Joe Wilson Shouldn't have apologized, and McCain Sucks!

Wow, the lefties came out fast. What fun.

At least the left waited until the speech was finished.

When did they wait? We have to wait while lies are being told? Is patience the only virtue above truth?

Which LIE are you refering to Carol?

I am not Lefty Carol so You can forget that...
He should have never did that ......And for you to say that is ok ....I would never want my children to be taught that>>>>>

It was RUDE No matter how you look at .....time and a place for everything.


We the People Have Respect for the Presidency ..... Some I guess will never have it... Too bad ....Please do not teach our children this!!!

Thanks for posting. Let's not get caught up in the rudeness (as was done to Bush) but research the issue. Obviously Wilson knew a lot more than Obama was ready to reveal. Isn't he on one of the committees working on the "plan"?

Yes, he was on the committee that the Republicans tried to get an amendment with wording asking for proof of "legal citizenship" and the dems kicked it out.

One has to wonder, why the amendment wasn't allowed if Obama is on the up and up about no payment to "undocumented" aliens. He lied and Wilson knew it!

I knew he knew it was a lie and now I know why he could not hold it in.

"Let's not get caught up in the rudeness"!!???
roflmao

Republicans can do whatever they want ... Remember their the Rich who do not want you to have the same kind of health insurance as they do..


Its ok to hackle A democrat Presdient but not ok for A Republican.. Go Figure..

Guess you forgto Reid's remark to Bush.

Rich guys? Hey check out the Multi millionaire Dems!

Perhaps there's a reason you don't recognize an ill-bred moment when you see it. It's considered ill-mannered and unprofessional, poor behavior in that type of venue-no matter who did it. McCain was not the only member of the Republican party told him to apologize. Republican party heads didn't give Wilson a choice. It was not a good thing for the GOP.

There is a certain set of rules of decorum. Wilson behaved he was at a Town Hall Meeting and he was talking to the Mayor of Kobunk. This is The President of the United State of America. Mr. Wilson's actions were disgusting, improper, against rules and disgust. I am writing in favor of censuring him.

As for you and your bigoted words. Grow up...or maybe evolve is the better term.

I think we're actually agreeing here.

So kiss George Bush if you are so concerned with decorum. You lefties showed him no respect but demand respect for Obama? No no.

You righties cried about no respect for Bush, but give Obama far less far sooner. No no .

Respect for Bush ....That s not the point..
The Point is RESPECT FOR THE Presidentcy not Obama or Bush..
Please I had respect for Bush till he f******us over...

Oh, you mean like fighting a war, killng innocent people?

Maybe you better fuss at Obama now.

We have terrorists out there! 9/11 remember?

Wilson's a purblind idjit, but the fools who started jeering and cat-calling were just ridiculous. What did those dolts think? That they were at some local-yokel tea party where behaving like moonbats would be acceptable? That was no tea party, and stomping, jeering and cat-calling weren't gonna get far. The President did it just right - talked over it as if it wasn't even happening.

Those who booed, weren't they the Dems?

Well, I think there was some "noise or jeering" before he yelled out, and then after, the Dems booed - I think. When I looked/listened to it on You Tube - that was my take.

Some also dug up some of Bush's addresses to Congress, and there were some jeering moments, but no recognizable yelling of words.

You're seriously hunting up weak u-2's to try to justify this lying screamer!?

Anyone caught trying to rationalize this behavior immediately loses all credibility. You blind ideologues would try to justify him eating his own children. It's pathetic.

Well, Guy. If you read my ENTIRE post it was informational, not judgmental or defensive. Just the facts. Hello...

BTW, the President was right AND wrong on the issue in question. There will be no direct access to any public insurance for illegals. By the same token, the poison pill amendment you self-righteous folks and your sanctimonious Senators and Representatives tried to insert won't be there (and you knew it wouldn't). No hospital association or medical association is going to stand for being made to perform citizenship investigations on every first time patient.

So it got voted down, and you get to be smug about that. Goody for you. It's a small, mean victory. Enjoy it.

So, guess you don't bother to take your social security card or health card or drivers's license. They already ask for documentation! DUH!

