LEFT OF THE RIGHT: White House Out Of Control, Time To IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!

While I agree with some of what you say, given the narrow margins in congress and the mess things are in both domestically and abroad, quite frankly we cannot afford the indulgence of an impeachment that is assured of being axed for political reasons before it can even get off the ground. Congress gets precious little done as it is, and even that little would stop if they were embroiled in an impeachment.

Can we get down to solving real issues instead of playing 'gotcha' politics all the time?

This is rich I just can't resist.....Firing away while wondering...

1. Manipulation of the ballots...You mean like Gore trying to get all the absentee ballots of active duty soldiers thrown out? Or are you just saying that to try to gloss over the fact that every recount done since the election shows Bush won florida sorry that dog won't run anymore.


2. That sounds eerily similar to all teh voted cast in St. Louis by dead people, coincidentally almost every single one for the Dem candidate.......I guess ghosts are liberals...


3. Katrina; Do local and state government bear any responsibilty for the safety of their own citizens? How is it that so many people refused to leave their homes despite repeated warnings to do so? Do they not have any responsiblity for the consequences of their action or lack of action? ( this is rhetorical, I realize true liberals believe no one is responsible for themselves. That is the job of government, and why they need to take more of your hard earned money to give to someone else who didn't earn it so they can buy their votes.....After all where do you get off thinking you are entitled to what you earn? The Dems will decide what to do with your money, you just spend it foolishly anyway...


4. The fighting of the Iraq war. Here we have some common ground but not for the same reasons. It was not a well executed and thought out war plan. But once again liberalism reaises it's head here. We now have to fight nice and fair wars. No fair using all the weapons in our arsenal and overwhelming the opposition with staggering force so powerful that they realize to continue fighting is suicidal. No let;s fight an Islamic friendly war.... You want to kill our marines from a mosque?? OK we won't fight back. Use a hospital and a military staging point?? Well we can't bomb there now can we? We might hurt innocents... The fact is it would not be us who is responsible for any damage or casulaties. It would be those who have so little regard for their own religion and fellow countrymen that they would put them in danger by putting them in the middle of a battle zone. We could have been out of Iraq Years ago. But we would have had to be really really mean and then people would be mad at us......We did it the nice way.....made lots of friends huh?


5. Lying about going to war..........This is the most cynical and disingenous of all. Because we warned and threatened and asked the U.N. to talk sternly to Iraq and then talk sternly to them a second time, and when that failed tell them if they didn't comply there would be another very stern warning for years. Because we literally gaven them almost two years notice we were coming, I suppose it is beyond the scope of reason, to assume they would have done away with most of the evidence. BTW there were several hundred tons of chemical munitions found early on. But let's not let a trivial thing like a fact derail you.

GD it Don, voting is for writing ability, NOT so you can show your contempt for my politics. Oh yeah, tying up congress over a BJ wasn't? You Repubs are really something else. If just once you applied the same scrutiny to your own you do to Demo's I'd switch parties.

Carolyn, I don't think we can afford not to. The way this administartion is mucking things up, we'll be lucky if we have a country by Jan. 2009.

This is getting to be a boring topic. If they had anything on Bush they would of impeached a long time ago. If the liberals and Dems put as much enengy as to fixing some really important issues instead of wasting valuable time on trying to get Bush on something, it would make them look better, Example. just heard on the tv today, the Dems want to raise taxes on the middle income and cut the amount of money people receive for dependents. This sure is calling the kettle black coming from the mouthes of those who think the economy is so bad now. If they raise the taxes people will stop spending. This makes good sense. I dont believe anything that the libs or the Dems say.

chris, WHAT? liberals want to fight "fair" wars. Where did you get that tripe. I'm a liberal and I say IF we go, then we go all the way man. I don't know where in the hell you got that from.

"If the liberals and Dems put as much enengy as to fixing some really important issues instead of wasting valuable time on trying to get Bush on something"

Wow, just change the names and what you just said is almost verbatum exactly what a lot of Dems were saying when you the Rep's tried to impeach Clinton. How does it feel. Anyone who continues to defend this administration at this point needs a CAT scan.

