Another Tanton Organization and Who They Endorse in the Elections

Well, isn't Ms. Tanton simply participating in the democratic process? If it's people behind organizations not showing their face that you dislike, I hope you post all of the candidates being endorsed by George Soros and his billions being passed through various groups.

Or maybe i'll devote an article to that...

funny, they appeared to blame clinton and had nothing to say about reagan. aw yes, the amnesty of the late 1990's, when the republicans were the majority in congress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/opinion/24meese.html?ex=1306123200&en=aa37c8e9f097e449&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Op-Ed Contributor
An Amnesty by Any Other Name ...
By EDWIN MEESE III
Published: May 24, 2006

yes, your link sure does have their favorites.

but that doesn't mean their cause isn't just.
however, that doesn't mean that i would vote for their candidates.
flake, my congressperson, is running unopposed.
one of their candidates is being investigated now, for writing an inaccurate letter about who can vote and who can't.
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i don't know what happened, jackie, but this article was printed twice to our group. so i'm removing the duplicate. the other article will stay on the group.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Are the people listed the ones you are endorsing.

You write this as though it was the middle of a conversation that we aren't a part of.

I can't believe anyone would endorse that doddering idiot relic Robert Byrd. Wasn't he stuffed by a taxidermist back in the mid-90's? LOL

They do put a palatable spin on their efforts.

Is Mary Lou related to John "The Puppeteer" Tanton?

Yes Jackie, you are correct in your assertion we must look to the future without racist attitudes. Tell me why you think people of European descent are lazy? You claim we are racist if we exercise our right of political dialogue. To equate illegal immigration with the martydom of Dr. King makes a mockery of all that great man accomplished. To anyone who wants to join us through legal channels, renounce their allegiance to their home country, learn English, and become an American citizen I say "Welcome brother I hope you find the answer to your prayers here in my country." For those who choose to sneak across our border in the dead of night I have nothing. I believe the answer to their problem lies not here but in reforming the government in their home lands. that is where their struggle should be. If you feel so strongly about their plight perhaps you might find your answer in Christian relief to the oppressed in their home lands where it is needed not by stripping their homes of the ones neede to lift them out of poverty.

Nanci: I apologize for the lack of explanation. I was trying to be brief. The Tanton Family offers a legacy to the people of the United States. It is one reminiscent of the KKK and Hitler-like organizations. They have tried and failed to mask their true motivation behind funding several "legitimate" think tanks and organizations designed to spread the hate. Google the Tanton name and research the above links as well as NumbersUSA and Center for Immigration Studies, for more information.

duane: So, it's okay to support other races and ethnicities - as long as we send them "free" money...? Perhaps you would equate MLK, Jr. to the Haitian plight, then - if it is a matter of race...?

I will post more articles on the conversations and views of the majority on black people during the 60's. It's time we realize just how very similar the two are and how very similar our reactions are.

The bottom line is this: whether you like it or not - we don't number enough to drive the economy, we can't very well steal from countries with similar issues, and we can hardly hold them accountable when we refuse to be accountable.

We unenforced laws, created laws to enable the illegal immigrants to pay taxes and now we attack. My my...aren't we just the pillars of society?

I'm of European descent, duane - I've never, ever worked as hard as these folks in an 8 hour day. I've worked in factories, waitressed, been a secretary....you try lifting 15 lb buckets of sweet potatoes at .40 a bucket and still earn $80 in 8 hours.

I give you tons of similar examples. You have your experiences - I have mine. I see it, every damn day, then I come back and face people like you who think those yams just magically arrived at your table.

The sentiment runs so deeply, many suggest paying more for their food. We already have families on welfare and food stamps - I know that at this moment, I spent my last 10$ on food. I get paid on Tuesday. You are allowing your prejudice to overrun your brain. You will force millions to suffer food scarcity so you can have the pleasure of not seeing a brown face.

That may be your idea of justice and you can be rightly proud when in the next two years, costs raise to accommodate your views and children suffer. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the corporations will absorb costs - we both know that they won't.

d.m. Here is an article on the Tanton Family Legacy:

This article can be found on the web at
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051121/blumenthal


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The Virginia GOP's Dirty Money
by MAX BLUMENTHAL

[posted online on November 4, 2005]

Editor's Note: The original version of this report, posted
November 4, erroneously stated that Peter Gemma, former
media director of the National Policy Institute, had met with
neo-Nazi leader Bill White. That reference has been removed.
The Nation regrets the error.

