What 'Israel's right to exist' means to Palestinians
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0202/p09s02-coop.html
Recognition would imply acceptance that they deserve to be treated as subhumans.
JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA - Since the Palestinian elections in 2006, Israel and much of the West have asserted that the principal obstacle to any progress toward Israeli-Palestinian peace is the refusal of Hamas to "recognize Israel," or to "recognize Israel's existence," or to "recognize Israel's right to exist."
These three verbal formulations have been used by Israel, the United States, and the European Union as a rationale for collective punishment of the Palestinian people. The phrases are also used by the media, politicians, and even diplomats interchangeably, as though they mean the same thing. They do not.
"Recognizing Israel" or any other state is a formal legal and diplomatic act by one state with respect to another state. It is inappropriate – indeed, nonsensical – to talk about a political party or movement extending diplomatic recognition to a state. To talk of Hamas "recognizing Israel" is simply to use sloppy, confusing, and deceptive shorthand for the real demand being made of the Palestinians.
"Recognizing Israel's existence" appears on first impression to involve a relatively straightforward acknowledgment of a fact of life. Yet there are serious practical problems with this language. What Israel, within what borders, is involved? Is it the 55 percent of historical Palestine recommended for a Jewish state by the UN General Assembly in 1947? The 78 percent of historical Palestine occupied by the Zionist movement in 1948 and now viewed by most of the world as "Israel" or "Israel proper"? The 100 percent of historical Palestine occupied by Israel since June 1967 and shown as "Israel" (without any "Green Line") on maps in Israeli schoolbooks?
Israel has never defined its own borders, since doing so would necessarily place limits on them. Still, if this were all that was being demanded of Hamas, it might be possible for the ruling political party to acknowledge, as a fact of life, that a state of Israel exists today within some specified borders. Indeed, Hamas leadership has effectively done so in recent weeks.
"Recognizing Israel's right to exist," the actual demand being made of Hamas and Palestinians, is in an entirely different league. This formulation does not address diplomatic formalities or a simple acceptance of present realities. It calls for a moral judgment.
There is an enormous difference between "recognizing Israel's existence" and "recognizing Israel's right to exist." From a Palestinian perspective, the difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified. For Palestinians to acknowledge the occurrence of the Nakba – the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homeland between 1947 and 1949 – is one thing. For them to publicly concede that it was "right" for the Nakba to have happened would be something else entirely. For the Jewish and Palestinian peoples, the Holocaust and the Nakba, respectively, represent catastrophes and injustices on an unimaginable scale that can neither be forgotten nor forgiven.
To demand that Palestinians recognize "Israel's right to exist" is to demand that a people who have been treated as subhumans unworthy of basic human rights publicly proclaim that they are subhumans. It would imply Palestinians' acceptance that they deserve what has been done and continues to be done to them. Even 19th-century US governments did not require the surviving native Americans to publicly proclaim the "rightness" of their ethnic cleansing by European colonists as a condition precedent to even discussing what sort of land reservation they might receive. Nor did native Americans have to live under economic blockade and threat of starvation until they shed whatever pride they had left and conceded the point.
Some believe that Yasser Arafat did concede the point in order to buy his ticket out of the wilderness of demonization and earn the right to be lectured directly by the Americans. But in fact, in his famous 1988 statement in Stockholm, he accepted "Israel's right to exist in peace and security." This language, significantly, addresses the conditions of existence of a state which, as a matter of fact, exists. It does not address the existential question of the "rightness" of the dispossession and dispersal of the Palestinian people from their homeland to make way for another people coming from abroad.
The original conception of the phrase "Israel's right to exist" and of its use as an excuse for not talking with any Palestinian leaders who still stood up for the rights of their people are attributed to former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. It is highly likely that those countries that still employ this phrase do so in full awareness of what it entails, morally and psychologically, for the Palestinian people.