Nora - yet again you exhibit your immense ignorance. Illegal aliens HAVE driver's licenses and SS cards. That's how many of them get hired by unsuspecting employers. Granted, they are illegally obtained. But to expect an emergency room staff to ask a sick patient to wait while they did an exhaustive check - and by everyone's admission the databases are not reliable and it takes a lot of time to perform - is absolutely absurd. It is against all ethics and the Hypocratic oath that medical professionals take.

I would love to see you go in for emergency treatment and have to sit around for hours while they make sure you are legally here.

The ignorance is astounding. Really.

A grown adult man yelling out...yep, just a proper thing to do isn't it.

I know 4 year olds who don't interrupt another person.

You go girl..

So true!!!!

I think there should be a certain standard of behavior when the President of the United States is giving a formal speech. I'd rather not see Rs stoop to the level of the Ds from the Bush era.

The D's weren't rude and disrespectful during his state of the union two years in a row 04-05. They were just expressing their exuberance at his comments. That wasn't disrespect.

Don't ya know.

The dems not rude? Wasn't it a Dem who Obama just kicked off being a Czar for being a bigoted name caller?

If anyone is a liar, it's Joe Wilson.

Read the Bill. It's not in there.

Where's the amendment requesting proof of being a legal citizenship?

Obama lied AGAIN!

There never was a "loophole" in H.R. 3200. It clearly exempts non-citizens from the requirement to obtain insurance and it clearly prohibits non-citizens from participating in the affordable public option.

The "amendments" offered in committee were attempts to tack on a national photo-id requirement and to put the verification of citizenship under the jurisdiction of separate states. H.R. 3200 sanely keeps the verification under the federal jurisdiction of the Secretary, and prevents the right-wing attempt to attach another back-door, liberty-stealing rider.

Your credibility is below 0.

Don't confuse a baby with her hands over her ears with the facts!

I suppose Mr. Wilson got confused and thought he was at a town hall meeting.

He'd had his belly full of the lies.

Perhaps Julia should attend a town hall meeting so she knows what's going on in this coutnry.

Perhaps you should jump off the end of a dock.

Now isn't that childish? And you were disssing Wilson....

Shouting out like that during the President's speech was in poor taste.

The message was technically accurate, but the manner in which it was delivered was inappropriate.

Well....how much respect does a liar deserve?

The President deserves respect. We (Republicans) are the same people who were screaming about disrespect just a few years ago, and I am NOT going to be a hypocrite about it. The US elected him, and while it is great to disagree with him, there is a level of respect that needs to be afforded the office.

Like you respected Pres BUsh?

Not this bad and not this soon.

Nora ex President bush did not warrant the respect he received. He should have been impeached and should have been thrown in jail along with his junta.

Be honest...if President Obama had been in office on 911 and had gone to war under the same pretext with the same results, would you have called for impeachment?

AC so I ask you the same technically accurate question.

If an illegal alien is injured in this country, should that person recieve medical attention?

Bush earned the disrespect he received over years through lies that led to wars and thousands of deaths, amongst other transgressions. All Obama did to receive the bile (far worse than anything Bush ever received) was get elected.

"If an illegal alien is injured in this country, should that person recieve medical attention?"

That person is a criminal, and should be afforded the minimum care necessary to preserve life. At that point, the criminal proceedings should begin. But that's not what's happening now, and it's not what will happen with universal coverage.

Yeah, let's ask doctors and nurses to be immigration agents, police and prosecutors while we're at it. Or maybe just turn all hospitals into police stations, courthouses and prisons.

Such pretzel logic.

Or here's a thought: how about we have the medical professionals do their jobs and preserve life, and notify law enforcement / ICE so that they can then do their jobs. Come on folks, this isn't that hard.

OOOOh, like if they suspect a child has been abused, they call the cops to investigate. Saaaayyy, that is a novel idea!

Yes, Wilson should have apologized and so should you. Like it or not, Obama was elected by us, the American people and he deserves more respect than what Wilson gave him. It seems to me that if you wanted things in America to get better you'd offer reasoned agrument for the policies you support or nothing at all. Insults will get you little other than more insults.

