
POETRY CENTRAL Volume 3, Number 5 ~Poems on Poems~
A poem should be motionless in time
As the moon climbs,Leaving, as the moon releases
Twig by twig the night-entangled trees,Leaving, as the moon behind the winter leaves.
Memory by memory the mind--A poem should be motionless in time
As the moon climbs.
There is a fascinating body of poetry that looks inward into its own craft and asks the unanswerable question, what is poetry? These poems, perhaps self-conscious, often purposefully pretentious, and certainly noticeable in their peculiar form and voice, have much to teach us about what makes a poem a poem. What are the distinctions? What are the qualities in a poem that leave us breathless, caught up in the transport of an image away from our accustomed vantage and reference points, that lead us into new, unfamiliar territory?
Many great poets have written poems on poems. I’ve taken a look around and chosen some examples that I think will interest you. As well, I offer one of my own to chew on. Hopefully, this will inspire you to think about your craft, not only in writing poems, but prose as well.
Robert Frost once said, “Poetry is when an emotion has found its thought and the thought has found words.” In looking at what poets have said about poetry in their poems, a striking number have dealt with the effect of words on an individual’s feelings and the resultant impact on all of the senses. It is true, I think, that poetry accentuates the moment in its form, by nature given to brevity (when compared to prose). Perhaps it is this punctuation of the moment that arms the poem to eventually fire rockets into our emotional being.
A poem can shoot off a receptor in the brain with two well-placed words; and, at least with me- I rarely see it coming. This unanticipated dart to the soul is what I love about poetry. Frank O’Hara (1926-1966), a wonderful poet out of the New York School, put it this way:
My Heart, by Frank O'Hara
I'm not going to cry all the time
nor shall I laugh all the time,
I don't prefer one "strain" to another.
I'd have the immediacy of a bad movie,
not just a sleeper, but also the big,
overproduced first-run kind. I want to be
at least as alive as the vulgar. And if
some aficionado of my mess says "That's
not like Frank!", all to the good! I
don't wear brown and grey suits all the time,
do I? No. I wear workshirts to the opera,
often. I want my feet to be bare,
I want my face to be shaven, and my heart--
you can't plan on the heart, but
the better part of it, my poetry, is open.
Probably my favorite quote on the power of a poem to elicit an emotional response comes from Robert Frost, who said, simply, “A poem begins with a lump in the throat." Often, this kind of response can come from the majesty and sound of words linked artfully together by a master poet. Alexander Pope (1688-1744) wrote a superb poem on the effect of the spoken word in poetry on the senses, entitled, Sound and Sense, which begins:
True ease in writing comes from art, not chance,
As those move easiest who have learned to dance.
'Tis not enough no harshness gives offense,
The sound must seem an echo to the sense...
The sense of sound in poetry is paramount. When all else fails, it is often the pure sound of a great poem that grabs us and prompts our emotions. This lyrical quality is something poetry can claim as a distinctive. Not all poems, obviously. But I’ve often sat in front of a poem trying to figure out what it was that I liked so much about it, and then finally realized it was simply the beauty of the words put together in a magical way.
What about the obtuseness found in some poetry? How many of us have thrown up our hands (versus our lunch) and remarked, what in the world is this poem talking about? Have you read any Wallace Stevens lately? Or what about T.S. Elliott? If so, then try some excerpts from the following two compelling poems on for size and tell me if you feel any better.
Introduction to Poetry (excerpt), by Billy Collins
I ask them to take a poem
and hold it up to the light
like a color slideor press an ear against its hive...
But all they want to do
is tie the poem to a chair with a rope
and torture a confession out of it.They begin beating it with a hose
to find out what it really means.
My Poems, by Robert Currie.
My poems
are slim bombs
craving explosion
Their fuses lie
dark on the page
awaiting your arrival with a light.
Appears in a text book, Literary Experiences, Vol. I by Oster, Iveson and McClay (in the section entitled "To the Student")
So what is poetry? I imagine there are as many answers to that question as there are readers. However, in examining poems written by well-known poets on what comprises the essence of their craft, I’ve been happily surprised by what I’ve encountered. A striking poem on this topic comes from Wallace Stevens (1879-1955), who saw and felt his way through poetry, in the delineation of the imagery of ideas and the effects of those ideas on the senses. Stevens said of modern poetry, “…[it is] the poem of the mind in the act of finding what will suffice.” His sardonically honest poem, “Poetry is a Destructive Force,” brilliantly captures one quality of poetry that is incontrovertible: its potential influence and power over the reader.
