improving their lives. Africa, for instance, emits the fewest climate change gases yet pays the highest price for climate change--they deserve a plan that will systematically cut down on these emissions.
Throwing words like "communist" and "socialist" around is a variant on an ad hominem attack known as "poisoning the well." It proves nothing about the actual discussion going on. I suggest you look up an explanation of basic logical fallacies.
I have to run and won't have time to respond again till tomorrow.
By the way I did buy $3000 worth of solar panel stock about a year ago, and it now lists at $8000. That in now way changes the fact that the human race's response to the realities of climate change is totally inadequate so far.
The mini-boom in renewable energy is not enough in itself to prevent the rise in sea levels and increases in droughts and crop failures predicted by science. More is needed. Call it socialism if you wish, but the marketplace alone so far has failed to rise to the challenge.
your life and your property is an extension of you. something becomes your property if it was previously unowned and you mix your labor with it, or purchase it from someone who rightfully owns it. you rightfully have control over your own property, but not other people's property.
arguing you're not a communist without considering the definition communism is not good logic.
Description of Poisoning the Well
This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This "argument" has the following form:
1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.
I thought Australia was the highest per person with the US second? It's a meaningless data set anyway by itself, due to standards of living, populations that are increasing or stable, manufacturing bases, regions of the world for heating or cooling, etc. etc.
Why should the US accept a treaty, that by your own words is a failure, and by all accounts any signatory with growing populations or economies isn't going to meet anyway? To feel good signing a worthless piece of paper? That's leadership, and the fault of the US?
Frankly, some of this no-care polluting "bad boy" US image is crap. Ever look into buying foreign cars? Ever notice why many aren't available for export, or special models made for the US? They can't pass our environmental or safety standards in many cases. So whom is leading whom in better cars for earth and people etc. as a small example. We drive most of the world crazy with our laws on food and manufactured products imported, the handling of hazardous materials and pollutants, and the other way 'round at times too though.
I agree we should do more things, and we are with companies and people through technologies and legislation, large well thought out recycling programs, and just plain old awareness; with more to go as more is known. How does this tax stop just off-loading work that is CO2 polluting to those that don't have our tight laws, or more carbon room to spare, or just doesn't care? That doesn't really fix anything, but is another potential thing to consider. We (they- i.e. international tax) could end up taxing the work straight out of the country, which is no more than another form of "trading carbon credits" scheme some countries are doing, but hurting jobs or mfg bases here as has happened in the past.
I also know that even if human input to the problem was fixed today, the planet is still going to warm or cool at it's own pleasure by many other factors as well; just as it has repeatedly in the past making humans change locals etc. That doesn't mean we should make it worse faster though, as well as taking a good hard look at where we build/live in the future.
Again, I don't think taxes, or following the pack on an admitted political failure is the answer. It gets votes though, and that part bugs me. I wish I had all the answers, but what one nation can do, may not and is not good for another, a very complicated issue.
By the way, I cringe when the biggest argument for Kyoto or similar in some debate is property damage quotes with cities and properties built right on the water. Is that what this is all about, if it is, I'm not that worried anymore. The people that built them, or occupied property at sea level never studied Earth history and are in for a surprise no matter what and will have to adapt; the planet is dynamic and they just didn't think it would happen while they were alive. Not too much unlike those in houses built with stilts on a steep hill, someday...
Just how long do people think the planet climate or sea levels would stay the same anyway?
Thanks for your thoughts, and a good article.
PS- When I first heard the latest discussions on a replacement for Kyoto were to be held on an Island (Bali) potentially threatened by rising sea levels, my first instinct was that it's a political statement right off the bat, ripe for protesters, over reactions by pundits, and media circus shows accomplishing nothing. We'll see, hopefully some good work can be done.
P.S. Whose idea was it to have hundereds of people fly thousands of miles each to a tropical island to discuss CO2 emmissions? Am I the only one who finds this somewhat hypocritical?
As to the 95-0 Senate vote on Kyoto back in the 90s, that was then and this is now. I do not believe that you will see a 95-0 result for the next bit of climate change legislation to go before the US Senate.
1. no, most of the $3 we pay for gas is not taxes.
2. the taxes on gas in no way pay for the road construction and repair that governments have to shell out for. Nor do they pay the costs for our military efforts to patrol the middle east
Hey Josnuff,
If we aren't supposed to take Global Warming or climate change seriously, then why should we take terrorism seriously?
The threats are similar, the loss of lives equally palpable, the imminent danger of either could be suspect and initiatives in regards to both only have positive outcomes.
So, a viable terrorist threat could be countered with education, cultural awareness, sanctions, universal cooperation and LASTLY, war.
What's the plan for climate change?
4. You have been winning the battle on taxing gasoline for the past 30 years, and where has it gotten us? Into an incredible mess. Many conservatives talk of environmental policy as if they have been on the losing end of the fight. Get serious, you have won every policy battle for the past generation, and it has put us into an impossible situation fiscally as well as environmentally.
So like I said I'm all for doing something for the enviroment but it can't all be done at once without serious financial consequences.
I keep hearing " energy independence" but god forbid that we tap into reserves we have here at home. That isn't really what is wanted is it?
Opps should I have used god here? Don't want anyone to think I'm pushing religion on them.
Joseph, here's a quote from you: "you are a communist central planner." Now here's the definition you gave of Poisoning the Well:
1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.
and the topic has become lost.
Tax those that ignore restrictions on carbon emissions? This only increases taxes; it will not reduce carbon emission.
Do we need LAWS to reduce carbon emission? I would hope not. But the hammer needs to come down hard on the heads of some who choose to ignore the fact that our very continuing existence is at stake. FOR REAL.