He didn't get the vote of 47% of the nation. And in his speech he insulted all of those who are wanting to be heard.

That's okay, "pay backs are fun".

Not by me.

Hey Linda, I missed it, when did someone call Bush a liar will he was addressing congress? I don't recall that. I know I never did it. In any case, I don't think two wrongs make a right.

Nora, how did Obama insult all of those wanting to be heard?

His negative remarks about the "dissenters".. That's okay, only 3 more years....

Hey Nora, I don't recall a reference to dissenters but I did miss the first few minutes of the speech. I look it it up the the whitehouse web site, http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-a-Joint-Session-of-Congress-on-Health-Care/ but I couldn't find "dissenters" anywhere in the text. Did I miss it?

Anyway, your right about only 3 more years, but with any luck and if a few more people putting country before party, people before corporations, I"m hoping we'll see a lot of improvement by the end of 4 years.

". Look at the polls and see what "US" are doing? "

Hey Ramona, we did that back in November and we both know who won. Let's stick to the constitution and go with this president until the next election and we'll see who wins that one.

If a Democrat had yelled "You Lie" to George W. Bush as he spoke about yellow cake uranium, mobile weapons factories or phantom connections between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein before a joint session of Congress, Republicans would have been accusing him of treason.

However, now that the shoe is on the other foot Republicans are adamant that all the hatred and venom that it took George Bush seven years to earn from many Americans and political opponents should be heaped on Barack Obama BEFORE he has the opportunity to earn any portion of it, and to ratchet up the level of hatred and anger by a factor of ten while doing it.

Obama tries to spearhead an overhaul of the American health care system, something almost every president in 70 years has had a stab at, and the Republicans and their supporters are carrying guns to public meetings he attends and yelling out insults in places and during events that DEMAND decorum.

If a Democrat had brought a gun to meeting where Bush was speaking not only would he not have been allowed out of the segregated "free speech zone" but he might have found himself on a secret flight to Gitmo or some third world secret prison and branded a terrorist.

But I guess now that the president is black its okay to carry guns and hurl insults at him. Why don't you troglodytes just carry a lynching rope? It's what you want to do, after all.

REid did call out "liar"....

That's a racist thing to say, and I didn't call you a troglodyte, because my mom told me to ignore people of lesser intelligence.

Yes, that Steven L. Anderson congregation member was black. You know Steven Anderson-the one who said our President should die.

I'm pretty much going to second Rory's comment.

Socialist huh?

Nora, you wouldn't know a socialist if one bit you on the butt.

I hope her insurance covers that...

LOL

Tried to follow your link to the list of lies, but blogspot says I don't have permission to read it.

So carol, If an illegal alien is hit by a car in your hometown and is dying on the street....should that person be taken to a hospital or be left to die?

Taken to the hospital, treated, deported to Mexico with his bill to his government.

Louis,
Did you come in on a space ship from Ninconland? I mean what the heck are you talking about? In regards to your question, I would fix 'em up and ship 'em out.

Good one, Linda.

why does the person have to be from Mexico? Isn't that a bit judgemental?

and excuse me, my son's girlfriend is from Mexico, born there and moved to US this past yr under a student's visa.

She is going to college to be an attorney, she wants to fight against people like you.

Hope she don't get hit by a car, you probably spit on her as they took her to the hospital because automatically you think because she was mexican she was here illegal.

More important to the question of whether 'illegal aliens' should get medical care is this: if any of the millions of undocumented foreign nationals living in the USA get the swine flu this fall and do not receive treatment, then the rest of you are in greater danger as a result.

Go ahead, cut off your nose to spite your face.

Very Christ-like, Linda and Carol.

Emergency care is available to everyone, including criminals. After the alien recovers he must be deported immediately.

Wow if that does not sound like being Racist and Hate I don't know what is???
SHAME ON YOU !!! We will never get rid of Hate and Racists with a Statement like that.
It could go the other way with you too.....maybe if your ancestors stayed where they were you would not be getting hit by my CAR!!

and Carol as you are in a truth telling mode then I assume that it will be OK to appoint a special prosecutor to look into the last 8 years of torture? right up to the oval office? right?

