WHY RACISM ?

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Sorry got lost. I will come back and reread.

Sorry David, I am a bit arcane ... :-)

You lost me, Jerry, but I know that your heart is in the right place. You think on different levels than I do. That is not a criticism. It is just a statement of fact.

If you as a reader got lost or skipped over this all ... please think about coming back sometime and rereading it again ... it is extremely important ... IMnsHO.

Jerry, since you left that statement, I think it is important for me to let you know why I got lost and skipped over much of this. The words in quotes and math symbols exhaust me. I don't want to put that much work into reading what you write before I can even think about your message.

Sorry again and again, really ... I just wish there was a better way for me to say what I want ... I guess that I will have to devote more effort to it ... but metaphor and/or allegory ( or aphorisms and even axioms) just seems the way to go when speaking about things so subjective as spiritual matters ... I know that purely literal words and interpretations do not get the job done, evidenced by the vast numbers of those religious that do not have a clue. :-)

I know my writing skills are almost nonexistent, but I do the best that I can nunder the circumstances ... I know that in my studying to understand what I now know, it took countless hours deep into the dictionary to get grounded in it all ... I was so surprised originally at how many people were confused about the differences between subjective and objective matters ...

All I can say in defence, is that the understanding is more than worth whatever effort it takes to do so ... but each will arrive at that knowing when they are ready, there is a time and a place for everything ... and meanwhile I will keep on trying to explain on the outside chance there is someone out there that IS ready ... it is really about as simple as things can get IMnsHO ... I think that people allow themselves to be scared away too soon because it is something they are not used to ... thinking deeply is not something we are "trained" to do in this sound-bite society that wants everyone to rely upon the "words" of the authorized "leaders" ... (maybe some day I will take the time to learn how to "bolden" the words I want to stand out Sandy, so I will not have to punctuate them as I do ... sometimes I think I am too old to learn all of the new tricks) :-)

I do appreciate everyone that at least humors me anyway ... better than a lot of the responses I get (usually from the far-righties).

Jerry, I think you are selling yourself short with this: "I know my writing skills are almost nonexistent." I can only speak for me when I say that I don't think the problem is on your end. You and I do not think alike, and you are speaking over my head. If you would simplify your message, I would probably do better. I don't expect you to do that just for me.

Sandy, I would really do the best I could if someone was REALLY interested, but it would probably take some back and forth involving specific questions in certain areas ... something pretty hard to accomplish doing the shotgun approach that I have to do (at least it seems that I have to) to get any attention at all on Gather ...

My greatest problem I think is that my meanings are so clear in my mind because of my experiences from when I awakened to this 14 years ago, untill now, and it is too easy for me to forget that I had NOT the slightest knowledge of any of it prior to that ... I am sure that back then, prior to, I could say without a doubt that anyone speaking like I do now, would have seemed absolutely insane to me ... and they would be by "normal" standards ... I have had a couple sessions with a psychiatrist, of the old Freudian school, who saw absolutely no value in my thinking ... but I know of others, besides myself, that do recognise the transcendency of it ... as is said, when the student is ready the teacher will appear ... it happened for me.

I really appreciate your comment(s) though Sandy and I would never think of thinking less of you and Bert because you do not understand me ... it is really my own "fault", if there were such, and there is not ... so, all things in good time.

The only people I come across that I might think less of, are those who do not have a clue about what it is all about, yet call me nasty names because my message does not fit their own narrow minded reality ... and that only comes from a very few that are quite far Right and very conservative, who just hate anybody they think is liberal ... everybody on Gather that gets involved with religion, society and/or politics (especially), knows what I mean about that ...

I blabber again and too much ... thanks again.

Jerry, this is beautiful logic. And you are right, it may be good for some to go back and re-read it. I caught the essence... and it really shines. Thank you for sharing this conversation.

I had a long conversation the other day with a woman who often goes into a deep crisis over old issues never having had a chance to resolve themselves... and the smallest little "modstand," we call it in Danish... "resistance," I guess, to her wants ir needs then becomes the final straw, and she collapses into a passive suicidal ideation, where she tries to sleep her way away from anything to do with life.

And here she dreams a lot. She has been describing her dreams to me for a while, and most of them are rather dark with demons. But one recurring dream is not. Here she has wings and flies, so in some guided meditations, I evoke that ability in her to "fly" to her own paradise, where the "tools" to survive anything can exist at any given moment.

In that conversation the other day, we talked about the illusive and dual (without getting into any technical stuff) quality to the every day life we all exist in collectively. And we talked of her penchant for sleeping many days away, in a dreamstate. What if, I said, in a dream where she had wings, she were to be curious of her "raison d'ètre," and gently float in her dream-state being to the thin fabric of the threshold between her dream state and where she was under a blanket, dreaming herself there?

