In recent articles and debates, the connection of anti-immigration groups to anti-life beliefs has been growing. Many of these "experts" on immigration reform have received funds or have other connections to organizations and people that advocate anti-life measures, such as population control, sterilization, abortion and euthanasia. Below are excerpts from various news articles, studies and other sources linking some anti-immigration groups to the anti-life agenda.
John Tanton's Anti-Immigration Groups
John Tanton, who started the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and also founded the Center for Immigration Studies headed by Mark Kirkorian, wrote a memo on July 11, 1986 stating, "To expand our fund-raising machine, we created the Center for Immigration Studies last year. We need to get CIS fully funded and entrenched as a major Washington think-tank, one that can venture into issues which FAIR is not yet ready to raise."
Tanton, on his own Web site, says that he helped to start other anti-immigration organizations, such as Roy Beck's NumbersUSA. "Other organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and NumbersUSA, both of which I helped to start, but on whose boards I do not serve, have also made stellar contributions to the immigration reform debate." (http://www.thesocialcontract.com/puppeteer.html) Also on his Web site, Tanton lists the various groups he funds under U.S., Inc., which includes Beck's NumbersUSA. (http://www.thesocialcontract.com/usdesc.html)
Tanton has founded and financed other anti-immigration groups as well. He sits on the advisory board of American Patrol, now also American Border Patrol. (New Times Los Angeles, BeelzeBubba, May 7, 1998; The Tallahassee Democrat, Anti-immigrant groups: simple answers for simple minds, July 13, 2003)
"CIS is part of an anti-immigration syndicate founded by John Tanton, a retired ophthalmologist from Michigan who also founded NumbersUSA and the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and also funds American Patrol - the group that sends vigilantes to the southern border to capture illegal immigrants who sneak in." (The Denver Post, Facts expose ‘illegal on welfare' myth, January 16, 2004)
Negative Population Growth and FAIR
Donald Mann, founder of Negative Population Growth, who headquartered in the anti-immigration group FAIR's Washington, DC office stated:
"We should give incentives to low-income people who agree to sterilization. We should make available free abortion to low-income people on demand. And companies should cut back or deny maternity leave to women who have more than two children." (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)
Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR, said of Mann's group, "NPG is one of a few serious, courageous, meaningful population-control groups that's seriously dealt with immigration." (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)
Pioneer Fund gives over $1 million to FAIR
Pioneer Fund has given, through 1996, $1.2 million to FAIR. (Center for New Community Special Report, Divide and Conquer: A Profile of the Federation for American Immigration Reform)
The San Francisco Chronicle on March 30, 1994 wrote:
A confidential memo written by FAIR founder John Tanton, published in 1988, argued that continued immigration from Latin America would lead to the peaceful takeover of the nation by "a group that is simply more fertile."
FAIR also has been attacked for accepting $ 600,000 in donations since 1988 from the Pioneer Fund, a wealthy New York organization that finances research seeking proof of the genetic superiority of the white race.
If that seems to conflict with its middle-of-the-road image, FAIR has been unbowed. Tanton remains on the board of directors, and Stein defends Pioneer Fund donations.
''I think they support our work because the (Pioneer) trustees agree with what we're doing,'' he said. ''But we pitched the funding proposal to them. They give us money because we asked for it.''
The Pioneer Fund and Their Anti-Life Agenda
The Pioneer Fund has also used its money for eugenic research. Eugenics is defined as "The study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding." New York millionaires created the Pioneer Fund "and charged it with backing research in heredity, eugenics and ‘race betterment.'" (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)
When questioned about Pioneer Fund contributions, Tanton "claimed ignorant about the Pioneer Fund's connection to numerous researchers seemingly intent on proving the inferiority of blacks, as well as its unsavory ties to Nazism." Among materials published by Tanton's Social Contract Press include the executive director of NumbersUSA Roy Beck's video Immigration by the Numbers. (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)
The Pioneer Fund's Other Investments
ProjectUSA, an anti-immigration group run by Craig Nelson that has placed billboards in various political races including Utah's Third Congressional District, has also received money from the Pioneer Fund.
As Cannon has correctly noted, Nelsen also gets sizable donations from the Pioneer Fund, a white supremacist organization that for decades has promoted racial purity through eugenics, a theory of selective human breeding espoused by the Nazis.
IRS 990 forms show the fund awarded $ 25,000 in grants to ProjectUSA between the years 2000 and 2002. (Salt Lake Tribune, Immigration reform drives sharp wedge in Cannon race, March 29, 2004)
ProjectUSA's express purpose, according to IRS forms, is to "educate the public on population control."
The spat between Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, and ProjectUSA, the Washington-based group pushing for strict curbs on immigration, is getting nastier. ProjectUSA started the round by erecting five billboards in Cannon's district saying that Cannon "Wants Amnesty for Illegal Aliens." Cannon offered the next punch, charging ProjectUSA and other anti-immigration groups with ties to an "anti-life" agenda that promotes "sterilization, abortion, eugenics, and euthanasia." Project USA's stated mission, Cannon said, is to "educate the public on population control." ProjectUSA quickly denied the charge, saying that never "has ProjectUSA ... said that our mission is 'to educate the public on population control.'" Except maybe on Part III of the project's 2002 tax return, where it told the IRS that such population-control education was its primary mission. "It appears an inattentive accountant did indeed insert that phrase on some tax forms," Project USA acknowledged. "So, we were wrong on that account. But then again, so what?" (National Journal, Inside Washington-Gosh Durn Those Precise Accountants, April 4, 2004)
Former Governor Richard Lamm's Anti-Life Agenda
Former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm, who is Chairman of the Board of Advisors for FAIR, stated in 1984 that terminally ill people have a "duty to die and get out of the way" (UPI March 29, 1984) and has been associated with euthanasia for the elderly as a means to population control.
In a May 1985 article, Governor Lamm is quoted as saying, "The best thing that could happen to this country is for a whole bunch of hospitals to go broke." This comment is attributed to a belief that medicine is prolonging the life spans of individuals thus causing population problems.
While Governor of Colorado, Lamm was quoted during a speech to seniors, that everyone had a "duty to die" so that the next generation wouldn't be burdened with their care. After a trip to India in 1967, Lamm returned to say that he "came back vowing to work on the problem of human population." He sponsored the country's first liberalized abortion bill in the state legislature. (Denver Westword, It's Not Easy Being Green; Look Who's Mad at Dick Lamm Now!, March 18, 2004)
The Wall Street Journal Makes the Connection
Below is an excerpt from a March 15, 2004 editorial by Jason Riley, a senior editorial page writer at the Journal.
"So determined is conservatism's nativist wing that it's even made common cause with radical environmentalists and zero-population-growth fanatics on the leftist fringe. The Federation for American Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies may strike right-wing poses in the press, but both groups support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative.
"FAIR's founder and former president is John Tanton, an eye doctor who opened the first Planned Parenthood chapter in northern Michigan. By Dr. Tanton's own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics.
"Board members of FAIR actively promote the sterilization of Third World women for the purposes of reducing U.S. immigration prospects. And if anything disturbs the good doctor more than those Latin American hordes crossing the Rio Grande, it's the likelihood that most of them are Catholic, or so he once told a Reuters reporter.
