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by chris w.
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December 15, 2006

American's take Hope; Obama Not Running as Strong as Media Wants You to Think

July 30, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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To hear the mainstream media tell it, Barack Hussein Obama is already the president-elect. As far as they are concerned the election (or coronation if you prefer) is simply a formality that must be endured. They gleefully show polls showing Obama with a lead anywhere from 3% (Rasmussen) to 9 or 10% ABC News. It sems halcyon days are approaching for the America Haters and socialists of our great country. But wait a second. While Andrea Mitchell was busy working under Obama's desk, occasionally banging her head on the way out of her preferred position, to make nauseatingly biased "reporting" of Obama's "Citizen of the World" tour, a funny thing was happening back home in the USA. It seems quite a few Americans found the way Obama urinated on the the reputation of our country distasteful. While his toadies cheered his denigration of our country, it's people and our military, middle America began taking notice. What should have been a big bounce in the polls for Obama, instead was flat and in some polls a dip.

        Here's another little secret about the election polls you won't here reported by most media outlets; at this same point in the last election Kerry was leading Bush by 18-20%. At the same point in the election before that Gore was leading Bush by 20+%. Prior to that Dukakis was leading Bush Sr. by 24%. Before that it was the immortal Fritz Mondale beating up on ronald Reagn by a whopping 26%. For those of you with short memories or a history deficiency, the Democrats lost each and every one of those elections.

        Want more promising news for America? There's this; A recent Rasmussen poll found that in a generic election the Democrats are running ahead of the Republicans by about 20%. In other words when they asked prospective voters if they would vote for a Democrat or Republican in their local, state and federal elections, the Democrats were 20% ahead of the Republicans, however when those same people were asked to choose either McCain or Obama, that number dropped to 8%.

        In an election where Vinnie the talking donkey ought to be able clean up against a Republican, Obama (the golden boy) can't seem to pull away from an admittedly weak opponent in John McCain. Here's one more tidbit to give hope to people who love this country and aren't eager to see it turned into some socialist, spineless laughingstock. Throughout the Democrat primaries Obama's actual numbers were on average 8-10% lower than polls in every state. In other words when polls showed him with a 20% lead he actually won by 10-12%. There are several explantation for this. First is a fear of saying you won't vote for Obama and not wanting to listen to his little trolls call you a racist for being informed. Second a not insignificant number of Obama supporters either don't vote or unregistered to vote and can't.

        So fellow patriots don't despair this race is not over yet. While conservatives must concede Congress to the socialist party for this cycle, the presidency is still up for grabs. While John McCain may not be a conservative he is far more desireable than the America hating, affirmative action, elitist socialist the Democrats have chosen.

        If you had these two in front of you and had to pick one based on their resumes and not based on flowery rhetoric, racial guilt and affirmative action set asides, how long would it take for you to pat Barack Hussein Obama on the head and tell him you don't start off as CEO of Google, why don't you apply for an administrative position and come back in 8 years....?

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Comments: 115

t b. Jul 30, 2008, 11:11am EDT
You are too funny Chris...
I haven't been keeping up.
I never believe what the news or newspapers say anyway.
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Susan O. Jul 30, 2008, 11:14am EDT
I am still hoping for a roll call vote with Hillary being the winner.
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Apryl Just Apryl Jul 30, 2008, 11:17am EDT
I see Obama as a Jimmy Carter repeat. I have been watching the polls and saw the dips and the numbers flat line last week. I hope McCain picks a "conservative" running mate. McCain was not my first choice but he represents my ideals and values more than Obama.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 11:49am EDT
I've said it from the beginning and I'll repeat it now:

IF YOU LIKED JIMMY CARTER, YOU'LL LOVE BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA.

He's Jimmy Carter in a better suit, without the hillbilly accent and a better tan
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جيرسي جو Jul 30, 2008, 11:51am EDT
Anybody who is low-life enough to use Obama's middle name in an article about him is beneath contempt.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 12:08pm EDT
Con Job, SInce when is someone's middle name a dirty word? I didn't make it up it is what it is. Live with it. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Richard Milhouse Nixon, William Jefferson Clinton...............OOOOOhhhhhh I used alot of dirty words there.......Pretty contemptible huh?? Here's a thought why don't you stop being such a tool and get a life?
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David S. Jul 30, 2008, 12:11pm EDT
Chris you right on. In the political climate a Democrat should be way ahead.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 12:12pm EDT
Rick is there really any doubt? He has the chancellorship of Germany sewn up and I believe he could be appointed and Ayatollah of Iran hands down as well. He sees himself as the messiah who is going to right all the wrongs of the world........He is an inexperienced neop[hyte in geopolitics and thusly a hugely dangerous person to consider for such an important position. NO matter to liberal rumpswabs like Con...........His ilk are self haters who savor the opportunity to destroy our country.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 12:13pm EDT
That's all I'm pointing out here David. Of course his supporters will ignore that point and attempt to derail the discussion with their pathetic name calling or complaints about using Obama's actual given name.........His supporters are truly a pathetic and pitiable bunch
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Kay M. Jul 30, 2008, 12:28pm EDT
Well Chris, I'll say if you liked G.Walker Bush, then you'll love J. Sydney McCain.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 12:35pm EDT
HOw dare you use middle names Kay.... And by the way thank you so much for proving my point about not addressing the point.............Can always count on liberals to behave like the political puppets their leaders so dearly love.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 12:36pm EDT
one more thing only a real left wing loony would call McCain a conservative...........Your pink is showing through Kay
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Kay M. Jul 30, 2008, 12:40pm EDT
"Your pink is showing through Kay"

