Illegal immigrants... your thoughts?

hmm... I am not racist by NO means.. I just think they should be legal if they are going to be here.. I will say yes!

I voted yes also. I have no problem with people coming to our country as long as they do it legally.

You would not be a hypocrite unless you are illegal and voted yes?

They already have a wall there. My girlfriend call see it from her home -- it sounds like she lives on a hill; I have not visited her since she moved to AZ.

She tells me that immigrants climb OVER the wall, and that the higher it's built, the higher they climb, while the helicopters fly constantly overhead seeing ALL of this. . .

Tiffany you can't be racist aganist illegal aliens. They are not a race.

in the meantime the drug BIG RIGS bring the drugs through, and nothing is done about it. She seems to think officials KNOW what's in those big rigs, but that the problem is too big for ATF agents.

I voted yes.

Now if you said I don't want mexicans to come to the U.S. legal or not that would be racist.

I'd vote yes to the wall. I mean those coming from foriegn countries have to take tests and follow other regs or be deported , just because you cqan walk your happy butt across the border shouldn't matter. They should still be held to the same immagration standards as those that have to take boats or planes.

An afterthought: a person determined to DO something is difficult to stop. Motivate that person towards another goal, like maybe it's more advantageous to stay in your own country. Anybody think about that. Well, I know people have, but you cannot legislate those who yearn for a better way of life -- FREEDOM.

Didn't the Framers and early Colonists of this country prove that to the Brits?

I used to study immigration history (Civil War-era), so I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, I know that the country was essentially built by immigrants, so to deny people the ability to come here would be to go against what the country once was (a safe haven for the oppressed/poor/etc.).

At the same time, however, I think that there are significant problems with having completely open borders. There was a tight restriction on European immigration beginning around the late 19th and early 20th century (I'm a little fuzzy on exact dates), so there's certainly a good precedent for regulated immigration. I think that's the best policy to undertake.

Hey Faith!

I think you've started a REAL powerful dialogue here!

immagration is what started this country to intirely stop immagration is a slap in the face to the people who started america , but as Dawn stated regulated immagration is the best.Though how you go about doing that I think is what the goverment is having a problem understanding

Dawn nobody is denying anyone the right to come here. As long as they do it legally we welcome people to our country.

Colleen nobody said anything about stoping immagration all together ony illegal immagration.

I've not voted over there. I think immigration needs to be well-controlled and really think legal immigration is essential, but I'm not sure building a wall will work... and it's expensive as heck.

I voted yes as well.

My grandparents came here from Italy. When we were kids we were treated terribly by prejudice people. I think it is a sin. Every hard-working honest person should be given a chance as long as they take the proper procedures and pay taxes like we do... and not get on the welly. I voted no on this question.

I never said anyone said stopping immagration regulated immagration does in no means mean stopping it

heck if it wasnt for immagration I wouldn't be here. Both my parents are first generation americans

"On the one hand, I know that the country was essentially built by immigrants, so to deny people the ability to come here would be to go against what the country once was (a safe haven for the oppressed/poor/etc.)."

I feel this statement contains the real problem we are having with "ILLEGAL" immigration. Somehow people are missing the meaning of illegal. I am all for immigration but stand fast in knowing who and how many people are let in.....legally!

Sorry Colleen When I first read this statement you made

"immagration is what started this country to intirely stop immagration is a slap in the face to the people who started america"

I thought you were taking what people had said as to stop it all together.
Thank you for clarifing.

We all came here illegally. We did not, I repeat we did not ask the Native Americans for permission to come here.

We are hypocrites to demand it for others, especially when they come here to be able to provide the minimum needs of their families.

Absolutely not. We are already killing too many desparate people.

sharon

it's ok chris i was just staing i never meant stop no prob...

I am a 5th generation immigrant on my father's side, sort of, my the first generation married a Native American (confuuuuuusion).

My maternal great grandfather was Native American, so as their descendant, I'm saying:

All y'all GET OUT and go back to where you came from!

No, no -- of course I am just JOKING.

What to do with the children of undocumented workers who are born in this country?
Are they to be banished?

I'm telling you that the wall is NOT keeping people out. My girlfriend seeeees
people climbing it, and hopping over, into this country.

That is NOT working.

How much more tax $$$ would you like to spend on a "solution" that is not working?

Oh, while I was keying, my Girl rose to the occasion. . .Hi Sharon!