Virginia Republican gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore
has made illegal immigration a centerpiece of his campaign,
promising an aggressive crackdown on day laborers and
undocumented immigrants attending state universities.
"Will we reward illegal behavior with hard-earned dollars
from law-abiding citizens?" he asked a campaign rally crowd
this August. "I say the answer to this question should be an
easy one: no!" While Kilgore accepts the financial support of
an anti-immigrant group with racist ties, he also has taken
massive contributions from companies notorious for exploiting
undocumented immigrant labor.

Virginia Republican Attorney General candidate Bob
McDonnell has declared himself "a drug dealer's worst nightmare,
" while appearing in ads slamming imaginary crooks behind prison
doors and pledging to protect Virginians from sexual predators.
McDonnell has not only financed his campaign through a possibly
illegal slush fund but has hired three former associates of indicted
Republican über-lobbyist Jack Abramoff. One of them, who once
served as McDonnell's campaign manager, is now in prison for
soliciting sex with a young boy.

With friends like these, it's hard to imagine how Kilgore
and McDonnell expect their law-and-order message to be
taken seriously. Without such friends, however, it would be
difficult for them to plaster their message on TV screens
throughout the Old Dominion. And so they have eagerly
racked up contributions from controversial and at times
contradictory interests, hoping that wedge issues and
pseudo-populist rhetoric will paper over their sordid
finances. Thus far, with Kilgore running neck-and-neck
with his Democratic challenger, Tim Kaine, and McDonnell
enjoying a comfortable lead over Democrat Creigh Deeds--
and with less than a week left until election day--the strategy
seems to be working.

Kilgore's overt nativism has elicited support from
the innocuous-sounding US Immigration Reform PAC,
which donated $2,000 to his campaign. The PAC is headed
by Mary Lou Tanton, wife of John Tanton, a Michigan-based
ophthalmologist the Southern Poverty Law Center says has
"either formed, led or otherwise made possible...the vast
array of America's anti-immigration groups."

Tanton founded what is now the largest anti-immigration
lobby in the country: the Federation of Americans for Immigration
Reform (FAIR). Under his leadership, FAIR struck up a relationship
with the Pioneer Fund, an organization dedicated to advancing
the discredited pseudo-science of eugenics, and which promoted
Nazi propaganda films during the 1930s. Between 1985 and
1994, the Pioneer Fund bankrolled FAIR with $1.2 million.

Today, the Tantons continue to ally themselves with racist
figures and organizations. Just last year, US Immigration
Reform PAC paid a far-right activist named Peter Gemma
more than $7,000 for consulting services. According to the
Center for New Community, a Chicago-based civil rights
group, Gemma has helped organize numerous Holocaust
denial conferences, at which he has spoken alongside
the likes of David Duke and fascist author David Irving.
Gemma is the former media director for the National Policy
Institute, an avowedly white nationalist think tank in Northern
Virginia posing as the answer to the question it asks presumably
white visitors to its website: "Who speaks for us?"

Correction: The preceding paragraph has been corrected,
to remove an erroneous statement in the original version,
posted November 4, that Peter Gemma had met with
neo-Nazi leader Bill White.

By introducing the anti-immigrant movement's extremist
agenda into a high-profile statewide race in barely
warmed-over form, Kilgore has not only added an expedient
wedge issue to his arsenal; he has sought to neutralize the
criticism other pro-business Republicans have earned from
the right for embracing the immigration-friendly policies that
insure their corporate donors a steady pool of cheap labor.
Kilgore has attempted this political high-wire act by homing
his attacks on state-funded forms of assistance to
undocumented immigrants, such as a public day laborer
center in northern Virginia. He has studiously shied away
from criticizing the corporations that lure the bulk of illegal
labor to Virginia, however, reflecting a central contradiction
of his candidacy.

Kilgore's donation from US Immigration Reform PAC is dwarfed by those he has received from companies that habitually prey on the state's ever-increasing population of undocumented laborers. One of them, Smithfield Foods, has stuffed Kilgore's campaign coffers with $36,000. According to the United Food and Commercial Workers's Justice@Smithfield, "Smithfield Packing [a subsidiary] has created an environment of intimidation, racial tension, fear and sometimes, violence, for workers who desperately want a voice on the job." In 2000 Judge John H. West ruled that Smithfield committed thirty-six labor violations during a union-busting campaign in the 1990s, which included threatening to report Latino workers to the Immigration and Naturalization Services if they joined union ranks.