Get a life louis.

Louis,
After the video of Acorn comes out, and the rest of the Illinois good old boys are investigated, there won't be time to investigate Bush.

Yeah, sure, let's put the cart before the hosre. Investigating alleged illegal election fund raising is more important than investigating illegal activity on the part of the president.

Give your head a shake. Better yet, just bang if off the wall a few dozen times.

The past is history, tomorrow is a mystery, we have the present of today!

Live in the present Rory! Do something now about what is going on now!

You'll have less to drink about.

Haven't drank alcohol in more than 20 years, BTW. (A religious choice.)

By your logic, let's let everyone who committed murder walk free. After all, it was in the past. Live in the present.

The past is the past I am sorry its not because Obama has to undo what Bush did in the past ..

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Here's another link to Obama lies. Sorry the first one didn't work. There are so many.

Carol, I appreciate your articles, but you know as well as I do, that only a handful of Gather's radical left, will give you the negative feedback as shown above.

The left refuses to look at truth, if it in any way, denigrates the mighty mouthpiece.

If Jesus were to return tomorrow, they'd mass in great numbers, calling him a nutcase and try to crucify Him again. Of course, WE know how far they'd get THIS time. Not very far at all. Oh, how I look forward to that Day.

As for the lie... and it is a lie, due to the bill's "plausible deniability". What is the lie? This bill, like most all other hand out bills, demands proof of citizenship to receive benefits. This bill lacks the part that questions citizenship. THAT is the lie and it's intentional, by not only Mighty Mouth, but by all Dems too. The reps have tried to insert the wording, but the dems keep denying it.

I should have said...'This bill UNlike most all other hand out bills......"

Thanks Dale,
I love the voice of reason, and your bird is pretty, too.

Another loon Jonesing for Armageddon. Boy, would you be in for a great surprise should it come about.

Rory, didn't your mamma ever tell you it was RUDE to say negative things about someone religious belief?

Shame on you

I respect everyone's right to believe what they will. But that does not mean I have to respect what those beliefs are, especially if they profess to know the will of God.

They do not.

Er, this link goes to an article that debunks most of the "lies" in the list. Snopes is pretty good about researching this sort of thing.

In his speech to Congress Wednesday, President Barack Obama said the changes to health care that he's proposing "would not apply to those who are here illegally." That prompted Wilson, a South Carolina Republican, to shout "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber. Wilson later apologized for the outburst, but he didn't back down from his claim.

THE FACTS: The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants

One version in the House does prohibit using federal money for illegals. But that same bill offers no provisions for verifying the citizenship status of ANYONE seeking care. So, if no one's checking, how do you keep illegals from benefiting?

AC and so I ask again...if an illegal alien is hit by a car, or shot or injured while mowing your lawn....should that person be taken to a hospital for treatment or be left to die on the streets? and then what do you do with the body?

and no, saying they 'should have stayed in Mexico' is not an answer. Noone is going to give illegal aliens healthcare as in insurance!

Send them back on a stretcher with bill in hand, present to their country's "Accounts Payable" Deny any foodbank aide until the foreingers' medical bills are paid to the U.S.

Next question.

Maybe that's what those socialist countries should do with American citizens working in their countries. Apparently none of those tyrannical socialist monarchies have learned the lessons of christian compassion you have to share. They cover non-citizen Americans without question, without complaint, and without cost. What barbarians!

You have neither shame, nor credibility.

"AC and so I ask again...if an illegal alien is hit by a car, or shot or injured while mowing your lawn....should that person be taken to a hospital for treatment or be left to die on the streets?"

See answer above.

Well Guy, don't know what countries you've been traveling to. That's not what I've heard.

I knew it was going to come to something like this, so I didn't vote for either of those wannabes.

Maybe Joe Wilson would make a good prez, but we would have to get him past the Illuminatti.

Support ignorance and mediocrity!!

Now you are talking Carol...

Congressman Wilson has shamed himself, his state and his party. His total lack of self-control puts into serious question his emotional ability to make level-headed, prudent decisions for our country. He will forever be known for this stupid, disrespectful act.

