Justice First

Is that the best that you can do? Where are your counter claims? Where are your arguments to the contrary? Where is your right wing garbage? You're not a worthy opponent, so do me a favor and get lost.

First up should be prosecutions of GWB, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld for prosecuting a fraudulent and illegal war--along with the war crimes they authorized (Geneva convention violations, etc.).

Hang 'em high.

I disagree. It is a waste of time. If it was going to be done, it should have been done earlier. Now is the time to focus on the economy and getting this country revived again.

You express the general opinion, Carla. But if we don't punish those who ignore our laws and betray our ideals, we risk repetition. I predict that if President Obama does not come down hard on the crimes committed in the last eight years, he will be facing scandal before his first term has concluded.

Robert, you make a statement about all of us Democrats. I am a Democrat and, as you can see above, I believe that it is time to move forward. But I'm curious as to why you went over the list of the Democrats and all of what you perceive as their mistakes, but you didn't bother to list all of the Republican presidents' mistakes? I have to say that that would be a much longer list--even for George W. alone.

Robert, you say on your name space, that you are an "optimist". Why not take a more optimistic attitude toward Obama?

Carla just some more so Lewis can get some points, I just hate it when he will start something and then run when facts come in. I understand that ALL Democrats that bad, I just see most of them. I take you at your face value, I am the same. I know somethings are not always not right, but he still my President.

Everybody in your party say we should give him a break, well I watch CSPAN too and watch the condemnation from the jump start. If they want support any part of their President, why should I be the one?

Good call Linda

Time to move forward. Prosecuting wrong doings will just waste time and money.

Why is there no mention of Colin Powell? Did he or did he not go in front of the world to argue for war against Iraq? Why do the libies not want to prosecute him? Oh, I know, he came out and supported his brotha Hussein Obama.

Wasn't General Tommy Franks being brought up on charges by The Hague and Rummy pulled a multi-million dollar construction work for a Nato Base.
The Netherlands capitulated faster than when Germany attacked them.

Ah Robert, you left a few small details out of your timeline. Allow me to add them for you. Really, if you want to slam people, at least slam the right ones.

WWII.. Germany declared war upon the USA as part of their alliance with Japan. There was no avoiding war in Europe once war had been declared on us. Further, FDR did not "drop 2 atomic bombs on Japanese civilians." Truman was in office by the time the weapons were used in August, 1945. But anyway, I think a certain Austrian gets the credit for WWII.

On to Korea. The prevailing attitude in our country during the 50's and 60's was the fear of the spread of Communism; the "DOmino Effect"(A little side effect of the Cold War.) and all that. When Communist North Korea invaded South Korea, we came to their aid. Do we even need to mention the paranoia in our country about "The Red Menace"? People such as McCarthy with his witch hunts, and a fellow by the name of Richard Nixon was pretty active as well. (Alger Hiss is a name that comes to mind.)

Vietnam. Kennedy did not "start" Vietnam at all. In fact, shortly after the partition of that country in Geneva, we began sending "Military Advisors" to South Vietnam...Under the Eisenhower administration. In fact, the Eisonhower administration actively backed France financially during their fight with the Viet Minh.

But if you must credit someone with actually starting the war, it would have to be Johnson since the first combat troops didn't arrive in DaNang until 1965.Started, stopped, started, stopped the bombing. He was employing the carrot and stick method of trying to get Ho Chi Minh to "see reason." Guess what, so did Nixon.

On to good ole Tricky Dicky. You forgot to mention how he illegally invaded Cambodia during the Vietnam war.

Carter, no argument there, I agree he was the weakest president we've had when it came to foreign policy. However, he did not send "many soldiers to Iran." He sent one rescue mission that failed.

Clinton, he evaded the draft to get out of Vietnam as did many, many people who were able. One that comes to mind is one George W. Bush, who managed to avoid it by going into the National Guard.(Didn't it come out that he never actually served in the Guard?)