"CIS, an equally repugnant FAIR offshoot, is a big fan of China's one-child policy and publishes books advocating looser limits on abortion and wider use of RU-486. CIS considers the Sierra Club, which cites "stabilizing world population" fourth on its 21st century to-do list, as too moderate. And like FAIR, CIS has called for a target U.S. population of 150 million, about half of what it is today.
"Unlike their counterparts on the restrictionist right, these organizations don't distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. They want the border sealed as a means to a fanciful, neo-Malthusian end. Both sides, however, do share the same intellectual framework -- an overriding pessimism and lack of understanding about markets, which is why both also tend to oppose free trade."
http://chriscannon.house.gov/press2004/Anti_immigration_connections.doc
Examples of their quotes and statistics...hmmm....Wonder where we've seen THESE statistics????
$2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
. Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities the fastest growing segment of the federal prison population. Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
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Jackie:
Don't worry, as I will be doing my own research. Something tells me that my research is not going to be the same as what you posted----call it just a feeling.
You keep forgetting to put the one important word into your Headline settings. The key word you conveniently neglect to insert is "ILLEGAL". I'm sure it was just an "oversight" by you.
So, it seems that your problem with FAIR is that the "FEDERAL" organization makes LEGAL US citizens aware of actual immigration numbers (including that of ILLEGAL invaders) and the financial impact that it is having on US citizens and our country as a whole. In other words, it doesn't report information that you would like to see that would support your claims that the millions of illegal invaders are somehow good for our economy and country. Being that it is a FEDERAL organization, I would think that a lot of research and number crunching is involved in their process, especially being that the organization is reporting facts/stats that is the complete opposite of what the government officials--who want to make corporate America happy--are telling US citizens.
FAIR = Federation for American Immigration Reform
About FAIR
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a national, nonprofit, public-interest, membership organization of concerned citizens who share a common belief that our nation's immigration policies must be reformed to serve the national interest.
FAIR seeks to improve border security, to stop illegal immigration, and to promote immigration levels consistent with the national interest—more traditional rates of about 300,000 a year.
FAIR's publications and research are used by academics and government officials in preparing new legislation.National and international media regularly turn to us to understand the latest immigration developments and to shed light on this complex subject.FAIR has been called to testify on immigration bills before Congress more than any organization in America.
FAIR advocates:
--that our immigration laws must be fairly and effectively enforced;
--that the means exist to end illegal immigration by humane measures that are consistent with our democratic ideals and existing laws;
--that immigration should not be permitted to undermine opportunities for America's poor and vulnerable citizens to improve their working conditions and wages;
--there should be no favoritism toward or discrimination against any person on the basis of race, color, or creed; that all admissions of immigrants come within a single, stable ceiling which is periodically reviewed on the basis of reasoned, explicit population goals for the United States;
--that three criteria should guide selection of immigrants: (1) our fair share of refugees, with ultimate resettlement a key part of the program (2) our national manpower policy, and (3) concerns for reunification of nuclear families;
Our Response
FAIR advocates a temporary moratorium on all immigration except spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and a limited number of refugees. A moratorium would allow us to hold a national debate and devise a comprehensive immigration reform strategy. A workable immigration policy is one that would allow us time to regain control of our borders and reduce overall levels of immigration to more traditional levels of about 300,000 a year.
FAIR believes America can and must have an immigration policy that is nondiscriminatory and is designed to serve the social, economic and environmental needs of our country. It is a policy that all recent polls show has the overwhelming support of the American public.
FAIR's Activism
Since it was founded in 1979, FAIR has been leading the call for immigration reform. Representatives of our organization are routinely interviewed by the major news networks, radio talk shows and the print media about all aspects of the immigration debate. FAIR is one of a growing group of reliable sources of information on this subject. Our research and publications are relied on by academics and government officials involved in formulating immigration policy. We testify regularly before Congress on all immigration-related legislation.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_aboutmain
--"from Petoskey, Michigan, the founder of U.S. English, the founding chairman of ProEnglish, and publisher of The Social Contract Press, serving as editor for its first eight years. He is a graduate of Michigan State University and University of Michigan Medical School.
Tanton considers himself an ardent conservationist and advocate for the environment. His belief that continued human population growth was a large part of world environmental problems led him to chair the National Sierra Club Population Committee (1971-1974), and to the national board of Zero Population Growth (1973-1978, including a term as president, 1975-1977).
In 1979, as immigration became the primary source of U.S. population growth, Tanton organized the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) based in Washington, D.C. Tanton also founded, along with a few other FAIR board members, a group called WITAN -- short for the Old English term "witenagemot," meaning "council of wise men."
John Tanton is co-author with Wayne Lutton of The Immigration Invasion, and has written numerous editorials and opinion pieces including End of the Migration Epoch."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tanton
"According to Tanton, he is not against immigration but is an opponent of mass or massive immigration because it is not in his self-interest or that of other U.S. citizens. "Most Americans," writes Tanton, "oppose mass immigration because mass immigration is not in their interests. They are guilty of looking out for themselves and their perceived interests-exactly as the immigrants and their supporters do." Elaborating on the self-interest argument, Tanton explains. "Americans do not see the loss of their jobs or wages to immigrants to be in their interests. They do not see the crowding of their children's schools with large numbers of kids who have language and other difficulties to be in their interests. They do not see rapid cultural and linguistic transformations of their neighborhoods to be in their interests.
Tanton became the chairman of Sierra Club's Population Committee in 1971. Two years later, he was on the staff of Zero Population Growth (ZPG). In 1975, he became president of ZPG, a position he held until 1978. The surge in the zero population growth movement and concern about population increase in the United States steadily declined in the late 1970s as it became accepted that population growth rates had fallen sharply since the baby boom years following World War Two.
Tanton gradually changed his focus from population control and the environment to immigration issues. Along with other leading ZPG members who regarded immigration control as the main solution to population control in the United States, Tanton left ZPG in 1978 and in 1979 created FAIR. According to two observers of this split, "Their idea was that FAIR would take no stand on abortion and other controversial family planning issues in order to attract a wider constituency which would work for immigration reform not only for environmental reasons, but for economic relief for the working poor and taxpayers, for social cohesion, and for national security." In contrast, ZPG evolved to focus more on gender-related education, women's issues, and family planning than on population restriction policies as a solution to environmental problems."
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1360
Here is a list of 13 groups in the loose-knit Tanton network, followed by acronyms if the groups use them, founding dates, and Tanton's role in the groups.
*American Immigration Control Foundation
AICF, 1983, funded
*American Patrol/Voice of Citizens Together
1992, funded
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
CCIR, 1994, funded
Californians for Population Stabilization
1996, funded (founded separately in 1986)
Center for Immigration Studies
CIS, 1985, founded and funded
Federation for American Immigration Reform
FAIR, 1979, founded and funded
NumbersUSA
1996, founded and funded
Population-Environment Balance
1973, joined board in 1980
Pro English
1994, founded and funded
ProjectUSA
1999, funded
*The Social Contract Press
1990, founded and funded
U.S. English
1983, founded and funded
U.S. Inc.
1982, founded and funded
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=72
Those organizations designated as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) are marked with an asterisk (*).