Lot of hostility here Chris. Too much caffeine?
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 12:46pm EDT
Why is it hostile to point out that your liberalism is showing through? Is liberal a dirty word like Obama's middle name?? Really why do you people get involved with something that you are too ashamed to call it what it is or use people's real names? Isn't embarassing to to have to hide what and who you are?
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 12:48pm EDT
McCain has crossed the aisle more than other Senator. Voting with the democrats more than any other republican, yet you call him conservative? You really might want to consider getting some facts to base your opinions on.....OOh wait, my bad, being a liberal facts are irrelevant all you need is feelings.......so sorry I forgot
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Kay M. Jul 30, 2008, 12:57pm EDT
Are you done now? Feel better?
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 1:01pm EDT
I suppose expecting an intelligent answer was hoping for too much.
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sharon SugarMomma is a wise woman, Jul 30, 2008, 1:04pm EDT
You wouldn't be able to understand an intelligent answer Chris. You're obviously cro-magnum.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 1:06pm EDT
well thank you sharon, I believe the word you are looking for is cro-MAGNON, but don't let your ignorance in any way impede you from spouting off about that which you know nothing about....please feel free to put your limited intellect on display for all to laugh at.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 1:12pm EDT
And let me this time thank sharon for demonstrating my point again about liberals being unable to address the issue but rather they toss poorly spelled insults.....My liberal readers never fail to deliver
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 30, 2008, 1:16pm EDT
Chris, get your cro-magnum phallus out of your cro-magnon cavernous behind, which by the quality of your article, must be where your brain resides. You are so trapped in that French cave you wouldn't know wisdom even if it kissed you!
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 1:20pm EDT
Yet another liberal with his panties in a twist..............Bent how about if you try something new here just for a second. Have a clue. So far four Obamadroids have chimed in and not a single one of you has been able to address the issue at hand.............But so far Bent you win the Don Rickles award for most creative insults......Allthough considering the intelligence level of your competition that is something like winning the 100 yard dash against slugs
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 30, 2008, 1:25pm EDT
If we objectively look at the federal debt over the past 3 decades, Republicans have increased it by almost 37%, while Democratic administrations have only increased it by 4%, and this interestingly includes Carter's 17% increase in federal spending. Bush has managed - and this does not yet take into account his insane spending since 2005 - to increase federal spending (and China holds much of that debt and are now bickering at the US over interest rates and exchange rates) by a whopping 19%. Again, all these figures are adjusted. The final Clinton term actually brought the federal debt down.

Give me a Carter presidency over anything coming down the pike from the Republican Party.

Now, I had promised not to engage myself politically here for a while, but you just rattled with the wrong person.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 30, 2008, 1:26pm EDT
The whole notion that the Republican party stands for conservative economic policy is absolute trash and hogwash.

Source:
The Budget of the United States Government www.whitehouse.gov
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sharon SugarMomma is a wise woman, Jul 30, 2008, 1:26pm EDT
Bent - my brother - I truly love you.

Chris you truly have no idea about the people you are dealing with. We just dally with knuckle draggers because it's amusing.

Oh, by the way, there should be a capital W starting your sentence "well thank you sharon,"

It is grammatically incorrect to end a sentence with at or to begin a sentence with "And". Actually the whole sentence is a grammatical nightmare.

The biggest faux paux though is ".....My liberal reader never fail to deliver". Why in the world would you start a sentence with "....."?
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sharon SugarMomma is a wise woman, Jul 30, 2008, 1:28pm EDT
Forgot to add, in the above comment, that proper names should always be capitalized.
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CyberGwen ! Jul 30, 2008, 1:32pm EDT
Thank you for saying what I have been wanting to say.....and saying it better! This race is not over and anyone that thinks that it is, well, they need help.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 30, 2008, 1:38pm EDT
In 2002, Bush out-borrowed and outspent Clinton's last year in office 23 to 1! That figure has grown almost exponentially since then, and this is the direction McCain wishes to go. It will break America's back if we elect McCain! It will encumber our children and their children with a unsurmountable debt, much of it to China. McCain is famous for saying he's not concerned that we have become a debtor nation. But China has said that it views its economic interests in the same way it views its territory. Imagine a future where the policies of China dictate the policies of America.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 30, 2008, 1:45pm EDT
Good bye, Chris. Your article has a couple of interestingly conjugated sentences. Other than that, it's just urine which an old cro-magnum era (: wind has caught. Not worth even the few sentences I've contributed. Now I'm gonna go and chill.
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jul 30, 2008, 1:48pm EDT
You can lead a Republican to the facts, but you can't make him think. (Greasy Grant)

They just confuse them.
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Jennifer R. Jul 30, 2008, 1:51pm EDT
I agree with Brent whole heartedly.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Jul 30, 2008, 1:56pm EDT
I wish there were a Socialist running! Maybe then we'd be seen and treated as fellow human beings with a need for shelter, food and medical assistance, instead of the lock-stepping sheep our current dictator and his gang of thugs have created. See that word "social" in the middle of "Socialism", Chris? It refers to a "society" in which people actually care for and about each other and a form of government that insures that the basic human needs of its populace are met. But I guess if all you care about is acquiring as much stuff as you can amass for your personal gain, a system of sharing would be anathema and anyone who even hints at caring about the greater good must be viewed as The Enemy.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 30, 2008, 2:09pm EDT
Un-chilling for a second more.