Poetry is a Destructive Force, by Wallace Stevens
That's what misery is,
Nothing to have at heart.
It is to have or nothing.It is a thing to have,
A lion, an ox in his breast,
To feel it breathing there.Corazon, stout dog,
Young ox, bow-legged bear,
He tastes its blood, not spit.He is like a man
In the body of a violent beast
Its muscles are his own...The lion sleeps in the sun.
Its nose is on its paws.
It can kill a man.
Marianne Moore (1887-1972), was a Pulitzer Prize winning American poet who was influential in the early writing careers of many young poets who went on to become great American poets, including Elizabeth Bishop, John Ashbery and James Merrill.. The following poem is astounding in its clarity and understanding of the nature and distinctive qualities in poetry that make it interesting and appealing. I highly recommend reading it a number of times.
Poetry, by Marianne Moore
I too, dislike it: there are things that are important beyond all this fiddle.
Reading it, however, with a perfect contempt for it, one discovers that there is in
it after all, a place for the genuine.
Hands that can grasp, eyes
that can dilate, hair that can riseif it must, these things are important not because a high sounding interpretation can be put upon them but because they are
useful; when they become so derivative as to become unintelligible,
the same thing may be said for all of us, that we
do not admire what
we cannot understand: the bat,
holding on upside down or in quest of something to
eat, elephants pushing, a wild horse taking a roll, a tireless wolf undera tree, the immovable critic twitching his skin like a horse that
feels a flea, the base-
ball fan, the statistician--
nor is it valid
to discriminate against "business documents and
schoolbooks"; all these phenomena are important. One must make a distinction
however: when dragged into prominence by half poets, the result is not pretty,
nor till the poets among us can be"literalists of
the imagination"--above
insolence and triviality and can present
for inspection, imaginary gardens with real toads in them, shall we have
it. In the meantime, if you demand on one hand,
the raw material of poetry in
all its rawness and
that which is on the other hand
genuine, then you are interested in poetry.
Finally, if you’re not yet worn out, I close with a little poem of my own, which was entered into a contest on this very theme, poems on poems. Let me know what you think of it, as well as any other poems mentioned in this article. I’m especially interested to hear your thoughts about what makes a poem a poem, or what is poetry? I’m sure you won’t have any trouble answering in the tiny comment boxes below! If you get exasperated, don’t fret. Write a poem (see below)!
How to Write a Poem, by Edward Nudelman
First, arise very early in the morning. Brush your teeth
and floss (if you forgot last night). No wait. First drink
a cup of dark black coffee on a couch, alone, while you
gaze out the window and watch the school kids march
solemnly to St. Catherine’s. Strike that. Better to first
open the window, then you may catch that beautiful
mockingbird song (or, if not there, imagine that you hear
ithe mockingbird). If today is a warm August morning,
(which it is not, for me) you may be able to pick up the
pungent orange blossom which can coat your tongue with
enough perfume to literally exclude the need to brush
your teeth (this is a lie). If no birds are singing, try to find
the sound of rustling wind. And don’t forget, if the school
kids are walking by, you may be able to see them slowly
proceeding in single file (if your sidewalk is very narrow).
When you see them, quickly close your eyes and remember,
these are the moments of your life. Now, it’s probably past
your cutoff point, so quickly go upstairs and brush your
teeth (if no orange blossom). Steel yourself for the day.
Remember that Susan has been going through hell with the
loss of your dog (as have you, but that pertains to other
poems); see if you can think of something nice to say to her
that might comfort her, give her solace, or prepare her for
what looks like a pretty difficult day. (Note that these
notions are platitudes, but milk them for all they’re worth).
Hold Susan, and say, “I’ll come home for lunch today, if I
possibly can,” knowing that you certainly cannot. Strike that.
