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Gather Non-Comment Deleters - This group was started because of an issue brought up by Doyle & Sharon about a certain person who deleted 124 responses to an article they wrote. I think if you are going to write an article here on Gather that pertains to anything remotely controversial you should expect replys from people who agree with your point of view (POV) and people who do not. So if you agree with me publish here to your heart's content. I don't really care what you publish. All I ask is you don't delete replys and I would prefer no X rated things because I want this to be a public group. I will try to respond to everyone, but may just have to give generic responses sometimes, so be forwarned. Also let me know if you see any mass deleters here and we will set them adrift. Here's to freedom of speech!
Anyone can join. Publish anything you want (except no X rated please). I would prefer no prior approval of comments articles. I want this to be an open forum for ideas of any kind about any subject. If you catch someone mass deleteing get in touch with me please. We will only censor those who censor us!
EDIT: I am going to clarify something for people who don't understand what the term "please" means. It is a request. If you go to the group and read the description you will clearly see (if you bother to read things to back up your argument) it says:
All I ask is you don't delete replys and I would prefer no X rated things because I want this to be a public group.
I am busy and I feel I have explained this sufficently for most people of average intelligence to understand. So please excuse me if I do not discuss this point anymore. Join, don't join, you are free to do as you please.
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Thanks for the invite!
I have a 12 year old that keeps me hopping, we have to drive to certain places, we have playdates, we have karate, etc. On weekends I have errands to do, places to go. Socializing to do. I get on maybe once on a Saturday and maybe 2-3 times on a Sunday. During the week I have a bit more time to play on the computer but I also have 12 other Yahoo groups to comment on stuff. I also have 2 MSN groups and other stuff to answer - personal stuff. I don't have all day! Sorry.
I DO read as much as possible, I do VIEW as much as possible and I comment on a lot of stuff. Sorry if this offends.
I am not joining the group as I do delete! I have to. Sorry.
I also had an experience with someone that wrote an article that she published for only "friends". Which is your right if you want to do so. What bothered me about that one though was she wrote what she claimed to be "facts that she knew" about others on Gather, but yet they could not see or respond to these "facts". If that isn't cowardice, I don't know what is!
Thanks for the invite!!!
I joined too. Cause I never delete any comments.
I'm new to all of this and am still trying to find my way. I stated on my profile since day one "To the point gathers: I am simply not interested."
Perhaps you can tell me if someone gets points for leaving comments and should those comments be deleted are their points then subtracted?
Some people seem more than interested in point gathering, it seems to be the whole reason they are here. So it is to their advantage to send as many comments as possible, which means they are probably not all that interested in the content of their comments, just the quantity.
Hmmmm. I'm starting to see the bigger picture here. Point gatherers descend upon a hapless soul such as my self and spend the whole day typing away and posting an inordinate amount of messages that contain virtually nothing of interest, and when those messages are deleted their points go away and they've wasted all that time. They get very upset and angry.
And then, to discourage deletions in the future they launch a personal attack via comments, messages and articles and begin a character assassination complete with unsubstantiated accusations and then go on to claim that it has something to do with free speech!
Nobody mentions the fact that I deleted all of my comments as well!
Well, I feel totally justified now in the actions I've taken, and I'm giving notice to others who would think to use me in that way that I have no compunction about deleting comments such as what I've received recently. I can smell a point gatherer a mile away now, thanks to the education I've just received.
I suppose that if you are all so set against the deletion of comments that mine will remain here as long as anybody's? Right? I'll check back and see.
I've been called a coward by some who are posting here, but I'm not the one hiding behind some icon with a false name. If you are so open and truthful and feel that what you are doing is so justifiably right and good and correct, why don't you show yourselves and tell us who you are?
There is no fear when truth is on your side. I've spent too much time on this nonsense already, so you all have your fun as long as it isn't on my page.
I am not ashamed or embarrased about a thing I've done. And it doesn't matter if points are subtracted or not or if your name is Chana or not.
What has happened to me was manipulative and controlling and has nothing to do with free speech or opposing points of view, as anyone can see by my other articles.
If it were so, I would have deleted all of Winston's replies and none of my own.
So go with hate if it makes you feel good, but no one here has convinced me to change my point of view.
I see you feel as if I was directing my comments to you, but until now I wasn't.
I could care less what you think. Good-bye and enjoy your hateful life.
BTW, points are not deleted when the comments are delted . . . FYI
What up Chana . . . cool article . . points for chana
I'm sorry for you that you didn't know how upset people would be about comment deletion. It's something many of us fought against, but Gather ignored us and instituted it anyway so it's a terrible sore spot around here. Typically, cowards and insecure writers are the only people who delete comments.