Information on the SPLC will follow...............
The SPLC was originally started to ensure the rights of blacks, and to put a stop to racist groups such as the KKK, Neo-Nazis, Christian Identity, Skinheads, Neo-Confederates, and "Other" groups. However, the SPLC has been taken over as a means to support/promote the illegal invader issues/agenda---very similar to the ACLU.
I would be willing to bet that groups such as La Raza, Mecha, Maldef, etc. contribute to this organization.
"The Southern Poverty Law Center was founded in 1971 as a small civil rights law firm. Today, the Center is internationally known for its tolerance education programs, its legal victories against white supremacists and its tracking of hate groups.
Located in Montgomery, Alabama – the birthplace of the Civil Rights Movement – the Center was founded by Morris Dees and Joe Levin, two local lawyers who shared a commitment to racial equality. Its first president was civil rights activist Julian Bond."
http://www.splcenter.org/center/about.jsp
"The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is an American non-profit legal organization, whose stated purpose is to combat racism and promote civil rights through research, education, and litigation.
The Center is based in Montgomery, Alabama, in the Southern United States. It was founded in 1971 by Morris Dees and Joe Levin as a civil rights law firm. It is known for its tolerance programs, its legal fight against what it deems to be white supremacist groups, and its investigations of alleged hate groups. The Center publishes a quarterly Intelligence Report which investigates groups it accuses of political extremism and hate crimes in the United States. The center also sponsored the creation of a Civil Rights Memorial in downtown Montgomery designed by architect Maya Lin.
The Center has received criticism from some journalists for its political tactics and financial practices, as well as allegations of racial discrimination within the organization itself by former employees."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center
Currently, any groups/individuals who are anti-illegal invaders or who want closely monitored/checked legal immigration---are considered "hate groups/people". As also pointed out through the following information---the more people/groups that they target as "hate groups/people", the more money they can make!!
The SPLC has attracted controversy surrounding its politics, "hate group" identification and monitoring methods, and financial practices.
"In 1994 The Montgomery Advertiser published an 9-part investigative series alleging financial mismanagement, poor management practices, misleading fundraising, and institutionalized racism at the Center. The newspaper summarized its investigation as producing evidence of "a complex portrait of a wealthy civil rights organization essentially controlled by one man: Morris Dees.
The Advertiser also interviewed several former SPLC affiliates who alleged financial improprieties on the part of the Center. Pamela Summers, formerly a legal fellow with the Center, told the newspaper that the Center's legal department operates "as though the sole, overriding goal is to make money." Summers accused Dees of avoiding "go(ing) to court" on discrimination cases and instead relying upon financial contributions to obtain money.
The Center threatened legal action against the newspaper during the publication of the series, and lobbied against its consideration for journalism awards. Nonetheless, the investigative series was a finalist for a 1995 Pulitzer Prize.[13]
The Center states that "During its last fiscal year, the Center spent approximately 65% of its total expenses on program services. The Center also placed a portion of its income into a special, board-designated endowment fund to support the Center's future work. At the end of the fiscal year, the endowment stood at $120.6 million.
Fundraising criticism
In November 2000, Harper's Magazine published an article critical of the SPLC.[3] In "The Church of Morris Dees," Ken Silverstein wrote "Morris Dees doesn't need your financial support" because "the SPLC is already the wealthiest 'civil rights' group in America.
In fact, Silverstein cited the American Institute of Philanthropy who gave "the center one of the worst ratings of any group it monitors, estimating that the SPLC could operate for 4.6 years without making another tax-exempt nickel from its investments or raising another tax-deductible cent from well-meaning 'people like you'.
Conservative columnist David Horowitz [16] and Myles Kantor of the conservative Front Page Magazine[17] have both accused the SPLC of exaggerating the threat of racism in order to increase fund-raising revenue and of wrongfully applying the term "hate group" to legitimate organizations.
The effect is to multiply the number of racial hate groups, to scare well-meaning citizens into the belief that mainstream civil rights organizations like the Center for the Study of Popular Culture are really fever swamps of hate that deserve to be lumped alongside the Ku Klux Klan. The purpose of this fear-mongering is transparent. It is to fill the already wealthy coffers of your organization by exploiting unsuspecting donors into helping you promote leftwing agendas under the guise of civil rights. It does this by labeling legitimate political differences as racism and bigotry.
Horowitz further alleges on his Discover the Networks (DTN) website that the SPLC's "Teaching Tolerance" program is "far from a good-faith effort to instruct schoolchildren in the merits of tolerance." According to DSN, the program is used to promote a left-wing political agenda and "spread the virtues of political correctness" among children and teachers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center
Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of raids in Georgia
"Nov. 1, 2006 -- Federal immigration agents conducted illegal searches and relied on racial and ethnic profiling while carrying out a massive series of raids that terrorized residents of several towns in southeast Georgia in early September, according to a federal lawsuit filed today by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
The lawsuit charges that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents illegally detained, searched and harassed Latinos solely because of their appearance -- in violation of their Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights -- during an extensive campaign to drive them out of the area.
"It's outrageous that this could occur in America today," said Morris Dees, Center founder and chief trial counsel. "These ICE agents swooped into town, armed with everything but search warrants, and started rounding up people -- citizens and non-citizens alike -- merely because they had brown skin. Imagine the fallout if this had happened to white people.
The suit was filed in Atlanta in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia. The suit seeks not only compensatory and punitive damages but a court order enjoining ICE from using similar tactics in the future. The Center is asking the Court to approve the injunctive relief claim as a class action on behalf of all Latinos in the affected area."
http://www.splcenter.org/legal/news/article.jsp?site_area=2&aid=221
and the SPLC: So what? They are also responsible for pushing for the arrest of Nazis who killed thousands in Germany...
Oh, I forgot - ya'll don't believe the Jews were slaughtered.
My bad.
"The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit research organization founded in 1985. It is the nation's only think tank devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States.
Our Mission
It is the Center's mission to expand the base of public knowledge and understanding of the need for an immigration policy that gives first concern to the broad national interest. The Center is animated by a pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted.
The Katz Award for Excellence in the Coverage of Immigration
The Center hopes to raise the bar in immigration coverage by the media making an annual award to the journalist who best challenges the norm of immigration reporting.
http://www.cis.org
"The Center for Immigration Studies describes itself as "the nation's only think tank devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States." Founded in 1985 as a think tank to support the more activist work of the anti-immigrant Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), CIS is dedicated "to expand the base of public knowledge and understanding of the need for an immigration policy that gives first concern to the broad national interest.
CIS has achieved credibility with the media and in think tank circles because of its lack of the kind of strident anti-immigrant rhetoric associated with many restrictionist groups, its willingness to invite pro-immigrant voices to its forums, and the scholarly format of its reports.
CIS has also been critiqued as being part of a network of anti-immigrant groups that cater to a white supremacist constituency by right-wing economic libertarians who believe in the benefits of mass and unfettered immigration."
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1452
"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a nonpartisan immigration reduction-oriented, non-profit research organization and was founded in 1985. Its director is Mark Krikorian. As a 501(c)(3) organization, the CIS is not permitted to advocate for any political position on the question of immigration.
