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by April H.
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Discuss "The Secret Life of Bees" - Join the Book Club, Tuesday 12/2 @ 9PM ET

December 01, 2008 01:54 PM EST
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Join me and the Gather Book Club, Tuesday, 12/2 from 9-9:30PM ET to discuss the final chapters of the NYT Bestseller The Secret Life of Bees .  Anyone can join. This Tuesday we'll meet to discuss chapters twelve through the end of the book.

The discussion takes place in the comment field below. I'll be your host and will include the discussion questions in the comment field throughout our chat.

You'll need to continually REFRESH your browser to see new comments appear during the live chat.

About the Book:
Set in South Carolina in 1964, The Secret Life of Bees is the moving tale of Lily Owens, a 14 year-old girl who is haunted by the memory of her late mother. To escape her lonely life and troubled relationship with her father, Lily flees with Rosaleen, her caregiver and only friend, to a South Carolina town that holds the secret to her mother's past. Taken in by the intelligent and independent Boatwright sisters, Lily finds solace in their mesmerizing world of beekeeping.

Read Transcripts of the last two Book discussions to catch up:
Nov 17
The Secret Life of Bees - Live Chat Transcript! by Princess Spanky Pants (The Real, Original, Heather T)
Nov 25
Discuss "The Secret Life of Bees" - Join the Book Club, Tuesday 11/25 @ 9PM ET by Christine Zibas

Discussion Questions:

  1. Were you pleased or disappointed with the way Lily and T. Ray left off their relationship?
  2. Do you think that Lily had an unrealistic image of her mother, Deborah?
  3. Which character in the book did you most relate to?
  4. Why do you think the book is called "The Secret Life of Bees"?

Gather will randomly draw one person who participates in our chat between 9-9:30PM ET on 12/2 to receive 200 Bonus Gather Points TM!

I look forward to chatting with you!

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Comments: 178

Beth - Doing God's work Daily J. Dec 1, 2008, 1:56pm EST
Thanks for the information.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 1, 2008, 2:06pm EST
Thanks for the reminder! I'm looking forward to it!
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Jennifer G. Dec 1, 2008, 2:12pm EST
I still haven't read the book, but it's on my to-do list.
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 1, 2008, 2:14pm EST
I'll be back
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Janet "Jax" B. Dec 1, 2008, 4:16pm EST
I will be at dance with Angela...(sniff, sniff)....and I wanted to be here.
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 2:44pm EST
Look forward to chatting tonight!
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Connie C. Dec 2, 2008, 4:32pm EST
I will try to make it. I do already have a previous appointment. I will try to be back in time though
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Andrea (Ms. Conservative) L. Dec 2, 2008, 5:15pm EST
I hear the sleigh bells!!
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t b. Dec 2, 2008, 5:53pm EST
Sounds very cool, I will try to be here.
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♥♥LoViNg♥LiFe♥ ♥♥ Dec 2, 2008, 5:54pm EST
thanks so much
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Nellie (The Bad Santa of Gather) Dec 2, 2008, 5:56pm EST
what time zone? Let me know please
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♠~Dnbuster~♠ ~. Dec 2, 2008, 5:56pm EST
i havent read the book, sorry cant stay for chat. I will be busy with my Charity:)
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Nellie (The Bad Santa of Gather) Dec 2, 2008, 5:56pm EST
duh forget that, just noticed et...duh
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APE 131313 Dec 2, 2008, 5:56pm EST
New to the group............and feeling my way around ;)
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Maggie Y. Dec 2, 2008, 6:02pm EST
cool!
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Trish A. Dec 2, 2008, 6:04pm EST
I still haven't had time to read the book so I'll have to pass this time. I hope everyone enjoys it.
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Netty B. Dec 2, 2008, 6:07pm EST
I am working doubt I can make it
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Mary M. Dec 2, 2008, 6:15pm EST
I loved this book! I'm going to try to join in:-)
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Bridget ♥ Dec 2, 2008, 6:30pm EST
Darn it, I wish this was little earlier/later! My son has a wrestling awards practice tonight that I can't miss and it's at 5:30, I won't be home in time!
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Janet Somewhere Up On The Mount Dec 2, 2008, 6:33pm EST
Nice
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Senetria Gibson Dec 2, 2008, 6:39pm EST
ok i will be here
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Vanessa Sawyer Dec 2, 2008, 6:41pm EST
cool sounds like fun
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Robert M Dec 2, 2008, 6:54pm EST
Very nice!!
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Candy S. Dec 2, 2008, 6:59pm EST
Oh I can't be there I wish I could.
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Sherrie H. Dec 2, 2008, 7:12pm EST
I have to work... Christmas party at the Blue Belle Inn.
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Mary M. Dec 2, 2008, 7:49pm EST
This book always sounded interesting but I have not gotten to it yet. I don't know if I'll make it to the chat or not but I'll say hello and goodbye for now!
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Kerry (A tree, not a lemon) .. Dec 2, 2008, 7:54pm EST
Were you pleased or disappointed with the way Lily and T. Ray left off their relationship?

