"Impeach Bush & Cheney" Says George McGovern

How interesting

I think, Carla, that Mr. McGovern has not said anything that hasn't already been said over and over again. I also think that the preacher who told me that the devil was in charge of the governments of the world was not far off.

We are about to attack a third sovereign nation, Iran, unless God interferes. I am so disappointed in this nation that I would emigrate if I could.

I read that article. I agree. But it's too late now. He'd be out of office by the time the dust settled. I think war crimes after he is out of office is a better approach. It was good enough for Slobodan Milosevic.

I would attend a public hanging.

McGovern to my knowledge has not worked with others who have been laying out the legal case for impeachment and educating people for some years. I may be wrong and in fact he has been active. It doesn't seem so from this personal statement. He doesn't acknowledge the efforts of others and he doesn't suggest that people keep on putting pressure on Congress to act.

Carla, I sincerely hope we do not attack Iran, I'm praying for a peace that I know will not come until Christ returns. I think at this late date impeachment is not prudent, I certainly am not qulified to judge our President and Commander in Chief or our Vice President, I dare not, lest I be judged. I fear that the United States of America as I knew it has disappeared and may not recover.

Okay, Cheryl, I have to answer. This is not about judging in the sense you are referring to. If an employee does a bad job, they ought to get fired. You don't think your employer is out of line for firing people who don't fulfill their job description, do you? The president and vice president are not some mythical beings who came by their power through the divine right of kings. They are employees of the American people, and their job description included "to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America." This they have clearly not done.

God will judge them if God judges. This is not about God. It is about the fact that governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. Don't give the government your consent to abuse you!

Stepping down of the soapbox. . .

Pax

McGovern is a "Johnny come lately". He is not very brave in joining the band wagon at this late date.. If he said this 4 years ago it might be considered courageous. This is all political posturing w/ no real substance.

.If by some miracle an attempt is made to impeach Bush it would backfire. It will re-energize a now demoralized Republican base and the Democrats will lose in the next upcoming election. Also, the suggestion of War crimes is wishful thinking.

It's not too late to demand accountability. The entire process, including getting them the hell out of our white house, could be done in a matter of a couple of weeks. The evidence against them is overwhelming, and completely indefensible. The impeachment could be as simple as getting the articles out of the house judiciary committee, having a floor debate to discuss the crimes committed, and voting to pass it along to the senate, where a floor vote could be taken almost immediately.

It's not likely to happen, however, not because it isn't justified and necessary, but because the democrats falsely believe exactly what Mickey here falsely believes. They believe that the rightwing media would eviscerate them, and the republicans in congress would refuse to hold the administration accountable, and the democrats would walk away mortally wounded by the attempt.

The other thing that holds them back is that they're totally happy with leaving a president with a 25-30% approval rating in office for the duration, so there's no need to refresh people's minds in November as to just how bad it is. If they were removed, the public scorn would shift to the Pelosi white house, and the GOP's chances in November would skyrocket from "Not a chance in hell" to "Slim to none."

Bottom line, regardless of the fact that congress doesn't have a choice in the matter...they're oath of office REQUIRES them to impeach corrupt, criminal public officials, the pussycrats are allowing politics to trump their sworn oath and constitutional obligation.

If we could somehow be assured that justice would follow these filthy rat bastards once they're finally exorcised from our white house, that would be one thing, but based upon what we've seen, historically, from these democrats, I think we can forget about that as well. I've resigned myself to the fact that the bush crime family is simply above all law, and will never, ever be held to account for anything, no matter how egregious or how heavily documented.



"Also, the suggestion of War crimes is wishful thinking. "

Torture is illegal.
Wars of aggression against soverign nations are illegal

Those are both war crimes.

In a strange way, I get what Cheryl may be thinking/feeling. We as a nation have become so rapped around the axle about BushCo, and yet I never really hear a missing part of the argument.

Don't get me wrong, McGovern is on the mark about them being the worse we've seen, but when it comes to accountability we also need to look at ourselves. Gore may have won the popular vote in 2000, but Bush won solidly in 2004. You may not have voted for them, but the majority of Americans who voted did.

Our best revenge would be to truly inform ourselves of the choices before us now, speak to those who haven't yet awoken from this nightmare (could there still be any?), avoid the emotion that I often read (even here on Gather) and speak knowledgeably about the issues & candidates.

Then VOTE...and show concern that those around us do as well. The democracy we see being trampled today didn't start with BushCo. What percentage of the voting public actually went to the polls in 2000? I'm pretty sure it was less than 50%. That too is trampling democracy.

If I were a fotune teller, I would say impeachment is not in the President's future. It is far too easy for the current legislature to wrap their pork in the horrendous number of pages being submitted for the current budget needs, because of the war.

If I were a fortune teller, I would say once the current administration has left office, and a real investigation of the atrocities that have been and are still being commited in our name, under our Constitution, has been completed there will be more than enough evidence to convict many of our leaders:, for much more than 'war crimes'.

If the Republicans regain a majority the President and the Vice President could be spared. Thier Party will most certainly try to sweep everything clean. Haven't they already destroyed tapes and e-mail?

Matt, you're right. We as a nation went into a cloud of apathy for awhile. Maybe we were too busy watching Entertainment Tonight. But I do believe that people are awke now and aware. Besides, it is starting to affect people in the wallets and that's when it gets attention.

Sally, you may be right about this. I do think the truth will come out and books will be written. And I think that Bush will go down in history as one of the worst, if not the worst, presidents that this country has had.