Its mission statement states:
It is the Center's mission to expand the base of public knowledge and understanding of the need for an immigration policy that gives first concern to the broad national interest. The Center is animated by a pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted.[1]
The CIS publishes books, reports, and white papers on immigration policy. These analyses address issues such as immigrant voting and electoral redistricting, impacts on low-wage and high-skilled workers, and the environmental consequences of immigration.
The Southern Poverty Law Center claims the CIS was founded and funded by John Tanton as an offshoot of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies
"And that says what, exactly? That Tanton now funds the largest ecological watchdog in the U.S. along with many, many anti-immigrant "think-tanks"?"
It proves--again---that everything that you post---and your sources are BS. In other words, you are not credible, and the information that you post is not credible, reliable, nor correct.
I will put it this way........your posts/BS say one thing. However, FAIR and CIS are organizations that research and produce data/facts/stats for the country. The MAJORITY of LEGAL US citizens know that what you post is BS--without any validation or credible sources.
However, they also know that the information/stats/facts provided by FAIR and CIS are valid/credible---as they are determined by our country to be sources of valid/credible information----sometimes the opposite of what plans/agenda our elected officials are trying to shove down our throats---no matter what political party.
Also, they are seeing and living the facts/stats provided by FAIR and CIS. They see the over crowded/failing schools due to the children of the illegal invaders, they see numerous healthcare facilities closing/suffering financial difficulty, they see 10+ people living in and destroying single family homes/apartments, they see unemployment and decreased wages in their cities/states, they see hundreds of LEGAL US citizens applying for the jobs that were created due to the raids on the illegals, they know that there are numerous people without healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck due to depressed wages/no jobs. Therefore, the stats/facts provided by FAIR and CIS just confirm what they already see and know!!
"and the SPLC: So what? They are also responsible for pushing for the arrest of Nazis who killed thousands in Germany...
Ummmmmm....no they were not responsible for finding/arresting Nazi war criminals. They located and pressed charges against domestic Nazi groups.
"Oh, I forgot - ya'll don't believe the Jews were slaughtered."
I'm sorry, I don't remember anyone ever saying this or implying this. This is just another pathetic and desperate attempt by you to twist/post BS in an attempt to try to get someone to believe the BS that you post and support the illegal invasion.
None of this has anything to do with the illegal invasion/invader issues/problems. Nobody ever said this or implied it. In your pathetic and desperate state, don't try to link what people think/feel/know regarding the illegal invasion and its effects to our country---to the millions of lost lives to innocent people in another country.
You deny this? Confirm your denial that Fairus, CIS, NumbersUSA, and the like are NOT white supremacy organizations with ulterior motives for campaigning against other races/ethnic groups.
Type: "I deny it."
Go ahead, darlin ---- So, we can get this all out of the way.
You want to debate me - fine - do it - but do it with reliable sources - not a bunch of white, bald millionaires who have successfully made half this country their cronies.
You want to quote these groups - fine.
But KNOW THIS: Anyone on Gather, with half a brain is going to be left with a sick feeling in the pit of their stomachs. You won't achieve your intended result by utilizing statistics and B.S. from racially motivated organizations who are just better at hiding behind their money and empty suits.
Americans are not stupid - Granted, your crowd's a few bricks shy of a load - but the majority of those who are against illegal immigration - are against it for the RIGHT reasons - not because of the shit you spit out by your KKK buddies.
Are you really that clueless, or is your desperation clouding your thinking process?
Did you not read the information that I posted above regarding your claims that these organizations are "white supremacy groups"?
I am not going to repost the same information.
If that was the case, the "white millionaires" would be providing facts/stats in support of the illegal invasion, not against it---as they would financially benefit from the illegal invasion.
Do you deny it?
your "copy and paste."
Katherine Holmes, who served as U.S. English research director
in 1988-89, is more blunt in her appraisal of Tanton. "My opinion
is that the guy is a racist," she says. "Not in the K.K.K. definition,
but as someone who sees the world in terms of groups of people
of different colors."...
Tom Olson, former P.R. director for U.S. English and another
casualty of Bricker's housecleaning, believes the Tanton network
does reflect "a bizarre kind of liberalism." He explains, "They feel
they are an elite, an intelligentsia capable of providing leadership,
using the powers of government to mold the future. But when you
get into what motivates them, they are concerned about shaping
demographic trends. They see people � cultural, racial, and immigrant
groups � as a negative factor on the environment." For these would-be
social engineers, it's a short step from the idea that people cause
pollution to the idea that people constitute pollution (some more than others).
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JWCRAWFORD/HYTCH6.htm
U.S. English members responded with complaints about communities being "overrun with all sorts of aliens," wetbacks on welfare, and
out-of-control Hispanic birthrates. A typical correspondent reasoned:
"At the rate the Latinos (and nonwhites) reproduce, [we] face a
demographic imbalance if we do not change several of our dangerously
outdated laws. Make English the official language everywhere in the
U.S.A." When a reporter asked Gerda Bikales, executive director of
U.S. English, about these letters, she replied:
I do not believe at all that we are responsible for any of this.
This is a mass movement. Anybody can and does join U.S.
English.<8> We do our very best to put out responsible ideas,
responsible policies. We're not hate-mongers. [But] you've got
this wide-open situation with hundreds of thousands of people
in a state of utter frustration, just watching English erode under
their very feet, with the government not giving a damn. There's
no doubt that as long as our political leadership is going to continue
to bury its head in the sand, we are going to have this kind of
situation that's ... somewhat out of control.
Had U.S. English taken any steps to repudiate this type
of support? "Well, I'm talking to you," she replied. "I'm making
it perfectly clear."
Tanton and his associates often seemed to believe that their
credentials as Save-the-Whales-type activists would deflect
the charge of exploiting racism. Rather than target conservatives
as potential contributors, to the dismay of Linda Chávez U.S.
English preferred to use the Greenpeace mailing list. Several
of Tanton's lieutenants were veterans of the Michigan
environmental movement. "The issues we're touching on here must
be broached by liberals," he insisted in the WITAN memo. So it was a
setback when Norman Lear's People For the American Way, one of
the few liberal lobbies still thriving in Washington, became an active
opponent. Tanton's memo, the group charged, had "laid bare the ugly
core of the English Only movement ... racism, plain and simple." It called
on Saul Bellow, Alistair Cooke, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and other
celebrity endorsers to join Walter Cronkite in quitting the U.S. English
advisory board.<9> Kathryn Bricker, a Tanton aide who replaced Linda
Chávez at the helm of U.S. English, met with leaders of People For to
ask them to reconsider. We're very well-meaning, she pleaded, we're
liberals like you, and seemed surprised when no minds were changed.
In 1988, there was a nasty exchange of letters in the Washington Post when a Georgetown University professor, Charles Keely, pointed out the associations between U.S. English, FAIR, and the Center for Immigration Studies, a FAIR spinoff. Writing to correct Keely's "serious errors," C.I.S. director David E. Simcox insisted that his group had "no connection with U.S. English." In fact, Tanton's U.S. Inc., the umbrella under which U.S. English then operated, had funneled more than $100,000 to FAIR and C.I.S. over the past three years. A few months previously, when U.S. English filed for independent corporate status, Simcox himself had signed on as one of its "incorporators."