Dame Ruth has hit it exactly right. Much of what's going on inside the Belt (DC) is simply an attempt to quickly take everything away from our children, their children, from "us," from everyone, from the planet's life-sustaining systems so that a very select few can, well, this article already now is flagged, well, so a few schmucks can have a momentary auto-erotic experience at the expense of ther est of the world. There actually is a science at Cambridge University studying this phenomenon empirically.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:13pm EDT
Well where to begin? Let's start with self avowed Socialist Dame Ruth. I will compliment your intellectual honesty in calling yourself what you are a socialist. Of course the fact that socialism has been a dismal faiure as a form of government everywhere it has been tried is something you conveniently choose to ignore but nonetheless you at least have the integrity to proudly be what you are and for that I salute you. I think, actually I know but I'm feeling charitable, you couldn't be more misguided.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:13pm EDT
Don, more of the same. You spew inane insults and ignore the issue the article brings up. typical
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:17pm EDT
Brent , you are still the leader at the turn for idiocy and a profound inablity to address the topic. While this tried and true liberla tactic of changing the subject of a debate is likely quite effective with your dimwitted liberal sycophants (yes I mean you Sharon, Don et al) it won't fly here you have failed repeatedly to address the issue I have brought up. There can be only one conclusion from this beavior and that is you are intellectually incapable of intelleigent focused debate and thusly not worthy of my interest. Why don't you head out to your mailbox, I'm sure you have a welfare check there or maybe some foodstamps waiting for you.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:19pm EDT
sharon, the best you can do is try to pick apart sentence structure and grammar huh? Once again let me thank you for being a shining example of the intellectually corrupt liberals. In three different comments you failed to address any point of this article. Truly you are the standard by which liberal idiocy can be judged in the future.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:22pm EDT
Gwen, thanks for stopping by. Amazing how you were able to address the issue at hand ....Congratulations on having your comment be featured on the front page!
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:23pm EDT
Oh yeah forgot to add in the above comment to sharon..............if proper names should always be capitalized should I take that to mean you don't consider yourself to have a proper name?
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:25pm EDT
And finally one more Bent. What more do I need to say when you trumpet the Carter presidency, with it's prime lending rate 21%, fuel shortages and gas lines and double digit inflation. You make the argument for what a truly ignorant fool you are with your own words. Nothing I could say would make you look any dumber than you have already done yourself
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:32pm EDT
Now of course one of the sniveling cowards Obamadroids has flagged the article to attempt to quell discussion that shows there messiah in his true colors. Which of gutless hacks did it? The flag will be removed very soon and I will find out which of you did it and I will do everything I can to see your account revoked. Typical liberal coward
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LEЯA © Politcally Incorrect M. Jul 30, 2008, 2:37pm EDT
How dare you use Barrack's middle name in your article!!! lol

Hell, it's his name. Why should anyone hide it? Are the libs ashamed? Are they saying that something is wrong with it? I've got no problem with the man's middle name.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 2:41pm EDT
God forbid if he wins......Will the Supreme Court Justics be allowed to say his middle name as required by staute or will the liberals change that law?? I guess using his middle name qualifies as hate speech............One of the wussies flagged this article.
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LEЯA © Politcally Incorrect M. Jul 30, 2008, 2:53pm EDT
Right now I'm not seeing it as being flagged. But it wouldn't surprise me. I've been seeing a lot of conservatives articles being flagged recently. It makes one wonder what they're so afraid of.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Jul 30, 2008, 2:55pm EDT
...a dismal faiure (sic) as a form of government everywhere it has been tried
Really? Have you visited The Netherlands lately, Chris? Or most of Scandinavia (those parts that haven't been tainted by their association with our Thief in Chief)? The fact is, most countries that are still classified as "kingdoms" are actually socialist in nature and the people of these countries are far better off than Americans. You, as do most close-minded, uneducated self-styled "conservatives" confuse communist dictatorship with socialist generosity. I suggest you turn off Rush and Faux News and try reading a book for a change.
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Col. George W. Jul 30, 2008, 2:56pm EDT
Obama is an unknown element, He does not have the experience or recognition except in the campaign.

McCain is a known. He has been here and made a decent run for the office once before.

In the end, at the voting booth, people will vote for a known rather than take a chance on some unknown with no resume to speak of at all.

McCain will win and the Democrats will once again pull defeat out of the jaws of victory.

That is my prediction. Neither candidate is worth a hoot and both are One Worlders. Nothing will change. The next president will be hated because he will have to deal with the garbage Bush left behind.

