Needless to say Election 2008 is fast approaching... Many of my fellow Gatherites know that I am on the Ron Paul for President bus, but I am having a bit of trouble digesting this latest nugget of.... Hypocrisy shall I call it?
How is the lack of foreign policy experience that George W. Bush exhibited in 2000 versus the experience of foreign policy wonk Al Gore, where he infamously referred to the whole continent of Africa as a country and couldn't name the heads of several heads of state different that the percieved foreign policy inexperience of Barack Obama?
And why is Rudy Guiliani being trumpted as a solid candidate despite his pronounced lack of foreign policy experience.... Excuse me, he was a mayor for goodness sakes! Wait! With the United Nations being located in New York that gives him foreign policy experience by osmosis, right? What if he were to be elected President, would he do away with our liberties as if it were one of his wives...? Brrr!
Could someone give me clarity or persuade me perhaps?
Feedback please...


Comments: 36
I think technically you're old enough to run Shun...go for it.
As for Rudi - didn't you get the memo?? He knows all about how to deal with terrorists because he was the mayor when the towers came down! How dare you question his foreign policy? (before you all start tearing into me, that was a joke folks)
He ain't much prettier out of drag either.
A president shouldn't have to be foreign policy wonk. A president should be smart enough to have all kinds of wonks in his or her service while being wise enough to know the difference between good advice and wise decisions.
There remains a moral/ ethical gap between the apotheosis of a president and the named candidates. Its not really a matter of who knows the names of countries and their leaders.
Currently I am at odds because despite his ability to stick his foot in his mouth I really like Biden.
Romney lost me with supporting sending more troops to Iraq but then saying that his 5 sons are supporting their country not by military service but by helping him get elected.
I always liked McCain, wish he would have won in 2000. But his is pandering far too much and well you know his campaign is already in trouble.
Guliani.....I think to reply to your comment about relating our liberties with his wives.....how closely related are we to those liberties???Cousins or closer?
Clinton is pandering also and to bickersome with Barack who is bickering back.
Edwards I am undecided on.
I like Biden's platform. I dont think he will make it as the Democratic candidate but I would love to see his as like Secretary of State.
I think Rudi having the courage to appear in drag is one of the points in his favor. He certainly wouldn't make it as profressional female impersonator.
To the question - lack of foreign policy experience? It's not exactly unheard of. Just a talking point brought up by those WITH foreign policy experience. There have been MANY Presidents without foreign policy experience . . .
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
As for the foreign policy...look where Bush took us. We shouldn't make the same mistake twice. There is no difference between Bush and Barack on foreign policy...it's almost indistinquishable. Bomb Iran...bomb Pakistan...bomb anyone and anything that gets in our' march toward global subjugation and unfettered dominance.
Yes, lots of good comments. But where does it say, or has it ever said "experience" was a pre-requisite for Prez? Then, too, who determines what "experience" is? It's been my "experience" that you must have already HAD a particular position before you might tout,
"...uh, uh, experience! experienced-one over here."
From what I know, none of the candidates -- Democrat or Republican -- has ever been the President of the United States. So, where is all this "experience" coming in. Nobody can say what that job in going to be like until they step into those shoes, and "experience" it, firsthand.
That's what Obama means when he says Bill Clinton has the "experience" to be President, but Hillary?!
As for Ron Paul, well, I suggest you take a closer look at his opposition to dealing with global warming, and his downright right wing attitude when it comes to restricting reproductive rights - straight from the moment of conception.
He was zero experience with foreign policy (in fact, problems between NYC and the UN almost came to a boiling point while he was in office) but for whatever reason, people love him. He has the morals of an alley cat (he dumped his 2nd wife via press conference!), he's self-righteous, flipped his position on MANY points so he would be "electable" by the conservative Right.
I just don't understand the infatuation with him. *grrr*
Mary
PS: Even though I'm trying my best not to, I'm laughing at the comment Deborah B. made about "cousins". (For anyone who doesn't know, Rudy's first wife was his 1st cousin... ewww)
I'd forgotten about W referring to the nation of Africa. There are just too many slip-ups like that to keep them all stored in the "seriously angry" wing of my brain.
I notice no one mentioned the NAU or the NAFTA highway - the most important issue in the history of this country.
But back to the NAU and NAFTA highway being the most important issue in the history of this country, are you for real on that?
I mean :
The Revolution and founding of this country.
The Constitution
Isolationism
Breaking of Isolationism
Genocide of the Native Americans
Sewards Folley
The Civil War
The Great Depression
The New Deal
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Panama
Dessert Storm
The Patriot Act - dont you know real patriots roled over intheir grave at that one.
Cuban Missile Crisis
Space Exploration
Civil Rights Movements
and oh so much more!
I want Harry Truman.
I'm scared that our politics is so out of whack that any truly good candidate will be out of the running. America needs a reform to quash, (I LOVE that word!), the two party system and our first past the post mentality needs to be eliminated. All citizens deserve a voice in a representative democracy and we are far from that. When citizens have to vote for the lesser of two evils we are in real trouble.
I don't think that Al Gore is so arrogant that he would not take the advice of his cabinet. Quite the contrary. I feel, however, that he is intelligent enough to have ticked off many Americans who aren't as smart as he is. His charisma exudes confidence as well as arrogance, but I don't believe deep down that is his style. He is passionate about our world, our country and its people; I don't believe that he will run though.