A year later, Tanton came to the defense of another Pioneer Fund grantee, Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware. One of Gottfredson's colleagues, linguistics professor William Frawley, had protested a $174,000 Pioneer grant to support her research on educational "ability differences" among racial and ethnic groups. Frawley asked, "Does the University of Delaware wish to lend its name – wittingly or unwittingly – to an organization that unabashedly promotes intolerance?" In a letter supporting Gottfredson, Tanton responded: "If the new standard being promulgated is that funds can be received only from sources that pass some social litmus test, then this is a stringent requirement indeed. No organization could receive funds from the Ford Foundation unless it approved of Henry Ford's anti-Semitism, or of Ford's use of Harry Bennett and his goons to break union heads at the Battle of the Overpass, [or of] Mr. Ford's continuing to run his factories in Nazi Germany up until the time that the U.S. declared war on the country." Unconvinced, University of Delaware president E. A. Trabant decided to accept no additional grants from the Pioneer Fund as long as it "remains committed to ... a pattern of activities incompatible with the university's mission."
COPYRIGHT NOTICE: Copyright © 1992 by James Crawford. All rights reserved.
ProEnglish is a nonprofit organization that is among an array of national and state nonprofit organizations dedicated to ensuring that English be declared the official language of the federal, state, and local governments.
Founded in 1994 by former members of U.S. English (the national advocacy group founded in 1983 that spearheaded the "English-only" movement), ProEnglish says that it "is a member-supported, national, nonprofit organization working to educate the public about the need to protect English as our common language and to make it the official language of the United States." ProEnglish specializes "in providing pro-bono legal assistance to public and private agencies facing litigation or regulatory actions over language." (1)
The members of ProEnglish's board of directors are: Bob Park (chairman), Gerda Bikales, Leo Sorenson, and John Tanton. In 1988 Park founded Arizonans for Official English, the leading state organization that organized a successful initiative to make English the official language of Arizona, a measure that was later overturned. Before becoming a citizen activist in the issues of language and immigration restrictionism, Park had a 30-year career with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). Bikales was the founding executive director and a board member of U.S. English. Before coming to U.S. English, she was on the staff of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), another organization founded by John Tanton and funded in part through U.S. Inc, a nonprofit funding channel he established. (2) Sorensen, another longtime restrictionist, was a leading proponent of Proposition 63 in California, which made English the official state language by constitutional amendment. He is the cofounder of E Pluribus Unum, an organization committed to forging "national unity." John Tanton is the founder of a network of language and immigration restrictionist organizations, and the owner of Social Contract Press. K.C. McAlpin is the organization's executive director and media spokesperson. (1)
ProEnglish's board of advisers includes the following members: Gerda Bikales (chair), Gwat Battacharjie, Daniel Benvenuti, Dinesh Desai, Robert Hannay, Phil Kent, Lupe Moreno, Dr. Rosalie Porter, John M. Templeton, Jr., and Jess Valdez. ProEnglish publishes The ProEnglish Advocate, a quarterly newsletter.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1533
Institutional Affiliations
NumbersUSA: Founder, 1996 (1)
ProEnglish: Founder, Former Chairman, and Board, 1993-present (1)(4)
Social Contract Press: Founder, Former Editor, and Publisher, 1990-present (1) (3) (4) (5) (6)
E Pluribus Unum: Co-organizer, 1992 (6)
Emergency Committee on Puerto Rican Statehood and the Status of English in the United States: Co-organizer, 1990 (6)
American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities: Co-founder, 1989 (6)
Center for Immigration Studies: Founder, 1985 (1)
U.S. English: Co-founder and Chairman, 1982-1988 (1) (4) (6)
U.S. Inc.: Founder and Chairman, 1982-present (1) (6)
Population/Environment Balance: Former board member, 1980-1990 (6)
Federation for American Immigration Reform: Co-founder, Former Chairman and board member, 1979-present (1) (2) (3) (5) (6)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1360
Tanton founded a nationalist organization called WITAN-short
for the Old English term "witenagemot," meaning "council of wise
men." In 1986, Tanton signed a memo that went to WITAN members
that highlighted the supremacist bent of Tanton and FAIR. (7)(8)
The memo charged that Latin American immigrants brought a culture of political corruption with them to the United States and that they were unlikely to involve themselves in civil life. He raised the alarm that they could become the majority group in U.S. society.
What's more, he asked: "Can homo contraceptivus compete with homo progenitiva?" Answering his own rhetorical question, Tanton wrote that "perhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down!"
According to Tanton, "In California 2030, the non-Hispanic Whites and Asians will own the property, have the good jobs and education, speak one language and be mostly Protestant and 'other.' The Blacks and Hispanics will have the poor jobs, will lack education, own little property, speak another language and will be mainly Catholic."
Furthermore, Tanton raised concerns about the "educability" of Hispanics. (10) In 1988 the media published the Tanton memo, causing a number of former supporters of U.S. English to cut ties with Tanton, including Walter Cronkite. (7)(8)
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1360
Patrick McHugh of the Washington-based Center for Immigration
Studies, which purports to be a squeaky clean think tank that
rejects racism, was there pressing the flesh along with Barbara
Coe, head of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, who
repeatedly referred to Mexicans -- as she has for years -- as "savages."
The Citizens Informer, a white supremacist tabloid put out by the Council of Conservative Citizens hate group, was available.
NumbersUSA executive director Roy Beck, a long-time friend
of Coe's, adopted a more moderate tone when he addressed his
guests and told them what they should be doing to end the current
immigration regime. It would be better, Beck counseled, if their
attempts to lobby legislators that week did not appear to be
orchestrated by NumbersUSA. For their campaign to be effective,
he said, it "needs to look like a grassroots effort."
Grassroots – or astroturf?
To be sure, this was no grassroots effort. Nor is NumbersUSA,
in any sense of the word, a grassroots organization. Despite
attempts to appear otherwise, it is a wholly owned subsidiary
of U.S. Inc., a sprawling, nonprofit funding conduit that has
spawned three anti-immigration groups and underwrites
several others, many of which were represented at the
NumbersUSA conclave.
What's more, this interlocking network of supposedly independent
organizations is almost entirely the handiwork of one man,
a Michigan ophthalmologist named John H. Tanton.
A four-month investigation by the Intelligence Report,
conducted in the aftermath of the September terrorist attacks,
found that the appearance of an array of groups with large
membership bases is nothing more than a mirage. In fact,
the vast majority of American anti-immigration groups --
more than a dozen in all -- were either formed, led, or in
other ways made possible through Tanton's efforts.
The principal funding arm of the movement, U.S. Inc., is a
Tanton creation, and millions of dollars in financing comes
from just a few of his allies, far-right foundations like those
controlled by the family of Richard Mellon Scaife. Moreover,
tax returns suggest that claims of huge numbers of members
-- in the case of one group, more than 250,000 -- are geometric
exaggerations put forward to create a false picture of a
"movement" that politicians should pay attention to.
Finally, even as activists court increasing numbers of national
politicians in the wake of Sept. 11, the Report's investigation
reveals that they are moving in large numbers into the arms
of hate groups like the
Council of Conservative Citizens -- a
15,000-member organization whose Web site recently described
blacks as "a retrograde species of humanity."