Dramatic changes need to be made. Quickly. I wish I had the solution. However, convening in one place to discuss the options and ideas is a good idea that the U.S. should not ignore altogether. Do we have a better plan? Let the world hear it. If not, sit down, shut up and hold on. Because the rest of the world will make the decision for us.
it sickens me when I hear people talking about new taxes, or raising taxes because they believe politicians who tell them it will only be the rich who pay, or only the large corporations who pay. the fact is when a new tax is created, it eventually affects everyone. Just look at the AMT which was initially put in place for about 150 people, and will soon affect several million.
adj
1. often communist Relating to, characteristic of, or held to resemble communism or Communists.
1. you called me a communist
2. my feelings got hurt
3. therefore, you are wrong
Well, maybe you are a little liberal.
But you failed to anser the question. Seriously, give me your opinion why terrorism is any more a viable threat than climate change.
It has not happened.
Now scientists have apparently changed their minds and "the earth has a fever." My question is, at what point over the past 10 years did the "science" change from "Ice Age" to "fever?"
And how to average readers, like Ethan, know beyond a shadow of a doubt that "global warming is real?" So much so that they create blogs like this, write well crafted articles and, for those that disagree with them, the most visceral hate-filled venemous replies.
And this idea that we can just "tax carbon" just like that and "poof" global warming will end! With all due respect, how does Ethan know? Taxes have a huge negative drag on economies. China, India and the rest of the industrialized world will NOT be inspired to follow our lead and tax carbon. On the contrary. They will move in to fill the vacuum left by our national suicide.
How can Nathan speak with such authority on something that he has no experience on? Has he ever run a city, a country, a nation in which he has had to enact a tax and global warming has ended? That is, does he have a record to back his proposal? Why should we heed his advice? Why should we take him seriously? Because it is the current mantra of the environmental movement?
I don't mean any disrespect to anyone's beliefs, but we need to ask ourselves some tough quesions before we get the vapors over articles like this.
My replies have in no way been "visceral hate-filled venemous," but have stuck to facts and argument.
Another unrelated issue that the stupid sieze upon to deny scientific research.
Again, taxes would destroy our way of life. Is Ethan ready to bicycle to work, heat his home, meals,bath water, etc. with a wood fire like they did on Little House on the Prairie? Will he wipe his butt on large leaves, instead of industry-produced toilet paper?
Ethan has no idea of how a "carbon tax" would impact the rest of our lives. He deals with the issue in a vaccuum. His syncophants, and disciples on this site break out in hives, and vapors; do they really want to live the way the natives do in the jungles in Africa? because that is excatly what a carbon tax would do to our economy.
Part of the functioning of a democracy is to allow forums where citizens can discuss important issues. Of course we need experts, but we can't just leave everything solely to the experts. Otherwise why is any of us qualified to comment on Gather or even to vote?
I'm also thankful that people a lot smarter than me are weighing in on this issue in platforms larger than this and combatting this idiocy that "the planet has a fever." I am sitting here in NE Ohio frezzing my hairy, Italian ass off. Global warming, my eye.
This is one of the priceless examples of small-minded irrationality that one hopes to save for re-reading a few years from now.
Now THAT is priceless.
I get it. You right-wing fear mongering conservatives will just compare us to "The world is at an end" sign-holding homeless man.
My question is just this.
Why shouldn't we be just as concerned over carbon emissions, water pollution, chemical hazards, oil spills, lead contaminants, ozone depletion, species extinction as we are over international terrorism and domestic terrorism.
And quite frankly, I think the conservative base has freaked out over few thousand extremists (which have always been around throughout history in one culture or another) much more than liberals have freaked out about climate change.
I don't need to hear Rocco show his ignorance of the facts by citing that his 150 square mile radius is experiencing cold temperatures, so that is PROOF that Global Warming is bunk and EVERY aspect of climate change is garbage.
How absolutely narrow minded.
and yes, the SUVs and industrialization has caused the Martian ice caps to melt. wake up, sheeple!
http://blog.mises.org/archives/007523.asp
i think terrorism is a big deal. people are terrified of the government. bin laden didn't take away our freedoms, the government did. if you compare 9/11 to the reichstag fire, there are many parallels.
Taxation gives more power where there is already too much. So huge companies have a bigger government to try to get welfare for themselves out of.
Government has close to a monopoly on coercion. From my point of view, only remedies that reduce government's share of the economy end up promoting general welfare.
So, for example, if taxes are reduced, government would have less money to buy Monsanto products to poison things in low-income areas.
As one of the few females in this conversation, I certainly do not want to get in a pissing contest with anyone.
I do want to propose that tax-reductions are far better ways to change behavior. California put in massive tax incentives for solar roofs, and the results are encouraging, Googlable, and probably a reason for increases in solar-company stock prices.
People who could afford to buy stuff and hire people made the investments encouraged by incentives. We didn't throw people out of work because the cost of doing business skyrocketed to fill government pockets for who-knows-what that could easily be diverted from the originally stated purpose.
My position is that policies that increase corruption have deleterious consequences. Rewarding responsible behavior is more efficient than mugging people and then attempting to account for the lucre procured thereby in a system that is anything but transparent.
Free agents kept accountable by their liability insurers may take better actions than those who can exempt themselves from liability (governments). Admittedly, some corporations use their corporate forms to behave like governments, but this is harder to do in a competitive environment by corporations not enmeshed with governments.
We have examples where sustainable-energy-production infrastructures have increased. It is better to replicate these than to encourage punitive measures.