Maybe it's dress up day at the WH. You know Laura puts on her leather, GW puts on his soldier uniform............................I'll let you fill in the rest. hee-hee!
I gve you a 10 Lori but you are wrong. The only Draft Dodger we elected was William Jefferson Clinton. Bush at least was in the National Guard.
That said Obama is not only not qualified to be the Comander in Chief he would be the second worse choice for the job that we could find. The first worse choice being Ms Clinton.
I don't understand McCain and his stance. One would think a man of his background would be a lot less prone to put our troops in jeaprody in Illegal occupations and wars on foreign soil.
Look at the front page of Yahoo....there is a big tadooo about Obama wearing Muslim clothes...Seems that Hillary wants to keep this in the news...wonder why.
Of course Obama wearing a muslim garb is not offensive. (paraphrasing a column I recently read) However showing it and "accidentally" mispronouncing his name as "Osama Hussein" on Fox News , McCain rallies and across Wal-Mart's loudspeakers so trailer park denizens will get even more confused and panicky and start loading up the bunker with Ding-Dongs and Coors just in case the Muslim radicals take over.
The father of my children went to Vietnam as an 18 year old boy. How much he'd aged by the time he came home 18 mos. later is anybody's guess.
This is too personal to continue with, but I have major problems with playing "militry dress-up." But that's just probably because I had two children to comfort their father's full military funeral.
I agree, Lori. The things you listed are extremely offensive.
And Gary is correct, Bush did wear traditional garb in those countries. Remember when he strolled hand-in-hand with one guy because that was tradition.
The garb is pure fear mongering. Have you seen her new TV ad? It's even worse. This is all I have to say (quote):" If one candidate's trying to scare you, and the other one's trying to get you to think; if one candidate's appealing to your fears, and the other one's appealing to your hopes; you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope." -- Bill Clinton, 2004 Keywords from Bill Clinton: Fear and Hope. We have a hope candidate and a fear candidate. You decide.
I'm so sick of all this political B.S. It would be nice, if we could get back to actual political debate between the parties instead of all this character bashing and "he did this", "she did that". Well... at least we have a "she" to talk about now.
Lori, do you have proof President Bush was a draft dodger? That's a pretty substantial allegation to level at someone.
I'm not the least bit offended by anyone's choice of clothing - so long as they cover up stuff I may not want to see - and I suspect most people aren't either.
" I don't find Obama Wearing Muslim/Somalian Garb offensive at all" I don't either, what I do find offensive , is the Obama camp's attempts at hiding the facts instead of coming clean.
"Bush at least was in the National Guard." Sure he was. wink, wink.
Good grief, Lori! Too freakin' bad I have to leave for work. I have some things to say but not enough time. For one thing, Bush is the commander in chief of all military branches.
But, what's stopped Obama from serving his country? Oh that's right he won't even put his hand over his heart half the time when our National Anthem is played. He doesn't wear a flag pin of our country. BUT, to show respect to an elder in another country he WILL don their traditional garb.
"Obama camp's attempts at hiding the facts instead of coming clean."
What constitutes "hiding the facts", Juan? And don't you think "coming clean" denotes that he did something wrong? I'm baffled by your choice of words. Please explain.
Chandra I can no more prove my claims than the people can prove that Obama is a closet muslim who plans to invade the highest office in the nation and put americans under attack by radical muslims
How we ever elected a draft dodger to be commander in chief of our military is beyond me.
Well, Lori, I have no problem with the fact that I do think that people who have served our country make better commanders in chief of the armed forces. When possible, in evaluating our choices, I think it's a very valid consideration and should hold some priority in our election decisions.
The phrase, draft dodger, however, when applied to GWB, does not help to make that point because it invalidates your premise. Draft dodging is a felony. In order to be a draft dodger you must first be drafted. A draft dodger is a felon that refuses to serve after being drafted. George Bush was not drafted. The same accusations were made of Clinton, who also my have pulled strings, but you have to call it was it is and not what it isn't. Neither Clinton nor Bush are felons who dodged the draft.
