In the interest of cutting the crap, lets just get one thing out of the way.
There's been a sort of running feud lately between the Bush Administration's private publicists (also known as the Fox News Network), and a majority of the people in the world who watch the news and who regularly exercise brain activity. The debate centers on whether or not the civil war that's ocurring in Iraq should, in fact, be referred to as a civil war. Now, if anyone out there is still undecided, or, for some strange reason, is still inclined to just take the President's word for it; allow me to help you along. I would suggest picking up a newspaper or simply tuning in to any 24 hour cable news network for an hour or so, take note of the reporting on the situation in Iraq, and just commit that information to your short-term memory bank for a moment..... Got it?..... Good.
Now read this: Link to definition of "civil war."
In case you missed the significant similarities between the content of that definition and what is happening in Iraq right now, I'll highlight a couple of points.
- "A civil war is a war in which parties of the same culture, society, or nationality fight for political power or control of an area." In other words; exactly what is happening in Iraq.
- "Political scientists use two criteria: The warring groups must be from the same country and fighting for control of the political center, control over a seperatist state, or to force a major change of policy". It's uncanny, isn't it?
- "The second criterion is at least 1000 people must have been killed in total, with at least a total of 100 from each side." The "sectarian violence" in Iraq surpasses those numbers every month.
Seems to me like Wikipedia could have been referring specifically to Iraq when they wrote that definition!
For the sake of fairness, I sought an alternative source for a second opinion, as to how one might define a "civil war".
Webster's New World Dictionary- civil war: war between geographical sections or political factions of the same nation.
Well, not exactly the most descriptive, but certainly an accurate depiction of what's going on in Iraq. The opposing religious sects could absolutely be referred to as "political factions" in this case. After all, we're dealing with a part of the world where most people make no distinction between politics and religion. Polls taken after the highly touted "democratic elections" showed that Iraqi's voted overwhelmingly along sectarian lines. What's more; despite the best efforts of the Bush Administration, the Iraqi people elected a decidedly uncooperative, anti-American, Shiite death squad-friendly government. Perhaps reflective of the fact that now nearly two-thirds of Iraqi civilians claim to be supportive of attacks on U.S. troops. For an article on U.S. behind the scenes involvement in the 2005 Iraq elections, click here.
So, I guess the big question now is: "Why is the White House and Fox News still denying that it is, indeed, a civil war?" Well, my best guess would be that by conceding that; they would then have to reconcile that fact with their unwillingness to get our troops out and just leave the Iraqi's to it. Of course, they are keenly aware of the public's disdain for the war, and the Administrations shoddy execution of it. To publicly admit to the grim prognosis would be to invite a firestorm of national outcry that would jeopardize the Bush/Cheney doctrine of "stay the course no matter what", as well as to admit to near total failure of the policy thus far.
Besides, it's against Bush Administration domestic policy to deal in honest, non-politicized dialogue. Baseless rhetoric and meaningless slogans are the official protocol. We should be used to it by now.


Comments: 36
Exactly my point, Don. Denying the obvious truth - no matter how unsettling - makes Americans look like idiots to the rest of the world, and potentially jeopardizes what international prestige and credibility we have left. I also don't see how calling it what it is could make the situation any worse.
I also agree that we need a serious stratagy change in Iraq, but I don't think we should pull out. I also agree that the Bush administration, even though I support them, should be a little more honest with the American people.
Emma, instead of attacking me, why not attack the arguments. Or is it that personal attacks are the only arguments you have. Is it hard to admit that you have been bested by a "high school drop out?"
And I never voted for Bush. I was too young at the last presidential election.
I never claimed that Clinton was totally free of blame, either, by the way.
For all of Bush's "ass-kicking", were worse off than before 9/11. There's more terrorists now than there were then, and our ports and borders are a revolving door for anyone who wants to come here to train to fly an airliner into buildings. The Bush Administration had plenty of heads-up about the 9/11 attacks, yet NORAD claims that they were caught completely off guard on 9/11. Why is that? Perhaps Bush/Cheney were hoping for a good reason to clear the way for Haliburton to set up shop. For a detailed timeline of the pre-9/11 intelligence warnings,
For a detailed timeline of the pre-9/11 intelligence warnings, click here
You would think that Bush would have heard that in A.A. meetings; "the definition of insanity is to repeat the same behavior and to expect different results."
Keep comin' back, George B.; it works if you work it.
It is unfortunate that Clinton and Bush did not take the threats seriously. But what do you expect? Be honest, would any of you ever have expected what happened on 9-11? NO! We did not know the real nature of terrorists, nor did we know that
they could carry out a plan that was that complex.
Joe, I agree that we need a change of plans in Iraq. However, I would not call the situation over there a civil war.
And to answer your question, Ty; if I had access to the information in the link I posted for you (as President's Clinton and Bush did), then yes. I would have expected what happened on 9/11.
I agree that the American people should be vigilant, and I agree that we should not depend on the Government. God knows they can hardly get anything done. But the Gov. has some of the best intel in the world, and they have some of the best people in the world working on it.
I doubt that you would have preidcted what happened on 9-11. You are looking at the situation in a post 9-11 world. Never before had anyone ever seen an attack like 9-11, and there was no way anyone could have predicted it. We probably thoght it was going to be a traditional hijacking, like what we had seen before.
But if terrorists have had 5 years to attack us, why havent they? If we are so vulnerable, why havent they exploited our weaknesses? Its because they can't. We might not have a perfect system in place, but its good enough to stop the terrorists.
Once again, nobody could have anticipated the 9-11 attacks. Everybody believed that it was going to be a traditional hijacking, if they were to attack at all. We had no idea that they were going to use jumbo jets as guided missiles to attack the WTC and the Pentagon. Our governemnt is not filled with fortune tellers who can predict the future.
They were warned more than just in the summer of '01; as the link in one of my earlier comments shows. Bush and his people had known right from the start that al qaeda was planning something big - and they had recieved what in retrospect were stunningly accurate details as to the exact nature of the threat. Hijacked commercial airliners, symbols of American financial and military strength, targets in the U.S. that "stand out", etc..
With all of the information that was recieved, it's inconcievable that the commanders at NORAD were caught completely off guard by the attacks. One would think that terms for applying the proper rules of engagement would have been worked out, just in case. Even if they didn't have enough intelligence (as they claim) to have anticipated what would happen, just the nature of the threat called for at least some mind of protocol arrangement for NORAD.
He was, as it turned out, a near zero threat to his neighbors or to us...
Whether it's a civil war or not, it's nasty and I don't feel at all comfortable that Gates has the foggies notion of how to fix it. His constant refrain in the hearings was that he would "talk to the commanders on the ground." Either no one has done that until now, and why not, and what are they going to tell him that they haven't said already?
Ty Phoon, don't worry about your spelling, just watch your back, and get back safely.