WE Have OUR FENCE

i think we have a partial fence. but i really hope it will help.

can you say IRION CURTAIN? how can you eat steak dinner when people in mexeco are eating ROCK SOUP shame on you for putting up a fence to keep these people out IM American and I opose this so called fence it reminds me of the fence they had in Germany ..why not give partial work permits to these peole and let them work the jobs they get are jobs no american wants anyway plus they would pay taxes and if their caught without papaers they are imprisoned by Mexico

Shame on you people for not seeing that these poor people are only trying to live..
maybe when you goto hell for being greedy for hell will be behind a fence watching other people eat mcdonalds while you eat dirt

glad it happened - porgie - , guess that i gotta vote republican now in the upcoming elections . i'll hold my nose and do it though , i still don't trust the buggers but a fence is a step in the right direction !!!

pantarra a. : good post [chuckle] , --- ahhh , you make a lotta sense sir , yeah , you really do , so whadaya think about mexico's government being annoyed with the fence ? me , i like mexico's reaction very much but i'd sure like to know how a deep thinker like you views mexico's reaction !! ------ irion curtain , is that anywhere near oregons border with canada ??

Don't hold your breath until that fence is built. Even though it has been approved, I doulbt that it will ever be built. Have any of you heard of the " North American Union "? If Georgy W. Bush gets his way with that, there will be no fence. The North American Union proposes the free flow of goods and people throughout North America, vitulally eliminating the Canadian and Mexican borders with the U.S. If that happens, there will be no such thing as an illegal immigrant.

Also, Georgy W. Bush still has to sign the bill for the fence, and just in case he does so and the fence actually gets built , it more than likely will be for show in order to appease those of us who are against illegal immigration.

Denny.

What's this about the NORTH pouring into the USA just because we're white?

My only reason for even WANTING to be in the USA right now is because my Sweetheart is down there. He would be just as happy in Canada, but with his current job and family situation compared to mind, it would be easier for me to transfer there for a while. This has nothing to do with wanting to sneak into your country, rather with two people in love who want to be together.

Do you really think Canadians are going to want to come pouring into Bush's territory when we have a beautiful wonderful country of our own? A rather arrogant view, in my opinion.

timothy v . : yes sir , i agree 100% , i do not trust the repubs any more then i trust the dems . still , if it happens its a good thing and if it doesn't happen then people can't ignore the fact that it didn't happen . ------ and yes , i've HEARD of the north american union . i'm watching it , i don't approve of it and we'll see what happens . -------- as far as mr. bush signing , i could be wrong but i think that he will sign , we'll see in the next few days but i think that he wants as many as possible voting for republicans in this upcoming election !! ------- i'm just guessing timothy and this post is my guess !! ------ arthur

we do need a fence and it will help and any body who opposes it is just---------

Ladies, Gentlemen, and liberals, the Republicans have just won reelection.

The fault with illegal immigration lies with the inability of the Mexican government to properly govern. Remittance from illegal workers supplied $20 billion dollars to MExico last year.. the only higher source of foreign income was from their sale of oil. A goof article from Time

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1191935,00.html

Some states in Mexico, the people dont work but live off of money sent them from people in the United States.. How does this help build a successful economy?

Also, with unimpeded immigration comes the criminals from Mexico. we have our own problems with crime to solve. How many police officers have been killed by the criminals that come from uninterupted border crossings? Officer Johnson from Houston Texas was just killed last week, and a teacher killed and his wife left in a coma from a person arrested 4 times for D.U.I and deported 9 times for being an illegal alien.

The fence is only a tool used to control the flow of migration. This is not the Berlin wall.. Berlin wall was designed to keep people in, This wall is only one tool in a step to gain operational control of our borders..

And if the Mexican government is to keep sending their poor and problems to the United States, what is their incentive to get their country in order?

Just a link with some stories.... Lets be sure we edcuate ourselves about this issue. And the reasons that control over our borders is in the interest of the people of the United States.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52224

The fence is just the first step in ending illegal immigration.

YEs.. the fence is only the first step... to truely stop illegal immigration our procress does need to be overhauled.. but the majority of the problem lies with Mexico governing appropriately and investing in their cictizens.

That and the fact that there are millions of illigal immigrants currently living in our country.

They may have passed the bill, but they didnt fund it. Who wants to bet, a fence is still years away, if we get one at all.

The fence is a start...a small one. Whoever gets elected, the momentum AGAINST illegals is BUILDING, not waning, so the Democrats will have no choice but to change their tune.

Was just watching the news I live outside of houston, and because of the police officer that got killed last week, houston jailers will now start asking legal status. All those who are arrested even on an misdemeanor will now start getting fingerprinted. Police officers will still not be able to ask.

funding of the fence , the fence is fully funded from what i hear - don nixon - . i sure don't know and i sure do not trust them to build . still , what can you do , if the repubs hadn't done this little bit i just wouldn't have voted or i may have voted AGAINST repubs to try to hurt them . --- i'm not going to vote democratic , they are worse then the repubs . ------ i don't know , going to have to watch and pay attention !!