I agree with Sharon. Unless you are native american, you are here illegally. At the same time, letting anyone just walk through the doors at this point is a bad idea. We should make it economically beneficial for the country and for the immigrants to follow the rules. Saying that the immigrants are taking american jobs is BS. No white people in NY want to pick apples. The apple orchards have to hire immigrants to do the work. So, the immigrants get work, the apples get picked, and no white folks are pushed out of their job. There's got to be a way to handle this. I think racism is getting in the way of a solution.

I'd vote no.


IIRC, the US didn't control immigration till the mid 1870s. Before that it was a free for all. Since then we've had increasingly restrictive quotas. As others have pointed out, what we're doing now isn't working. One of those things is big fences and walls.

The first question to ask is "Why do people enter the US illegally?"

After we have a good answer for that one we can think about how to control illegal entry.

Right now there are a lot of people in this country who didn't enter legally. The "round 'em up and put 'em on a bus back to where they came from" solution is a little simplistic. We need to do something that is inexpensive, humane, and does the least harm to our economy. We've let the problem grow to the point that simple surgery isn't the answer.

Faith, I voted yes as well on that poll.

We are all descendants of someone who came here but my ancestors and yours came here legally

Thanks for the props Neeta, Joseph and Nippy.

I asked Russel Means for permission to stay here and he looked at me like I was nuts and then he laughed and thanked me because he had never heard of anyone doing that before.

A wall ... absolutely. Without a wall there is NO control. A real double wall with electronic surveillance does work. It is not as expensive as the increase in hospital overhead, health care, road repair, insurance premiums, school taxes to build, maintain and educate, cost to track, arrest, process, incarcerate etc, not to mention the ancillary expenses that come with the drug trafficking. We pay for the wall 1X, we pay for all of the above and more EVERY YEAR. Some have even paid with their life, what if that life was YOUR child .. getting expensive isn't it.

The drug cartels are here, I guess some of you think that is a good thing.

I want more control, don't care how we get it. There is a difference between saying, "Don't let people sneak into this country and live here illegally" and "Don't let people in here at all." I am not a racist, though frequently I get accused of that (usually I assume those accusing me are racially biased).

The problem is that, for one, we have allowed it with a wink and a nod, and those who believe it is a problem to address become fodder for late night talk show hosts and liberal columnists. They are painted as ignorant racist hypocrites who have no compassion for the huddled masses.

This country allows people to immigrate EVERY year. Many of them have waited their turn, participated in lotteries, or sent one family member over to have them earn the right to bring others. They have done everything by the book, the same way as a lot of forefathers (such as mine) had to do. Is it fair to THOSE huddled masses that if you can just get into Mexico and run like crazy across a fence you can live here and not worry about all the inconvenience?

Something needs to be done. It might not be higher walls. It might be someone with a machine gun every ten feet given the orders to shoot on sight. Yes, I went there. No, I'm not taking it back. If the deterrent is scary enough, it might make people think twice before breaking that law.

I have no problem with any ethnic group. We Americans come from everywhere. But I do say put up some kind of wall to keep out illegal immigration. Our ancestors that came over registered and became American Citizens, worked, payed taxes and didnt come over here expecting everything for nothing, they learned our language, didnt expect us to hire special teachers to teach in their language. They kept their culture in their own homes which I say is great. But did try to be a full fledged American in every way. I also think if they come here from anywhere they shoud only be allowed to call themselves Americans. Thats it.

I would have to vote yes.
I dont have a problem with them coming here, but they should do it the right way. I just had something like this posted about a week or two ago.

See... I have NO problems with people coming here legally... go through the process and you're in! What I do have a problem with is people who are here illegally collecting benefits, committing crimes and us having to pay for them!

Isn't there a process that if they go for benifits that they have a year to go through citzenship or something like that in order to maintain benifits?

No wall.

The process.

Yes!

No, that is not true Colleen. You need not wait a year.

Felix, are your photos coming out all of the way?

Okay, they just came in -- haha!

ok i was just asking I thought that if you applied for fedral aide or state welfare you had to go through citzenship process's

I hope people realize that it is not just people of Hispanic descent that enter this country illegally. I mention that because of the question -- wall along the Mexican border.

There are people who get here on ships from Asian (San Francisco I know), from Cuba, from Haiti and other isles. . .

How do you plan to deal with this?

Walls do not stop people getting here from the seas, do they.

Now what is that law in Florida. If you make it to dry land, you are HERE!

top 10 reasons to swamp the us http://projectusa.org/arguments/lots_of_room_in_country.php?code=1

Yes, Lady Nalita, they're coming out fully.

'Now what is that law in Florida. If you make it to dry land, you are HERE!'

