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by Layla Morgan Wilde
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July 13, 2006

My Icon was flagged as adult content.Huh? It's the Venus de Milo in Snow.

January 23, 2008 02:22 PM EST
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My new icon was flagged as adult content. Huh? Don't people go to museums anymore? It's the Venus de Milo in snow, people. That's all. How on earth is this offensive? Thoughts? I would love the person who flagged this come forward and explain their actions.

I've been an active member of Gather for a year and half. I've posted hundreds of my photos and this is the first time I've been flagged. This kind of fascist censorship is enough to make me consider leaving Gather.

However,I'm more sad than mad at the ignorance demonstrated. I was an art history major in college.  I love classical art forms like the ancient Greek and Roman sculptures. Yes, they are naked. So what? My snow sculpture is far more demure by comparison. Do you agree?The image

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Comments: 130

Priscilla (wishing I was in Costa Rica) ~. Jan 23, 2008, 2:24pm EST
I think she is beautiful, and looks great as a snow sculpture~
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Cheryl W. Jan 23, 2008, 2:26pm EST
Wow, that's incredible. I can't imagine why someone would flag SNOW. I thought it was great when I saw it yesterday. I don't know if anyone might have said something inappropriate in one of the comments, but sometimes that can cause it to get flagged. But I can't even imagine what anyone could say inappropriate about the picture.
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charles thiesen - gather's only god, proud to be from gay-supporting Massachusetts Jan 23, 2008, 2:26pm EST
Have you contacted the forces that be at Gather? They should discipline the flagger.
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nancy h. Jan 23, 2008, 2:28pm EST
Maybe it was John Ashcroft.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:28pm EST
thanks Priscilla!
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Joe T. Jan 23, 2008, 2:29pm EST
What a beautiful picture. It is terrific as snow creatures are difficult to photograph.

As to the flagger - Gather will not do anything about it - You'll just have to suck it up and accept that there are plenty of ignorant people in the world.
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Felicia R. Jan 23, 2008, 2:29pm EST
Its probably due to the reason you have no icon now is you cant have adult material as your icon. But no clue why it was flagged... sorry.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:29pm EST
Cheryl, I don't think there was anything objectionable in the comments but hey, I could be wrong .
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Robyn F. Jan 23, 2008, 2:29pm EST
that is crazy, one time i posted a 9/11 pic of the beautiful towers, and someone flagged that......
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:30pm EST
Charles, ya think? Should I bother?
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:30pm EST
Nancy, LOL!
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Renee (Pres of Baby James Foundation) ~. Jan 23, 2008, 2:31pm EST
I don't have a clue on this one seems to be a lot of flagging going on.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:31pm EST
Joe, thanks, it was my first attempt creating and photographing this kind of sculpture.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:32pm EST
Felicia, I guess I'll have to change my icon :-(
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Madame Donna C. Jan 23, 2008, 2:33pm EST
Since when does a snow person fall under the category of "adult content"? Your statue is a work of art, and mostly shadow and light on my monitor. I'm sorry this happened to you, Layla.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:33pm EST
Robyn, that's touchy subject.
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Heather W. Jan 23, 2008, 2:34pm EST
Boobies make me go blind. . .snow blind :D i'm in a goofy mood
I guess the puritans on here were very offended.
We can censor nude art but god forbid you call someone out on posting copy righted material *pulls out hair*
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:34pm EST
Renee, I've been away a lot and not aware of all the flagging.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:35pm EST
Heather, I agree. Posting copyright work drives me crazy too!
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Aniko   Jan 23, 2008, 2:40pm EST
They will probably lift the flag in a day or two. My article about a cultural event was flagged as spam on Saturday, and they lifted it on Monday. Maybe they're quicker during the week.
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Heather W. Jan 23, 2008, 2:41pm EST
Yeah Aniko is right, when my work was flagged for 'harassment' and 'spam' and 'other' the flags were removed within 48hrs but that was the weekend so maybe yours will be lifted sooner
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Nana to Seven Cutiepies Jan 23, 2008, 2:42pm EST
Unbelievable! I don't have an explanation, I guess someone doesn't appreciate fine art.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:42pm EST
Madame Donna, thanks. The intelligent comments and support like yours make up for it.
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Nippy Katz (not his real name) Patriotic Troll of Gather Freedom Jan 23, 2008, 2:44pm EST
Layla, I'm appalled. This is like John Ashcroft and the nudes in the Justice Dept building.