I was neither, their final confrontation was predictable and in tune with the rest of their relationship. Quick, violent and unresolved seemed to be their theme and it was played out in the end.
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Kerry (A tree, not a lemon) .. Dec 2, 2008, 8:00pm EST
Do you think that Lily had an unrealistic image of her mother, Deborah?

Yes. Lily had a bit of Hero worship going on concerning her mother.
The view Lily had of her mother was tunneled and came about due to a total lack of communication not only with her father but everyone one else on the farm and in her town. How else should she be expected to view her Mom when not a soul ever spoke of her as she actually was. Lily made a mother for herself within her mind, it was her only option.
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Kerry (A tree, not a lemon) .. Dec 2, 2008, 8:04pm EST
Which character in the book did you most relate to?

None. The characters were each very one dimensional and "forced" in my opinion and I did not find myself relating to any of them.
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Tiffany G. Dec 2, 2008, 8:20pm EST
Do you think that Lily had an unrealistic image of her mother, Deborah?

I agree with Kerry.. She done what she could to get by until hearing the truth which changed her forever
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Tiffany G. Dec 2, 2008, 8:23pm EST
Which character in the book did you most relate to?

I liked Rosaleen alot.. she was so sweet and knew when to be serious and when to let loose!
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Deborah R. Dec 2, 2008, 8:41pm EST
Thank you for the info.
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 8:58pm EST
Here ready to talk about the book...anyone else around?
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Tiffany G. Dec 2, 2008, 8:58pm EST
Why do you think the book is called "The Secret Life of Bees"?

well Im not sure if their is a right or wrong answer.. I may have missed something but I think its because the ladies introduced Lily to beekeeping and knew the past of the mother so they had alot to offer!
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 8:59pm EST
Good Evening!

Welcome to the last discussion of the book The Secret Life of Bees, by Sue Monk Kidd. Tonight we'll be discussing chapters twelve through the end of the book.
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Tiffany G. Dec 2, 2008, 8:59pm EST
I really enjoyed The Secret Life of Bees
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:00pm EST
Evening all!
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 2, 2008, 9:00pm EST
1.Were you pleased or disappointed with the way Lily and T. Ray left off their relationship?

I think it ended as well as could be expected, I did expect or want a warm fuzzy reunion with these characters.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:01pm EST
Good evening, April!
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:02pm EST
Were you pleased or disappointed with the way Lily and T. Ray left off their relationship?

I was really neither, but it made me sad that T. Ray was so violent. He turned the pain of losing Lily's mom into such violent anger and couldn't get over it.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:02pm EST
Discussion Questions:
will be posted about every 7 minutes, but please post your answers however long it takes

Question #1. Were you pleased or disappointed with the way Lily and T.Ray left off their relationship?
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 2, 2008, 9:03pm EST
2. Do you think that Lily had an unrealistic image of her mother, Deborah?

Of course she did, she was very young when she lost her Mother and she was growing up in an abusive home. It is not a surprise that she put her Mom on a pedestal, most of us do when we are very young and inexperienced in life.
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 9:03pm EST
Hi everyone! This was a great book, can't believe it's over already.
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 2, 2008, 9:03pm EST
Hi April and Princess
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:03pm EST
HEllo, Princess & Cyber Gwen
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:04pm EST
PErsonally I was not pleased as to how they left their relationship
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:04pm EST
t. Ray's behavior seemed to confirm that Lily had been the one to accidentally pull the trigger. He blamed her for his loss.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:04pm EST
Greetings Apryl
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 9:05pm EST
I think that the relationship between Lily and T Ray actually ended appropriately. The book wasn't really about that romance. I think the relationship between the two of them could have been a whole book in and of itself.

For me, it was more about Lily finding a "family" that loved her and where she could be who she truly was.
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Sophie S. Dec 2, 2008, 9:06pm EST
Even though I kinda knew in the back of my head that it would end up that way I was still disappointed. I am not very familiar with dealing with that many issues or pent up anger, in myself or others, so it is hard for me to grasp a relationship that began and ended that way.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:06pm EST
Question 1-

I think that while parts of T. Ray's response to Lily felt sincere, a lot of it felt forced, and not at all like a natural interaction. To clarify that a bit, I meant it seemed like the author had a hard time getting that part out, and forced it, instead of taking her time with it.