Well then Devin on that matter we have common ground. War is about killing people and breaking things. There is no pleasant way to it. You need to kill so manyof the other side that they don't want to fight anymore. Do people realize that for almost the entire time our troops have been over there, that their rules of engagement have forbid them to shoot unless fired on??? In other words they get first shot, if they don't kill you you can kill them. Are you effing kidding me????? We should have done to Baghdad and levellled everything in our way and our boys would already be home now. Now if we leave it will be an annihilation on the scope of Pol Pot and we will once again be blamed. Damned if we do, damned if we don't

Thankfully the moderate Democrats in Congress will not follow through with such extreme partisanship. They realize that not only do the majority of Americans not want to see another impeachment fiasco, but that this line of attack will result in nothing more than a 'tit-for-tat' approach the next time a Dem takes the office. One witch hunt was bad enough, we do not need another.

chris, my best friend's son just returned from Iraq where he drove a Hum V looking for those road side bombs. I asked him about that "can't fire until fired on" and he said that was false. He said that the biggest problem was not enough armor and too many house to house searches that turned up nothing, but inevitably gets a lot of our guys killed. The enemy waits just inside the door with their weapon aimed at face height because they know our guys wear body armor. Not a nice way to get shot, don't you think.

Incidentally, Devin, just for the record, Clinton WAS impeached. Impeachment is the process not the result. He will go down in history as the first elected president to be impeached. As much as his allies try to frame it that it was all about a BJ in the Oval Office, it was not. He was impeached for committing perjury. Lying under oath to a jury and or judge. Perjury is a felony last time I checked. He is also the only sitting president convicted of a felony. He was disbarred for what he did, his right to practice law (he was an attorney, he passed the bar) was revoked. He knew he was perjuring himself. It wasn't about humping some chuibby intern. "It's the perjusry stupid" to paraphrase a popular Dem phrase from the senior Bush administration.

I'd like to see what you Repub's were saying when your party put this country on hold for 2 years trying to bring down Clinton. You don't get to play it both ways. If there ever was a president deserving of impeachment it's this one. Like I've said before, how many future Einstiens, Hawkings, or Van Goh's have to die before we wake up people. We can't just sit and wait, this guy has to be stopped.

Is that the best you can do, correct me on semantics. And no, Clinton was not convicted of anything my friend. You might want to be able to prove it when you mention facts chris.

"Thankfully the moderate Democrats in Congress will not follow through with such extreme partisanship."

No, it's the bleeding heart, ultra liberals who don't want to impeach, cowards. In case any of you are wondering, I have even less love for the extreme Left than I do the extreme Right.

I stand corrected. You are correct. He was NOT convicted, he pled out to a lesser charge. My bad.

My brother in law returned a little over a year ago and what you say is true. However, that situation is the exception rather than the rule. My BIL told me that most times they were on weapon cold patrol. Meaning safety on, fire only if attacked. In my honest opinion the best to end those roadside bombs would have been to send in a battalion of tanks to the nearest village and flatten it to the ground. Doing that a few times would have made villagers much less likely to give these cowards a base to operate out of. It also would have encouraged locals to help root them out. Brutal but effective. Like I said war is brutal, unfortunately the more brutally fought usually the quicker and in the long run less people killed in both sides ultimately. Seems counter-intuitive but it is true

No he wasn't chris, he was not even charged. mmmm makes you wonder?

Please there is no shortage of Dems who would love to start impeachment proceedings against Bush. The reason they don't has nothing to do with some patriotic higher, noble consideration for the country. These are preofessional politicians remember, to whom no slight or insult is EVER forgotten. They haven't becuase in order to do so you need this thing called "CAUSE". That doesn't include innuendo or interpretations of policy. You need EVIDENCE of a crime. As much as you hate to believe it there is no crime or evidence of one. What you have here is partisan politics and spin run amok. Please understand I am no big fan of GW. But I truly don't understand how it is that the very same people who call him as stupid as a bag of dirt, also credit him with being a machiavellian manipulator on a world stage.....which is it? Or perhaps Bipolar?

A quick aside....Now why was it that the military were inadequately equipped?????

Hmmmm good question.......How did the military so powerful and superbly trained and equipped in Desert Storm fall into such disrepair in the 9+ years in between?? Who was the Commander in Chief during that time? Who slashed military budgets like a lawn mower on a golf course, in order to make his budget numbers look nice???