If this happened to some people I know, I'd be less surprised. You don't do any of the things that usually cause GatherPolitical™ problems.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:44pm EST
Aniko, it doesn't matter. The question is what shall I use for a new icon? My latest moody pic? My cats, Merlin and Coco or something new? Back to the drawing board...
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:45pm EST
Nana, thanks for your support!
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:46pm EST
Nippy, I missed that flagging. Sounds absurd. Yeah, lil ole me the rabble rouser ;-)
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 2:53pm EST
Lyndon, LOL!
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Susan H. Jan 23, 2008, 2:57pm EST
no clue- I don't find it offensive. :-( Shame.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jan 23, 2008, 3:01pm EST
OOOOOkay. maybe we should just photoshop on a nice set of fig leaves. Come on People! Queen Victoria is long gone. Let's let her legacy die. Holy cow. Just when I think I've seen it all. On the up side, layla, you get points out of it. lol
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:02pm EST
thanks Susan!
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jan 23, 2008, 3:03pm EST
Lyndon- you have it. It was the Frigid Flagger! Anyone with pictures of nude statues is at risk. I do NOT understand.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:04pm EST
One good thing to come out of this.... my NEW icon. I found an old pic of me with some other snow creations. It's so wonderfully campy but will someone flag this too?
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Sensational Sadie Sexy Senior Sitizen Jan 23, 2008, 3:04pm EST
Layla, I think it is a lovely sculpture. I guess some people just don't appreciate art.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:05pm EST
Thanks Janice, points would nice...
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:06pm EST
Audrey AKA SSSS, so true.
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Juan J Martinez Jan 23, 2008, 3:06pm EST
I have noticed the rise in intollerant and close minded indviduals here on Gather.
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Janice (What Would Buffy Do?)B. Jan 23, 2008, 3:09pm EST
Points, points, points.

Okay, I have to go do some real writing now. I am sorry seriously. That's an awesome icon. I love the icon as it says so much about a person. I look at that and think hey, who'd a thunk it. You can make statues out of snow. How can anything to do with snow ever be sexual or inappropriate anyway? It's snow! Okay, don't answer that. I don't want to know. lol
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Beth H. Jan 23, 2008, 3:09pm EST
Layla, it's a beautiful image. Here's hoping you get it back as your icon ASAP.
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charles thiesen - gather's only god, proud to be from gay-supporting Massachusetts Jan 23, 2008, 3:14pm EST
Layla, I think you ought to complain to gather, otherwise they might not know to lift the flag.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:17pm EST
Juan, where are they all coming from???
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:19pm EST
Beth, that's sweet of you. I don't care about the icon since I change mine frequently. What bothers me is the squashing of creative freedom.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:19pm EST
Charles, OK, I will.
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Rob Appell Jan 23, 2008, 3:25pm EST
There are enough a-holes in the world and you might know some of them decided to bother Gather. You can't even tell if Venus is nude or not being made out of snow for cripes sake. I don't even see any snow nipples! Some people really need to get a new brain.
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JoAnne D. Jan 23, 2008, 3:31pm EST
Did you ask the Guides? Maybe they know why, just a thought.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:34pm EST
Rob, LOL snow nipples but new one has carrot nipples ;-)
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kitchenMage (blog.kitchenMage.com) Jan 23, 2008, 3:35pm EST
sort-of-breasts! sort-of-breasts! uh, snow-lumps...!
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:35pm EST
Joanne, I just e-mailed Gather support to lodge my formal complaint.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:39pm EST
KM, LOL snow lumps indeed.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:40pm EST
Lyla, maybe ignorance, spite, who knows... but no matter I feel better now.
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Sassy Cat Jan 23, 2008, 3:46pm EST
I noticed last night it was flagged. That is so assinine (yes, I spelled that wrong on purpose!). I think it's gorgeous.

I've got a picture of one of my cats peeing in the snow. What do ya think? Should I go for it? I've never been flagged before.
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nancy h. Jan 23, 2008, 3:49pm EST
Layla, I see you have a new icon with two snow sculptures -- but wait!! What's this??? a snowMAN, who is completely nude except for a hat and a scarf???? Or is it a hermaphrodite??? [fainting dead away]
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:52pm EST
Patricia, thanks! I wasn't aware it got flagged last night. I thought this morning.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 3:54pm EST
Nancy, here's some smelling salts. Yes, I think this new icon is far more controversial than the one flagged ;-)
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Nichole - oh so broke - K .. Jan 23, 2008, 3:56pm EST
People are friggin' nuts around here. Wasn't long ago I was a spam! DOH!
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Dorine H. Jan 23, 2008, 3:56pm EST
Oh fer cryin' out loud!

It's a beautiful subject, executed outstandingly well in snow and well photographed. What's not to like! And I think it's great as an icon for you!

