ANTI - SEMITE … OR … ANTI - ZIONIST
I have made a comment to the Dershowitz articles into my contribution to the debate that so consumes this world right now on the very eve of WW3. It follows below.
I have labored thru the thread again, attempting to sort out who is coming from where, and the validity of their arguments.
There seems to be one major trend showing through all of this … as is often the case on many subjects now-a-days.
The extreme right view being the most strident for a defense (which they quickly turn into an offense) of their cherished perceptions … in this case Jew, Jews, Israel, Israelis, Semite, Semites, Zion, and Zionists.
Of course they then do not differentiate at all between them, holding each and all as sacred, even sacrosanct. When it comes to their brother Semites (desert dwellers), they disown them, never allowing the relationship.
A relationship that preceded Nation building when peoples were free to travel the deserts, before the western idea of ‘boundaries’ became so popular in the western mind … and usually ‘forced’ upon the free peoples, the indigent ‘natives’ of the lands so ‘claimed’ for the latter exploiter.
Jews do not even acknowledge the fact of the earlier disbursement into 12 tribes … meaning that all of the rest of us by now do have the rights of bloodline to make claims also as being their brothers and sisters.
No, they now put their ‘religion’ first … or is it their ‘nationality’ … their ‘heritage’ … their ‘survivorship’ … or just their ‘special-ness as the chosen’ … actually all are used as it best suits their case it seems. Above all, it is their ‘victim hood’ that so unites them. If one speaks against any aspect of their ‘whatever’ … one is then labeled an Anti-Semite. Of course we have all been well indoctrinated into their ancestral ‘victim hood’ … and by now we well know of the wrath that will descend upon us if we violate that “law’ of theirs … the claim of Anti-Semite will be surely hurled on us from every direction.
Like the Christian Right, becoming so ‘organized’ as to compel each other to think a certain way, into organizing a get out the vote movement to get ’their’ guy into the office of Presidency of this nation, it seems that some Jews have brought their ’fellows’ to Gather to support their hero in tearing down someone else’s that they feel has threatened their position via a book. (a book by Carter in this case).
The ’lines’ have been drawn in this ’debate’ (as if it could be called that). The one side of narrow minded views of hereditary ownership of lands and privilege just for their own … and the opposing view that says; ’whoa’ fella … there is a larger story yet to this picture … the little guy, the down trodden here, that is little represented, has certain ‘God given’ rights also, in this world of ‘claimed’ ownerships …
Which brings me to another ignored subject … that of God’s real place in all of this. Just who is God, what does God represent to the folks that care about such ? Is there really more than ONE God that is competing here ? Does one group really have a special ness with that God or not ? Does a piece of land and/or a Temple REALLY have all that much importance to God … or is that really only a fabrication in the minds of those that choose to believe so, in lieu of a more transcendent spiritual realization of the real relationship of the spiritual realm to us all ??? … I suggest it is the latter, the exoteric ignorant rejection of the esoteric subjective nature of the a priori spiritual, that does in fact and truth have it’s place of importance ahead, above, and beyond the present understanding of most all men … including Rabbis, Popes, and Priests of all kinds.
So all of this worldly discussion, debate, arguing, fighting, warring and destructiveness … is just leading to more of the same ! Let us all get back to some Basics here around a real relationship to each other … be that one around God, or simply just evolution alone … there is actually a huge difference between those two views. But the one most divided and contentious now is that around that of God. If you think that God approves of this factional ‘fighting’ … then just maybe you need to look deeper into what God could mean for you.
As it stands, there is an ancient history, through time immemorial ,that our old books assert to being one thing or another. Some believe it has only been a few thousand years in the making, others go back much further.
Some believe that fables and mythology are just story tales with no meaning or relevance to actual history. Be that as it may … I personally have experiences of very strong mystical expressions and communications, some very pronounced, but most subtle (and if I had any credibility before, I can just see losing it now for some narrow minded people) … I do not have ‘specific’ answers for the worlds problems … I have some that could help it a lot and have even written a book about it all ( <a href=http://www.spiritcalls.us>Spirit Calls …</a>) But I am led to believe, by what at least I consider to be very reliable sources … that this world is fast approaching a climax of unbelievable proportion … some thing long warned of in prophecy and fable … and lately in New-Age, as well as indigenous Spiritual and Shamanic circles of various peoples all over the world … many native peoples not so caught up in our materialism are well aware of what is to come !