Oh that's right!! NOW I remember Bill (I did not have sex with that woman and my all time favorite "that depends on what your defintion of is is..") Clinton.....Now you have the balls to blame Bush for that too? Shameless

"[Clinton] will go down in history as the first elected president to be impeached." Andrew Johnson was elected, but as Vice President. The major purpose for that office is to stand ready to serve as President should the worst happen. It did.

Does anyone remember the Nixon administration? The current scandal-after-revealed scandal haunting this administration brings back chilling memories to me. Once again, a (Republican) president seems to be trying to build an Imperial Presidency. Bush has even used the tactic of saying that those trying to find out the truth about his underlings' actions were going to somehow demean the office of the presidency by doing so. Huh?

However, I don't think we'll actually impeach Bush, no matter how much he deserves it. The ENTIRELY politically-motivated impeachment of Clinton has left a bad taste in the nation's mouth.

You don't impeach a president for not obeying you; you impeach a president for not obeying the law!

"We should have done to Baghdad and levellled everything in our way and our boys would already be home now."

Wow. And who would be in Iraq now? And were would the millions of innocent people be?

Who in the Republican party, other than Sam Johnson, agrees with you and is willing to say it publicly? Have you considered how things might be today if Bush would have finished the job in Afghanistan instead of pulling them away from Tora Bora and sending them to Iraq?

The Republicans are a bunch of hypocrites. Newt Gingrich was cheating on his wife while he was trying to impeach then President Bill Clinton.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it is the Republican's crying 'foul'.

Who's playing partisan politics now?

Scandal after scandal? Tempest in a tea pot after tempest in a tea pot.....What bothers you is thta you can't decide whether to call Bush a moron or some oncredibly devious, sly underhanded version of ummmmmm who? I'm guessing most of you libs have hitler or maybe some other dictator on the tip of your tongue....It drives you nuts that despite all your caterwauling the economy has boomed during his tenure, despite tax cuts Dems predicted would tumble us into a recession. Tax revenues are UP after his tax cut, counter to what the lefy predicted. Under Bush's tax cuts the top 10% wealthiest people in the country now pay 86% of the total tax revenue, up from 80% under Clinton, and worst of all though you will never admit it. We haven't been attacked again since the war began. All of which were the dire predictions of the dems about repub domestic and foreign policy.......Reality bites doesn't it?

Atrocities??? PK let's talk atrocities. You mean like a flying a couple planes full of innocent people into two office toweres with thousands more in them? You mean those atrocities? You mean like driving a car full of explosives into an open air market and blowing it up killing indiscriminately everyone within 100 yards??? That kind of atrocity? Or how about blowing up a train full of commuters on a subway?.. How about taking a reporter hostage and slitting his throat and decapitating him and then putting it on the internet so his family can see what barbaric animals you are...Stuff like that Mike?? Having a woman laden with explosives walk into a wedding reseption full of revelers and blowing herslef up.....that the kind of stuff you mean???? Nah, I bet you wanna trash OUR military right Mike?? call em murderers? stuff like that??

For you being you, and taking the time to publish this piece you get a lovely ten. Yea For you!!!! :)

Silly me Mike I expected you to stay on topic, But of course when a topic you can't defend comes up let's talk 20 years ago.... Not really sure what Central America has to do with Iraq MAN, but just so we're clear here you are taking the side of socialist dictator who the contra were fighting.......Just so eveyone knows where you stand. Sorry Mike if you want to try to make a moral equivalency between animals who drive planes into buildings and fighters in a guerilla war contained within it's own borders this should prove an interesting response. You are so transparent as to be a joke. You are an America hater. My step son and nephew served in the military to give nitwit s**tbags like you the freedom to spew your self hating drivel and you don't even have the common courtesy to respect them for it. Worse you attempt to lower them to the level of the barbarians our soldiers fight...You are a coward and an Ungrateful fool, but the men and women serving fight for your right to idiocy

I dodge???? You ignore my questions change the subject and don't even have the spine to defend your own idiotic argument...The best you can do is name call............ A eruly fitting response from a one trick pony........ You're a disgrace... Even the other libs won't defend you now......Comrade mike.........