Our best hope is that McCain is known to be a mavrick and has went against the neocon republicans on many occasions. With Obama there is only speculation that he might actually have an idea or two that has not been fed to him by whoever put him on the post.

Both candidates are Post Turtles.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 3:03pm EDT
Dame Ruth, I may be many things but uneducated is not one of them. While you may consider the Scandinavian countrie socialist they do not. Now I realize you are probably much more knowledgeable then they are about their own form of government, but still I'm going to go with their idnetification over yours. Let's see the USSR there was a glowing economic success story, China whose economy was such a ruin they have opened it up and are now an emerging global force, that while still communist has adopted many capitalist economic reforms. Let's see Cuba is another shining example of the glory of socialism. Would like me to continue to embarass your theory? Anyone who considers Denmark and Finland to be far superior to the United States is obviously under the influence of some very good drugs........Care to share?
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 3:05pm EDT
Col. I think your analysis is pretty accurate. In the Obama is unelectable and and more than 50% of the voters will not be willing to risk their future and the futures of their children on such a fringe left wing liberal.
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Frederic C. Jul 30, 2008, 3:12pm EDT
Hey, I'm pro-Magnum. That was a cool show.
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LEЯA © Politcally Incorrect M. Jul 30, 2008, 3:20pm EDT
LOL @ Frederic

That was a good show and Tom Selleck was a hunk.
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Charles Temm JR Jul 30, 2008, 3:41pm EDT
Obama I think will still win but it will be a relative squeaker, only a couple of percent popular vote though by a wider Electoral gap. As people are getting to know him they are drifting away but still many will come back. With the choices so bad, many Americans will do the traditional vote for the lesser of two evils. Some will go for a 3d party but I think quite a few will stay home too. Much will depend on the continued high gas prices and Dem refusal to confront them and media support for Obama. It is still funny to see such a weak Repub so close to the chosen candidate tho.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 4:05pm EDT
I want to thank Gather for promptly removing the bogus flag that some Obama posterior licker put on this article. A small victory for free speech and another trouncing for the cowards on the left
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libramoon C. Jul 30, 2008, 4:09pm EDT
America Take Hope, and Stop Praying to the Media God. What the ____ should I care what the media wants me to believe? I use the media for what information and entertainment I find, and let it go at that. If the rest of us would just take their rantings for what they are -- attempts to raise ratings -- and not some kind of Truth, we would all be much saner.
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LEЯA © Politcally Incorrect M. Jul 30, 2008, 4:10pm EDT
"A small victory for free speech and another trouncing for the cowards on the left"

Amen!
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 4:38pm EDT
Well said Libra. The problem is twofold though. First the media holds itself out as objective when it is demonstrably not. Their coverage of the Obama rock tour in Europe was nothing less than a constant 24 hour a day campaign blitz. There was no reporting going on. It was cheerleading. Tom Brokaw had Obama on Meet the Press Sunday, I'm sure Tim Russert was rolling over in his grave. I swear I saw Brokaw wiping off his chin once or twice after commercial breaks. There was not one probing question in the whole interview. Brokaw should be ashamed to call himself a journalist.
The second issue is most people take what the media says as factual. They believe what Obama cheerleaders like Andrea Mitchell and Larry King say to be fact. When in fact the mainstream media is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the Obama campaign.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Jul 30, 2008, 4:54pm EDT
Although I am a proud atheist, I ask that you heed the words of Oliver Cromwell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell): "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 5:31pm EDT
Good advice Dame Ruth. Let me respond with another quote I believe from Shakespeare "Physician heal thyself". Take your advice to heart.
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Dame Ruth, Chief Executive Elitist D. Jul 30, 2008, 5:40pm EDT
Gee, chris...As a self-professed "educated" christian, I would have thought you'd know that
"Physician, heal thyself" is a proverb found in Luke 4:23. Shakespeare, not so much.
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Kay M. Jul 30, 2008, 6:07pm EDT
Shakespeare???
Chris, fess up, did you really read the book?
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jul 30, 2008, 8:53pm EDT
You can lead a Republican to the facts, but you can't make him think. (Greasy Grant)

They just confuse them.