However, many people of goodwill and decent values may well be taken in by the surface simplicity of the words, "Israel's right to exist," and believe that they constitute a reasonable demand. And if the "right to exist" is reasonable, then refusing to accept it must represent perversity, rather than Palestinians' deeply felt need to cling to their self-respect and dignity as full-fledged human beings. That this need is deeply felt is evidenced by polls showing that the percentage of the Palestinian population that approves of Hamas's refusal to bow to this demand substantially exceeds the percentage that voted for Hamas in January 2006.
Those who recognize the critical importance of Israeli-Palestinian peace and truly seek a decent future for both peoples must recognize that the demand that Hamas recognize "Israel's right to exist" is unreasonable, immoral, and impossible to meet. Then, they must insist that this roadblock to peace be removed, the economic siege of the Palestinian territories be lifted, and the pursuit of peace with some measure of justice be resumed with the urgency it deserves.
• John V. Whitbeck, an international lawyer, is the author of, "The World According to Whitbeck." He has advised Palestinian officials in negotiations with Israel.
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You don't understand what Whitbeck wrote:
"There is an enormous difference between "recognizing Israel's existence" and "recognizing Israel's right to exist." From a Palestinian perspective, the difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified. For Palestinians to acknowledge the occurrence of the Nakba – the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homeland between 1947 and 1949 – is one thing. For them to publicly concede that it was "right" for the Nakba to have happened would be something else entirely. For the Jewish and Palestinian peoples, the Holocaust and the Nakba, respectively, represent catastrophes and injustices on an unimaginable scale that can neither be forgotten nor forgiven."
"There is NO implication in "Israel's right to exist" that others are "subhuman"; that is a despicable and contemptible falsehood."
Says who ? If it is implied in the minds of those who are presented with this loaded phrase, it is not "falsehood" at all. You, nor other highly prejudiced advocates, have a right to speak for me. This way of framing the matter causes angst and frustration in me, and many others. Take your denial and ever so persistent demand that all see these subtle things precisely as you do or suffer your bloated indignity, and shove . . .
I swear to God, this is not how I feel at all.
I do want to see the end of Zionism, but I have no desire for another Jewish Holocaust to take place. I also recognize that many Jews were born on that land and presently have grand children that were born there. I am not insensitive to this reality. However, philosophically, I believe that that government is more the State of Zionism than it is the State of Israel. Israel is one of the attributes of a great and holy Prophet. He would have never sat still and accepted the philosophy of Zionism. Now before you turn off half baked, hear me out.
The Zionist Cabal is not based on the egalitarian principles of any of The Prophets. It is not Israeli in nature, and it never was. It is an ethnocentric, 20th Century, imperialist project, whereby the rich and the powerful granted land that was not rightfully theirs to the poor downtrodden European Jews who were represented by the Zionist Movement, most of whose leaders were atheist terrorists, who brokered the deal with the then imperialist racist British Empire.
My position has always been that the law of the jungle is a natural law. It is barbaric in nature. But it is the way things were done before people started to realize how small and dangerous modern warfare was, and how Hitlerian racism can be.
The Zionist State was created in 1948, not long after the conventional and atomic incineration of Japanese Civilians ended World War 2. At that time most of the Western world was still laboring openly under the arrogant notion of White Supremacy; especially here in the Good Old U. S. of A.
However The Western world changed radically in the generation, following the creation of The Zionist State. The world started to wake up. Much of the institutional racism that plagued America was vehemently protested against and then seriously legislated against. Consequently many of the racist feelings that had become traditional and accepted were castigated so badly they were at least kept hidden if not totally expunged from the hearts of many.
Granted, we Americans still have a long way to go before the black legacy of White Supremacy is washed clean away from the American psyche, but only a fool would not realize the giant steps that were taken in the 1950's, and 60's.
The movement toward a more civil society stymied the American War Machine, for nearly 20 years. Women's rights, gay rights, tax payers' rights, etc. were established between the 1950's and 1970's.