Only if you're Cuban...if you're Haitian...back you go.

Two things come to mind. Your family must have come here legally.

I am one of the 58%. My feeling is stop the problem before it starts.

Faith that is my point too. They come here and live off our system, some commiting horrible crimes some not so horrible and that is where my problem is. Why should we be taking care of someone who is living here without the right to be? Go through the proper steps and all is good. But I dont think they should be able to live off of our system.
That is the point I was making in my post. How much we spend on them in a year. The bottom line number is sad and it shouldnt be even close to that.

YES ! Of course we need to build the fences to keep our economy from being plundered
by foreign countries currently ripping $45 Billion/year off of us in remittances, and another $62 Billion/yr, in human services payouts. This is one of the main reasons why are economy is sinking.
The border fence, nationally, is similar to the YOUR HOME'S FRONT DOOR (I hope you keep it locked), to keep burglars from removing your personal possessions.
Also, to prevent further overpopulation and its long list of harms (we became overpopulated about 85 years ago), the fences are essential. as is stronger border
control and immigration law enforcement (IRCA) at the workplaces. WE could sta that by California voters elimination illegal alien voting and impeaching Nancy Pelosi.

They should definitely not be allowed to live off OUR system! Why should we pay for them when we can't even provide adequate benefits for our own citizens?

I'm going to try to be very careful here... I've gotten myself in enough trouble the last few days.
I am a Boomertowne resident and I voted on this survey. I voted for no wall.
I guess I just don't see the point in a wall. If there's a mountain someone will climb it, so if there's a wall someone will climb it.
I guess the real question is why are they trying to get here at all being as we are now such a 'depressed' country? It used to be they came for jobs. Now all our jobs are moving there! Why aren't we crossing their border to get our jobs back?
I don't know. It just seems that everything is so out of whack! Jobs, health care, social security, companies being allowed to go bankrupt to get out of pension obligations, taxes, and the list goes on.
Are there answers? Is it all going to be fixed tomorrow, next year, the year after? I don't think anyone has the answers to that.

Both my parents went through the proper channels to become citizens, I don't quite understand why it should be okay for others not to.

Force companies to pay higher wages that meet the real cost of living so citizens can afford to take those jobs... Require proof of residency for anyone who wants a driver's license, Require companies to confirm citizenship before they hire anyone, become stricter about distributing social services... and maybe we won't need a wall.

Many tunnels that go from Mexico to the US used by drug cartel members have been found. A wall is not the answer.

Actually my mom's family who came here before the Revolutionary War didn't come here legally. They just got off the boat when it landed. Likewise my wife's father's family who came to California around the Horn from Europe during the gold rush. My wife isn't sure about her mother's family. Originally from Norway they entered the US through Canada around the turn of the 20th century. As far as anyone knows they just walked across the border and kept going till they got to South Dakota. My dad's parents went through Ellis Island. They were Jews.

Everyone's family most assuredly started in a foreign country. True, the pilgrims didn't ask the Indians permission to come here. I don't agree in anyone coming here illegally; especially if they are living off the system. I also don't agree to the white man pushing the Indians off of their land and only giving them reservations to live on. I wish everyone could live peacefully together; but, I know that will never happen. These are only my opinions. I don't intend to make anyone mad or anything.

If anyone doesn't think that walls work take a look at ANY prison in ANY country.

Since some are comparing this to the pilgrims, lets not stop there. Once we just went into another's humble abode and pick up a rock and WACK, then took what we wanted. I won't insult your interpretation of illegal aliens as long as the comparisons are valid.
We are not as think as you dumb we are.

Did you here, the Feds and cops have decided not to arrest any more criminals ever, since we can't catch them all ... why put up the wall.

Dan Cole - this is funny: "I say no to a Wall but Yes to a Mine Field!"

Eastern Europeans don't have a problem getting into this country and they can come anyway they wish legally or illegally...just as long as they get here. Refugees have to get in here legally, but, people seeking 'political asylum just need to get here.

That's the excuse that's used for allowing Cubans in illegally, but, not Haitians and Mexicans.

Before building the wall, fence or barrier...I suggest you tear down the Statue of Liberty. The 'New Colossus' is no more...unless, if you're European, of course.

If it walks like duck and quacks like a duck...