Now the more ‘advanced’ peoples of the scientific persuasion of objective materialism and ‘things’, are way too distracted by their ‘desires’ and ‘advertised’ promises of ‘fulfillment’ through purchase and acquisition. Their time frames are much more limited to their own lifetime, they mostly could care less about things of ancient histories or even spatial realms of possible spiritual life forms very much related to us on cosmic terms and cycles of time. Maybe even of dimensions of frequency vibration that allows them to appear and disappear as if they were angels (good and not so good maybe) … there is so much more potential to our actual reality when the larger picture is allowed … but one must first become inquisitive enough to look above the edge of the little box that our temporal society (including most religious views) has ‘handed’ us.
This will really get the attention of most … I alluded to it earlier … and have a complete article on it in my file history … the Protocols Of the Learned Elders of Zion !!!
You had better all bet that the Muslims, that so many are now fearing, have read these documents and have belief systems based around them … if and when you come to understand that, you will have the ability to understand your own position and relationship to it all, not only the immediate relationship to those that you just think hate you for no good reason other than their barbarity in your mind … YOU have been brainwashed over your lifetime … and they have been also.
Those Protocols ARE the blueprint for what has been going on for eons … that movement HAS been handed down since the beginning of time by those that have held positions in society of advantage !
Their philosophy has been honed into a fine art by now, it is long range, and for some even eternal from a metaphysical viewpoint. That viewpoint has encouraged exoteric religions the world over, to siphon off would be Spiritual people that might well seek higher truths, to join and stay within the religious institutions and settle for the lower truths (actually falsehoods) to keep them within the fold of exotericism, and within the realm of the long term plans of those that the Protocols were and are exposing.
Now before you all yell your head off in disgust (political correctness and indignation derived from such righteousness) … just think who better than the Jew, to be the defenders of their UNSpiritual Zionist secular leadership behind the scenes … in complete denial of the possibility suggested here … what makes you so sure that your own religious and spiritual sentiments are not being used and abused by a leadership factor so far to the ‘Right’ (politically) that even you would disown it if real truth were known by you ?
How many have actually taken the time to sit down and really read the Protocols with an OPEN mind ? I doubt that there would be many, if any, given the distaste of such, that has been ingrained into everyone … by intentional design I might add ! The Protocols ARE the BLUEPRINT for what has been and is now going on … to everybody’s DETRIMENT long range and near, except theirs, the ones at the top of the Corporatocracy Pyramid’s Apex, that stand to Inherit the entire world under their ’Government’ … and it will not be what we would like to think as a Godly one !!!
So WAKE UP FOLKS, get your heads out of the confinements of the BOX that has been crafted for you by the leaders behind the scenes, that pull the strings of the ones you actually see … many of the lower level leaders are even unaware of what is transpiring in their names … such is the secrecy involved and the detail they will go to, to make us feel ashamed to even suggest that a massive conspiracy could really be taking place right under our noses ……… THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE ISSUE … BUT IT VERY WELL COULD BE AN ANTI-ZIONIST ISSUE !?!?!?
A more complete discussion is in my book <a href=http://www.spiritcalls.us>Spirit Calls … a voice from the wilderness. </a>
Peace, j.
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I concur with several of the insights you mention in your post. I think that all extremist groups that create dividing walls between their group and other groups based upon cultural, religious or grounds - and basically indicate that it would not bother them one bit if the other groups would cease to exist - these sorts of folks are not spreading the "love" that God is all about.
I know that the unconditional love that God is about tends to divide people as well, but the extremist notions being spoken about in the article you are responding to are divisions caused by hate.
I know I can read valid information to make a case for either 'side' of most anything, so bottom line for me is my own intuition when all else is said and done.
Yes, the polarization that is taking place everywhere is a big part of the expression of fear and hatred because there really are at least two valid viewpoints to everything IMnsHO. People need to have an open mind without fear to adequately survey those extremes so that they can find a valid position closer to some central balance point ... IF they wish to get along with their fellows ...