Consequently, I would dare say, that the Zionists of today or yesterday would not stand a snow ball's chance in hell, trying to convince the world's present day power brokers to arbitrarily create a Zionist State, even if there was a horrific genocidal holocaust to soften the hearts of the majority. God Forbid.
Why? Because it is not right. It is not smart. It is not just. It is as wrong as two left shoes. And in this day and age, there aren't nearly enough people blinded by insane paranoia, and institutional racism to even conceive of such a hideously unjust solution.
Therefore, I have always believed that the People who really want to live in the Holy Land in peace and harmony, should admit the reality of the holy land's initial creation, and then admit that the Zionist State does not fit that reality. It is much more noble to admit the wrong, instead of trying to insist that the entire world warp its sense of justice and reason, so that yawl can make wrong right to suit your nationalist ethnocentric ambitions.
Yes. Israel has a right to exist. It exists. But it got its existence by usurping the rights of the people that had the natural, real, moral, and ethical right to that land in the first place.
Israel's legitimacy was the same legitimacy that allowed white people in the south to tell black people to leave their seats on the bus and go sit in the back. Israel's legitimacy was the same legitimacy that kept black people from attending southern state colleges and universities. The legitimacy of The Zionist State was supported by the same kind of philosophy that makes white supremacists of today believe that America was and always will be a white man's country.
Israel's right to exist is not based on the civil, universal laws and principles of ethics and morality that the world's people have come to accept as just. It is not a philosophy that condones the growth of the human spirit. It is a philosophy that not only retards it. Zionism throws the consciousness of its allies back to the bad old days of The Metaphysics of Indian Hating And Empire Building (Check out: http://www.amazon.com/Facing-West-Metaphysics-Indian-Hating-Empire-Building/dp/080612928X/sr=1-1/qid=1171336216/ref=sr_1_1/002-6598486-8542405?ie=UTF8&s=books)
No one, no where, no how, would consider it fair treatment for the foreign power brokers of the world to give their homes, gardens, cemeteries, and civic centers that have been owned, and occupied by them for over a thousand years to another alien, atheists-governed people because of some alleged ancient covenant with God, which their alleged ancestors broke in antiquity. The contradictions are insidious when viewed objectively.
Israel's right to exist is based on the law of the jungle, and its existence is maintained by implementing that same barbarous law. The only thing that keeps it from simply annihilating their their near helpless brown skinned adversaries is a globally connected ubiquitous public opinion making press. And it's murderous antics last year towards southern Lebanon gave the whole world a preview of the kind of political philosophy Zionism really is. It is in the Jews best interests to see clearly how public opinion is changing all over the world. How tragic it would be if the barbarism that created The Zionist State trampled her beneath its feet. It is time to find a better, more humane way to exist.
If those who want to exist in a holy state of Israel would admit this to themselves, perhaps the choking issues, like the issue of return could be put on the table, along with the desire to keep the name Israel instead of Palestine, and return the Holy Land to the tri-cultural nature that it was before 1948, with a true republican theocentric democratic twist, without the Zionist Paranoia that Jews can't be safe unless they are in a land that is primarily Jewish.
That has been my position, from the start and it is my position now. So please start reading my words with a degree of objectivity, and quit harboring the hateful, hellish, bloody opinion that you have of me.
Turning it on its head is exactly what this article, and I, are saying should not automatically follow when we hear the proposition. But it does follow. We are draw to see a bizarre relic of a long dead reality. Why should the Jewish people need any reference to impoverished refugees and massacred millions to speak of their rights? Abu may refer to the harsh past of "blacks" in this country, but clearly he does not base his right to exist, or any other right, on such nightmares.
People genetically descended from Judah have REAL rights, not just pity points. They have natural and universal rights. But NO government has any such rights, for when they demand that, they have no one but human beings to take those rights from. The pseudo-racism you call Zionism is immoral, certainly when looked at from the point of view of something like our Constitution. We ended segregation, and the vast majority of the world sees how wrong such a form of classifying human beings like breeds of livestock is.