Both GWB and Bill Clinton were draft evaders. This is different from draft dodging, however. This is not a legal offense, but it does say something, and depending on what you're trying to prove, it can be significant. I can't speak directly to this article's premise since its premise is false. If you'd like to change it to the truth, then maybe I can comment with an opinion.
I think that Obama being dressed in the turban and garb can help in the long run. Reason being when you visit a lot of the mid-East and African countries they will often present gifts to designate you as a honored guest. Rejecting a gift means you reject the honor that they give. A special honor is to be asked to participate in a ceremony that could be thousands of years old, to participate you may have to have special clothing instead of a business suit. This can show Obama social awareness which will be good for international relations.
GW Bush while in a Eastern Europe shook hands with his gloves on, that was taken as an insult there. Bush did it by accident but if he was more socially aware of the culture the entire incident could have been avoided. Obama need to explain these cultural facts to the people.
Also I had a friend who was in Desert Storm and a Sheik from Kuwait wanted to thank the US troops for helping and bought nice watches as presents, the US troops refused because of what ever. Believe me this Sheik felt that he was spit on when this happened- this was one ticked off individual.
Thank you, Lori. You're the best! I think you're right on now. I don't know all the facts on how Bush evaded the war. If anyone does, and I mean facts, I would like to know. There is no doubt that he did. There is a good article on Snopes as to how Clinton did. I don't find the behavior of Bush or Clinton fitting for a President. I think it's deplorable, especially if you're willing to send others to do what you wouldn't do.
Margo how true but I was just pointing out for those people who are appalled that Obama was wearing Muslim clothing that Bush and others have done the same.
Joy honey - I'm so sorry. That horrible nightmare, Vietnam did so much damage that the ramifications will still be resonating long after we're gone.
Obama did the diplomatic thing. The shrub - he doesn't even know what he's doing - GI Joe wanna be. I say we throw his and Cheney's dead asses in the front lines and run.
Juan: "I don't either, what I do find offensive , is the Obama camp's attempts at hiding the facts instead of coming clean."
Are you saying the Obama camp should have posted the picture somewhere before it got out so the American people know about it? If so, you are saying it's somewhat controversial. Explain?
"Coming clean". People who get accused of something come clean. So you are admitting the picture is an accusation of something?
The pic was taken during an OFFICIAL US visit to Kenya. He did not go there to simply visit relatives. There was a bunch of US officials with him including the US general (retired now) who came out and denounce the picture publication.
"coming clean" is a figure of speech, what I meant, was instead of acting like it was some sort of conspiracy to discredit him, he should have embraced the picture and the circumstances surrounding it.
Uh... Frequently visiting officials wear traditional garb of the country they are visiting, especially if it is given as a gift? They try to do that as a sign of respect...
Sorry Col. George, but if taking a minority slot in the National Guard isn't draft dodging then neither is taking a college deferment. They were, in case you didn't know, legal and taken advantage of by the children of rich Republicans as well as poor kids from Arkansas. Personally I don't think they should be allowed but nobody asked me.
As for the Obama picture, I consider it a non-issue. I realize that after more than seven years of Bush many people watching someone being diplomatic and culturally aware comes as quite a shock, but trust me. Presidents used to do it all the time.
Ed no I did not and I never claimed I did or made exsuses why I didnt. My husband served as a United States Marine. He was honorably discarged he came out as a SGT. Something I am very proud of.
My 2 uncles were officers both in the air force. One put in 30 years and one 40.
My boss is a combat wounded vietnam veteran...he came out with the rank of Sgt. Major. He did 4 tours in Nam.
Our VP was his CO in nam.
So dont tell me Ed about serving my country I am surrounded by people who DID their duty and more.
Apparently, when one is in Somalia, one wears the traditional garb.
And, as far as not saluting the flag or wearing a flag pin: Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of American men and women have DIED in battle to give each American these rights (among others...). The LEAST we could do is respect their sacrifice to our (REAL) American ideals and celebrate the fact that we live in a country that (for the meantime) allows -- nay, ENCOURAGES -- the principle of "to each his/her own".
"not saluting the flag or wearing a flag pin" I am sorry but I can't get past this.