Unfortunately, this is very true, and equally annoying, making the whole Gather experience frustrating at times: "Some people seem more than interested in point gathering, it seems to be the whole reason they are here. So it is to their advantage to send as many comments as possible, which means they are probably not all that interested in the content of their comments, just the quantity."
I will give Mike credit for stepping up here but I am just going to leave it at credit for stepping up here and say nothing else about him.. since I do not know enough of all that he has written or said to make an intelligent honest call on that one.
You think this is all about you because you are hosting this article? Get off it. I didn't say Chana was hiding. Go back and read the response and stop putting words in my mouth.
You are not insinuating I'm a moron when you say that deep down you think I'm a moron? You have got to be kidding me? This is disingenuous.
So I'm not insulting you when I say that I'm being polite in telling you that I think you are a self-righteous mental midget who cares nothing for the truth or free speech but just wants to blab about the unimportant things and will not consider the bigger issues at hand nor read what I write and follow up by informing yourself prior to commenting and making a fool of yourself. Cool.
At least Bob C has the decency to withhold judgment without being fully informed of the issue. Kudos to Bob C.
Again, no one is saying anything about the fact that I deleted my comments as well, so where does that leave those who suggest that I am only promoting one view? I deleted all comments to get a fresh start. There was no point of view. Stop repeating accusations of partiality as they are patently not warranted.
Man, the lights are on but nobody's home.
Have you looked at my other articles and looked for comments by somebody named Winston, and have you noted that these comments are 100% contrary to my views, and that none of them have been deleted, and notice that Winston is one of the most prolific commentators to my articles? Have you done this?
I don't think so, because you make some stupid comment about John Lennon's middle name being Winton and then go on to say that I'm the one not reading your words.
Look at my response, react, answer the questions I've posed, do something other than blab about what you think. Try blabbing about what you know, it will take less time.
I'm not perfect lady, but at least I'm putting forth an effort here. It's more than I can say for you and many others commenting in this space.
I apologize about the "your hateful life" comment as it really applies to others who are associated with you and your group. You are perhaps a really sweet and wonderful person, a member of the tribe, and I'm really hurt you have given me so little consideration and the respect of my opinions. I wish we could start over again, but this is not resolved and the die is cast.
I just think you are easily confused. I can't even understand the sentences in your response. Read them, they are twisted.
For example "even if deep down inside of me I think you are a moron but am to polite to say that (this is not an insinuation)" this means I was not insinuating that you are a moron."
And Bob C says "Chana, so well spoken..." Huh? Give me a break!
Not one question that I have posed has been considered so not one point conceded. You guys have got to do better than this. This is not discussion, this is not communication, this is not debate. Those things require one to actually be informed of something and you need the ability to have a two-way conversation, not this one-way from you to me diatribe.
Do a little reading, a little thinking. I am available to answer any questions you may have, but I'm not going to waste my time if you are not going to give me the respect of listening and responding to what I have to say. I'm the aggrieved party here, not you.
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I've only met Chana online here, not in person. But she has been one of the nicest, straght forward people I ever met. The only agrieving I've seen here being done to you is you doing it to yourself. You misinterpret what she conveys to you, and turn it into an aggression against you that she had no intentions of. Now your utilizing an abundance of her space with such inferiority. Even still, she hasn't deleted you, even though she has that right.
As a member of this group, I would prefer to see that you accept her kindness, and perhaps dig deeper to the route of what's really bothering you. All I have read hear is that she has offered you nothing but kindness that you seem to deliberatly misinterpret. If this is going to continue I am going to ask the group to join me to convince Chana to delete all of your comments and block you from further comments if possible.
(not at you Chana).
Are we all clear? No offense meant by the use of scab. : )
That said, I threw myself a party last week when I had my first ever deleted comment. I had no idea anything could feel that good...
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This is what I said "Ghostly, as far as X rated comments, I am afraid you might not like my answer. I feel that one person's ceiling is another person's floor. But, I can also see Penni's POV. So as far as that is concerned I guess we will have to take that on a case by case basis." And I think if you check the groups you already belong to you will find that many of them REQUEST you do not submit X material. So please get off the "I would not join a group that..." because if that is really the case... Ok, an example, how many of you who are telling me I am infringing on people's rights belong to the group We Comment Back!? Well, you better drop out of that group also. "When someone post to our board, we post back! We take, we give! You scratch my back, I will scratch yours! Post anything but R or X rated stuff here!".
As I said before this is a group for people who wish to have a place for discourse without their comments being deleted. I am not planning on deleting anything. I don't mean to be rude, but please read what I am writing, not what you think I am saying/writing. I try to be very clear about what I am saying. If there is some confusion then let me know, but do not assume, because you know what happens when you assume.
That said, no comments will be deleted or recycled. Thank you for expressing your opinions.