While McDonnell has echoed Kilgore's anti-immigrant rhetoric,
pledging among other things to block undocumented immigrants
from receiving driver's licenses, he is better known as Taliban Bob,
a nickname his critics gave him for his reactionary stance on social
issues. A graduate of Pat Robertson's Regent University who owes
his election to the Virginia House of Delegates to the support of
Ralph Reed's Christian Coalition, McDonnell tried to block a judge
from appointment in 2003 for allegedly being a lesbian. That same
year, when a reporter asked McDonnell if he had ever committed
sodomy, he refused to give an unequivocal answer, replying,
"Not that I can recall."

Though like Kilgore, McDonnell has taken contributions from
controversial donors like Smithfield Packing, which donated
more than $100,000 to his campaign, many of his corporate
contributors have opted to remain anonymous. Thanks to a
slush fund set up by the Republican State Leadership
Committee, a tax-exempt 527 organization, McDonnell
has taken in nearly $1 million from donors he won't have
to identify until after the November 8 election. While the
Virginia Democratic Party has filed a complaint with the
State Board of Elections, the Deeds campaign accuses
McDonnell of using the fund to conceal donations from
the gambling industry. They have yet to offer proof, but
the accusation hints at McDonnell's proximity to gambling
interests.

Two of McDonnell's top consultants and his former
campaign manager used a Virginia-based Christian-right
organization, the Faith and Family Alliance, to launder
casino lobbyist Jack Abramoff's money. The Alliance was
founded by two former business partners of Ralph Reed,
Tim Phillips and Phil Cox, and was directed by Robin Vanderwall.
In 2000, Vanderwall was instructed by Reed to deposit a $150,000
check sent by conservative antitax activist Grover Norquist, then
write a new check for the same amount and send it back to Reed's
consulting firm, Century Strategies. Both Norquist and Reed were
being paid by Abramoff to lobby against a congressional
antigambling bill on behalf of his client, e-Lottery.

"I was operating as a shell," Vanderwall told the
Washington Post of his role in Abramoff's operation.
"I regret having anything to do with it."

Vanderwall is a longtime associate of McDonnell. They
attended Regent University together, and in 1999 Vanderwall
managed McDonnell's campaign for Virginia's House of Delegates.
Today, while McDonnell campaigns for draconian penalties
against sex offenders, Vanderwall serves a seven-year
sentence in state prison for soliciting sex with a 13-year-old boy
who turned out to be an undercover cop.

Phillips and Cox, meanwhile, have been hired as
consultants by the McDonnell campaign to the tune
of nearly $2 million. McDonnell has also tapped American
Marketing and Publishing Company, a subsidiary of Reed's
Century Strategies, paying the company $355,716 for its services.

So far, McDonnell has managed to sidestep questions
about his revival of this Abramoff-oiled machinery for his
campaign. Asked by a reporter if he knows who the
anonymous donors to his slush fund are, McDonnell
responded with a slight variation of his reply to the
2003 question about his sexual history: He claimed
he didn't know.

While McDonnell and Kilgore stake their candidacies on
wedge issues, the people and groups operating in their
shadows remain unexamined, allowing them to operate
on separate tracks: one overt, the other covert. Thus,
each tough-on-crime commercial serves to conceal the
sleazy lobbyists and front groups who financed it. Like
their corruption-laden counterparts across the Potomac
River, the Republicans at the top of Virginia's ticket cannot
and do not acknowledge the real nature of their campaigns.

Jackie -

There are plenty of us here in America who would pay 50% more for our produce just to have the illegal alien problem gone. Too bad, because now it will take years, and that is only if our politicians grow spines of steel.

Jackie. Do you know that in every single industry in which there are illegal immigrants, they are only the minority. That means that in this country THERE ARE AMERICANS DOING ALL OF THOSE JOBS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Illegal Immigrants are not the majority of any of the industries that you generally find them in. Construction, hotels, whatever. Don't take my word for it, check out what the Pew Hispanic Center says here: http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/16.pdf

So your argument that Americans, or Europeans, or Irish people, or whoever, is bogus. Cause there are people in different parts of the country doing all of these jobs, and they're not all illegal. There are whites, blacks, chinese, and i'm sure everyone else is in on it too.

Secondly. I already posted the statistics that showed that increasing wages does not have such a drastic affect on price of product that some people predict. Here is another article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003265139_imprices19.html

You know many states are passing much higher minimum wage laws this year, and who do you think is gonna get the benefit of that?