If Palestinians are fully human, why does Israel not abandon all differentiation by genetics, as we have? The answer is that either Israelis see themselves as a separate kind of human being, and the Palestinians happen to be the "regular" kind that are stuck in that area; Or the Jews are regular people, and the Palestinians are . . . not.
You really should, it is an excellent post.
All of this wisdom is so easy to see and understand when one does not have some kind of Jewish apologetic axe to grind. It is so sad that so many cannot separate the secular from the exoteric religious, let alone understand the esoteric spiritual.
There is far too much emphasis being put on religious ideals by people that do not come close to understanding just what those ideals are really all about. It is really sad when the non-religious disingenuously 'use' religion for empire building.
You believe that since you have the upper hand you should seize the moment and use force to secure Jewish supremacy and security. But you're forgetting the Eternal Force Who Rights Wrongs, Changes Times, and Judges Impartially. "Thour shall not covet. Thou Shall Not Steal."
The auspiciousness that you see in The Zionists' present situation is short sighted, and spiritually shallow. Thus the conditions that you wish to impose so that justice can be established and peace rein are mistaken.
Charles how would you feel if America, tomorrow, allowed all the Palestinians back into what is now called Israel, demanded you give them back their houses, gardens, etc. Armed them and backed every play they made? How do you think the Arabs feel?
Charles, I understand that you are bearish for Israel. Every convert tends to be, let us say, very enthusiastic about the new founded congregation he or she has embraced. But do not be so enthusiastic about the politics of man that you mistake them for The Will Of God, Who Is The Only Sovereign Of Sovereigns.
Right is right. Wrong is wrong. And race, nationality, or tribe doesn't have a dag blasted thing to do with it. There Is Only One Unique, Ubiquitous, All Power in The Universe. His laws that generally govern the human family are not subject to political expediancy, ecconomic advantage, or military might. Thou Shall Not Covet. Thou Shall Not Steal. And He would not command one tribe who is worshiping Him, to arbitrarily covet the land, and rights of another tribe who is worshiping Him. If you don't believe this, then you are most certainly not a true follower of the many prophetic princes of Zion, and I pray that you soon come to a profound crisis of conscience.
Charles N. has not been able to put himself in the other's shoes. He is sincere in his wish for a peaceful resolution of Israel's conflict with its neighbors.
How a peaceful resolution can be achieved the way things are now is a concern to all of us. Hatred, fear and greed - not to mention religious extremism - seem to consume the region, supported and fueled by outside powerful interests of nations and corporations - notable among them, the United States military-industrial complex which sells many of its arms to other nations, as China, through Israel.
Charles N. knows I support Israel, and I am aware of the dangers it faces from its enemies. In regard to Israel's behavior to the people of Palestine, Charles N. is in denial and does not see nor understand their resistance to Israel's oppression.
I remarked elsewhere to Charles N.:
The tragedy of the Holocaust is not the subject of the article ["Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine"] .
Israel's government has long used the Holocaust as a means to justify its policies and actions in Palestine and the region - both to Jews and the world.
Ben Gurion, Israel's "Founding Father," spoke frankly of the Holocaust:
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
Does Israel have a "right to exist"?
The Palestinians have a "moral right." The Holocaust was not "right," any more than was Israel's premeditated driving them from their homes by force and preventing their return is acceptable as "right."
Israel's demand that others recognize its "right to exist" - not it's existence as a state be recognized, which might lead to a peaceful resolution of the situation in Palestine - is unacceptable by any ethical standard. This is like demanding that the Holocaust be accepted as "morally right."