Otherwise there will always be conflict. True perfection is truth and it seldom resides all by itself at some distant end of a linear scale. A 'version' of love may, in the eyes of a dualist, but for a trinitarian, the UNconditional Love of God-Spirit resides right in between the two choices that would otherwise lead to extremism.
Is there really two sets of commandments, two codes of ethics. Two sets of moral values. Theoretically there shouldn't be. Their books are almost identical. But dig it. The closer you look at the tactics of both these modern day "Semites" and us gentile meddlers, it sure as hell seems like it.
The manipulation is so far beyond human beings playing god, and thinking that they have a right to bend the "rules" God sent in all the holy books so their preferences can dominate... their magic can mystify... their will can be done on earth as they think it is in heaven. Too many of us forget about the "legends" of beings hell bent on mischief that are metaphysical, and highly motivated.
Too many of us fail to examine our spiritual, social, economic, political, and marshal leaders, to see if they are acting like their possessed, or at least in league with forces that are the exact opposite of we believe God revealed is good and right. Few of us see through the illussion, and say, "Sorry. Thank you but, no. Yawl can't even control your own lives I'll be damned if you'll control mine."
But I agree with you. Things are starting to change. Muslims are examining the histories of the Califs in comparison with The Quran. Christians are examining the history of The Church in comparison with the New Testament. And Jews are examining the history of Judaism in comparison with the Torah. Many scholars are reading holy books other than the ones of their persuasion. and realizing that we all worship the same God. We all have the same code of ethics. We all have the same moral values. We all have just have different ways of expressing our prayerful aspirations, regrets, hopes, and love, and dare I mention... loves opposite.
All of the great ones... the Jesus-like ones whom we revere had the same strategies. And all of us forgot them in just about the same way. I thank Allah for folks like you, who remind us... Folks whose intuition is buttressed by sensitive scholarship, not stuck in the mire of Divinity School Politics and Sectarian Gate Keeping... Folks with the courage to stand and represent Truth to our brothers in humanity who may be less fortunate.
Thank God For Folks Like You. God bless you, man.
Whew, such a lot of words here, me being a slow reader, LOL. And all male words too. Whew, again.
Women know that polarization is normal when birth pains begin. It's such a highly emotional time. Mother Earth will be giving birth soon to the New Moon. We all sense it is coming, even nature is highly emotional right now, with all those solar flares, and global warming, and the tectonic plates preparing. Father God and Mother Earth always control the argument among the siblings of mankind. There's no need for any of us to go off half-baked, and the ones who have will soon come to a new realization. God is God, we are the vapor.
+ Father God
= Mother Earth giving Birth
- all of us siblings
Peace Jerry and Love
Rosa
All this brings us to the Old Testement as we know it today...pretty bloody book, full of all the deadly sins, and then some. Followed closely by the Newer Edition. Full of possible redemption and softening of book 1. But both clearly based on the premise that there is one god, probably a male, a father, and to serve him, you must be willing to kill your first born son in the old...and actually kill your son...in the new. That is condoned as this son having died for our sins...absolves us...to what...go out and sin again??? All very confusing to me.
Who is me...born a Jew, raised a Jew, once a rabid Zionist, who still has conflicting feelings about the presevation of the State of Israel, because being a part of a group that most of the world has historically tried to wipe off the face of the earth, and nearly suceeded, I find it difficult to choose sides, as if that was possible.
I think I would die defending the State of Israel, and America too, but why should I have to, and why should anybody have to? Why should hate be an acceptable part of living?
If you go back to that book I was talking about, you will read the story of the written history "dysfunctional families". The patriarch banished one son and his mother at the insistance of the his legal wife to protect his legal heir. The son banished along with his mother was once the servant of the legal wife, and was used to produce an heir, when the legal wife could not. Lo and behold the wife, who is pretty old for that time...finally has a son and then doesn't want the other son or his mother around. This is a theme throughout this book.
So Ismael and his mom are banished. So it doesn't look that bad...this god, this one god tells them not to fear, he will make them a nation...and yada yada.
It doesn't take too long before you have the legal family and the "bastard family" duking it our all over the place. Daddy loved me better then he loved you...yada, yada. Having no Dr. Phil, this family never sat around discussing how dad did the best he could at the time, let's forgive and forget. Not happening.