Your crap doesn't deserve more as with all you idiotic pals.
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Don(time to open them FEMA camps) S. Jul 30, 2008, 8:53pm EDT
Besides you are one goofy looking bastard.
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bernard callands Jul 30, 2008, 9:15pm EDT
This is too bad. I registered to join Gather.com for "serious conversation", and instead it's just like any other website...with people like Chris calling everyone with a different opinion from his stupid, ignorant, or any other put-down he can think of. Oh well, I guess it's back to politico.com...it's full of know-it-alls too, but at least their website has more gadgets.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 9:31pm EDT
OK Let's start at the bottom and go up. Bernhard obviously you didn't read the comments. Not one Obama supporter addressed the point of this article instead they started slinging mud. Not being panty wearing liberal you will get it back in spades from me. I don't negotiate with attackers I meet force with force and BS with incontrovertible fact.. Liberals find this antithetical to top there world view and get mad..tough.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 9:33pm EDT
Don, thanks for reinforcing all the things I have said about liberals here. The best you can come up with is stealing someone elses line and saying you think I'm funny looking? I bet you're a regular Clarke Gable yourself Don. Which is why you choose to put an upside down elephant graphic as your icon. A strong sign that the man behind the icon is something between Quasimodo and Shrek. Bite me
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 9:34pm EDT
Nick fair anough point to Dame Ruth.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 9:35pm EDT
Kay I've read some Shakespeare not all and what I have read was many many years ago.
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chris w. Jul 30, 2008, 9:38pm EDT
Ruth, I concede your superior knowledge of biblical bibliography. I wasn't sure who the quote was attributable to I took a shot and missed. The sentiment of what I was saying remains the same. Incidentally where exactly did I lay claim to being and educated christian? I am non-practicing catholic who shuns organized religion as an insititution regardless of creed. Educated yes as are you obviously.
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Kay M. Jul 30, 2008, 10:02pm EDT
The Book, Chris. Was referring to the bible. Not works of Shakespeare.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 12:35am EDT
Chris, getting back to the only reason I even ventured into this article of yours, try to type the name of the French region where prehistoric cave drawings and bones were discovered. cro magnon. You'll get an error red line on it until you type perhaps magnum, you schmuck. Sharon was replying to the way you were addressing Kay.

The reason no one with a half brain is addressing what you wish us to address by your article is simple. It is entirely a distraction from the issues that threaten our world with the likes of McCain.

There is a growing understanding of all this, which Stephanie above hit squarely on the head, with: There is a parallel between the Gather upgrade practice and the Republican notion of the government. It's more than just the upgrades, but also a series of articles being written by paid staff and investors at gather, who have unfortunately learned how to earn advertising dollars through certain multinational corporations that could give a damn about our children's futures... only greed here and now.

Economists and sociologists who study the phenomenon, also exemplified by how the Fannies are being bailed out, call this "Socializing risk, privatizing reward." It is the ultimate double standard in our world, where major corporations who fail, and the biggest one in America has failed, get welfare bailout from our tax dollars, while the speculating investors who risk our homes and hearths and children's futures don't pay for the risk, but still will earn multi-million dollar incomes, when they ought to go to jail.

Geopolitically, it is the same with the likes of McCain, who feels it is perfectly OK to destroy entire nations, orphan and make homeless millions, create endless pools of suffering everywhere, whenever a male in power gets a hard-on over some cro magnum (sic) pecking order BS issue in the world. Here's another double standard. Bush-McCain can become a part of the axis of evil in our world, but without going to jail for it.

We can go after terrorists without destroying our world with effective and wise police. We can do it without undermining the Geneva Convention, which was mostly a US idea so our own GI's would not be treated the way the Japanese did treat our POWs. We have an international court in the Hague that has just incarcerated a recent war criminal who practiced racial extermination against Muslims in recent Europe. Europe is actually quite a hotbed of racism. America is a far more integrated land, if we ignore the Bush-McCain politics of multinational corporations who get rich quick on divisiveness and chaos in the world.

Well, Bush-McCain et al now don't want us to abide by the Geneva Convention, and only wish to use the International Court when it serves their purposes, but no American is under its jurisdiction, risking of course our own GI's lives as they innocently and unfortunately serve a pied piper.

So pardon me for not playing into the distractions you poorly attempted with your poorly written article.

Do you know what the term "argumentum ad hominem" means?

Look it up.

In all the arguments above that you can't address, you decide to attack the "person."

I have three jobs, my friend, as well as being an author with three books under his belt, and I've even worked for the United States Information Agency. My articles have been published at US embassies all over the world. Though not since Bush, granted
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 12:37am EDT
So Sharon addressed your article squarely right... it is very cro-magnum (sic & smile)
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 12:49am EDT
As to why Obama is so popular in Europe, the answer is simple. As America goes, since WW II, so seems the world to go. Often, that has been a beacon of hope for Europeans, who often see America as her daughter grown up, while Europe still is dealing with all sorts of xenophobic issues that undermine cooperation and wisdom based on sound science, especially the interphasing of the social and natural sciences as described by Dame Ruth.

But Obama also inspires a fresh breath of air for Americans, wherever he goes, and more power to him, I say. We're not going to get a "savior" from anyone like Obama. But we will perhaps feel within ourselves the capacity to become better "shepherds" of our natural world. It is an old symbol that goes back to the dawn of human wisdom, as inherently found deep within most Creation Stories, which sans their political agendas after old words that should remain "alive" get killed by priests in the employ of their political masters, teach us that nothing in this universe is not interconnected, so beware of creating towers of babel to disconnect from nature.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 1:33am EDT
You argue God and scriptures a lot above in places. By doing that, you are attempting to do exactly the opposite of what I personally feel the author of some of those "scriptures" intended. Christ was very much a socialist. He embraced everyone, especially those whom the ruling class feared.

There is a reason natural selection, including the cultural dimension, is random in the empiric sense. Right now, humanity as a whole and in its geopolitical expressions, hasn't even come out of the kindergarten phase. We've evolved a brain that can hold a huge amount of memory in its architecture. But it comes at a price. Just as any evolutionary phenomenon that eventually gets expressed either in behavior or physiology, any feature of that which does not integrate itself with the underlying natural systems that have evolved life on this planet, will eventually get selected out. So if human beings, with this cognitive brain, "create" isms that are in opposition to the underlying, randomly-arrived construct of nature, well, that element will also get selected out.