And then, what if, in normal daily living, when life suddenly might grow beyond her tolerance to wish to continue breathing, she were to gently float with her heart to the threshold where a"deeper dreamer" within her had brought her to this place in life that she had been born into... and now struggled to escape from? Would that "deeper dreamer" not then give her all the resources to find peace and happiness to continue life's dream?

" Would that "deeper dreamer" not then give her all the resources to find peace and happiness to continue life's dream? "

I surely believe that, yes, it very well could be so ... that might be akin to the opposite of Lucid Dreaming, where rather than intentionally guiding the dreaming via the recognition of the mixture of wakefulness along with the dream state interacting, one would apply the idea of the ability to experience something in dreams to the awake reality ...

For me, I think that it is the finding withIN, the INtuition, the Spirit of the Soul, that seeks only the best for me in relationship to the best of all other, that which I sense to be trustworthy for ultimate truth on things that matter the most, related to spiritual matters as they relate to the temporal, which for me, now have the very highest priority, both in the here and now, and most especially in that anticipated time to follow.

I myself have experienced many of those same dreams that you describe ... the flying ones are most enjoyable ... I only occasionally have been able to actually direct them some ... I seldom have what one would call "bad" dreams anymore ... I believe I worked my way through the "need" (learning ?) for them, I hope anyway.

But above all else here, I want to tell you how much I appreciate the fact that you understood what I was trying to say in this rather poorly written and poorly arranged article ... it is especially encouraging, because it seems to happen so rarely, that I have been considering lately, just giving up the attempt on Gather to shine some light on deeper thinking ... Thanks Bent for your timing. :-)

Jerry, you're very welcome, and timing always seems to be the thing... serendipity, I guess some call it.

I've read a lot of people who write about non-duality, and the toughest... very toughest nut to crack, is to communicate what one feels so profoundly within at the intuitive. It's perhaps the knack or gift to be able to somehow evoke the listener's or reader's own intuitive state.

I think even Ramana Maharshi said something like that once, but maybe I'm projecting.

I tend to get didactic sometimes, which is not the way to go about it.

Didactic ... yes, another interesting word, that I find when looking it up, it may be part of my problem here also ... some may be turned off by my "seeming" pedantry ... but the BET (+=-)(rule/axiom/aphorism ?) is just so BASIC to the overall truth of everything, IMnsHO, that I am compelled to push, push, push it ... in the hope that it sprouts in minds and eventually comes to fruition ... because to me it is something, a concept, that this world REALLY "needs" (or at least, sure could use) right now to get on a better track ...

Another thought, for all of my earlier life, I abhorred the use of "big" words that so many "writers" used only to make people think they were knowledgeable, and I now find it almost necessary for me to use many such words just because they are required to make the finer nuanced differentiations that are so important at times to get the exact "point" across ... but then when I go to the dictionary it still becomes often ever more confusing because there are always subsequent related words with ever more "specific" meanings for the different, seemingly never-ending, nuances ...

All of that "potential" to get very specific then necessitates "backing off" and finding a modicum of "balance" that will hopefully satisfy the greater intended audience of readers ... especially when so many people have such differing interpretations for the very same words ... Oh well, I babble some more (again) ... :-)

I wish I could express my thoughts in such a clear manner!

Jimmy, as much as I would like to do otherwise, I will take that as sarcasm, at least based upon the bulk of comments otherwise, already presented. :-)

You have read me wrong! I was serious. I enjoyed the article and your eloquent way of making your point is something that I admire. I also understand what you are saying.

Sorry if I was too short with my comment!

Jimmy, I really do value your understanding ... especially when I find it so rarely. Thanks for the clarification. :-)

Thanks Liz, you are a sweetheart and are already able to understand the essence of what I write on "other" levels of apprehension and in that regard there is even no need for you to read what I write because my aim in writing is only to put out my message for those that may not yet have made the "connections" yet that you and I have ...

[ I have here come back to interject this, a "warning" to you Liz ... feel free to not read any further ... :-) ... because what was meant to be a simple explanation without the symbols, became involved unintentionally, with those very same symbols ... sorry :-)]

My own greatest "revelation" (other than the 1st, of finding God) has been the understanding of the truths that I sought in life, and that turned out to be, "for me" at least, the differences between the inherent dualities which too often were treated as dichotomies where the natural and diverse differences (such as that between man and woman for only one example) were too often NOT understood, thus too often feared and conflicted over, where one or the other saw themselves as good (+) then declaring the other as bad (-) ... that then creating a void (/) between each that was conflicted across ... the conflict coming from the ego concept held by each, being that believed, that it (ego) was separate from other egos ... thus each ego naturally understood (in it's own mind) that it alone was good (+) and disagreed, sometimes too often violently, with the implication of the "other" ego, that by comparison they were by "default", if nothing else, bad (-).

