Iraq, Iran, Iraq, Iran....Who should it have been..!!!!!!!!

Yes Indeed C.C. you are so right...To bad Afganistan was in the way !!!!

Hey it is not too late....save the best for last....go get the Assaholla's legacy & waste those bastards too.....!

My Friend Donald.....Nice to see ya again....Yeah...I'm waiting for my re-activation letter, I wanna go have some fun blowin shit up !!!!!

Absolutely, Both. But how come no one is worried about china. I don't want to blow china up, but the situation isn't good with them.

Realistically, China has become the new Russia in terms of "Blowin each other up" It's not gonna happen...The third party in the mix you gotta worry about is North Korea....

April, thanks for your input..

Todd...Alsace Loraine must be wiped off the face of this earth above all else.

Travis.. You're not playing playing that French card are you???

LOL...

Todd no, it just pisses me off cuz I can't spell the name right half the time..

Alsace Lorraine...Now...Feel better...LOL

Stop kissing their ass you retodd!

C'mon people...I know you have some views concerning this subject..And I'm sure that they encompass more than 1-liners....

HEY, HEY,....look princess don't make me go there...

Mary, your views are shared by alot of people, most notable, prestigious authors and politicians and alot of media journalists, believe me it not that "Out of the Box" There are serious considerations about whether or not the(Radical) Islamic nations aren't beginning to bind together to form an alliance that will actually create WWIII..And in all reality, thats really not that crazy of an opinion...

Thanks for the comment..

Hey, ya forgot one Todd, Syria??!! Ashes, ashes, ashes.....I think Bush/Rumsfield screwed up, they should have sent 500,000+ in to begin with and been done with it..quit pissin' around git'ter done.

Todd...read about groups like CUFI. They are so pro Israel they actually want armed conflict that has Israel involved. They truly believe it will bring about Armageddon and the second coming. Scary shit man. Just as scary, if not moreso, considering they are here in the US and have a ton of influence in the government.

Hey..Lynn, Travis, you're both right on that front, and it is really scary to think that we actually need 360 degree vision to keep up with all of the potential possibilities...We are in a decade where there is no "One Evil Kingdom" there are many and it's going to take an ever vigilant eye to insure that own country is safe and the people fighting for it are informed and ready to strike....

I think that any "Extreme" entity, regardless of where they are, are a threat to our national security and the safety of our citizens....

what about the country where the 9/11 attackers came from? Saudi Arabia.

Liz...
Joining you in the non-political aspect, I totally agree...And there are so many ways to resolve situations that have arisen lately..The problem is that, while tough talk is abundant in this administration, the action isn't...We as citizens have to remember one thing....The only protection we have against all of the horror in this world that is attempting to destroy our way of life is us!!!! Futhermore we have to start looking at this as a kill, or be killed aituation and stop being politically correct in the way we attempt to deal with savages, I know this is cliche but fuck it, "When in Rome".......They're not playing fair, matter of fact this whole situation is "Not Fair" so realizing that neither is life, It's time our gov't stepped up to the plate and started kickin some serious ass...As always thank you for your insightful input..!!

Daniel, without a doubt you make a great point, but you and I both know the U.S. has been kissing their ass for so long that our lips are blistered...So the chance that that is gonna change is slim....Even though your right, it should !!

Hey Lynn,
Glad to hear from you again....absolutely, I agree, "Git r done"

Adira my love,
Always a pleasure to have you included in on anything that I post, thanks for your input....

Todd,
Good topic, Action, not just Words, is what I think.. .
I'm featuring this in THE PLACE TO VENT AND JUST TALK ABOUT THINGS! or talkboutit.gather.com, where I'm hoping that there will be more input, kinda hard to ignore what's at the top of the page!!!!!!!

Marilyn

Marilyn, thank you very much for your opinion, and thank you so much for featuring this post and also your comments..

Liz..
I cannot agree with you more when it comes to re-instituting the draft, I made that coment numerous times in other comments...

As much as I hate to admit it Kissinger was the last true diplomat we had...

And as for China no we can't look at them as an "enemy" so to speak, but we do have to be cautious and pay close attention to what they are doing...

And last...NO DOUBT....It is the Islamic fascists that we have to be the most concerned about...They should be without a doubt our #1 priority...

As always thank you for being a part of my post
Love ya,
Todd

By the way Liz,
Rumsfeld and Cheney have been cronies since before the original Bush administration, they have "slicked" their way into every possible orifice of today's administration and if anybody truly thinks that G.W. is running that White House, they need to take a closer look....

Todd,
True, and I tend to wonder if "any" President has actually run the White House. With all their Advisors and such, are they just basically figureheads, unlike the terrorist factions who have each one leader and the rest are followers. Fear and fanaticism are powerful motivators.