I'm all for a secure fence around our borders, but kinda think it's putting the cart before the horse. I think we wouldn't even need the fence if we could get rid of all the "magnets" that draw them here like: free education, Section 8, food stamps, free medical, ability to get jobs and ability to rent homes. Also, give only children born of LEGAL citizens and immigrants legal citizenship.

I live in the Desert SouthWest in a state where, according to the 2000 census, the two most common names are Juan and Maria. The city I live in, English is not the primary language.

That said, there was a sobering piece on CNN last night about the fruit farmers in California. There was a bumper crop this year, but because of the border crackdown, they can't get anyone to pick it and most of it is rotting on the trees and ground. $13 an hour goes a long way in Mexico, but Americans think they deserve more.

The reason $13 an hour goes a long way in Mexico is because it is tax-free (they don't pay taxes to the U.S.), and no one is withholding anything else from it (FICA, etc.)...it is pure profit.

However, if one is a legal citizen, that same $13 is taxed by 40%, then taxed again when it is spent, leaving a remaining balance of approximately $5/hour...

At the higher cost of living here in the U.S., that $5/hr doesn't go very far.

I am the first to recognize that the poverty situation in Mexico is horrible, and it's people come here for a better life. But, they should come here legally, pay taxes, and do everything WE all have to do to live here.

Right now, they can send ALL that $13/hr HOME.....I can't. I get to take home my paltry $5/hr....and realize that my taxes go to support the health and welfare of my Mexican neighbor.....right here in my own backyard, and they aren't paying any taxes to help support our schools, welfare programs, or roadways.

I'm not so sure a fence is such a good idea....but making the legal immigration process easier could be a solution.

Let's not forget alll the people trying for years, jumping through all the hoops, to become legal immigrants to the U.S.......

Should we make a fence, or make the process for legal immigration less complicated?

Just a thought...

walker bennet : i saw the special with the farmers looking forlorn and upset , i don't blame them but they never should have put their trust in breaking the law.and using illegal workers . they ought to checkout mechanization , higher wages for legal pickers and other corrective measures . --------- checkout --- http://www.weeningbrothers.com/field.html --- for some very preliminary info on mechanization . i'm going to devote some time looking for mechanized harvesters . maybe a solution does exist that will protect usa sovereignty and allow - easy picking - in the farmers fields !!

So, I guess my comment to Walker's post is....Americans won't work the fields for $13/hr when it boils down to $5/hr. Especially when the average wage in California is $25/hr.

Also... it is illegal to hire someone who is NOT legally here....if we enforce our own laws and crack down on the employers who hire illegals, that would probably help a lot. You realize these employers aren't paying taxes when they hire illegals, don't you? These employers, our own legal citizens, are cheating the U.S. taxpayer.

And, yes, Arthur...you have a VERY good point. These farmers should not be hiring illegals....and your approach with mechanization is a valid one.

Thanks for clearing that up, Denny.

What can be done to ensure that those travelling and staying LEGALLY in the USA don't have unnecessary prolems? This whole immigration thing is bugging the crap out of me, because by the time my own situation allows me to visit the USA, I am worried I won't be able to.

Cheri, making immigration easier is not neccesarily a way to alleviate the problem. One could argue then just have open borders and then the problem goes away.. If this was the case then the economy of the United States would potantially drop fast, as you have a huge number of influx of workers, and typically jobs that require the least amount of education would get swamped. All the teenagers working after school or during college would then have to compete for jobs against people that are not U.S citizens.

A good immigration system that is enforced is vital so that local governemnts know how to adapt the local infrastructures... Health Care.... schools... Law Enforcement or jails... These things take time to build and having controlled immigration allows for local governements to do their jobs and adapt to a changing populus.

Geoffrey, I'm not saying open the borders...I'm saying make the immigration process work more fluidly, as it now can takes YEARS to legally enter this country, whether it be from the north, south, or otherwise.

The economy would PROFIT, since we would have LEGAL, TAXPAYING citizens residing here, not illegals taking advantage of our health care, school, law enforcement systems...for free...

All the teenagers working after school or during college are already competing with illegal aliens- who are not helping to pay for these student's schooling via taxes.

If you haven't noticed, we already HAVE an influx of workers taking jobs...they just don't pay taxes.

Our economy would improve if we had TAX PAYING legal immigrants who helped sustain this country.

We already have an agricultural guestworker program. The problem is the illegals are leaving the fields to go to job where the work is better and wages are higher.

Cheri - I am in agreement with you on this issue. I was just countering that one could use the argument that having open borders would make immigration easier.. I agree that there doesnt seem to be any rational on why quotas are from certain countries as they are. I have heard reports that the United States has one of the most liberal immigration policies in the world, and that we admit more legal immigrants than any other country. I will do some more research to find this out so i can give people some references. But I would agree if it takes someone 15 years to immigrate, that seems a little excessive.