T. Ray spent a lot of time and anger trying to find Lily, and after just a bit of anger and words, left her behind.
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Senetria Gibson Dec 2, 2008, 9:06pm EST
ok i am here and ready
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:06pm EST
Question #2 Do you think that Lily had an unrealistic image of her mother, Deborah?
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 2, 2008, 9:06pm EST
3.Which character in the book did you most relate to?

One of the reasons I liked this book is the play on the characters. I think as a woman I could relate to all of the woman. I don't see myself relating to one more than the other as I don't think any one character was fully developed. I think the way the characters were protrayed let us relate to each as we would each part of our own personalties.
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barbara white Dec 2, 2008, 9:07pm EST
greetings,April and thanks for leading tonight's discussion.
#1: I was pleased for the most part tho I did hope that T.Ray would change and treat Lily like a daughter he cared for.
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Sophie S. Dec 2, 2008, 9:07pm EST
I think I focused a lot more on the finding a family part too, Christine. I read the book looking for those moments where connections were made.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:08pm EST
I think Lily's image was realistic under the circumstances
Not so secret life of bees Pictures, Images and Photos
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Priscilla (wishing I was in Costa Rica) ~. Dec 2, 2008, 9:08pm EST
I really enjoyed this book when I read it, I think it was 2 years ago now.
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 2, 2008, 9:09pm EST
Princess

" Question 1-

I think that while parts of T. Ray's response to Lily felt sincere, a lot of it felt forced, and not at all like a natural interaction. To clarify that a bit, I meant it seemed like the author had a hard time getting that part out, and forced it, instead of taking her time with it.

T. Ray spent a lot of time and anger trying to find Lily, and after just a bit of anger and words, left her behind. "

I agree with everything you said, it did seem like he gave up too easy. I sort of expected a part II, something like T-Ray's revenge, LOL
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Priscilla (wishing I was in Costa Rica) ~. Dec 2, 2008, 9:09pm EST
Now I am considering seeing the movie - I hope it as good as the book was.
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 9:09pm EST
Oh, sorry my answer was crazy. I confused T Ray with the boy she liked. It's been awhile since I read this.

As for her father, I guess that he realized he couldn't be the sort of father that Lily needed. The Boatwright sisters could provide the family she needed and give her love and understanding.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:09pm EST
rofl- Yes, exactly, revenge!
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:10pm EST
It would be helpful to discuss the question in bold before moving onto the next one
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:10pm EST
Howdy April!

Do you think that Lily had an unrealistic image of her mother, Deborah?

Unrealistic? yes and no. How else was she supposed to imagine her mom when she never knew her and wasn't allowed to ask about her?
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barbara white Dec 2, 2008, 9:10pm EST
Since Lily was so young when her mother died she grew up with an idealized view of her mother .
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jessie voigts Dec 2, 2008, 9:10pm EST
i loved this book - i love that strong women can influence younger ones in positive ways!
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Dena Straughn Dec 2, 2008, 9:10pm EST
Hi Gals. I haven't had the chance to pick up the book yet, but it sounds so interesting. Tell me this. Is it a must read, can't put it down book? I a ready to sink my teeth into something worthwhile to read.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:10pm EST
Princess, I agree revenge
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Mary M. Dec 2, 2008, 9:10pm EST
Hi everyone. Just popping in to say hi. Hope you all have a wonderful chat. I have not had the chance to read this book so I don't know how much I could contribute to the conversation. Have a good night.
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 2, 2008, 9:11pm EST
4. Why do you think the book is called "The Secret Life of Bees"?

I love this question, I wish I had a better answer than what I am about to give.

I think it's the secret life of Bee's because we are all like worker bee's, busy in the pursuit of our lives and the care of our families and communities. The secret's are what remains in the hive, away from view. Only the bee's know.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:12pm EST
Dena, I liked the book but it is not an outstanding book in my opinion, for me it was not a book that i COULD NOT POUT DOWN
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 9:12pm EST
As for Lily's image of her mother, I think that having lost her mother when she was so young and being under the stress of her father's lack of understanding, she needed someone like the image of her mother to believe in. Lily's mother died when she was so young, at that age, you don't even have a concept of your parents are humans that make mistakes.
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:12pm EST
Yes, it was like revenge, but I think that he had a moment of clarity after he freaked out and called her Deborah. Good or bad, he realized that he didn't want the reminder of Deborah and her death around and that was what Lily was. He actually gave her a gift by letting her go.
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Gloria C. Dec 2, 2008, 9:13pm EST
This sounds like a very interesting book. I'll have to check it out at the library and read it when things calm down around here a little more. Is this book related to the movie that is coming out with Queen Latefa or am I mixing it up?
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barbara white Dec 2, 2008, 9:13pm EST
yes,Dena, I consider this a must read as I have read it twice.
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:13pm EST
I agree with April, Dena. It was very very good, but I was not going to die if i put it down.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:13pm EST
Question #3. Which character in the book did you most relate to?
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Dena Straughn Dec 2, 2008, 9:14pm EST
Thanks for such an honest answer, April.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:14pm EST
Question 2-

I think Lily didn't quite grasp all of who her mother was, but she relied on learning about her from a few small memories and some small items found.