Unfortunately, this probably will be WWIII, but with us having to re-enact the draft, it makes one wonder just how many will leave the country "this time", such as with Vietnam. This and I've heard it said before, that the next war will be fought, not by the draft, but it will be a Nuclear war, and look at N. Korea, that nut's testing things.
With all the oil over in those countrys, pretty much all we need is a huge match - Boom! Of course, we do want the oil, so who knows what is to come. One can only guess and at this point, there are no solutions that are quick or look good.
Our sons friend and his wife (reserves), have been back and forth like ping-pong balls. The husband has been to Iraq about a half dozen times, once to Afghanistan, and his wife I "think" Iraq 5 times, and they know there's more to come.
Thanks for a great article, Todd and I hope we can keep this debate going, as most have their own views and this is a good place to share them on and have a civilized debate.

Marilyn

Hey Marilyn,
Really if you look at it, and your not going to believe this but, we really dont need the oil, do you realize that just between us and of all countries, Canada, we have more oil and oil reserves than all the middle east countries combined, if you don't believe me research it...

The next war when it comes, will more than likely be a nuclear war, and I know this sounds kinda nuts but, it's really gonna be the only way to rid the world of the fanatics that want to bring harm to us....In WWII we went the distance and tried every conceivable conventional way to end the hostilities, and then it came to "The Bomb"...And as unfortunate as it is I truly feel that the outcome of this conflict is going to be the same.....Adira's comment about a "Big Sandbox" might be the only resolution, let's hope not , but there is that possibility, and that is something we have to be prepared for....Throughout our countries history we have fought every conceivable evil and won, but never have we been confronted with something considered throughout the world as evil, dressed up as good and just. Used as a scapegoat, that is as perfect as (Religion).... This is indeed going to be a difficult war to win and a difficult war to justify.....

Adira, you are more than welcome and I'm glad to see that you are interested...Thanks for your time and input...

I kind of wonder if this administration invaded Iraq thinking they were going into Iran and the Q was just a typo...

All of the above and I want in on Adira's sandbox idea!

Diane...Definitely a good point, very serious, but also very funny...Thanks for commenting...

Taliah....Me too.....Nice to hear from you again....

Travis leave Alsace Lorraine alone. That is where my family is from.
Todd are you sure we need to reinstate the draft yet. Recruiter friends of mine have told us that since 9/11 they have had people re-enlisting and joining for the first time. They say they have been very busy. I have friends who have re-enlisted and family and friends who have joined for the first time. I do think there will come the day that they do need to reinstate the draft.

Interesting that you said "when in Rome" Todd, there are many parallels between the Roman Empire and modern America. But the irony is the barbarian state was Rome, the Celts, Goths, Vandals etc were quite civilised really.

As to your query about Iraq or Iran, it really didn't matter (except that Iran would have fought back a lot harder) action against either would have united Islamic opinion against America.

Hey Lori,
Well to answer your question with facts...The military is at this point stretched to the point where we can't handle all of the responsibilities in a 100% fashion (which is whats needed to win) that the Gov't has placed upon us..We are rotating units in and out of Iraq and Afganistan at an alarming rate, not giving them the time to even handle whatever arises on the home front, i.e. family.They are being put to the supreme test and are holding up well, but how long can that last??? I realize that the recruiting dept of the Military is touting favorable numbers but in reality, thats all part of the administrations spin to make you believe that it's "Gonna be otay Buckwheat", "Otay Panky" (Lil Rascals... for those of you that aren't old enough)....Our Special Ops community are being run into the ground and considering their jobs, they more than anyone need to be rested and revived so that they can continue with a fresh outlook and the physical capabilities to carry on, our regular army units are being ragged out to the max also...A draft at this point would also set us up in time for any eventuality, the new troops would be trained and ready and we woudn't have to jump through our asses at the last minute if this whole situation starts to escalate....

Ian....
Can't really disagree with you on either point, but Iran really wouldn't be that much more of a problem, seeing that all of their tecnology and equipment was supplied by us, not to mention alot of their military training, It's pretty easy to destroy what you have created, especially when the technology belongs to you..... As far as the Islamic opinion, thats gonna be there regardless, the radicals in that movement have, and are going to continue to see to that, thats why I say, why worry about opinion at this point lets just kick their ass and get it over with

Oh I forgot....

Lori, you also have to remember the National Guard and the Reserves are being quickly depleated not only because of the war, but also because of domestic problems,i.e. Katrina and the border situation....And don't anybody DARE take this opportunity to jump on the border disscussion....This thread is NOT about that !!!!!!

This is a comment that was made earlier in the thread(by Liz) that some of you might have missed, a great reason why the draft should be re-instated..

War is war, war is not fair. Why would they play fair? But a better question is why would we? We need to reinstitute the draft now and really go all out in beefing up the military industrial complex before it is too late. And we are getting there. Our enemy is the anarchic lunitic fundamentalist Islamic cell structure that exists everywhere including this country.

Todd, I really do know the draft should start again. We need more people in the Military. I also know that the training for Special Forces and Intelligence take alot longer. I wanted you to clarify for some of these people why it needs to be started again. My daughter was going to be in Intelligence in the Navy but had problems with her knee so she was discharged. All of her training was going to take about 2 1/2 years. My nephews training in the Marines is about 2 years. We need more people who can pass the tests for the Special Forces and Intelligence.