Of more than 535 people present in that room, HE was the only one who couldn't hold his temper and couldn't act in the dignified manner that has existed in that Hall for more than 200 years.

It's time for Mr. Wilson to step aside so that a more mature, and stronger, candidate can take over. Iraq war veteran Rob Miller is just the candidate that South Carolina needs at this time.

Miller, a former Marine Corps captain and Beaufort County resident who is running against Wilson again, said supporters donated $400,000 to him in 19 hours — between 9:30 p.m. Wednesday and 5:30 p.m. Thursday.

“As a former Marine, I was always trained to respect the chain of command,” Miller said. “I was surprised that Congressman Wilson would disrespect the commander in chief on national television. His actions really exemplify everything that’s wrong in Washington. Shouting and name-calling have no place when we’re dealing with such important issues.”

Well said sir. And thank you for your service to our nation.

Thank you for posting this article to our group, Barack Obama's Presidential Appointments, Bills and Policies.

http://obamasupporters.gather.com/

Well said, by you and by the candidate. Good luck to him.

Soon as Biden does.

That about sums it up Ramona.

Is it hard to type with that sheet over your head?

Gotta love it. Perhaps it is the light from the burning cross that allows them to see through the sheet.

Vicky, get a life, YOU are the one who brought up race.

This is not about race it is about policy. Sssshhheeeesh

No, Carol brought up race in her second sentence claiming that decorum in the halls of Congress, expected since before the building was constructed, was a new phenomenon based on the race of the president.

I agree with Vicki take the pointed white hats off!!! Shame.. I bet you ll end up putting a burning Cross in front of his home too.

that pointed white hat has the word DUNCE on it.

LMAO

It's ok to disagree with the President and even think he's a liar, but it's definitely NOT ok to interrupt a presidential speech. That was poor, and even more poor was that he only apologized because some higher senators urged him to do so....poor behavior all around.

Very poor behaviour is being encouraged, and even supported, on the right at present. They think it is "mavericky".

WS so right ... Go Mavericks !! Show your HATE !! Yes it finally came to the surface ... Take witch hunts some where else THEY DO NOT BELONG ON GATHER>>>

guess the south bronx has done riz again.

it's funny Carol, I betcha you call yourself a fine Christian too! well you have indeed been indoctrinated!!

I love how the illegal is from Mexico.
how you would still give that illegal in dire straights healthcare . SO CAROL IS FOR GIVING HEALTHCARE TO ILLEGAL ALLIENS!
*Carol ~Bronx Southern Belle D. Sep 10, 2009, 11:16pm EDT
Louis,
Did you come in on a space ship from Ninconland? I mean what the heck are you talking about? In regards to your question, I would fix 'em up and ship 'em out.


So South Bronx Carol once fancied Queen....what is the lie Obama told?

and when on earth has stupidity been such a commodity in this country!

God help us all.

Curious, what is the largest percentage of illegals currently in our country?

What country?

Wonder what would happen if Jesus appeared in the U.S. and got hit by a car. He was dark-skinned. Hope he'd get treatment.

And Jesus was not an American and would not have any valid current citizenship papers to present at the border. By definition he would be an illegal alien. He'd probably be working as a fruit picker on a farm somewhere for slave wages and have insults and slurs heaped on him by Republicans who go to church every Sunday and believe they are Christians.

aw wants meye country baaack!

back from where?

SO CAROL IS FOR GIVING HEALTHCARE TO ILLEGAL ALLIENS!

*Carol ~Bronx Southern Belle D. Sep 10, 2009, 11:16pm EDT
Louis,
Did you come in on a space ship from Ninconland? I mean what the heck are you talking about? In regards to your question, I would fix 'em up and ship 'em out.

WHAT THEN IS THE LIE? that there is NO HEALTHCARE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS ?THAT REPUBLICANS WANT TO HAVE ILLEGALS DIE ON THE STREETS? CAROL?

I'm not for illegal immigration either dear but, they are here and they are human and like you, I don't want them to mooch off my country and send the money back to wherever they are from! or collect services that are due to those born or immigrated here legally!