Why are wingnuts such ignorant fools? They just insist upon clinging to utter nonsense, don't they? Thank you very much, Fox Noise, for creating 1/2 a nation of idiots.

Stupid shitheels. Look at what your incompetent GOP misgovernance has brought this once-proud nation. Stop defending this bunch of criminals and their war against the middle class. Stop swallowing every propoganda line that your rightwing media rams down your throats. Stop being so Goddamned lazy, and start researching some of this stuff on your own. F'cking idiots.

Mike, this will be the end of this for me. I dare say there is not man or woman serving who's stomach would not be turned by someone like you claiming to be their brother. My stepson spent 9 mos. in Kuwait, my brother inlaw spent 2+ years in and around Fallujah. Any more questions a**hole?

If you don't think the people responsible for the massacre of 9/11 and those who either actively or passively supposrt them are barbarians, yet in a post shortly prior tho that have the unmitigated gall to accuse our soldiers of atrocities then you are truly among the lowest of the low. My family has for 5 generations served, I will not have my patriotism questioned by the likes of a self-hating, flag burning, Anti-USA maggot like yourself. Now you are claiming to have some time of first hand experience in Central America? I doubt it. The only way you were involved down there is if you were Daniel Ortegas butt boy.

As far as what Iraq had to with 9/11, let me explain this as slowly and simply as I can. I know slow witted Ultra left wingers like you have a hard time understanding big words and compound sentences. Here goes.


The WTC massacre (that means killing a lot of innocent people at once Mikey) was a loud and clear wake up call (apparently you hit the snooze button).
The Islamic extremists are at war with us and all non-muslims.
From the perspective of Islam this war has been ongoing for over 1000 years, as far as they are concerned the Crusades of the Middle Ages has not ended, it just quieted down for awhile. They, historically speaking, have always taken a long term view of this war. The ultimate goal of Islam is a MONOTHEISTIC (look it up) world, controlled by religious zealots (that means fanatic)

Now here is where you have to try to connect the dots.... I'll go slow so you can take notes.
This is not a war with a country or that is contained within geographic boundaries (those are those squiggly lines on the map Mike). But the major focal point is the Middle East. Therefore, (so that means) we require a strategic base of military operations that is tactically nearby or within this "hot zone"

The reason we did not attack Saudi is simple, even the dimwitted like you Mike should grasp this. First they are one of the few Arab governments that we have a decent diplomatic relationship with. They also are one of the only countries in the area that has historically (in the past) allowed use of their airfield. The Saudi royal family is great shakes but they are first and foremost businessmen who understand, to some degree, that attacking the the biggest guy on the block and antagonizing him, while he remains one of your best customers is not smart business. SO I guess if you want to you could say that this war certainly has a component within it about oil. Oil availability is no unimportant thing. It is and will remain, unfortunately the achilles heel of this country for a while yet. How did like last summer when gas went up near 4$ a gallon? Think that was high? If the Middle East decided to stop selling oil to us within 12-18 months hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans would die. Our economy would collapse and the Great Depression would look like mild hangover from a big friday night out. So when your simpleton friends start the "No Blood For Oil!!" chant, they say it as if it is something not worth fighting for. In fact it the ONE thing that would guarantee and swift and devastating military response. If you want to argue that we should not be petro-junkies, I have no argument. But ubtil we wean ourselves off that petroleum based energy, it IS necessary to protect it's continued flow.
The other reason we didn't go after Saudi, even though most of the hijackers were from there, is the same reason we didn't attack London after they caught Richard Reid the the wannabe shoe bomber. Reid was from London, but we were pretty sure Buckingham Palace wasn't behind it. Just like the Saud royal family was not involved with the camel f***er bastards who wiped out over 3000 Americans one morning.

I know in your slow moving, thick headed mind, we (proud Americans, not you Mike) are worse than than these cockroaches. It's ok Mike. The people who will stand up and defend this country, not only through military service, but through other means as well, we don't ask you to join us, (truth be told people like you make us nauseous and are an embarassment to us) we don't even ask that you support us, but get the f**k outta the way. There are two sides to the debate. You can frame it anyway you want, and try to spin it and waffle which something spineless slugs like you are masters at. In the end it comes down to this.