Don't let the moronic flagger win. As soon as the flag is lifted (and it will be, I'm sure), put it right back as your icon!
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Lori F. Jan 23, 2008, 3:57pm EST
Dont you know its a sin to be naked or to even think of being naked or to imply that someone or something else may be or thinking of being naked.

It is also a sin to have sex....especially if you are married...and god forbid you should admit you either like having sex and/or being naked. Or thinking about being naked or having naked or semi dressed statues.
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☃ Aunt Shanny Jan 23, 2008, 3:58pm EST
Wow, I thought I had seen some ridiculous flagging, but I think this one takes the cake.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 4:06pm EST
Nichole, you were spam???
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 4:06pm EST
Dorine, thank-you!!! for your kind words.
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Lori F. Jan 23, 2008, 4:07pm EST
I was flagged as "Other" once....it kind of hurt my feelings.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 4:07pm EST
Shannon, good choice of words. It does boggle the mind doesn't it?
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sharon SugarMomma is a wise woman, Jan 23, 2008, 4:11pm EST
I think she's lovely.

Idiots, show a little booby and you're flagged.

Everyone has them, some guys are bigger than mine and it's legal for them to go shirtless - go figure.

You repost as soon as it's cleared.
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Jennifer F. Jan 23, 2008, 4:11pm EST
Crazy! It's gorgeous! Womanly curves are for everyone to enjoy - even snow babies.
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Kris M. Jan 23, 2008, 4:13pm EST
I am going to send an email to Gather in complaint. It's a shame that the world is so full-to-overflowing with stupid people who are Scared Of Breasts, and more of a shame that the rest of us have to share the world, let alone Gather, with their substandard company. Your sculpture is beautiful and should be your icon if you want it to. It might have been different if you'd put cherries on its nipples or something, but it's a work of art and deserves better than to be restricted by some moron around here.
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Corinne M. Jan 23, 2008, 4:15pm EST
I think it's great! (Your snow Venus, that is) Seriously, it's crazy that someone actually flagged that.
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Kris M. Jan 23, 2008, 4:18pm EST
It's disgraceful that anyone would flag this image, and the flag should be removed immediately. The person who flagged this should be reprimanded, although it seems no one ever is. This community should be honored to have an artist of Layla's talent among us. The wishes of some sad, small-minded member among us should not be tolerated in this case. Please do the right thing.

Layla, this is the email I sent to feedback@gather.com and support@gather.com. I would encourage everyone else here to do the same and let management know they've got a responsibility to their members.
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Jo C. Jan 23, 2008, 4:54pm EST
True incident:
When I was in high school, some insane librarian pasted fig leaves, made of paper, over all the naughty bits (her words) in the art books. She actually mutilated the artwork. At the same time, I had an enlightened art teacher who'd recommended I take part in a weekly art class where the models were nude. A combination of repression in one area, an open spirit in another. I don't think the two EVER talked to one another.
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 4:58pm EST
Patricia, go for it. ;-)
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 5:00pm EST
Sharon, you're wise woman!
Hi Jennifer, right on! nice to see you!
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 5:01pm EST
Kris, thanks for going to bat for me...now don't give me any ideas about cherries ;-)
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 5:03pm EST
Corinne, thanks
LOL Lori,
J. truth really is stranger than fiction.
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kitchenMage (blog.kitchenMage.com) Jan 23, 2008, 6:09pm EST
On second thought, I think you should flag the new icon. It shows an inter-species relationship, which is clearly what is intended by the gayz wanting to marry! Fred Phelps will be over...right after they finish picketing Heath Ledger's funeral (and yes, they are)
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Sarah (can't believe the year's over) G. Jan 23, 2008, 6:13pm EST
I am glad that you are bringing this up. I had a painting flagged, it was a nude also. I am not sure what nudity or the human figure has to do with adult content, but who knows what art is anyway ??
Keep up the fight!
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G. M. Lupo Jan 23, 2008, 6:52pm EST
Layla, this is what twenty years of far-right rule will get you. When the ever-moral John Ashcroft had whichever statue that was covered, he set the tone for everyone to complain about things they don't understand.

Please don't leave. It annoys these idiots more if you stick around and ignore them.
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G. M. Lupo Jan 23, 2008, 6:54pm EST
...right after they finish picketing Heath Ledger's funeral...

These idiots are proof that there is no god. If there was they'd have been smited long ago.
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Dannielle S. Jan 23, 2008, 7:08pm EST
Yeesh! Layla, it's just more nonsense -- my immediate reaction was "John Ashcroft mentality" and I see others in the comment thread had the same reaction.