Simply say, “I love you dear.” Then kiss her on the very
top of her nose. Drive to work, trying to find a song that
you can cling to. Work. Look for that meager scrap of
paper in the pile in front of you that will free you from the
dread of all the other pieces of paper in front of you. Eat
lunch in your meeting. On the way home, take the car to
the dealers for the umpteenth time in the last month. Yell
nicely at the clueless manager. Hold that thought. Just
threaten him with a lawsuit. That always works. Drive
home in the rental car. Give Susan the flowers you forgot
to buy. Greet the dog you no longer have. Sit back on
your couch, where earlier you couldn’t hear the mockingbird,
and remember, as best you can, what that sound did for you
last summer, when everything else was just wind and smell
and moments piling on top of themselves. Like school
children in a straight line. Now write the bloody poem.
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Written by Edward Nudelman, Books Correspondent for POETRY CENTRAL
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Comments: 123
Your poem made me laugh a bit while at the same time my shoulder muscles tensed with recognition, nodding my head with understanding.
Poetry is an experience, distilled and shared. .
2nd, I love the way these other poets have presented their theories on poetry, I would love it if these poems are part of the syllabus in the "literary criticism and theory" paper offered in my university, that still insists on reading and deciphering classical theory, not that it is irrelevant, but it is more tiresome that what these poets have said...
3rd, I think poems are a great way of expressing yourself, if you are capable of it... I don't attach myself to a literary cause or anything, I have things I want to say, and poetry is my choice of expression.... I have written a poem about writing... I think almost all 'poets' do that... write about writing... no point writing if you don't have a theory about it no?
I enjoyed this article, for the simple reason that apart from learning other poets' points of view, I have also come across names I have not heard, and I do intend to look them up and read more of their poetry... Thank you for that.... and plagiarist.com is also a good website to get texts of poems!!!
I like the way the Billy Collins' poem resonates with the ideas in Marianne Moore's work. Also offer the comment, perhaps a spark for future columns from both of us, that songwriters are often the poets of these times.
I will put Chaos into fourteen lines
And keep him there; and let him thence escape
If he be lucky; let him twist, and ape
Flood, fire, and demon --- his adroit designs
Will strain to nothing in the strict confines
Of this sweet order, where, in pious rape,
I hold his essence and amorphous shape,
Till he with Order mingles and combines.
Past are the hours, the years of our duress,
His arrogance, our awful servitude:
I have him. He is nothing more nor less
Than something simple not yet understood;
I shall not even force him to confess;
Or answer. I will only make him good.
-- Edna St. Vincent Millay
http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/905.html
http://www.amazon.com/Routledge-Anthology-Poets/dp/0415118476/ref=sr_1_7/104-1992192-8583119?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189436402&sr=8-7
Thanks for posting this, very nicely done.
Poetry for me is a way to express myself. I think I have a long way to go to become a good poet, but I'm working on it.
Thanks.
Eight lines from the finish of yours I began to cry.
And wondered if this poem made me weep the first time I read it.
I love Robert Frost's words "A poem begins with a lump in the throat."
For me, words roll and twist on my tongue, tangling.
When they begin to unravel themselves into coherent thought....
I begin to write.
I used to write poetry when I was in high school and early college, but haven't written anything substantial since then. I tend to overwrite sometimes and for a medium that's built on economy, that's not a good tendency.
I also appreciate your willingness to share some of yourself and your writing philosophies and techniques with us.
I actually liked yours best... it is one I can identify with...
Thank you for sharing wonderful Information and poetry.
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I loved Billy Collins' image of the poem tied to a chair - they wouldn't let any of us take English Lit at my high school because they'd decided that too much analysis would forever ruin us as readers. Actually, I've enjoyed pretending to take lit with my kids, but I can see what they meant, and Collins' poem means something similar.
The boys learned to guess what the teacher wanted them to find in what they read. And sometimes we imagine we have to guess what the writer wants us to find. But I'd rather find the part of me that's exposed in the writer's words, and realise we're connected to others in this world, in places deeper than we usually care to, or can look.
Thanks also for including Marianne Moore--she is a favorite of mine. Her artful marryiage of acute scientific observation and, well, poetic language never fails to astound me. And her sly humor always makes me smile.
A poem should be motionless in time
As the moon climbs,
reminds me of one of my favorite lines in Yeats:
For who can know the dancer from the dance?