You seem to have been a lifer in the army. (From the Kennedy through the Clinton years.) I have to say hearing someone who was sworn to protect and defend the constitution say, "I'll never accept him" when referring to the man elected as provided by the very same constitution you were swown to protect and defend.. Is sickening. No really, I get it that you don't like Obama. But you really need to get over it.


Oh and just a case in point, Lincoln was the first Republican to become President.

Oh yes, one more thing, from your own profile. "I am an optimist who tries to find a common good in things. I am usually quiet, but will stand up for what is right and will defend it vigorously. My favorite saying is "You can't be a beacon if your light don't shine.""

Why don't you use some of that omptimism now, and at least wait until he takes office before talking about how bad of a president he is. Oh and if you plan to lump me in with "You Democrats..." Don't bother, i'm a Republican.

I had no idea that my humble opinion would elicit such a volume of responses, and some, rather zealously. I thank you all for your participation. If I may be so unrefined as to quote myself: "One can learn a great deal from those with whom we disagree."

Linda W., I'm not singling out Republicans for prosecution; I favor investigations of any political figures who may have committed crimes. And, Robert W., you'll get no argument from me regarding Bill Clinton's character.

For those of you who would like to know who the chicken hawks are in Congress, you can go to: http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

Robert W., - Yes I think you ahve a good point. However you have really noticed that I only mentioned only the Presidential Democratic. You were right, not that I am just stupid, but yes, soldiers were sent to Vietnam during in1956 before you were born a couple years after that. I actually served in Vietnam, so I will let you know taht American Soldiers did NOT fight when the French, they only advised the French and assist. When active military sent to Vietnam after Diem was assination, by the way it was Kennedy administration rigged it. Afterward Kennedy was assinated then Lyndon Johnson used the false TONKIN resoulution to escalate this war. I guess you only look at aprt of documents. I admit that Nixon was not expediately concluded of the war that dragged on, but Nixon was obligated to fulfill the pledge of our Country to aid them. Johnson also secretly had created the CIA agency known as "AIR America" that also was flying into Cambodia, and other places people just don't know. I know for a fact American Fighter Pilots and would fly attacks while they had a "Goober" Vietnamese soldier couldn't even fly, but they would be in the back seat, throwing everywhere, but they had to say Vietnam was there. Johnson was a real brain child there. So Nixon did send soldiers while they were chasing the Viet Cong would run across the border into Cambodia, who the hell asked for them to be there? I know who asked. You say that Johnson and Nixon both was waving a carrot, I guess the idea was great, if you were sittiing on your fat ass, but ask the soldiers for their opinion.

Oh, you made my day today buddy. And if you would do your research, you'd find that Abraham Lincold was defeated in1857, however he won the election as he was ran as the National Union Party. So he wasn't a Republican, just like Joe Liberman is now an Indipendent. Go figure.

I agree about George W. Bush and becoming a pilot in the Air National Guard. At least he did something a hell lot more than Clinton. Read the transcripts about his political escapades.

If you will remember, the National Guard never went to Vietnam, but if he had to go, he would have to go. Remember how many Guard and reserves in Iraq, Afganistan, and 1991 Desert too. I remember a shit of load airplanes, pilots, and soldiers there. They did their part also. I have the most admire fo our Guard soldiers and Airmen & women for their hard work, however a runtrip to hide in Canada does not gain my admiration.

You say that I was apparently a Army "Lifer", so actually I take that as a good thing. Did I run the whole time what you said, no, I wasn't there all of that time: I enlisted in 1962 through 1967, which my tour in Vietnam from 1965 - 1967. Kicked my ass and got out. Went back in from 1972 - 1994 while I was retired after 26 years. I wanted to go for 30 years career, but a heart attack during a 4 mile run hit me and was forced to retire because I was well over 20 years service.

If you ever wanna bullshit, give me a note, we can converse.