The Statue of Liberty is the most prominent testament to American idiocy in the 21st
century. This 19th century antique needed to go the way of the horse and buggy, long ago.
Correction to my previous post : Foreign countries are not ripping us off for only $45 Billion/year in remittances, that is merely the figure applied to ILLEGAL aliens here. The total remmittance loss we are suffering from Mexican citizens alone (legal & illegal), is over $100 Billion/year. If our economy's pocket continues to be picked by foreign countries, then "our" economy will, in all reality, be THEIR economy (partially, that already is the case).
if you let someone pick your pocket for $100/week every week, then $100 each week of "your" paycheck is actually theirs.

I don't think that a wall would do any good. They have walls in many areas and they either break through or go over.

I don't think it will help. I think it will be a waste of money.

Walls do work, just ask the warden at these institutions. Oh, by the way this is the small list.

Any questions? Ignorant is when someone doesn't know the facts. A dumb ass is someone who ignores the facts.

* Federal Correctional Complex, Beaumont, Beaumont, Texas
* Federal Correctional Complex, Butner, Butner, North Carolina
* Federal Correctional Complex, Coleman, Coleman, Florida
* Federal Correctional Complex, Petersburg, Petersburg, Virginia
* Federal Correctional Complex, Terre Haute, Terre Haute, Indiana
* Federal Correctional Institution, Allenwood, Montgomery, Pennsylvania
* Federal Correctional Institution, Ashland, Ashland, Kentucky
* Federal Correctional Institution, Bastrop, Bastrop, Texas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Beaumont, Beaumont, Texas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Beckley, Beaver, West Virginia
* Federal Correctional Institution, Big Spring, Big Spring, Texas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Butner, Butner, North Carolina
* Federal Correctional Institution, Coleman, Coleman, Florida
* Federal Correctional Institution, Cumberland, Cumberland, Maryland
* Federal Correctional Institution, Danbury, Danbury, Connecticut
* Federal Correctional Institution, Dublin, Dublin, California
* Federal Correctional Institution, Edgefield, Edgefield, South Carolina
* Federal Correctional Institution, El Reno, El Reno, Oklahoma
* Federal Correctional Institution, Elkton, Elkton, Ohio
* Federal Correctional Institution, Englewood, Lakewood, Colorado
* Federal Correctional Institution, Estill, Estill, South Carolina
* Federal Correctional Institution, Fairton, Fairton, New Jersey
* Federal Correctional Institution, Florence, Florence, Colorado
* Federal Correctional Institution, Forrest City, Forrest City, Arkansas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Fort Dix, Fort Dix, New Jersey
* Federal Correctional Institution, Gilmer, Glenville, West Virginia
* Federal Correctional Institution, Greenville, Greenville, Illinois
* Federal Correctional Institution, Herlong, Herlong, California

FCI Herlong minimum camp.
FCI Herlong minimum camp.
FCI Herlong medium security housing.
FCI Herlong medium security housing.