I'm sorry that you and Susan have lost your dog, my canine friend of 16 years passed
two years ago and I have decided not to replace him. His grave is in a bower on our
property and a friend in the monument business made me a small marker for Third.
Try to remember the flowers, they ease and comfort the mind and soul.
before me has just about said it all. I will agree
with what my dear friend William had to say and
also what my dear friend Elsie had to say, as if it
came from my mind too! Thank you dear man for
sharing those intimate things in your life.
Just Me
Barbie
And flowers are a nice
touch dear man.
Even though I really adore Robert Frost as a poet (he is probably the only poet in English I have read quite thoroughly and keep going back to over and over again), I am not sure I would agree with his comment about poetry though... 'A poem begins with a lump in the throat'. Doesn't it suggest that poetry is only about emotions and feelings? But are all good poems confined to emotions only?
old remembrance time has healed
then revealed in the reason of the heart
a beauty in agony and respite for all is living
with joy or sadness until the day we part
Now as to your poem. It is Ed as I have come to appreciate him. Chock full of honesty and laced with a heart searched wrestling. All the while, telling me about life as seen uniquely through Ed's perceptive eyes.
I don't know about hidden meanings so much. I merely received your poem as it moved me. Saying along the way: yes, that's it! More, more, more.
Pat
My part of the social contract,
my cultural role
is to dig deep down into the depths
of my soul,
which connects to
the collective whole
to fully merge with that landscape
become every bit of soil, every seed,
explore the before, becoming,
bereavement, paint it in color,
texture, tone, in language
that is mine alone
grown from and refeeding
the collective tongue.
Whatever the value we perceive
and pay into the collective budget
to receive
art gives beauty, pleasure, entertainment,
elevation of our mundane experience,
communication of politics and pain,
and ways to sustain intimacy, explain
personal perplexities, move beyond
boundaries, feel more than, embrace
a common destiny, absorb accumulated
wisdom, reason to believe in more than
-- on and on into mystery, history, possibility,
fantasy and wonder.
All this the artist gives, payment for the
sustenance of inspiration
refueling our power
to give ever more.
(c) June 10, 2006 Laurie Corzett/libramoon
Pop Quiz
What is more useless than a poet, and why?
Encloistered in my artist's garrett, threadbare garments more holes than whole
Paint spattered, unruly and unkempt
Barely aware of the need for sustenance or even air
Entranced by the necessity of exploring, exposing my vision
I am the essence of romance.
Writing words on paper, I am merely effete,
Despite my black attire and permanent scowl.
Even if they are good words, finely wrought, expressing deeply true emotion
They are almost literally a dime a dozen.
To expose my wound is inelegance, to explore my essence a narcissistic malaise.
I am the real deal -- the poet-philosopher, the idealist dreamer, the journey's fool.
Surely I should be surrounded by accolytes at my feet, honored to breathe the sacred
Incense of my magesty.
Yet here I stand with bills unpaid in the squalor of a rented room,
Unadorned by idolatry.
(c) Laurie Corzett/libramoon
libramoon
God Blessings
always dee-dee
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quote of how Robert Frost defines poetry. rpw
Some of them I've read and like before like Billy Collins who I also like. Others not. But it still goes on as long as life is still there, I guess
Poetry is the language of the soul - of heart speaking to heart through emotions. To me, the feeling is more important than the meaning and the content of the feeling more important than the structure - than the way it is said. As a general rule of my thumb, if a poem has emotional impact, it works; if it has no emotional impact, it struggles.
I do still feel intensely alive and vibrant when I read a really good Frost - yowser! There was a man who speaks to my heart - besides you and Billy, of course.
you poem has a sarcastic homour in it ... Like the way you present poetry as a vent to our inner feelings that are crying to come out ...good , bad , important , mundane ..just anything ..
we like some poems for sheer musical flow , and some for the fact that we had to read them 3 times to understand what exactly the poet meant ...some for brillantly putting across a feeling that we can associate with ..some for just being a simple honest expression of self and desires of poet .
" True ease in writing comes from art, not chance,
As those move easiest who have learned to dance."
how true , every art needs practice and patience and your writings are examples of art well learnt.
very now
in the still
of the morning.
Karen M. Tylutki
Thanks