The 1948 war was planned and and provoked by Israel to gain more territory than the U.N. had allotted for the Jewish state and to expel more Palestinian Arabs.Before the May 15 invasion by Arab armies, Jewish forces had succeeded in expelling some 300,000 Palestinians from their homes,yet another 400,000 Palestinians remained in areas that the Jews wanted to take. The Ben-Gurion leadership needed a war and it was confident it would be easy to win. His group's policy in Palestine had been in practice for many years before Israel became a state. This policy has persisted in regard to other Arab lands and in regard to the Palestinians : maintain a perpetual war situation by any means, including terrorism, gain land in short wars where success is sure and expel Arabs or establish puppet rulers. Never seek peace in good faith.
Many Israelis - some who are philosophically Zionists , including those who emigrated to Palestine since the 1920's - have always opposed this policy.
It is not hubris to be confident in knowing the difference between right and wrong. The God of Our Holy Father Abraham did not send us guides who were confusing. Ben Gurion, was as wrong as wrong can be. The Arabs do not have a different God than the Jews. And God did not give that land to The Children of Zionism. He gave it to the Children of Abraham from the line of Yaqoob. And when the children of those people divorced themselves from the ethical rightness of their fathers, they divorced themselves from the right to take that land by force.
By God. If those Jews had come in 1947, sharing their technology, and negotiating to set up a righteous Monotheistic, theocentric (not theocratic) republican form of Democracy, the exploring the sameness of our philosophies due to the sameness of our common spiritual heritage, they would have still been opposed, but not so rabidly. And with patience, faith, and perseverance, as well as self scrutiny and consequential spiritual theocratic revolution, on both sides, the world and most of The Arab's hearts would have softened and warmed, and the prophesy of a Messianic Israel could have been achieved. Instead the people took the side of might instead of right.
Perhaps the promised peace can still be attained. But not while the government is in the hands of atheist Zionist ethnocentrists who will resort to mass murder to achieve their godless ends. And not while Muslims believe that the secular laws of guerilla warfare are sanctioned by the example of The Final Abrahamic Prophet to Grace This Planet.
God help cold hearts to melt, and hot hearts to cool, and the temperate mood of reason, and true faith dominate the hearts of the majority.
You return endlessly to the same set of thoughts and emotions that provide you with a vehement position on this matter. So you are an invalid source of understanding. You are a zealot, and zealots are blind.
In other matters, I don't doubt you are reasonable, that you realize the pitfalls of a pre-planned result to investigation. But here you carve yourself an exception. You feel your strong convictions are a good source of direction. But that is silly. Strong emotions and memorized arguments are the worst possible source for truth and understanding. Every zealot has the same weak foundation for their stance; Jew, Arab, atheists, racist Christian, it matters not.
You speak of Palestinian zealots that teach hatred. And do you not commit the same sin by this reference? What would you have them do? Repeat endlessly the disturbing thoughts and evoke the strong emotions that brought them to that sorry state? Is that not the folly in the end, the repetition of a narrow slice of the whole picture? Consuming and regurgitating and consuming again the same mind hardening set of frightening images, till their enemy becomes an inhuman thing, a "them" which is spoken of as if some monstrous beast. If "they" really are further along in this process of dehumanizing their "enemy", is that a good reason to continue with that same behaviour yourself?
Or, are you "different"? When you eat that poison every day is it wholesome food? Are you special, better equipped to handle that bile? Not like those heathens that get carried away with the malice, but of a higher sort, which won't react like animals to their own malicious feelings and defensive rationalizing.
Lift not up your horn on high; speak not with a stiff neck
I don't want to debate these issues. They've already been debated to death. It's a waste of time. I want to debate the core issue. The one no would discuss with the Arabs before 1947, and still won't touch today in a reasonable objective manner. And that is the moral authority that the world's power brokers manufactured to award The Zionist Project land that belonged to other people.
That's what the featured essay and the essay I wrote supporting it speaks to. The creation of the Zionist State is that initial domino that was placed on the table in a wrong, most inauspicious angle. Let us speak to the reality of how it affected the people who were natives to that land. They would be insane to accept its placement as righteous. I take it further. It is disingenuous if not insane for any believer in universal rightness to believe that the arbitrary, undemocratic, UN Creation of The Zionist State was a righteous act of civility.