It's funny, but everytime you post on illegal immigration, I get just a little more conservative on the issue. Keep it up Jacko.

hmmmm.....Oscar and just WHAT does your comment have to do with the article posted?

As to your statement about the illegal immigrants and where they are located - you are misinformed.

Do your homework. What percentage of farm workers in the U.S. are suspected of being illegal? Where do they reside?

What percentage of illegal immigrants do we estimate are working in construction?
Where are they located?

As to your claim that they won't have any real effect if deported.....LOL....how would you know if you don't know for sure how many there are?

We THINK there are 12 million....What if there are 20 million?

Don't you think we should know with some certainty or do you believe it's okay to act of ignorance?

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out...

Jackie, this just shows how silly you are. I made statements, and posted information to back those statements up. Then you come on and say that I am acting out of ignorance, while you post no facts or backup info whatsoever. How silly can you be?

We all know that illegals are concentrated in certain areas mostly, and that a few states carry most of the burden for illegal immigration. CA, NY, TX, etc. Of course there are pockets of illegals all over the country, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not the majority in any particular industri in terms of labor.

You say "do your homework", but have you? I did my homework, and what I came out with was the Pew Hispanic numbers that say that in no area are illgals the majority of the workforce. Does that not count as "homework"? Of course not, when it conflicts with what you "know" right. Why don't you do your homework and post it here so that we can talk about it.

You ask me questions that are answered by the Pew research that I posted, but I guess it's beneath you to actually pay attention to research. You'd rather go with your gut.

I didn't say that not having illegals in the workforce would have NO effect on the prices we pay, but AS THE ARTICLE WHICH YOU REFUSE TO READ says, it may not have the drastic affect that many people on the left are claiming. I am simply bringing facts to the debate, and I know that it rubs you the wrong way to have to deal with facts.

Why don't you at least look at the info that I linked to, and then make your comment. Otherwise, you just look stupid and totally ignorant, meaning you're not even willing to obtain facts, just hold on to your opinion no matter what. I think you ignored the links that I posted because one of them is from the Pew Hispanic Center, which can hardly be seen as a "anit-immigrant" group.

As for knowing with certainty. Shouldn't you be taking your own advice? Instead of advocating amnesty for an "unknown" number of persons, shouldn't you be trying to find out what the result would be if it turned out to be 20 million or 30 million illegals. But that's not an issue for you right.

Stop trying to evade the information that was posted, deal with it instead of ignoring it.

Whatever.

The tone of your comment purposely tried to limit any potential effect mass deportation would have - since you agree that you have done your homework - we can skip that part...It is both too costly and internally damaging to do so.

So why aren't those opposed demanding a true number? Why aren't you and those like you demanding that every illegal that wants a chance to remain - register with the govt? I'm all for it - Let's do it. You and I - we'll set up a petition on Gather and locally where we live.......Let's start a movement, Oscar.

Only when we know how many are actually here can we know how deeply the situation affects us. Only, don't you find it strange that the feds. don't request that everyone register?

I don't ignore - I may not answer the way you think I should - but I hear you - LOUD AND CLEAR

It's not that we're not demanding a true number, it's that there is no way to get a true number. If you can tell me how to get a true number of how many illegals there are in this country, by all means, please inform me. If you can give me a viable way to get an accurate account of people who run away every time a federal official comes into view, please tell me.

So that argument really means nothing.

I don't care if they register or not. I was never for deporting anyone. I'm still not for deporting people. I just think that the people who are here illegally shoudl not be demanding things from a country that they have no right to be in. They could have stayed here as long as they want for all I cared. It's when they started protesting, waving their Mexican and other national flags, and threatening us with their "day without illegals", that I started to get pissed.

If you're in a country illegally, and you want to be able to stay and work, you should do everything you possibly can to fit in and not make youreself a nuissance or threat. If the situation was reversed Jackie, if there were12 million africans (who by far are the poorest persons on this planet) who came to Mexico and were willing to take jobs for peanuts, and put lower income Mexicans out of those jobs, would you be so willing to let it go? What if they started protesting, demanding, flying their Ghanan, Congolese, Sudanese flags, would you be so willing to open your arms to them and give them all they ask for?