In fact, many anti-immigration groups have been growing
harder- and harder-line since 1998, when they first began
working together with open white supremacists. Today, many
of their leading officials have joined racist organizations.
There's a word in Washington for outfits like these
anti-immigration organizations -- "astroturf," meaning that
they lack any genuine grassroots base.
That such groups,
with their increasingly direct links to racist organizations,
should have real power in the nation's capital may seem
hard to believe. But Americans have grown increasingly
xenophobic in the wake of the September terrorist attacks,
and the rapid growth of the Congressional Immigration
Reform Caucus that Tancredo heads reflects that --
from just 10 legislators prior to the attacks to 59 by May.
What kind of influence do extremists have in this
congressional caucus? Although that is hard to measure,
the caucus Web site now carries a prominent link to an
outfit called American Patrol -- a racist hate group run
by Californian Glenn Spencer.
With a tip of the hat to Tancredo and the other legislators
who have helped to provide him legitimacy, Spencer recently
deleted from his Web site the image of a cartoon figure
urinating on a Latino Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient.
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_print.jsp?id=554
The problem is the sheer magnitude of ignorance.
I'm not saying you have to understand the dilemmas with immigration. I'm not saying you have to like it, either.
What I am saying - is don't allow groups like this to gain power and momentum. This is a DESIGNED anti-immigration platform.
And it isn't designed by US. That's what is wrong with it. It doesn't present the facts, these people are lying for personal agendas - blatantly discriminating.
I don't know any white person who would allow a black person to be attacked - be they from the U.S., Honduras, the Caribbean, etc.
THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE.
If you want true answers - let's find them together. Let's look at the TRUE data from sources who are bi-partisan. Let's look internationally at other countries.
Anything - anything - except cater to the garbage being spouted all over the media.
You are not even worth the time of arguing with anymore---as your "racist/white supremist" accusations and BS---if it is info that doesn't support the fact that we should all be happy to adopt and support 20 million illegals and their children---is just that BS.
I have posted information above indicating why Tanton was called a racist and by who. However, you just skim over it with the sole purpose of finding some tidbit of information---no matter if it is credible---to support your illegal family and friends.
FYI----the MAJORITY of LEGAL US citizens want "English Only" in this country.
FYI----the MAJORITY of LEGAL US citizens realized a long time ago that it was necessary to slow down the population in the country, that is why birth rates decreased. It does not take a genius to figure out that unchecked birth rates--uncontrolled population growth---will eventually have an effect on the environment, resources, etc. That is why our country is currently slipping toward third-world status due to the unchecked birth rates of the illegal invaders---who could care less what happens to the environment/resources and plan on the LEGAL US tax payers supporting them and their anchor children.
A complete description of FAIR and CIS are provided above. Their purpose, goals, etc. are also provided above or through the links.
Those who are aware of the destruction of our economy, environment, country, middle class due to the illegal invasion know the stats/facts posted are valid/credible--as they live the results of the illegal invasion on a daily basis.
Those who believe you and your BS---simply because you say so---will never open their eyes anyways.
"I don't know any white person who would allow a black person to be attacked - be they from the U.S., Honduras, the Caribbean, etc. "
NOBODY said that or suggested that. Quit twisting/posting information that has nothing to do with the subjects, is not true, and is nothing but BS to support your own personal agenda---which is to make sure that your illegal man and the rest of your illegal family/friends do not get deported.
I for one do not want to adopt and support 20 million illegal invaders and their anchor children--and based on polls/reports/stats---neither does the MAJORITY of LEGAL US citizens.
You will see that it comes to a site called------
CHAPTER SIX
(excerpt)
Hispanophobia
By James Crawford
What a freaken joke.
"RAUL YZAGUIRRE, president of the National Council of La Raza, minces no words: "U.S. English is to Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks." However harsh that analysis may seem, it is the consensus among Latino leaders, from rightist Cubans to liberal Chicanos to radical Puerto Ricans. English Only has united them like nothing else in recent memory. They perceive it to be a campaign of intolerance, aimed in particular at Spanish and its speakers. To their ears "the legal protection of English" sounds a lot like "equal rights for whites": a demand inspired by the paranoia of the dominant group, a backlash against Hispanic advances in civil rights, education, and political empowerment. In a word, racism. "
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JWCRAWFORD/HYTCH6.htm
Sunday, January 28, 2007
Support Grows for Immigration Plan
By Cory Reiss
Ledger Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON - The buzz around the Republican National
Committee was that Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida would face
a challenge to his election as general chairman because he
wants to give illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.
That made headlines. But when a Jan. 12 voice vote of the
168-member RNC rolled around, the nays could be counted
on one hand.
The skimpy protest among the party's activist elite begs a
question: How deep is the animosity among Republicans toward
comprehensive immigration reform, and where does the issue
stand on Republicans' priority list?
Republicans have been wrestling with that rift throughout
President Bush's tenure. With a Democrat-controlled Congress
more sympathetic to Bush's renewed call for comprehensive
reform, which he made in his State of the Union address last
week, Republicans face a decision about bridging this internal
divide or baring it for the 2008 elections.
"I think it says a huge amount," Martinez, a native of
Cuba who is now the face of the GOP, said of the size
of the no vote. "The vitriolic opposition to any comprehensive
immigration reform - that's not mainstream Republicanism, I don't think."
The Iraq war overshadowed much of Bush's State of the
Union speech last week, but he focused on domestic policy
in four areas: health insurance, energy, the budget and
immigration. Of those proposals, conventional wisdom on
Capitol Hill says his best chance for success under a
Democrat-controlled Congress is with immigration, but
members of his own party have been the problem.
"Extending hope and opportunity in our country requires
an immigration system worthy of America - with laws that
are fair and borders that are secure," Bush said.
Republican hardliners in the House killed legislation in
line with Bush's proposals last year, after the Senate
passed it, and approved a rival enforcement-only bill.
Those House Republicans say they have lost momentum
and numbers, with defeat in November of key supporters.
"Now we are completely in the defensive mode again,"
said Rep. Tom Tancredo, a Colorado Republican who led the
anti-"amnesty" charge.
Still, opponents of the Bush plan said the minor protest
at the RNC was a positive sign, given the pressure on
committee members to unanimously support the president's
choice for the job.
"I'm surprised we got any no's at all," said Jim Boulet Jr.,
executive director of the group English First and master
of the web site stopmartinez.com.
THROUGH THE 'WILDERNESS'
Republicans in Florida, a state with such a mix of languages
that Tancredo late last year compared Miami to a third-world
country, reflect the party divisions.
Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, R-Fla., said for example that
she doesn't buy the definition of "amnesty" offered by
Bush and Martinez, who propose a fine on some 12million
illegal immigrants for breaking U.S. law and thus argue they
do not support amnesty. But Brown-Waite said that as far as
this issue is concerned, Bush is better off with Democrats in
control.
"Unfortunately, I do think he will succeed with Democrats,
who support a liberal immigration policy," she said.
Rep. Adam Putnam of Florida, the third-ranking Republican
in the House, has supported giving illegal immigrants legal
status and the opportunity for citizenship under strict conditions.