Do you support this country, culture, civilization and genral way of life?


or option 2

You support islamic terrorism and the deliberate targeting and slaughtering of innocents?


Which side are you on Mike??? Put up or shut up. Answer the question and don't dodge.

Booming economy? WHAT!!!! Chris, you've stooped to the lowest denomination possible. Income vs. cost of living is at an all time low. The middle class is disappearing, and jobs are being shipped over seas by the bushel. Like Michael, I too served my country in the Army. Luckily I never saw action because I turned 18 1 year after Viet Nam. And it makes me sick when Neo Cons tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. This president and his administration is the most foul, corrupt I've ever seen in my nearly fifty years on this planet. And it is imperative we stop him before he does anymore harm.

Devin saying it doesn't make it so. Unemployment is down, inflation is low, Tax revenues are up despite the predictions of doom and gloom the left forecast as a result of the tax cut (which undoubtedly you opposed Devin), The top 10% of taxpayers last year payed 86% of the total taxes collected by the government (up from 80% when CLinton was in) interest rates are still at or near historical lows (Maybe you liked it better when Carter was president and the prime was at 20.5%??), the stock market is experiencing some volatility currently but still is hitting record highs every other week. These are not opinions Devin. These are facts. At least be intellectually honest enough to admit it. Your personal distaste for Bush has so clouded your lense that you are incapable of acknowledging indisputable truths. Do you dispute any of these things? If so I suggest perusing a Brookings Institute Report or two, maybe that will help. Wait, let me guess, The Brookings institute is a pawn of the right wing?? Maybe you can find a few back issues of Pravda somewhere, now there was a progressive government there....

Have no fear Devin, your trusty Dem friends in Congress have ridden in just in time to save us from the dire straits you see us in.

They have submitted a new tax bill!!!!! Yay!!! that will help. I gotta hand to these leeches those. These are not your run of the mill bottom feeders, no sir....The highest tax increase in the history of the WORLD!!!

$900 BILLION tax increase over the next 5 years. How democratic, shut up, go to work, give us your money and we'll decide it how it is spent...... Yep that's the party for the people....... Somewhere JFK is rolling over in his grave, muttering, "You SOB Teddy what have you done to our party, you drunken fat slob???"

Does anyone for one second doubt that if this increase somehow manages to go through that before 2010 there will be another one because of "revenue shortfalls"??

Of course we need this money to pay for the free medical care we give to the 20 million illegal aliens so many lefties want to adopt and give amnesty to. As a matter of fact why not just round it up to and even Trillion?? what's $100 billion between friends???

You guys are almost there. If this goes through anyone making over 75,000 a year will be giving Nancy Pelosi and her band of merry thieves almost exactly half of what you earn each and every day. They will then gladly redistribute that money to Pedro, juanita, Miguel, Jose and all their little ones, so they can secure their votes for the next term................and around it goes

I really don't know why I bother.... A few more years and I'm buying the boat and heading south....

chris, You say something... it's fact. I say something... and it's fantasy. Gees, how arrogant can you get. What I'd like to know chris is this. How can you defend THE most unpopular president in the history of this nation. What he has done to our young people in the military as far as I'm concerned is murder.

Oh, by the way, I've reported your vulgar comments to the management here at Gather. I don't mind debating with folks on the Right. But your kind of filth is not welcome and will not be tolerated...sir!!!!!

"GD it Don, voting is for writing ability, NOT so you can show your contempt for my politics."

One look at any conservatives ratings will tell you that liberals on Gather actually do vote on politics. Regardless, ratings are anonymous, so not sure why you are so sure it's me.

WTF did Iraq have to do with 9/11, and specifically what has your precious little cheerleader boyfriend in the white house done to make this nation one iota safer or more secure since 9/11? Hmmmm?

You see why you delusional wingnuts get mocked so much, and why nobody takes you seriously these days? You live in little bubbles of fantasy and myth.