Most of good science is now warning us that the behaviors characterized by Bush and McCain can easily lead us to a mass extinction phenomenon. The human brain is barely understood, but something quite significant was selected into its neuronal architecture, which can enable us to actually live our lives with an awareness of these very simple natural laws. The Golden Rule, the ability to intuitively understand how others and even other lifeforms, are an equally important feature to global life... and even beyond, since science has begun to understand the implications of...

Enough already!

Well, why do I bother sharing pearls with you? And they sure don't belong to me. Well, because I am not actually writing to you, Chris... but hopefully one day, you will wake up a little bit and see the beauty of the world around and in you. Believe me, for me as a man to come to this understanding did not happen without a lot of my own stuff being constantly challenged, and that's a process we all should be open to.
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Soozan & The Pookah S. Jul 31, 2008, 2:03am EDT
WoW! Talk about the Tower of Babble! Chris, I will never know how you keep up with the barrage of comments thrown at you long enough to redress them.

Okay. I'll start with Brent :P "We can go after terrorists without destroying the world..."

How do you think POTUS Obama will handle the central front of the war on terror raging in Afghanistan? He will move our troops in from Iraq. Then, he will grin and explain that his action does not count as a "flip-flop" because it's not a "surge." Of course not, it's a "re-deployment." silly Voters. Will it then be "OK for HIM to destroy entire nations, orphan and make millions homeless, create endless pools of suffering everywhere" all over Afghanistan??? War is war.

Disconnect that from nature :P
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 2:26am EDT
Study history, Soozan.

Afghanistan, one of the key places that fermented modern society in ancient times, has been ravaged by empire building from Europe, then Russia, where bin-Ladin was an ally to the US, until now, Afghanistan is about the most dysfunctional - in the sense of opium addicts - in the world. Iraq, with Saddam one time also an ally of the Reagan administration, was developing some form of regional stability, when the hotheads who get wealthy on chaos, invaded. Saddam was personally an asshole of the highest degree, but internal legal and social movements were making it a place that was safe for Christians to exercise their beliefs in a Muslim land, for women to have their say in society, and he was effectively policing the terrorism that threatened America. As Alan Greenspan stated, the Iraq invasion is only about who controls oil.

The only country in that region that has actual WMD is Pakistan. The recent history of geopolitical map drawing, especially since WW II, and mostly after the 1960's, has never accounted for natural tribal migrations the region, which is also one of the problems currently festering in Africa. If Afghanistan is not stabilized, then Pakistan will further destabilize, and then we have about 12 kilotons of nuclear WMD, also on missiles, in anybody's hands.

Obama will inherit the sum total of a lot of American/Bush stupidity from the past 7 years, which McCain only wants to perpetuate.

Thus far. Obama seems to be the only one willing to stick his neck in this mass-extinction hornet's nest with any reasonable wisdom.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 2:31am EDT
Taking care of business in Afghanistan would reap relatively much smaller rewards to America in terms of oil, in the way Iraq is more immediately strategic to these multinational interests driving the McCain campaign.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 2:42am EDT
Even Bush's dad had a grain of wisdom in his head, when once Saddam was tackled in his invasion of Kuwait, he withdrew the American presence except to pester his military near the borders. He at least had the sense to listen to sound advice, much as his own father had been party to Hitler's rise to power, by investing in Nazi slave labot prior to WW II.

Something's rotten in that family, and this was exactly what both JFK and Eisenhower, from both sides of the aisles warned against in 1960 (in his farewell address), and just before Kennedy was assassinated - warning against the covert power of the military industrial complex, which is inextricably tied to the multinationals invested in the fossil fuel industry.

As much of my writing has expressed, we need an equal representation of women in all this power delegating of our world. In the deeper cultural sense of human history, that is why, in my opinion, we have war, in the way we now have it.

War is war, you say lackadaisically.

Kære gud, hvor er du en idiot!
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 2:48am EDT
Jennifer, thanks for your email!

This Gather update is making it too hard for me to effectively respond to emails, so I'm thanking you here to save some time to problem solve it. I've got a lot of work to take care of back here in Copenhagen today, and accidentally being drawn into this stupid article yesterday has distracted me and my time.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 3:07am EDT
I wrote above: We've evolved a brain that can hold a huge amount of memory in its architecture.

That was very arrogant of me. I should have written: Nature evolved in humanity a brain that can hold a huge amount of memory...
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Christopher K. Leavitt Jul 31, 2008, 5:11am EDT
This is a very interesting piece, Chris. I think you're on to something. Last night, I saw Dick Morris saying that one of McCain's big flaws so far was "not defining Obama" with his ads. It's interesting that as Obama has tried to "define" himself, he has consistently stumbled. There is an "image" that will come out of this jumble, and it isn't flattering. McCain may be reluctant to exploit this weakness, but outside groups will not hesitate to do so. Obama's greatest advantage is, ironically, the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law, which prohibits outside groups from mentioning a candidate in a TV commercial for 60 days prior to an election.