Dualisms thus more often than not involve judgements (valuations) by at least one side of the issue, usually by both sides, and neither side is willing to take the lessor (-) designation, especially, and most importantly, when that designation is deemed a "valuation" (de-valuation in the case of the (-) lessor).

It is that idea of "valuation" that has been handed down to us by institutionalised religions that have always preached the vast differences between heaven and hell, good and bad, and always insisting that one strive for ONLY the most extreme side of choice, called perfection, and always known to be unattainable during life, so at best, one could be considered faithfully striving for it, while doing their best to FIGHT AGAINST the evil other, the one(s) that were bad (-) as compared to their own relative good (+).
Dualism (+/-) the two "sides" conflicting across the void (/) of misunderstanding, fear, and even hatreds ... [exampled in the "extremes" to make the point].

Dualism has thus become the normal operational belief system of the world view of everything ... as compared to what awaits us when we finally learn our lessons and transcend our thinking into a more "spiritual" mode, that of trinitarian thought, where instead of the gap/void of dualism, we realize the Spirit of God as "bridge" (=) that replaces the void (/) with compassionate understanding and the love of acceptance, the REAL TRUTH of God's Universal reality of Trinity as (+=-) ...

Thus when I "relate" dualism as (+/-) to trinitarian (+=-), I interject another symbol of comparative "valuation" of (>) meaning "greater than" ... or the (<) meaning "less than", as needed to make the point.

(+=-)>(+/-)

or

(+/-)<(+=-)


Now there are really only 7 different symbols being used here:

( ) ... that which contains

(+) ... that which is designated positive (not in valuation) as related to other,

(-) ... that which is designated negative (not in valuation) as related to other.

(/) ... that which designates a void, a gap, or a divide "between" anything ...
(sadly used by dualists for "valuation").

(=) ... that which "bridges" and makes a valid connection between differences,
for this purpose meant to be the unconditional love of the Spirit of God.
That which is non-judgemental and has no favorites, knowing there is a
reason and purpose for all things, even opposites, all reconcilable.

(<) ... that which "can" denote "valuation" ... less than.

(>) ... and as above only opposite ... greater than.



It is these symbols and concepts that are the basis of the essence of what has been revealed to me by Spirit to satisfy my own need for truthful understanding of the differences involved between war and peace ... and all of it's variations that may well be infinite in nature and reality, but are best "seen" when involving the "extremes" ... of which these "symbols" represent best for me ...

I always offer everything based upon this as my best attempt to teach as simple as I know how, what can be an extremely complex experience for those lost in the outer workings of it all while never understanding the relative simplicity at the center (=).

Please excuse ... I just throw it out there for any that want or need ... I am offended not by any who choose to ignore :-) ... I realize that comparative to most, it is I that would be considered to be "crazy" ... and I do not mind at all because us crazy people are always the last to admit that. IMnsHO.


Oh, I almost forgot: "In My not so Humble Opinion" (IMnsHO) ... which I believe I began using almost two years ago when John Knight insisted that none could be "sure" of anything and should use a "disclaimer" to their statements of otherwise "fact" ...

I also believing that my views were admittedly subjective in that they were spiritually inspired, but unlike other concepts society holds of people like us that claim that spiritual "connection" that society "demands" via religious brainwashing, that we be "humble", I disagree, thus the ns (not so) within, IMnsHO.

Always remember Liz, I always write for the greater audience of potential readers because I never know when just the right person may come along and read, thus finding the "key" to what they are searching for, be they aware or not of that search ... these are just meant to be little seeds cast upon the medium of Gather ... what happens, or not, will be ... Peace and Love to all ... j.

Jerry, just a little note to you regarding my comments on an article posted by Michael Harvey"a great article".I was enjoying the exchange with Mr.Harvey until i read your idiotic suggestions about my character and that i must be ashamed of my life. You sir know nothing of my lifes journey, but for a sell-important pompous ASS,like i think you are anyone who dares have a different point of view from an all knowing -blow hard man of the world, such as yourself. I grew up in the Bronx NY, Jerry and there are two sayings we used to say for guys like you-#-1 Better to remain silent and thought a fool- than to speak up and remove all doubt!!!--- Have a good day J-OFF!!! -You need too.

Thanks mickey d., a bit late getting back here to read the above, but as I recall, every time I read one of your comments all over Gather I seem to form about the same opinion of you yet. By their fruits they shall be known ... :-)