The difference, dear, is that I am not using immigrants as a straw man!


STOP hiring them to clean up your gardens or build additions or watch your! You want to get rid of illegal immigration? START BY PUNISHING THOSE COMPANIES THAT HIRE THEM! SUPPLY AND DEMAND! START PAYING A LIVING WAGE SO AMERICANS CAN WORK AT MENIAL LABOR!

CAROL? is there anything in there other than hate? Can you think...a little?

Ditto!

So true!!

CAROL WANTS TO GIVE ILLEGAL ALIENS HEALTHCARE!

hahahaha

BTW CAROL....I agree he should not have apologized....by the Republican's own rules he should be censured!

FROM THE COMMITTEE ON RULES, REPUBLICAN for the Senate and Congress:

"The precedents of the House allow a wide latitude in criticism of the President, other executive officials, and the government itself. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO USE LANGUAGE THAT IS PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE TO THE PRESIDENT, SUCH AS REFERRING TO HIM AS A 'HYPOCRITE' OR A 'LIAR.' Similarly, it is not in order to refer to the President as “intellectually dishonest” or an action taken by the President as 'cowardly.' References to the Vice President, in spite of his role as President of the Senate, are measured against the standard used for the President rather than prior standards used to govern the Senate."

Here is the website: http://rules-republicans.house.gov/Educational/Read.aspx?ID=5

Dishonorable Joe needs to be censured, thrown out.

Wow, I did not know that. Great post Louis.

Thank you for this, Louis! Mind if I borrow it?

I guess it's wrong to tell the truth in America now that we have a black president.

Carol, I'd love to hear your justification for why Obama's race has anything to do with this.

She keeps saying her articles are not hate or racists.. but she keeps putting her foot in her mouth.

Short and sweet to just have to read til the 2nd sentence to find out where the poster is REALLY coming from.
" I guess it's wrong to tell the truth in America now that we have a black president."
She really didn't even need 16 of those words to say what she meant!

and the scary thing is that she will deny she wrote that, that that isn't what she meant, that everyone here is seeing racist remarks when she has sooo many black friends. (that is her excuse each time...and she really can't figure out why people come down on her..Bunker must have been her role model growing up)

Oh, and your Snopes link? It's an article that debunks almost all of those 50 claims that Obama lied. Many of the "lies" attributed to Obama in that suspect email forward could not even be attributed to anything he said!

I'd love for Carol to debunk the following 'Lies'

Saddam was responsible for 911.
Al queda had ties to Iraq.
Iraq was an immanent threat to the US.
Iraq had no WMD in 2001
The US did not torture against the Geneva Convention


iThem is serious whoppers Carol! we're in a war because of them. A democratic president would have been impeached for just one of them....oh and by the way....deficits don't matter [Dick Cheney]....

What ever happened to civility and respect? His "reaction" was just grandstanding and a ploy to get attention. Unfortunately for him, it drew more negative attention and campaign contributions to his Democratic opponent.

By the way--all members of Congress are given copies of the speech beforehand, so he knew what Obama was going to say. So any idea that this was an emotional reaction to what the President was saying is a bunch of you-know-what.

Oh, a lie ...

Yes, he lied.

Staged histrionics tarted up as emotional reactions are a time honoured ploy of right wing politicians. Its what they replace reasoned debate with.

It just reinforces that the Republicans (again) are getting nastier and louder and more ill behaved. And everybody can see it.

Yes they've reached a new low and even they now realize it. In the minds of the majority of Americans the Republicans are nothing less than spoiled brats and sore loosers lacking respect in need a good lashing behind the woodshed.

They may try and fake it, but they aren't really feeling too good about themselves today. Mr. Wilson's childish behavior was the culmination of over 8 months of hysterical and lunatic behavior that we on the Left have been debunking.

Now all of America know what we were talking about. The whole world now know what we've been up against since the swearing in of our duly elected 44th President.

And according to the polls, the silent majority applauds.

silent? majority?

yes we approve of President Obama! last it was 3/4 approval thanks for pointing t