If the world starts seeing the world with that kind of twisted vision, with all todays instruments of destruction at human disposal, the dominos are liable to fall in most inauspicious manner that could kill us all, but damn us all to hell. Think about it Charles.
"the bizarre view that pointing out the virulent, institutional, and deliberate teaching of Jew-hatred by the Palestinians is somehow an act of hatred itself. That defies logic"
Bizarre ? It's called common sense. You bring this up for the exact same reason your Arab counterparts do. You speak to generate harsh and belligerent feelings toward the "enemies" of Israel (Zionism robotically included). That's what "they" do, and that's what you do. Dominoes continue to fall.
Common sense.
As for the 'proof' that you ask for about Jewish acts equivalent to the claimed 'Arab' acts of Jew hatred ... we are not likely to find such in the west because the west has been predominately pro-Jew, thanks to AIPAC and the ADL and people like you and Dershowtiz ... all subject to change the more you folks rant your half truths and distortions about the 'other' side.
But IF we could read Arabic and had access to Al Jazeera and the like, I'd bet that we would have ample examples to state right back to you.
Of course, being a Jewish partisan, you would deny their assertions, as I am sure they deny yours ... some of us can figure out the real truth without the 'propaganda' from either side.
The comments here (other than yours) show that to real truth seekers. And yours give the typical apologist rant ... sorry.
Your protests still seem to be a bit 'one sided' to me ... let the needed changes begin with you !
Charles. Do you only care about people who look like you? Do you only care about people who have your same creed, which you acquired only recently? Many people, just like you and I, are being murdered on both sides. In order to secure Israel (that was their primary reason) America dropped more bombs on Iraq in 45 days than it did in World War 2 and Vietnam combined, killing tens of thousands of civilians. And then the government that represents you and I, placed sanctions on the Iraqi people that were responsible for over a million premature deaths. Then, ten years later, another Jewish convert, Madeline Albright said that, even though these sanctions did nothing to hamper the regime of that butcher Saddam Hussein, it was worth all those innocent lives to do that. Why? To secure America? Or to secure Israel?
Charles, each side issues reasons why murder is justified when they're doing the murdering. Each side is saying that the other side deserves to be murdered. Charles, can't you see that there is a philosophical disconnect that has to be traced all the way to the source?
The source of this madness is what it is. It is not difficult to discover it, and I have warned you and all the Jewish people who hold on to the racist philosophy of Zionism like it descended from Mount Sinai with Moses. it did not. It is the philosophy that seduced the people to worship The Golden Calf.
Think, Charles. As this very small tribal governmental entity becomes more and more embolden, some of Zionism's biggest allies are starting to see it, and those who support it as a lying liability. Folks are starting to see the error in what the UN did. It's like what could happen if someone created a Jurassic Park in The San Diego Zoo. The unintended consequences were only unpredictable by those blinded by their own personal desires to see it happen. Only... these dinosaurs have nukes.
True, the Arabs were at fault for reacting the way they reacted. Of course they were. They were taught to react this way, by people who misinterpreted the Quran. I am sure you are aware of these misinterpretations, although you most likely do not believe they are misinterpretations.
The Talmudic literature is filled with all kinds of plain verbiage against Christ, his Mother, Christians, and everyone else who is a non-Jew. If you don't believe me, I can quote chapter and verse for you. Just like you can quote chapter and verse of all the negative things Quran says about "The Jews." Only I can prove that these verses are speaking about Jews who put their loyalty to the ethnicity over their loyalty to God, Good, and the Prophetic precedences; especially those Jews who made pacts with The Final Abrahamic Prophet in Yathrib, and double crossed him at every turn. It is clearly a misinterpretation of The Quran to believe that All Jews are pigs, or apes or devils. This I have preached on for decades. Yet the misinterpretations persist. Hatred fueled by oppression is hard to squash.