As a child, she romanticized who her mother was, and felt extreme guilt about what she thought had happened the day her mother came back for her.

Through out the book, I think her image changes of her mother. She alternates between love, adoration, anger, and even small bouts of hate.
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:14pm EST
Gloria, you have it right. It is the one that just came out with Queen Latifah.
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 9:14pm EST
Also a lot of what Lily "knew" about her mother was from the items she found in the attic. Basically, she attributed loving characteristics to her mother, because she needed to feel love from someone, and she wasn't getting it from her father.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:15pm EST
Yes Gloria It is the current movie with Queen Latifa
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Dena Straughn Dec 2, 2008, 9:15pm EST
Barbara, what was it that inspired you to read it more than once.
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Priscilla (wishing I was in Costa Rica) ~. Dec 2, 2008, 9:15pm EST
Question #2 Do you think that Lily had an unrealistic image of her mother, Deborah?

Yes I think she did, as we all tend to at that age~
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:15pm EST
Question 3-

I did not feel a strong connection to any of the characters. I felt that overall, some of the secondary characters were not fully developed, while the main ones were.. well, a product of their times. They were far different than I think I am as a person, and I can't relate to any of their experiences.
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:15pm EST
Heather, there was a lot of fluctuation in her image of her. I liked that because it not only made the book more complex, but it sounded genuine. I have even gone through periods like that with my mom and I know her.
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 9:16pm EST
I actually think that Lily's father letting her stay where she was is the most loving act he did in the whole book...even though it was in his own gruff T Ray way.
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Dena Straughn Dec 2, 2008, 9:16pm EST
Gwen, thanks for your input.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:16pm EST
For me, this book was not fabulous. It was good, I enjoyed it, but I didn't love it. It isn't a book where I'm dying to see the movie, or re-read it.
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Apryl Just Apryl Dec 2, 2008, 9:16pm EST
I really loved this book, I could relate to Lily, as an orphan myself I searched my entire life to find a place where I belonged, a family. I think when we lose our parents at a very young age we are always trying to find a place to belong, to be accepted, to be cherished, guided and loved. It is a diferent path for one who loses their core family especially where there are more questions than answers.

I know this was not a literary masterpiece but I found it portrayed some very real emotions and complex thoughts in a simple and straight forward way.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:17pm EST
I agree Gwen, I think her changing emotions about her mother were definitely realistic.
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Priscilla (wishing I was in Costa Rica) ~. Dec 2, 2008, 9:17pm EST
Dean, I think it was a good book, but not an outstanding one. I'm actually surprised they made it a movie.
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:17pm EST
I could relate to May the best. Everyone pussyfooted around her and my friends and family that know me well tend to do that too me. I get tired of the kid gloves treatment.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:18pm EST
Princess, I agree the Character development was lacking
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Christine Zibas Dec 2, 2008, 9:18pm EST
As for connecting with the characters, I loved Lily's independent streak. And I loved the sisters who accepted her without reservation, opened their house to her when it could have caused big trouble for them. They took her in unconditionally; that was pretty amazing, even with the connection to Deborah.
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barbara white Dec 2, 2008, 9:18pm EST
Dena:the first time I read it I really enjoyed it and when Gather was looking for a book to read and discuss I thought it would be an excellent choice. Also with the movie coming out I hoped that would encourage more to give it a try.
I re-read it so I could participate in this chat and found that it is a novel that I really enjoy.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:18pm EST
Question 4-

The book title, to me, has a few reasons, I think. First and most obvious it refers to the bees as animals, which are a focal point in the book. More complexly, though, I think that through out the book, Lily's observations of the way the bees live have direct connotations to her own life, and how she is moving through it, with deep secrets in her own past that she's trying to both hide from, and discover the truth about.
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April H. Dec 2, 2008, 9:19pm EST
Question #4. Why do you think the book is called "The Secret Life of Bees"?
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Dec 2, 2008, 9:19pm EST
And, while I would like to stick around to chat, I just realized we have no bread and no juice boxes and no substitutes for them in the house. I have to run to the store to pick some stuff up so the kids can have lunches tomorrow. ;)
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CyberGwen ! Dec 2, 2008, 9:19pm EST
YW, Dena. It is always my pleasure:)

Christine, I saw T. Rays act as a loving gesture as well. You just said it a heck of a lot better than I. LOL
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