I think Obama may defeat himself, regardless of McCain's less than stellar campaign. We'll have to see who screws up worse.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 7:42am EDT
McCain's weakness is his angry impulsiveness, which in today's world will get us in perhaps even deeper trouble than the entire Bush-administration history of impulses has dumped on America and the world.

Those are true Freudian slips we see McCain constantly falling into when asked direct questions, like with the Social Security payments issue of birth control Vs. male impotency pills. I had forgotten until recently that even way back in his so-called heroic days in Vietnam, that he was responsible as a hot dogger going against command directives on a carrier for costing taxpayers millions of dollars in damages and risking life and limb of his fellow men in servíce for flaming his jet and setting fire to F-16's. McCain could easily have inherited an admiral-ship, due to his father, had it not been for a registered history of such impulsive behavioral patterns during his entire military career, also while under the duress of captivity by Vietnam. Of course, like with Kerry Vs. GW Bush, we're going to see bizarre and untruthful spins on military careers once this campaign gets even dirtier than it is now.

This morning's NYT ran an article that describes his aides efforts at helping McCain get his act better together, in terms of launching a more unified Republican/multinational corporation attack on Senator Obama.

To get a glimpse at Obama's healthier state of mind, and Senator McCain's either affective or developmental issues, this was Senator Obama's response to this new wave of attacks: “I do notice that he doesn’t seem to have anything to say very positive about himself.”
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 8:26am EDT
Bill, the only thing that's going to screw anybody is our day to day decisions in a marketplace (basic socioeconomics) dominated by a free market that is far from "free."

*In the real marketplace, 1 out of 4 "consumers" have no "assets." CEO's are the primary owners of assets, for the most part now, and there is barely a woman allowed in that old boy's club.

*In the marketplace of a free people, even employees would own shares in their workplace. I can remember way back when, in Canada, when a young student, that in a supermarket as a bag boy, I was given shares with the option to buy more, as an incentive to be a good employee.

*What has occurred with the so-called free market is that local economies are being undermined, such that they cannot become self-sufficient and responsive to the local demands of its population group and habitats. That's why outsourcing, as per the Republican agenda (and often also Democratic), has become such a pariah on distant societies that have evolved their own unique and sustainable ways of interacting with their habitats and bordering societies.

*In other words, another presidency that surrenders itself to the wants of certain multinational corporate interests, to wit, McCain, will only result in the further disempowerment of ordinary people... the people who supply the CEO's with their outrageous salaries.

The free market is an oxymoron in today's world, especially after Reagan, but it actually began with Nixon and before, with the hand-in-glove special interests activities in government.

So is it any wonder people are "hoping" for a president who is willing to return some semblance of freedom back to ordinary people, and not just in America, but a globalized world.

* Basically, it boils down, perhaps, to restoring civil society.

Oddly, it is also about allowing people to freely express whatever form for a religious practice they feel can empower and give meaning to their lives. We have no business demonizing another person's spiritual belief system - it is part of natural cultural evolution - just as any of us would not want such things to be dictated to us, based on another society's relative ethnocentrism.

So those small pockets of Islam that wish to dominate other societies are behaving just as bad as the evangelists who play their fingers in Bush's holy (sic) pockets.

And that brings us to the subject of Islam, of course, which has been deeply demonized by the Bush administration's willingness to go to bed with the likes of Pat Robertson, who said it is OK to murder the president of Venezuela because he doesn't like Bush's politics, while he himself has oil drilling investmentsin Venezuela at risk due to Chavez's socializing of its natural resources.

Generally speaking, and here I speak as an anthropologist that's studied it, Islam as with Christianity, generally speaking, embraces a teaching of compassion and tolerance for all belief systems in the world. What some extremists in America, and unfortunately in in my native xenophobic Denmark (Denmark is rated as the world's most paranoid society over Islam), seem to forget, is that fundamentalist Christianity is equally disastrous, when it demonizes that which it doesn't understand. Basically, it is nothing short of mixed up circuitry in the brain, based on alpha dominance of resources and, well, sex. So in that sense, such fundamentalist ideologies are not spiritual by nature, but a means to control and exploit populations, their habitats and resources. And in that sense, all good science goes out the window. One of the oldest existing religions in the world did go astray with all that when it became more patriarchal in nature, and created a caste system, but the underlying connectivity between one's spiritual belief system and the evolutoion of science merged with the original tenets of what now is called Hinduism, but more accurately, the Ayurvedic system, which literally translates to "The Principle and Knowledge of Life."

Yes, just like with many evangelistic Christian movements, whose leaderships rake in huge fortunes and live the lifestyle of millionaires through threatening fire and brimstone on its memberships unless everyone tithes their family's food and mortgage payments away to them.