And there are many many Jews who misinterpret the Talmud's man made set of traditions as gospel. Especially those who are ethnocentric rather than theocentric. Like I said, both sides have all kinds of FACTS, and REASONS for murdering one another.
So don't be so quick to cast off the righteous teachings of The Church, Charles. All the prophets taught the same thing. If you turn a little of the love in your heart towards those who you label as enemy you just might see where I am coming from, and do the math for yourself. The source of this madness is known by many, and many more are becoming aware it.
Yes, Arabs are ahead on hate speech and suicide bombers. Israel is ahead on walls and land and destruction. If we focus on the worst things done by Arabs, they look bad. If we focus on the worst things done by Israelis, they look bad.
You're right. You win the contest of who teaches the worst words. Congratulations.
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/4ecbf3578b6149c50525657100507fab!OpenDocument&Click=
"9. On 18 September the Progress Report of the Mediator was submitted to the General Assembly. In evaluating the situation of the proposed Arab State, the Mediator stated:
"As regards the parts of Palestine under Arab control, no central authority exists and no independent Arab State has been organized or attempted. This situation may be explained in part by Arab unwillingness to undertake any step which would suggest even tacit acceptance of partition, and by their insistence on a unitary State in Palestine. The Partition Plan presumed that effective organs of state government could be more or less immediately set up in the Arab part of Palestine. This does not seem possible today in view of the lack of organized authority springing from Arab Palestine itself, and the administrative disintegration following the termination of the Mandate. There now exists in Palestine a form of partition, though an Arab State for which the Partition Plan provided has not materialized and there is no economic union. The problem of the future of the Arab part of Palestine and its economic viability is therefore thrust into the foreground."
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To see the original, look here :
http://domino.un.org/pdfs/AAC25W19.pdf
By the way , the "mediator" the report refers to is , I believe, Ralph Bunche, an African American, from Detroit Michigan, winner of the Nobel Prize in 1950, a man of great integrity, not exactly biased in favor of the Jews, who I believe the Jew hating filth Finkelstein worked for.
I feel sorry for non Muslim black people and women , who the Islamists have used as dupes for a phony cause, cynically being used for a different agenda: The islamic war against the West.
And by the way, unlike carter, Bunche had real academic credentials, a real PHD from Harvard, not a make believe phony correspondence course in "nuclear terminology" from Union college that cannot even be verified, which dhimmi carter pimped as a "nuclear engineer".
Hey Abu, how do you feel about the murder of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of African muslims being murdered by Islamic people as in Darfur ?
I will be dying to hear your answer.
I'm not caring about what governments do. It's the people who are going to have drop the security around their consciences to let some guilt in. That's how change takes place. Governments are linear, stiff, and geared towards acts of extremism on the dumb ass side. It is much easier for a people to wake up and take their government to task, than it is for the people to wake up and then take a half baked group of vigilantes to task... take Ireland for example. If Great Briton had not checked itself and lightened up, no one was going to stop the IRA from committing all kinds of murderous acts of violence. And the government of Great Briton was not going to lighten up until the British people put a lot of fire under the collective tushes of their elected officials. Doesn't that make sense?
All are divisive and subtractive as to a 'favored' people, one 'over' another ... extremely 'Dualistic' each and all such thinking.
It is because there is no singular 'commonality' such as ONE God or Spiritual INterconnection that everyone seems to want to 'fight' over everything ...
THAT is the 'real' problem !
Seek the Spirit that is INside of you people ! That would solve all problems ... first on a personal level then secondarily on the social level ... IT is real and waiting to set each and all free ... the truth does that ! I know this for a fact, I experience it all of the time ... but you would say who in the hell is that person to tell me anything ... I would say, just one that does know that truth from actual experience.
Shoot the messenger if you must, but ignore the message at your own peril !