Intellectually I agree that we with Jean's comment "Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of American men and women have DIED in battle to give each American these rights (among others)" but I can't get past the picture of a sitting President who refuses to wear the flag on his or her lapel or who refuses to salute the very symbol of the country he or she is suppose to represent.
(I am also highly amused by the people that STILL think Obama is Muslim and refused to put his hand on his heart during the national anthem. Ever heard of Snopes?)
Snopes ? Yea I have been know to take a drink or two of Peppermint Snopes. LOL . :0) I agree and concede that there is a lot of misinformation, half-truths and lies out in world about Obama as well as his opponents both Democrat and Republican. That is why I ask and ask question after question in order to sift through all the garbage and eventually come out with at least some truths.
But you can't argue with facts, such as you have never seen Obama wear a U.S. flag pin on his lapel, I have seen pictures in which everyone but he is saluting the flag. As much as I want to, I can't get past that fact.
I don't wear a flag pin so I'm not a patriot? We are so cynical that a pin decides who is a patriot and who is not? Give me a break. You found a picture that showed Sen Obama had not yet put his had over his heart but you, nor anyone else, has seen a video that shows that Sen Obama has failed to show proper respect to our flag. A picture is an instant of time. Where's the continuation? If the Repubs had it believe me it would be front and center.
You don't find it interesting that the Republicans have you thinking about a pin and not about issues facing this country? You like being played?
Oh, I don't wear a flag pin on my suit lapel because I choose not to. I do however wear my Purple Heart lapel pin when I so choose. When I don't wear it am I not as good a patriot as "Five Deferment" Cheney who "had other priorities" than serving during Viet Nam or maybe that man that used daddy's connections to get into the Air National Guard and avoid combat in "Nam?
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That said Obama is not only not qualified to be the Comander in Chief he would be the second worse choice for the job that we could find. The first worse choice being Ms Clinton.
I don't understand McCain and his stance. One would think a man of his background would be a lot less prone to put our troops in jeaprody in Illegal occupations and wars on foreign soil.
Jim I didnt vote for him either.
ew, on second thought, that offends even me. *shudder*
(paraphrasing a column I recently read) However showing it and "accidentally" mispronouncing his name as "Osama Hussein" on Fox News , McCain rallies and across Wal-Mart's loudspeakers so trailer park denizens will get even more confused and panicky and start loading up the bunker with Ding-Dongs and Coors just in case the Muslim radicals take over.
This is too personal to continue with, but I have major problems with playing "militry dress-up." But that's just probably because I had two children to comfort their father's full military funeral.
Here is the news piece that inspired this.
Millions of hugs to you Joy:)
And Gary is correct, Bush did wear traditional garb in those countries. Remember when he strolled hand-in-hand with one guy because that was tradition.
Will the duplicity ever end?
This is all I have to say (quote):" If one candidate's trying to scare you, and the other one's trying to get you to think; if one candidate's appealing to your fears, and the other one's appealing to your hopes; you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope." -- Bill Clinton, 2004
Keywords from Bill Clinton: Fear and Hope. We have a hope candidate and a fear candidate. You decide.
And I second other people's comment about not finding Obama's being in Somalian garb the least bit offensive.
I'm not the least bit offended by anyone's choice of clothing - so long as they cover up stuff I may not want to see - and I suspect most people aren't either.
It's another tempest in a teapot.
"Bush at least was in the National Guard." Sure he was. wink, wink.
But, what's stopped Obama from serving his country? Oh that's right he won't even put his hand over his heart half the time when our National Anthem is played. He doesn't wear a flag pin of our country. BUT, to show respect to an elder in another country he WILL don their traditional garb.
What constitutes "hiding the facts", Juan? And don't you think "coming clean" denotes that he did something wrong? I'm baffled by your choice of words. Please explain.
Well, Lori, I have no problem with the fact that I do think that people who have served our country make better commanders in chief of the armed forces. When possible, in evaluating our choices, I think it's a very valid consideration and should hold some priority in our election decisions.
The phrase, draft dodger, however, when applied to GWB, does not help to make that point because it invalidates your premise. Draft dodging is a felony. In order to be a draft dodger you must first be drafted. A draft dodger is a felon that refuses to serve after being drafted. George Bush was not drafted. The same accusations were made of Clinton, who also my have pulled strings, but you have to call it was it is and not what it isn't. Neither Clinton nor Bush are felons who dodged the draft.