But he is treading lightly on that as he tries to help Republicans
regroup for the next elections.
"I see a way through the wilderness on immigration,"
Putnam said. "The thing about immigration is it's not
really a partisan issue."
That's true to some extent. House Republicans against Bush's
plan said they are now counting on the fiscally conservative,
mostly Southern Democrats in the Blue Dog Coalition to side
with them.
Many of those members have opposed the route to citizenship.
Democrats won the House with considerable help from Blue
Dog victories, and those freshmen will feel pressure from both sides.
Still, the coalition chairman, Rep. Allen Boyd of Florida, sides with
Bush. "I think it's an area we could probably find agreement on,"
Boyd said.
An immigration bill co-authored by Martinez, which included giving
legal status to illegal immigrants, passed the Senate last year,
62-36. House Republican leaders, minding the vocal opposition
in their ranks, killed it.
Some members on both sides say that an immigration bill targeting
agriculture workers, also co-sponsored by Martinez, could provide
a middle ground and a first step if a broader bill proves unreachable.
Now Democrats are pressuring Bush to lean on congressional
Republicans as maneuvering begins on the next reform bills.
"The only way we're going to get things done is if the president
steps up to the plate and stands up to the right wing of his party,"
said an aide to Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader.
ASSIMILATE POR FAVOR
Polls on immigration last year suggested that the majority
of Americans don't think border security is strong enough. But
immigration tended to rank low on the voters' priority list before
the election. Several polls showed strong majorities in favor of
giving illegal immigrants legal status and a route to citizenship.
With Republicans plotting a way back to the majority,
immigration could be a fork in the road. Bush is making a play for
Latino voters by tapping Martinez, who routinely gives interviews
in Spanish, to lead.
Bush is reaching out to Republican nay-sayers as well. In his State
of the Union message, he highlighted his administration's crackdown
on employers and pledged border enforcement.
"We need to uphold the great tradition of the melting pot that
welcomes and assimilates new arrivals," Bush said. "We need
to resolve the status of the illegal immigrants who are already
in our country without animosity and without amnesty."
People on both sides said they support Bush's call for assimilation.
"It's really important that people...assimilate into the American way of life," said Martinez, who told the RNC that his journey from Cuban immigrant to lawyer and U.S. senator epitomizes the American dream. "That's what I did."
Where is the link for the article that you posted above?
Brenda: Here's a tip. If you want to know where I got it - Google the headline.
*****
*In the wake of President George W. Bush's seventh State of the
Union address, BlackAmericaWeb.com, founded by nationally syndicated
radio personality Tom Joyner, offers a sobering assessment of the state
of Black America that reveals strong feelings about race, the War in
Iraq, the Gulf Coast recovery, immigration and gun control.
Based on extensive interviews with residents, politicians,
government officials, experts and an online survey, BlackAmericaWeb.com's 'State of Black America 2007' series identified several critical issues:
* Race remains a prevalent factor throughout most everyday life.
* Bush is blamed for the war in Iraq and that the U.S. government for not providing adequate mental health counseling for those currently fighting or returning from war.
* Most are dissatisfied with the post-Hurricane Katrina recovery and believe that Bush should appoint a 'recovery' czar.
* Many believe that the current U.S. immigration policy is
draining local resources, feel that American industry will benefit
from pro-Immigration policies and they are against Congress making it easier for undocumented aliens to become legalized citizens.
* Many support gun control and said they were victims of a gun-related crime.
The series features a range of downloadable interviews with key officials, experts and residents. To read the full series and listen to the interviews, go to
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/stateof/.
http://eurweb.com/story/eur31034.cfm
LULAC began as a patriotic, pro-American, pro-citizenship organization and remained that way until the late 1950s. During its first three decades, it encouraged Hispanic assimilation to the "Anglo" culture and the acceptance of English as America's primary language, discouraging the establishment of Spanish-language enclaves. It rejected the idea that the American Southwest should be returned to Mexico, and endorsed the deportation of illegal Mexicans during President Eisenhower's "Operation: Wetback" in 1954.
Google LULAC.
You definitely need to do some further research on LULAC. The organization may have started out with the beliefs, goals, etc. that you described above, but that is not what they are about today!!
They are just like the other groups (La Raza, Mecha, etc) in regard to their direction now. They no longer believe/support assimmilation, blending into the melting pot,etc. They are now----gimme gimme gimme-----just like the rest. Anything that is not done for the illegals or given to the illegals is because we are racist.
Also, the new president, ROSA ROSALES, is a nut case. About two months ago, CNN had a town meeting in Texas (I can't remember which city). Rosa was on the panel to discuss/speak for LULAC. She did nothing but provide comic relief, and was treated as such throughout the show. She was just like Jackie---spouting off all of this information/BS as facts-- without any proof/stats/reports, etc. Whenever Lou Dobbs asked her for the source for her information--she said something to the effect of "I don't need any reports, I just know"---or something like that.
As I said, how LULAC started out and what they are now, are two different beasts.
WHEN have I EVER come on Gather preaching LULAC and La Raza and Mecha?
WHEN?
When has Brenda NOT consistently vomited Tanton, racially motivated, garbage - insulting any person here with enough sense to know that the color of one's skin has nothing to do with the legal status or brain capacity?
Honestly: Tell me when http://chriscannon.house.gov/press2004/Anti_immigration_connections.doc
has been directly related to anything except VALID, EMPIRICAL DATA?
How strange that you find it so hard to believe the truth - even when slapped in the face - you have to turn me into something I am obviously not.
It's okay not to hate these people. It's okay not to be racist. It doesn't matter how brown we become - It doesn't matter if we are 1st generation or 100th.
What matters is that we will fight and die for what we believe in. What matters is that we live in the wealthiest, most progressive industrialized country on this earth.
Regardless of what white supremecists say - regardless of how you fear the unknown....It WILL be okay. They are just people and they WANT to be American. The only thing stopping them is people too frightened and close-minded to believe that they have already proven that they contribute.
They aren't perfect....And if these comments are any indication - We aren't either.
This is great Jackie, as long as they do it in there own country.
Was your school the one that they took all of the foreign flags down from today? Just wondering , I heard it on the news and thought perhaps it was your school.
Also if people don't fear the unknown they wouldn't be normal, would they?
Cool huh!!!!
How is it possible to debate with you when you run away from an article every time your tactics run out and you can't come up with any more answers? Instead you just leave that "debate" and start yet another one that you'll run away from when cornered with questions you cannot answer.
I've been chasing Jackie around since September of last year. Same thing, double talk, useless spins, not answering or debating direct questions or facts, the duck and run to another thread when she is cornered and outgunned, playing the race card in her never ending attempt to convince us that illegal immigration is good for America.
Some things never change.
I think anyone who reads the article posted has enough sense to draw their own conclusions.
Lisa, it was hard to keep up/distinguish between rants and questions.
Please outline anything I may have missed.
Timothy: hmmmm......Kentucky wasn't on my list of states to research....but for you - I'm willing to make an exception.
You can qoute all of the stats that you want. I write from my own experiences.
Uh, yeah. And I'm trying to tell you how your illegals are making MY WORK much harder and taking the WORK of legals in this country.
Lisa, it was hard to keep up/distinguish between rants and questions.