Spirit Calls ... from withIN each of US !!! THAT IS the needed SOLUTION, not a bunch of misunderstood and mis represented words from old books that divide rather than unite mankind.
Hell (and that is what you now have), read my "free" book even ... even as a last resort ... it is not about me, it is about a way to think to solve the world problem of conflict. I am but a messenger ... it is all in the message.
It is the concrete objective materializations around so-called "facts" that everyone is "fighting" about ... all of which is a posteriori to the source ...
Intentions are the a priori beginning of everything, that is subjective thoughts, mind stuff, the stuff of God's Spirit via your own INtuitions ... if and when one begins to trust those more than their 'outer' fellows that 'claim' authority and certitude on so much ... which is now a case of the blind following the Blind ... the SOLUTION is withIN each ... one but needs to take responsibility for the self, the ego and seek the Truth of ALL, the Truth that will set you freeeeee ........
It does exist !!! But will probably not be found by most that insist that world objectivity is primary in importance. At least not until that hurts too much.
The thing the very hardest to believe, is that it will really make a difference in your personal life once the Spiritual INterconnection is made ... it does ! One no longer has to live in fear with subsequent hatreds ... they know that they are "protected" by God to the degree that they deserve ... very simple really !
What you're doing is still the same thing. Repeating all the "good" things done by "your side" and minimizing any good things done on the other, is just another brand of prejudicial recital. There are those on the "other" side doing precisely the same thing with their history of concessions.
Yes, if one believes "their" negotiators are the good guys, always on the up and up, then surely they have been doing just what they claim and have all along been taking the high road.
And, if all the efforts are good faith attempts at a just reconciliation, then surely the negotiators on your side are the good guys.
People on both sides are using this feedback loop logic to justify their position. It's basic bias at its best; If my side is right, they have done right. If my side has done right, they are right.
Works perfectly every time. It's naive and totally unrealistic, but works.
That's great, you've got one half of seeing this objectively down pat.
This may come as a bit of a shock, but Charles in not the center of my universe. Hell, John is not even the center of my universe.
Do you not understand the concept that others see things differently than yourself? Do you simply assume our minds contain all the same thoughts as yours, but we insanely can't figure them out?
Of course if we load up our heads with what you have in yours we will see things your way. But some prefer not to be so narrow. If we load up our heads with what your "enemies" have in theirs as well, we can see a more complete and balanced picture. You don't have to do that, you can just keep seeing only one side, but don't be surprised if we notice. And get tired of asking you to please stop doing propaganda. It's boring.
I don't support a side. Get it. I look at both perspectives.
If you were an anti-Jew, instead of an anti-Arab, I'd be playing the other side of this record. It's about seeing the whole, not "sides".
Now when it comes to day to day politics, the first thing I would stop doing if I was an Israeli Chief, is to stop over reacting to every murder. Murder is murder. All good people look at it as damned near unforgivable. But to punish my neighborhood because some crazed, confused mad man has joined a cult to blow himself up, will make me think about blowing myself up if my wife and kids, and close friends are summarily punished for simply being who we are and nothing more.
If I were the Israeli chief, I would not change the check points that much, but, I would make the checkers be as nice to people as the New York State Police. Ma'am, sir, shaykh, Mr., Miss, smiles. Everybody in that line is not trying to blow up himself or anybody else. And if they were, the check point would mean nothing at all. In fact, I doubt if there is one American strategist that does not see how the whole state of Israel could be overrun in less than a week. Understanding this, it is not in the best interest of the Messianic Prophesy to piss everybody off and crown Chaos king of the millennium.
Nice is better. Polite is best.
Terrorism only works when folks are afraid. Both sides fear each other because they hate one another unreasonably. They ought to practice the "Dune" fear mantra.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
But without the Messianic Vision of God's Uniqueness and Human Universality our people will stay at each others throats, and the end results could be death and hell for everyone... literally.