* Federal Correctional Institution, Jesup, Jesup, Georgia
* Federal Correctional Institution, La Tuna, Anthony, New Mexico-Texas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Lompoc, Lompoc, California
* Federal Correctional Institution, Loretto, Loretto, Pennsylvania
* Federal Correctional Institution, Manchester, Manchester, Kentucky
* Federal Correctional Institution, Marianna, Marianna, Florida
* Federal Correctional Institution, McKean, Bradford, Pennsylvania
* Federal Correctional Institution, Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee
* Federal Correctional Institution, Mendota, Mendota, California
* Federal Correctional Institution, Miami, Miami, Florida
* Federal Correctional Institution, Milan, Milan, Michigan
* Federal Correctional Institution, Morgantown, Morgantown, West Virginia
* Federal Correctional Institution, Oakdale, Oakdale, Louisiana
* Federal Correctional Institution, Otisville, Otisville, New York
* Federal Correctional Institution, Oxford, Oxford, Wisconsin
* Federal Correctional Institution, Pekin, Pekin, Illinois
* Federal Correctional Institution, Phoenix, Phoenix, Arizona
* Federal Correctional Institution, Ray Brook, North Elba, New York
* Federal Correctional Institution, Safford, Safford, Arizona
* Federal Correctional Institution, Sandstone, Sandstone, Minnesota
* Federal Correctional Institution, Schuylkill, Minersville, Pennsylvania
* Federal Correctional Institution, Seagoville, Seagoville, Texas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Sheridan, Sheridan, Oregon
* Federal Correctional Institution, Talladega, Talladega, Alabama
* Federal Correctional Institution, Tallahassee, Tallahassee, Florida
* Federal Correctional Institution, Terminal Island, Terminal Island, California
* Federal Correctional Institution, Texarkana, Texarkana, Texas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Three Rivers, Three Rivers, Texas
* Federal Correctional Institution, Tucson, Tucson, Arizona
* Federal Correctional Institution, Victorville, Adelanto, California
* Federal Correctional Institution, Waseca, Waseca, Minnesota
* Federal Correctional Institution, Yazoo City, Yazoo City, Mississippi
* Federal Detention Center, Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii
* Federal Detention Center, Houston, Houston, Texas
* Federal Detention Center, Miami, Miami, Florida
* Federal Detention Center, Oakdale, Oakdale, Louisiana
* Federal Detention Center, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
* Federal Detention Center, SeaTac, Seattle, Washington
* Federal Medical Center, Carswell, Fort Worth, Texas
* Federal Medical Center, Devens, Devens, Massachusetts
* Federal Medical Center, Fort Worth, Fort Worth, Texas
* Federal Medical Center, Lexington, Lexington, Kentucky
* Federal Medical Center, Rochester, Rochester, Minnesota
* Federal Prison Camp, Alderson Alderson, West Virginia
* Federal Prison Camp, Allenwood, Montgomery, Pennsylvania
* Federal Prison Camp, Bryan, Bryan, Texas
* Federal Prison Camp, Devens, Devens, Massachusetts
* Federal Prison Camp, Duluth, Duluth, Minnesota
* Federal Prison Camp, Eglin, Eglin, Florida
* Federal Prison Camp, Leavenworth, Leavenworth, Kansas
* Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery, Montgomery, Alabama
* Federal Prison Camp, Nellis, North Las Vegas, Nevada
* Federal Prison Camp, Pensacola, Pensacola, Florida
* Federal Prison Camp, Seymour Johnson, Goldsboro, North Carolina
* Federal Prison Camp, Yankton, Yankton, South Dakota
* Federal Secure Low La Tuna, El Paso, Texas
* Federal Transfer Center, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
* Medical Center for Federal Prisoners, Springfield, Springfield, Missouri
* Metropolitan Correctional Center, Chicago, Chicago, Illinois
* Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York, New York, New York
* Metropolitan Correctional Center, San Diego, San Diego, California
* Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New York
* Metropolitan Detention Center, Guaynabo, Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
* Metropolitan Detention Center, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
* United States Penitentiary, Allenwood, Montgomery, Pennsylvania
* United States Penitentiary, Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia
* United States Penitentiary, Atwater, Atwater, California
* United States Penitentiary, Beaumont, Beaumont, Texas
* United States Penitentiary, Big Sandy, Inez, Kentucky
* United States Penitentiary, Coleman, Coleman, Florida
* United States Penitentiary, Florence, Florence, Colorado
* United States Penitentiary, Leavenworth, Leavenworth, Kansas
* United States Penitentiary, Lee, Jonesville, Virginia
* United States Penitentiary, Lewisburg, Lewisburg, Pennsylvania
* United States Penitentiary, Lompoc, Lompoc, California
* United States Penitentiary, Marion, Marion, Illinois
* United States Penitentiary, McCreary, McCreary County, Kentucky
* United States Penitentiary, Pollock, Pollock, Louisiana
* United States Penitentiary, Terre Haute, Terre Haute, Indiana
* United States Penitentiary, Victorville, Victorville, California

They also have a fence on the Mexican border near San Diego, and it has been working
magnificently for years. Same thing with the fences built in Israel.

Most people here in America came here from another country at some point, or anscestors did at least. So, I have no problem with people coming here from other countries, as long as they do it LEGALLY!! Where we live, there is a HUGE problem with illegals (not just from Mexico, but from other countries as well) and many of them are able to collect welfare benefits and take our tax dollars, when they aren't even here legally. Something is wrong with that!

I say YES, My tax dollars go to feed them and there family. My tax dollars go to cloth there kids, My tax dollars go to thew schools to teach the kids, My tax dollars go to the pay the cops the jails and the lawlers if the do bad, My tax dollars go to there healthcare while they are here, My tax dollars go to the people who job it is to keep these people out, My tax dollars could go to something better.

My tax dollars could go to better the schools, roads, or our health care. And to build a wall would make for Americans to have a job.

And yes I know that all of us had family in our past how there not born in this country. They came to America to get a job to work and feed there kids to better themselfs. They learned to speak our words to read our words and to become apart of us. I say enuff is enuff we must put a stop to it build a wall let some in at a time and make sure we can care for those peole we all ready have..

Do you know that there are parts of the us that people do not have running water in there homes. That an out house is in use... that is where my tax doillars need to go..