Btw, the housing market is on the verge of collapse, manufacturing in this country is a thing of the past, the wealth gap between the upper 1% and the lower 99% has never been larger, the nation is nearly $3 TRILLION further in debt than it was in 2000, Osama is still on the loose, the anthrax killer is nowhere to be found, our "great pals" in Saudi Arabia not only continue to fund terrorists, but are also funding Sunni insurgents who're killing Americans, our borders are still open, our ports are still open, our nuke plants and refineries are still unprotected, our military is decimated and all but broken apart, we're mired in an endless and tragic catastrophe in Iraq that will likely cost us $2 trillion before it's finally over, the white house has decided that violating federal and international laws is their duty and obligation, the justice dept. has now become a political organization assembled with the sole purpose of ignoring fraud and corruption by republicans and chasing after democrats who've done nothing wrong, we now have an entire segment of the population that thinks that treason and obstruction of justice are A-Ok, just as long as it's being committed by republicans, and oh, btw, there WAS rampant GOP voter fraud in 2000 and 2004, and Al Gore actually won in FL in 2000. (It was in all the papers, but the "liberal media" somehow chose to bury the facts in the 18th paragraph of the article).

Clark - if everything you say is true, then pretty soon you should be my slave monkey.

Don, you were the first of my nemesis to chime in and you've done it before. It's cheap and it's petty, I don't care what side your on. I've given 10's to many of my colleages on the other side of the isle becuase they wrote outstanding, coherent articles. Whether or not I agree with their politics is irrelevant. A lot of us correspondents are in the early stages of our writing careers and cheap shots hurt us in more ways than you can imagine. Please, for the sake of correspondents on both sides, vote appropriately.

The Gonzales Scandal?!?!?!? What scandal? Bush fired the 8 attorneys at the start of his second term two years ago. According to Hillary, there is no difference in the Clinton firings and the Bush firings. Clinton fired all 93 because he was mad at ONE!!!! Bush fired 8 because of their lack of productivity and mismanagement. What scandal arises from firing someone for legit reasons and firing everyone to avenge a grudge.

The theft of the WH??? Are you kidding me???? Where are your stats from the liberal newspapers sanctioned recounts that showed Bush clearly won Florida in 2000? You fail to properly research your articles prior to printing. You claim to be a political correspondent for Gather and yet you post un-researched and unqualified articles. Amazing. When an independent individual makes these startling and fabricated claims, you can kind of write it off as hooey. When someone claiming to be a political correspondent, you expect factual reporting based on substance. You articulate well. Sadly though, so many of these koolaide sheeple are letting you off without challenging your articles. The beauty of Gather is we get to offer rebuttals and challenges to the correspondent and allow them the opportunity to clarify or correct. I do it all the time. Most of my articles receive plenty of comments but you will see several of mine clarifying a statement or propping up with facts. Where are your facts that Bush stole Florida? The US Supreme Court disagrees with you, the host of leftist newspapers and other media disagrees with you. The recounts that Bush actually forced also disagree with you. The difference is Gore wanted a selective recount and Bush wanted a thorough recount of ALL of Florida. These are facts that are supported by sources that usually slant to the left and now they have the dubious honor of confirming Bush the winner of Florida.

Devie - your facts are mostly wrong, and the title is childish. I rated appropriately.

I recently retired after 22 years of serving my country for real americans not anti-americans, I can tell you right now, the terrorists love people like Devin Barber.

Well said Devin! As you can tell a few folks on here have been nipping on the Republican "kool-aid." It's a bitter drink to swallow... especially when the guy they are currently pushing, "rudy" for President, is a master adulterer, having taken his mistress to the Governors mansion with his wife and children present. Heck his own son refuses to have anything to do with him...why should anyone else in this country even consider voting for him? First you repukes want to impeach Clinton for a lying about a 'bj," then you turn around and run a sleeze like 'rudy' for the highest office in the land...talk about two faced! It seems to be ok for the repukes to cheat on their wives....but when a democrat does it...you call for impeachment. Now when the talk turns to impeachment of a lying dubya for crimes that involve death...you really sound off. Democrat, Republican or Independent...you should be outraged at the chaos in Iraq...case in point is the picture of the little Iraqi girl's picture in the New York Times, that shows a little girl with hundreds of stitches all over her bruised and battered face...with the tag line, Iraqi girl Back At Market after Being Injured By Roadside Bomb Last Week. That should speak volumes to all the world as to what GWB's invasion has resulted in! Is that little girl safer or better off today than she was before he tore her country apart?