My God... what have we become?
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 8:27am EDT
Very well said, Bill.
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chris w. Jul 31, 2008, 9:57am EDT
You people are really a pathertic bunch..Another flag is the best you can do? Gather has already removed one flag becuase it was baseless. This one will be removed as well. I have asked for the name of the anonymous coward that keeps flagging the article and that some sort of consequence be exacted on them for this truly cowardly act. I will find out who you are and I am going to make it my business to see you removed from the community. Of course it shouldn't be surprising that thjis is the behavior of the left. When faced with an adversary that doesn't allow them to continue spewing their specious claptrap, they attempt to silence the message.. You will fail. As nearly every liberal idea has failed throughout history.
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chris w. Jul 31, 2008, 10:03am EDT
Brent I find it amusing that a resident of a second rate European country that has been historically unable to defend itself should find the temerity to tell the country responsible for it's liberation, not once but twice in the last century. how it should make geo political decisions. In the future a simple thank you for saving our asses will do. Other wise shut up. If it weren't for the USA you would be goosestepping in your little wooden shoes.

As far as the flag goes it's the second time it has been flagged I had the first removed within an hour and this one will be too. As soon as find out which of these sniveling cowards is responsible I will make sure they are not allowed access to my articles again. I intend to petition Gather to remove them altogether for censorship.
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chris w. Jul 31, 2008, 10:05am EDT
Bill it was flagged because the intellectually corrupt liberals who refuse to address any issue, but instead consider hurling insults to be high minded debate, routinely flag my articles because they lack the intelligence necessary to try to defend their inane political decisions.
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chris w. Jul 31, 2008, 10:09am EDT
Soozan, it is hard. To be honest most of these nitwits aren't worthy of a response. Inregards to your comment, when the messiah attacks a country it will be OK because you see it will be for a higher principle. Obama's principle is negotiate with our adversaries (Iran, Hamas, Syria etc.) and invade our allies like Pakistan. He is a fraud of thie highest degree. His utter lack of geo-political wherewithall is the single biggest threat to this country that we have faced since perhaps the civil war.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 10:36am EDT
Is that the best you can do, Chris?

Oh my god, Chris, do you realize that I've voted in US elections for quite some time legally.

You haven't the foggiest notion what you are talking about.

And why would you call Denmark a "second rate European country?"

Had it not been for the multinational speculative-investments in Germany's slave labor of GW Bush's grandfather and his ilk, that goose-stepping, mustached idiot would never have ascended to any power.

If your comment here wasn't so off any scale of logic, I'd destroy your arguments in that regard in a New York instant.

Almost more than Denmark, I deeply love America. Not *your* or *my* America... but the America that is founded on the principles that all peoples are created equal. Someday, we will all wake up and find out that a Danish rose smells as beautiful as an American rose and not more beautiful or less than an Iranian rose.

Perhaps there is a natural logic to global warming, in that it may just eliminate the economic infrastructures created by stupidity such as you proselytize. The sad thing is, it may very well also created huge suffering for half the world's population. But those so-called primitive societies that retain an old memory of wherewithal under extremely adverse conditions, like the wandering elephants of Africa, will survive, as will those who have a history of exercising that part of the brain that can intuitively rise to any challenge with great ingenuity and compassion.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 10:43am EDT
Chris: when the messiah attacks a country it will be OK because you see it will be for a higher principle.
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... AD INFINITUM.

Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em
and little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on


--Augustus De Morgan (mathematician)
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 10:45am EDT
I certainly didn't flag your non-article, Chris, but it deserves to be stamped as one of the all-time idiot flea-bits of words on gather.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 11:00am EDT
But Chris, I do wish to add - and from the bottom of my heart - that if you love God through Jesus Christ, go for it. I certainly do not condemn that in any way.

What I do condemn, and in a most profound way, is this: when the messiah attacks a country it will be OK because you see it will be for a higher principle.

That certainly has nothing to do with the Christ in Christianity.

And before you come down on me without knowledge, I studied fundamental Christianity for 11 years of my childhood.
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Bent Lorentzen Jul 31, 2008, 11:10am EDT
Chris, I suggest you surrender a little bit of your pride. You can't win this one, and your continuing efforts at being right only is undermining whatever few yoctograms of intelligence there might have been in your original article.
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chris w. Jul 31, 2008, 11:28am EDT
Actually Bent I can't lose this one. If your clown wins the election this country will turn into the thirld world nation you so desperately want it to be. I will be vindicated and we will have 12 years of conservative rule much like after the abomination of the Carter administration. If he loses so much the better.

How typical of a eurocentric lefty to attempt to blame Hitler on the USA. The last time I checked it Was FDR who was the president over that little dust up, but as usual no need for facts to get in the way.

I call Denmark a second rate European nation for only one reason. It is. It is a samll country incapable of defending itself. It's far left social programs have turned Denmark into an international destination of drug users. It 's claim to fame is it's red light district. Quite a set of accomplishments. Your smug attitude is quite tiresome. You know nothing of which you speak, which makes you the perfect Obama supporter. In the end Liberalism always loses out to conservatism. It will continue to do so until the the bottom feeders who want to take from those who earn and give to those who don't, outnumber those of us who support ourtselves and our families despite the government confiscatin close to 50% of what we earn. If or when that sad day arrives, the entire house of cards that liberalism is founded upon will collapse as it has virtually everywhere it has been tried as an economic system and layabouts such as yourself can go back to just stealing directly from those who have, rather than have the government do it for you.
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