Those the sentences that end with a ? You know, the ones you either ignore altogether or answer with a re-direct or some information that doesn't pertain at all to the question.
I'm still waiting for you to explain how religion comes into play in all of this.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me which highways were constructed using illegals being paid $7.00 -$9.00 per hour in violation of The Davis-Bacon Act. And no- please don't try what you did before by talking about "other" construction projects- you specifically said they are building our highways. So which ones are they building?
It might fool some people for you to continually start new articles about this after running away from the last ones but there are some of us who will continue to be here with the tough questions you just don't seem to want to answer.
QUESTION: WHAT IS THE MOST PREVALENT RACE OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, THAT YOU HAVE SEEN WITH YOUR OWN EYES, WORKING ON SMALL AND LARGE JOBS.
QUESTION: DO YOU BELIEVE THESE ARE LEGAL, ILLEGAL OR A MIXTURE OF WORKERS.
As far as religion and illegal immigration, Lisa.....It's kinda like politics and illegal immigration. Would you not agree?
I don't run - darlin. I just have alot to say. Sorry if that offends you.
"[Proposition] 187 was the last gasp of white America in California."
-- Art Torres, Jan. 15, 1995
"English-only speakers are the pendejos. We will elect the next President. Latino vote is a 20-state alliance. We will decide the ballot issues."
-- Rep. Estaban Torres, June 8, 1996
"We're in a civil war...United Latinos will win throughout California."
-- Joe Baca, California State Assembly, June 9, 1997
"We're all Americans, whether you're illegal or not."
__ Hilda Solis, California State Senator, July 14, 1996.
"We would change the political panorama of not only of L.A. but L.A. County and the state. And when we do that, you change the political panorama of the nation. So we did it very quietly..."
-- L.A. School Superintendent Zacarias, June 8, 1997.
"We are recouping our lost territories, we are doing it slowly, of course, but with much tremendous gain, all of the land is paved."
-- Silva-Herzog, Mexican Ambassador to the U.S. August 26, 1997
"We will not tolerate foreign forces dictating and enacting laws on Mexicans."
-- Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, on U.S. immigration law, April 4, 1997.
Art Torres: "And people say to me on the Senate floor when I was in the Senate, why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs? And I tell my white colleagues, you're going to need them."
---Art Torres, Chair, California Democratic Party
-- U.C. Riverside Latino Conference-The Immigration Crisis - Response to Prop. 187, Jan. 13-14, 1995.
Prop 187 was VOTED in by the People of Calif., a judge held it unconstitutional.
A single, one person, judge. Now is this a Democracy or what?
None of those listed in your comment above have spent millions of dollars in media campaigns to influence the way of thinking in this country. NONE have done this. However, can we say the same of the anti-immigrant movement.
Also, keep in mind, there are ulterior motives here. These groups don't scream as loudly about legal status as they scream about race and ethnicity. As far as whites needing affirmative action - yes, we will, in about 20 years. That's why what we do now is SO very important.
We cannot dislodge millions of illegal immigrants. We CAN prevent future travesties for all involved. As far as I'm concerned, the collective energy is better spent doing just that.
QUESTION: WHAT IS THE MOST PREVALENT RACE OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, THAT YOU HAVE SEEN WITH YOUR OWN EYES, WORKING ON SMALL AND LARGE JOBS.
QUESTION: DO YOU BELIEVE THESE ARE LEGAL, ILLEGAL OR A MIXTURE OF WORKERS.
You aren't making assumptions about the legal status of people by merely looking at them are you Jackie?
And how do you know what they are paid by looking at them? You stated that they are being paid $7-$9 per hour and now you are asking for substantiation of what you pulled out of the sky by asking others what they see. Can you also tell by my picture how much money I make? Or is your assumptive power only good with "possible" illegals.
The fact is that you don't have any proof that:
1. The workers on these projects are making $7 - $9 per hour
2. That they are illegal
So you basically made it up. Unless of course you have some proof that you can provide for us of this "fact" you put out there.
As far as religion and illegal immigration, Lisa.....It's kinda like politics and illegal immigration. Would you not agree?
No, I would not agree at all. Illegal immigration IS a political issue. Please tell me how it's a religious issue? I'm still waiting for your answer for that.
"None of those listed in your comment above have spent millions of dollars in media campaigns to influence the way of thinking in this country. NONE have done this. However, can we say the same of the anti-immigrant movement."
Only five of the seven people that were mentioned in my comment have spent millions in media campaigns to influence the way of thinking in this country. The other two lied their way into the positions.
Jackie: Whats wrong with being a minority? Whats wrong with being a majority?
Also, I don't believe in affirmative action. If people are that stupid maybe they should stay in school instead of dropping out. Or, quit being to cool for school.
The truth Jackie, is that these people have an agenda. One of the things on their agenda is to have kids, lots of kids while in the U.S.A.. The birth/death ratio for Americans is one to one. The birth/death ratio for illegal invaders is eight to one when their in the U.S.A. How do you expain that when these invaders are living in their own country, they only have an average of three children born to them? Who told those people invading this country to come over here and get on the dole, fill up our E.R's, march in the our streets demanding immediate amnesty, taking the entry level jobs away from the American citizens, etc. The tyrannists doing this are traitors to this country. And, should be held accountable for their actions. Don't you agree?
She's also psychic in her racism and can tell you how much money someone on the road is making based on their skin color and the fact they are there! "Oh, that one- he's brown- he's illegal and he's making $7.00 per hour!
Take it on the road Jackie! "The Amazing Beltran"
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I have to acknowledge that controlling population without resorting to war, famine, epidemic or similar means is the powerful singular challenge mankind faces today. That said, some of the things proposed in this article would be totally repugnant to me and border on class warfare. "Sterilize low income people" is not a moral answer to the problem. Advanced birth control and education are very good alternatives and need to be adopted in other countries as well.
I can't support unregulated and illegal immigration. It is imperative that immigrants be legal and recorded as were my ancestors. And I believe that it behooves persons immigrating to America to behave like Americans. That means don't expect more than other Americans and try to learn the language. Retain and be proud of your culture but learn that Americans have a culture to share with you.
And this country's first responsibility in controlling its population should be directed to this country including excess immigration.
There is the matter that if you are going to have a class of "lords" or wealthy, you need a class of "slaves" or the poor and helpless. Negroes served in this matter for many years and after the Civil War they were joined by the Chinese. Now we are using undocumented Mexican citizens for this. The best way to curb this practice is to eliminate the chance for employment for illegals. And it can be done but that is another subject.
The focus should be on moral and legal justice - meaning understanding our role and taking responsibility while understanding their role and forcing them to be responsible.
How to prevent further uncontrolled influxes? You see - I was angry and frustrated for a very long time. I just kept thinking, "Why did the govt. just allow them to sneak in? Why did they not say to us, Look - we need labor and we're going to import 8 million workers over the next three years. We're going to give them permission and a 7 year work permit, etc."
I know now why they couldn't do that...The people of this nation would have had no problem as long as they didn't stand out too much - as long as they spoke English and as long as they looked like the rest of us.
In short - If the govt. had imported 8 million from Britain and Germany and the Netherlands - this would not even be an issue.
That's the REALLY sad part of all this.