Both GWB and Bill Clinton were draft evaders. This is different from draft dodging, however. This is not a legal offense, but it does say something, and depending on what you're trying to prove, it can be significant. I can't speak directly to this article's premise since its premise is false. If you'd like to change it to the truth, then maybe I can comment with an opinion.
GW Bush while in a Eastern Europe shook hands with his gloves on, that was taken as an insult there. Bush did it by accident but if he was more socially aware of the culture the entire incident could have been avoided. Obama need to explain these cultural facts to the people.
Also I had a friend who was in Desert Storm and a Sheik from Kuwait wanted to thank the US troops for helping and bought nice watches as presents, the US troops refused because of what ever. Believe me this Sheik felt that he was spit on when this happened- this was one ticked off individual.
Rev...I would make chocolate at work mandatory:)
Obama did the diplomatic thing. The shrub - he doesn't even know what he's doing - GI Joe wanna be. I say we throw his and Cheney's dead asses in the front lines and run.
Are you saying the Obama camp should have posted the picture somewhere before it got out so the American people know about it? If so, you are saying it's somewhat controversial. Explain?
"Coming clean". People who get accused of something come clean. So you are admitting the picture is an accusation of something?
The pic was taken during an OFFICIAL US visit to Kenya. He did not go there to simply visit relatives. There was a bunch of US officials with him including the US general (retired now) who came out and denounce the picture publication.
As for the Obama picture, I consider it a non-issue. I realize that after more than seven years of Bush many people watching someone being diplomatic and culturally aware comes as quite a shock, but trust me. Presidents used to do it all the time.
My 2 uncles were officers both in the air force. One put in 30 years and one 40.
My boss is a combat wounded vietnam veteran...he came out with the rank of Sgt. Major. He did 4 tours in Nam.
Our VP was his CO in nam.
So dont tell me Ed about serving my country I am surrounded by people who DID their duty and more.
They didnt try and escape their duty like Bush.
When one is in Holland, one wears wooden shoes...
When one is in Mexico, one wears a serape'...
Apparently, when one is in Somalia, one wears the traditional garb.
And, as far as not saluting the flag or wearing a flag pin: Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of American men and women have DIED in battle to give each American these rights (among others...). The LEAST we could do is respect their sacrifice to our (REAL) American ideals and celebrate the fact that we live in a country that (for the meantime) allows -- nay, ENCOURAGES -- the principle of "to each his/her own".
Intellectually I agree that we with Jean's comment "Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of American men and women have DIED in battle to give each American these rights (among others)" but I can't get past the picture of a sitting President who refuses to wear the flag on his or her lapel or who refuses to salute the very symbol of the country he or she is suppose to represent.
(I am also highly amused by the people that STILL think Obama is Muslim and refused to put his hand on his heart during the national anthem. Ever heard of Snopes?)
I agree and concede that there is a lot of misinformation, half-truths and lies out in world about Obama as well as his opponents both Democrat and Republican. That is why I ask and ask question after question in order to sift through all the garbage and eventually come out with at least some truths.
But you can't argue with facts, such as you have never seen Obama wear a U.S. flag pin on his lapel, I have seen pictures in which everyone but he is saluting the flag. As much as I want to, I can't get past that fact.
I don't wear a flag pin so I'm not a patriot? We are so cynical that a pin decides who is a patriot and who is not? Give me a break. You found a picture that showed Sen Obama had not yet put his had over his heart but you, nor anyone else, has seen a video that shows that Sen Obama has failed to show proper respect to our flag. A picture is an instant of time. Where's the continuation? If the Repubs had it believe me it would be front and center.
You don't find it interesting that the Republicans have you thinking about a pin and not about issues facing this country? You like being played?
Oh, I don't wear a flag pin on my suit lapel because I choose not to. I do however wear my Purple Heart lapel pin when I so choose. When I don't wear it am I not as good a patriot as "Five Deferment" Cheney who "had other priorities" than serving during Viet Nam or maybe that man that used daddy's connections to get into the Air National Guard and avoid combat in "Nam?