Maybe you would, but think about the rest of the society. Would those people who lost their jobs be so willing to embrace them? Remember, there's always someone poorer than you, and if Mexico had the same problems with illegal immigrants from poorer countries, they might not be so willing to forgive, or so willing to criticize America. But Mexico doesn't have that problem do they? I wonder why. Wait, I feel some facts coming on...

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#Mexico

"In the first eight months of 2005 alone, more than 120,000 people from Central America have been deported to their countries of origin. This is a significantly higher percentage than in 2002, when for the entire year, only 130,000 people were deported [14]. Other important group of people are those of Chinese origin, who pay about $5,500 to smugglers to be taken to Mexico from Hong Kong. It is estimated that 2.4% of rejections for work permits in Mexico correspond to Chinese citizens [15]. Many women from Eastern Europe, Asia, United States and Central and South America are also offered jobs at table dance establishments in large cities throughout the country causing the National Institute of Migration (INM) in Mexico to raid strip clubs and deport foreigners who work without the proper documentation [16]. After the Argentine economic crisis of 2001 many Argentines have chosen to immigrate to Mexico either temporarily or permanently. Many of these are currently working in the country with the proper documentation, including some who work also in table dance establishments. In 2004, the INM deported 188,000 people at a cost of $10 million [17].

Mexico has very strict immigration laws pertaining to both illegal and legal immigrants.[18] The Mexican constitution restricts non-citizens or foreign-born persons from participating in politics, holding office, acting as a member of the clergy, or serving on the crews of Mexican-flagged ships or airplanes. Certain legal rights are waived in the case of foreigners, such as the right to a deportation hearing or other legal motions. In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may make a citizen's arrest on the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities."

All of the citations are in the article (in case someone wants to "ignore" the facts)

Good luck wiggling out of that one.

You make it too easy, Oscar....come on...you can do better than this!

FROM THE LINK IN OSCAR'S COMMENT....

Mexico has accepted large numbers of immigrants during wars
such as World War I (Germany, Yugoslavia, Poland, etc.); the
Spanish Civil War, the Stalinist USSR (notably Leon Trotsky)
and exilees from the South American and Central American
dictatorships. It has also received those who are fleeing their
native areas for religious persecution such as the Russian
Molokans and Christian Lebanese and Mennonites.

--> However, in the last decades, Mexico has received illegal
immigrants as the result of civil war in Central America, many
of whom attempt to eventually cross the US border illegally.
Some of the immigrants are members of the Mara Salvatrucha,
a criminal organization whose members have terrorized various
places in Mexico, and in the States have currently extended their
activities as far north as Washington, DC. It is said that the U.S.
is pressuring Mexico and paying for the deportation of Central
American origin.....

hmmmm......Of course, to be FAIR we MUST mention that the entire entry has been flagged for inappropriate content.....REALLY, Oscar.....there is an entire www out there - surely you can do better than this?

Jackie. You completely ignore the point of my post and the facts that were shown there. This is why this debate is going on when you have no facts whatsoever on your side.

Is there even a point to your last post? How does that in any way refute the information that I provided in my post? I think you need to take a debate class, or maybe do a google search to see what a debate entails. Posting information that does not refute, or that doesn't add anything to the discussion is not a valid tactic.

So there was a civil war in latin america, so what. What does that have to do with how Mexico treats their illegals? So Mexico accepts legal immigrants from all over the world. The U.S. accepts THE LARGEST number of legal immigrants in the world, far more than any other country, in fact, the U.S. accepts more legal immigrants than the rest of the world COMBINED. So?

As for wikipedia being flagged, the content that I posted has citations to it. You can look and see where it comes from. Real research, not just being pulled out of thin air. Last week my article that I posted on Gather was flagged by some pompous bitch. You know what happened, she was wrong, Gather emailed me and told me that what I had posted was fine. Just because something is flagged does not mean that you can't look and see for yourself whether what is being said is true. You should do that regardless of the source anyway.

The thing that really bugs me is that every time I post, i put information to back up what I say. Yet everytime you post, you say that my information is wrong without providing any shred of information or facts on behalf of your argument. That is pathetic man. Honestly. I enjoy arguing with people, but if you have nothing to offer, just say so. Don't waste my time.

This is my last post on this topic, because it's clear that you are limited in ability to present coherent fact-based arguments, and to refute my arguments. Sorry Jackie, but you do a disservice to your side in this debate.

:( (Oscar is a sore loser)

So long, friend!

Hasta la vista!!!

Adios Amigo!!!!!

Que Dios te Vendiga!!!!