You might appreciate hearing Minnie Lou
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Aniko   Jan 23, 2008, 7:20pm EST
The flag is gone--in record time.
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Sue * Jan 23, 2008, 7:23pm EST
You've got to be kidding! Just when I think I've seen it all. I think it is beautiful!
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Corinna Parr Jan 23, 2008, 7:51pm EST
Having one image flagged by a viewer out of hundreds doesn't really strike me as "fascist censorship", especially when Gather reviews flagged articles and removes the flags a lot of the time. I do agree that it was overzealous of someone to flag that particular image, but I also think it's a little much to threaten to leave over, again, one flagged image out of hundreds you've posted that have gone unflagged.
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nancy h. Jan 23, 2008, 8:13pm EST
About John Ashcroft's squeamishness -- the Minneapolis Star Tribune cartoonist drew a picture of Ashcroft standing next to the statue in question, and the caption was Name the biggest boob in this picture.

I sure wish I'd drawn that first. ;-)
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♥kyra D. Jan 23, 2008, 10:22pm EST
Some people are just.... DORKS!! ;o)
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♥kyra D. Jan 23, 2008, 10:30pm EST
Oh and BTW.... I love your snowART. Beautiful!
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K D. Jan 23, 2008, 10:38pm EST
That's a pretty picture. Did you make that sculpture yourself?
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Layla Morgan Wilde Jan 23, 2008, 11:10pm EST
Thanks everyone. Gather has unflagged my photo.
Yes, I did make the sculpture myself.
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♥kyra D. Jan 24, 2008, 12:07am EST
I just featured this in: *My Yard & Garden* Thanks for posting it there. :o)
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Altair driving around the neighborhood and waving Jan 24, 2008, 12:11am EST
...could have been worse...you could have sculpted a companion...say "David"
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Kathleen ♥ L. Jan 24, 2008, 12:26am EST
Beautifully done Layla! Snow is not an easy medium to work in at the best of times and being able to craft something as artistic as your Snow Venus is a real gift!
Ivy and John O. had me spewing water all over the place with laughter...
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Terry A. Jan 24, 2008, 6:30am EST
it is Frosty the snowman's girlfriend and she got flagged - hot
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Linda G. Jan 24, 2008, 8:25am EST
whoaa, I thought it was a great snow sculpture. Very creative. I have been know to over react to sexist comments on Gather, but I find you snow woman artistic and beautiful
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Doyle ( IS SOOO 7 for 7 soon... ) C. Jan 24, 2008, 9:40am EST
Hmmmm . . . a rip-off of that porn king Michaelangelo's work, eh? LoL! Imagine the SHOCK of someone like this entering the Sistine Chapel! They probably have a clean-up crew for people with exploding heads who enter unknowingly and just short-fricken-circuit! Another John Ashcroft wannabe!

At least . . . in SOME places . . . (like here) . . . Sanity prevails.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Stacey "Yeah, I Said It" H. Jan 24, 2008, 9:50am EST
The only word that comes to mind is...wow! I hate to even ask, what's next, but there'll be something to top this eventually.

Personally, it's a great statue and to have made it out of snow...look at you, girl, with your crafty, artistic self! My snowpeople tend to resemble half-melted, white popscicles!
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Angie O. Jan 24, 2008, 10:49pm EST
Hmm, possibly they don't like art errrr snow? lol strange
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necee t. Jan 25, 2008, 1:49pm EST
what a shame... i think it is beautiful.... too bad it got flagged.....
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Kathryn E. Jan 25, 2008, 7:05pm EST
Oh my, Venus is as beautiful as ever. Aprodite is beautiful, whether she is snow or marble. I cannot understand why somebody would flag this. I can see that flag has been removed.
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Bonnie S. Jan 28, 2008, 8:55pm EST
That is so cool
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CC Miranda the artrat (or am i?) Jan 28, 2008, 10:44pm EST
what on earth could be indecent about that? i have half a mind to post the recent pic i took of her at the Met this past week and see if it gets flagged too!

how very victorian of gather to censor art.
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Audrey F. Jan 29, 2008, 12:59pm EST
I can't imagine what the person saw who flagged your Venus de Milo. It is a lovely sculpture. Some people just don't know art. And some people don't have anything better to do than elect themselves vigilante and go around flagging stuff. I hope you got things worked out with Gather.
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Jennifer N. Jan 30, 2008, 3:59pm EST
That's just laughable! The breasts are barely visible in snow. Sometimes I wonder about people, lol.
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Michele Scercy Feb 8, 2008, 4:35pm EST
I think your version is quite lovely indeed.