I generally write light-hearted and funny things. I see no problem with taking off the comment of someone who is using my thread as a means to attack me or someone else. There's a person on this site that I've never personally interacted with who I've been told writes hate articles about me because I won't address them. (I won't read their stuff either. I work in mental health and it's too much like work for me. I'm not getting paid.) If they showed up on one of my threads, I'd delete them. I don't have to take abuse from the mentally ill when I'm here. I get enough of that at work. I also delete spam. And chapter whores.
Chana, my POV will still be all over Gather. I see no point in segregating ourselves into groups of "I remove big flashing pictures only" and "I remove cuss words" and "I remove insults" and "I remove anyone who isn't a friend" and "I'll remove every comment that doesn't contain at least one cuss word" -- instead of just behaving like rational adults and choosing where we want to spend our time. I am sad about the way people have used 'groups', which I think were designed to house like content.
Don't worry, jeni--you're not a so-called "chapter whore". Yet.
Sigh. That's all we need - another point-whoring group.
"I see no point in segregating ourselves into groups of "I remove big flashing pictures only" and "I remove cuss words" and "I remove insults" and "I remove anyone who isn't a friend" and "I'll remove every comment that doesn't contain at least one cuss word" Ah Sandy, did you see the name of the group by any chance. Its called Gather NON-DELETERS Group not the I delete some things but not others. That is another group. You can find them further on down the road.
I really hate to be rude, well because I really hate to be rude. But, READ WHAT I WROTE, NOT WHAT YOU INTERPRET ME TO MEAN. Oh, and then buy a clue. I apologize for being rude, but I am seriously starting to wonder whether some of you can only write and not read? Stop putting things in there, that are not there. Thank you.
You wrote in your article:
Chana: "Publish anything you want (except no X rated please)."
Sandy responded: "Sorry. I won't join any group that doesn't accept adult language. To me, that isn't freedom of speech either."
and you replied: "Sandy, I am sorry to hear you will not be joining because I do enjoy your POV so much! But, I respect your right to your opinion."
Sorry if that was misinterpreted. You certainly did nothing to clarify it yourself. Looks to me like you agreed with Sandy's assessment. I'm off to buy a clue now. Thank you.
All I ask is you don't delete replys and I would prefer no X rated things because I want this to be a public group.
Like I said read what I wrote, not what you interpret my words to mean. And no I did not agree. Have a nice night.
So what is the point in your group? If you aren't going to monitor (delete inappropriate content), your group has no purpose.
"I see no point in segregating ourselves into groups of "I remove big flashing pictures only" and "I remove cuss words" and "I remove insults" and "I remove anyone who isn't a friend" and "I'll remove every comment that doesn't contain at least one cuss word" Ah Sandy, did you see the name of the group by any chance. Its called Gather NON-DELETERS Group not the I delete some things but not others. That is another group. You can find them further on down the road.
Chana, you are not in the group alone. You created a group to segregate people who consider themselves non-deleters. A number of people joined your group, and then qualified their non-delete status on this thread. And you say you won't 'delete' them from your group, making this group ---well, I can't find the necessary clue to describe it.
I really hate to be rude, well because I really hate to be rude. But, READ WHAT I WROTE, NOT WHAT YOU INTERPRET ME TO MEAN. Oh, and then buy a clue. I apologize for being rude, but I am seriously starting to wonder whether some of you can only write and not read? Stop putting things in there, that are not there. Thank you. I read what you wrote, what others wrote, and how you responded. Was I not supposed to take everything into consideration?
Much ado about nothing. Mountains out of molehills.
What about global warming? How about the recession? Presidential politics anyone? Or our favorite, illegal immigration?
Yeah, I know, you've got your priorities: me, me, me, it's all about me. See me. See me comment. Listen to me say nothing because it is me saying it. You? You better not delete me, because I'm me, and me is more important than you because it's me. I am my comment, my comment is me. You will not, thou shalt not delete me, because I have this to say: I am me. I am going to remind you, since you will forget, that I am me now and in 5 minutes I'll still be me, and I'll let you know that I am me this hour and the next, so you will have to deal with me, because, like I said, I am more important than you. I have something to say and you do not, which is that I am me, in all my glory, now and forever, and that is important to you as it is to me, so we have something in common which is me.
People flatter themselves thinking that they have something to say, and when it takes 30 posts in a day to make your point, I think that alone is reason enough to realize that either the person is not capable of making a point or that they are harassing you, as if quantity instead of quality will make their point for them.
You could call that limiting discussion, but I think the action of posting 30 comments in a day actually achieves the same thing without making a point on the issue; it does speak volumes about the person who does this. When you have three people doing this that is 120 comments a day. That is how many comments I deleted, including my own (nobody has responded to this fact even once in this thread, yet they continue to claim that I was promoting my point of view and deleting only opposing comments, which is a lie!)