Fast forward...same fight, same family, no Dr. Phil.
I know this is a little simplistic, but there you have it. The Middle East has been the backdrop of a Family Fued for centuries. If there was not oil there, who would really care. WEll, actually if the symbols of the religions we invented to calm our fears because we could not understand them, were not also there, who would care?
Do unto others as you would have others do on to you. Love thy neighbor as you would love thyself. All the rest is commentary. We have lost that. No matter what we say we are, or where we came from, we have lost that. We are as unevolved as the one-celled creatures we came from. Too bad. Read "Seat of the Soul", by Gary Zukof.
Here:
1. Worldwide goal: females in political office: 50%
2. National goal: National Peace Service Corps - required service, 2 yrs following high school - no exemptions
3. National goal: Rid the military of its soul-stealing practices in boot camp training. Stop the murder-training. Make sure all troops master basic emergency/disaster helping skills
4. USA goal: define bioregions and set up or acknowledge Peace Councils in all the biroregions
5. USA goal: system of Peace libraries
carolion, it would probably help an awful lot to have more women in positions of authority ... but be careful there ... some of them can be much like the men we have now when you get right down to it (remember Margaret Thatcher ?) ... IMnsHO, what we need most of all is men that have balance between their right and left lobes of their brains ... that would be one hell-of-an improvement for starters.
The overall problem is the lack of God given Balance in everything ... as you keep saying, and oh so true ... we need more feminine qualities into our decision making at all levels of 'authority'.
There are two main genders, plus variants, for a reason: each gender has abilities the other does not, and they complement each other.
In terms of whether women in power are just as bad as some of the men we have now - well, of course! But we're still looking at the majority of people in power who have missed their initiations into higher levels of spiritual power....There will come a time, not long away, when that will no longer be the case.
We'll have mature, initiated elders of both genders.
In the meantime, the universe needs us to up the ante (Aunties???) - - get the feminine to 50% - right, left, liberal, conservative, green, etc etc - just get them in there. Something interesting is going to happen when that occurs.
Women have the WATER to help men control their FIRE.....
Men have the FIRE to help women use their WATER in productive ways....
All kinds of COOKING-UP-GOOD-THINGS in the works if only
we remember/revitalize our initiations.
There are many nice decent people that are 'religious', but far too often their 'leaders' are NOT so nice and sometimes may not even be 'as' religious as they 'claim'.
When your life is built around having "faith" ... without proof, sometimes it is hard to know the wheat from the chaff in what is being 'taught' to you.
That is why I promote a spirituality that comes from withIN our own INtuition, a direct gnosis from our own soul (Spirit). Using that to filter all of the 'other' claims through will give us the best overall picture ... assuming (very important) that we seek Truth.
The point being, that the Spirit withIn seeks our overall unity and cooperation because everyone of us are brothers and sisters of the very same God (provided we can adjust our 'vision' of God higher than the level that so many 'fall' for) ...
The 'world' view is objective, all about physicality, about 'differentiation' and division. About divided ownership of lands, properties and temples ... histories of heredity all based upon the shallow exoteric views of competition and conflict.
The 'Universal' view of the true Spiritual that religions are SUPPOSED to represent, would seek us to transcend the worldly views as mentioned above ... to factor into our minds the esoteric subjective truth of our spiritual commonality ... then we could all cooperate in working for a real utopia, a heaven on earth.
So my criticisms are only about the 'limited' thought and concepts that keep us fighting over objectivity and neglecting the a priori subjective of the spiritual ... which transcends both the common religions as well as secularism that we are all most familiar with.
Some Zionists may be religious, some even may be spiritual, some may well not even be that let alone Jewish ... it all comes down to the inner thinking and motives. Not everyone of whatever 'claim' is honest about it. Some may well believe they are, but have their 'facts' based upon falsehoods ... it is best to attempt to see each and everyone on the individual basis of what really matters and not classify all into 'groups' ....... but, in generalizations, the group thing must suffice some of the time.
Thanks for reading and your comments ... sorry I took so long to reply, my own article threads get lost to me sometimes.
The Holocaust had been represented differently prior to 1967 - to encourage immigration and pressure the West to support Israel.
See the article on "Holocaust Religion" on gather.
will be back later.....
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