Has anyone received 120 comments a day from only 2 or 3 people on a single article? Does this happen all the time to you? Maybe you need to experience this yourself to see the impact it has on the discussion and on yourself. I've been tempted to demonstrate this myself, but I think it so rude and abhorrent that I cannot bring myself to do it.
This is my 4th comment to this whatever it is since July 5. And it's all about me.
Nick – I won't give it a rest until there is some resolution between the antagonists and myself. There can be no healing without a resolution to the matter.
Just the fact that this thread continues indicates that the problem will not be dealt with, but it does provide a self-righteous outlet for those who seems so insecure as to be unable to admit fault.
Rachael G - How about I comment on an article you wrote, let's say 100 times today. My first comment will say "1" and my next comment will say "2", and so on up to "100". I would expect from you that all my comments will remain on your page, right?
Do you think this will benefit the discussion?
Do you think that others will be interested in wading through the garbage to find something to respond to?
I will always delete comments from those so rude and full of themselves, those who contribute nothing yet stifle the discussion with an inordinate quantity of their blah-blah.
Have a nice day!
"I apologize for being rude, but I am seriously starting to wonder whether some of you can only write and not read? Stop putting things in there, that are not there."
I think it's called hypocracy.
So thanks for sharing the point of view . . . the only thing I'd like to have known besides that is what color the sky was in YOUR world. Oh well, maybe in the next lengthy monologue all about you, eh? I was fascinated about the "Me,me,me" sermon. I'd recommend you practice it in front of a mirror . . . if you get my drift.
Contemptuously Yours,
Doyle I <~~~~~
Why did it take you 30 comments to get your point across? It was clearly harrassment.
You think I should put up with that, no matter what your content was? Sorry. Homey don't play that.
It's my perogative to delete anything I want on my page. This whole response to my actions are a bit controlling in itself, just like posting 30 comments in a day to somebody's article and saying very little.
That's what the me, me, me is all about. That's you, Doyle.
And still no one here has mentioned the fact that I deleted all of my own comments along with the others. No one seems to be able to concede a point, a sure sign of insecurity, complete with a "Contemptuously Yours" at the end. I feel sorry for you.
You are too kind. Thank you for thanking me for sharing my point of view. Twice.
At least that is a civil way to be dismissed. I'll leave you to your fun.
You are a liar. Your deleted comments remain in my comment section in yellow. You deleted ON-TOPIC comments.
"You think I should put up with that, no matter what your content was?"
You deleted on topic comments and you know you did but are far too big a coward to admit it in an open forum because you're to busy playing like some panty-waist victim instead trying to step up, grow a pair, a be a man.
"Sorry. Homey don't play that."
No shit.
"It's my perogative to delete anything I want on my page. "
Wow. You figured that out all by yourself, did you? Let me guess, Oxford?
Look, (*rolls eyes*) genius. It's NOT just that you deleted topical comments. Don't you understand YET? ALL 154 comments were off-topic? But THEN . . . you referred to them as something which was blatantly untrue and the polar opposite in some cases. Sure you CAN do that. You CAN wet the bed if you like. But SHOULD you? So stop crying like a little girl who has dropped her ice cream in the sand.
"This whole response to my actions are a bit controlling in itself..."
Pfffffft. What it 'is' is other people have a perogative to speak where your delete happy finger has no authority. Sucks doesn't it?
"That's what the me, me, me is all about. That's you, Doyle."
I can see you pondered my comment long enough to come up with this stellar reparte! Obviously, you do spend a lot of time in contemplation. Let's see if my backward thinking can understand what you're saying here. It . . . is . . . essentially . . . umm . . .
"Nahhh Unh!" Ok. Let's get to a level you can appreciate. I'm rubber, you're glue . . . bounce off me and stick on you.
"And still no one here has mentioned the fact that I deleted all of my own comments along with the others."
What the . . . ? What do you want, a Fricken' BROWNIE? Who cares about you writing and deleting your own stuff? Are we supposed to be shocked that you're not pissed off at yourself for deleting yourself? WTF?
"No one seems to be able to concede a point, "
I concede you're idiot.
"...a sure sign of insecurity, complete with a "Contemptuously Yours" at the end."
HAHAHAhahahahaaaaaaa . . . insecure! BWA HAHAhahaaa . . . (*sniff*) . . . Stop . . . you're making my side hurt from laughing. Really. (*Deep Breath*) God dude . . . you really should look into stand up comedy. You'd be happy there. They can't delete stuff . . . but they can turn off a microphone.
"I feel sorry for you. "
You need not bother. You lied about me and never manned up to it. I have more respect for crapweasles.
"At least that is a civil way to be dismissed."
Beats the shit out of the delete button, eh? Take notes.
Have a nice weekend Chana, you have my regards. Doyle I <~~~~~