I was discussing this topic on a thread of Travis's the other day, and I think the consenus(Shit...I'm sounding like a Democrat, sorry,,) we came to was this. We not only need bodies but we need brains..The technology, and intellengence fields in all of the services are lacking but you can't put someone with a GED into slots like that, they have to prove they have the capacity to learn at levels much higher than a H.S. Grad..So it's imperative that we focus on recruiting those types of people.The Spec Ops community also takes a certain amount of intellegence, Special Forces(Green Berets) and Delta operatives for the most part are trained in a second language, and also deal with some of the most sophisticated equipment that the Army has for individual soldiers..When I joined, and still to this day the service administers a test called AFVAB ( Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery), I think..thats it, anyway, that pretty much gives them the opportunity to see where you would be the most useful...Honestly at this point, if your literate,willing to learn and not just completely retarded, the military can use you in some capacity....Some areas take up to 3-4 yrs to master but if we get started now we will be that much further along in the game, no sense in waiting until the well runs dry to decide your thirsty....Hope this helps...

Thank You Todd. I wanted people to know how long it takes to train some of the Military. My daughter was going to have to learn 2 languages for Intelligence. We would know where she was training for the first 2 years and after that we wasn't going to know where they sent her for the rest of the training. My Nephew will go to Japan for part of his training and Florida for the rest. I am not sure which one he goes to first, guess we will find out in Oct.

My sister was in linguistics training for the Air Force and her schooling was very long, years. The Presidio in Monterrey is where much of this was done. At the time, her tech school was for Russian.
It takes a long time to train in all these areas and be proficient.

Yep, you are definitely right about that John, the Presido is where 99% of all language courses are taught and it takes alot of time, even some of the individual training (Military occupational Specialty) MOS...Can take up to 2-3 yrs depending on the level of difficulty..

Nuke them both. That'll learn em!
I served in Afghanistan. Tarin Kowt. 12 mo and 3 days. Who's counting? I also served in Iraq for 6 mo towards the beginning the whole thing.
I had some fun, we blew shit up..... we got to stop shaving once and a while, a good time was had by all......except those guys that lost limbs and lives. We had a male model in our platoon, he caught some shap to the face during an IED. Ironic, eh? He lived, by the way.

By the way...... my thoughts on this topic are as follows. Either way, we will eventually be in a war with Iran, unless Ahmadialphabetzded is removed by his people at the next election and the next Iran prez has a decent head on his shoulders.

Listen to Bush's speeches recently. Compare with those before we entered Iraq. One more chance to stop enriching your uranium for weapons..... vs..... one more chance to show us your WMD's.......

things that make you say hmmmm.......... I see another war, lets just bridge Afghanistan and Iraq. Shit. Lets just nuke the whole damn thing.

Hey Nick.
Welcome aboard the Nuke Train.......Glad to have your opinion on the post, but you know someone is gonna have something to say about that nuke em all attitude...Ahh shit who cares...I pretty much agree and it's my post....LOL.....

iraq, iran, china,north korea, there are not enough American soldiers to go around, so I think Iraq should get taken care of first, then I see North Korea as our next formiable, dangerous country.

Yeah, most definitely dangerous Steph, but I think we better take care of this Middle East menage-a trois first...(Iran, Iraq, Syria) then regroup give the troops a well needed and deserved rest, and then focus on North Korea....

Other than the entire middle east, I'm keeping my eye on North Korea and China, in that order...

And why is that Brandon????

Hmmm "civilized", "rather intelligent"? I hope all the folks on here talking about a "HUGE sand-box... a nice sand-box sounds good to me....We are talking about blowing shit up, right?"
or "Nuke them both. That'll learn em! " and "Welcome aboard the Nuke Train"
You guys may be able to imagine that is intelligent but civilized? No empire in the history of the planet has done anything as atrocious as you folk so casually discuss. Being a soldier doesn't make you an authority on world diplomacy and having a brain doesn't mean what comes out of it is healthy. Please tell me every single inhumane post on here is a joke and that I am just an uptight liberal. That would allow me to rest easy people.

It's no joke. Americans are ignorent people. When will the proud, patriotic, people of America realize that we are NOT our "own" country! The "first" citizens of America are almost extinct, due to this re-occuring theme. "White-Makes-Right" is the only policy we seem to live by in our forign affairs. America is simply the world's town common - a left over piece of land for all to enjoy. So if trigger-happy neo-christians insist on bombing countries in the name of "American Empire" then why don't we just end it all with civil war! America IS the world, squashed into one country - and guess what, the whole world is not white, or christian.

Scott, at least we can be grateful that the people in charge of U.S. foreign policy are more thoughtful and intelligent than this lot.

Oh, wait...

Well, let's see, they're spelled so similarly its tough to choose. Its merely a matter of an n or a q! HMmmmmmm....Warmongering ignorance is what's spreading terrorism in the world today. Iran conned us into invading Iraq in the first place as they had absoiutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. Yes, Iran poses a threat. But attitudes such as the ones expressed in these commebts are just as dangerous. How can you be so casual when talking about destroying nations? Our administration has screwed up countless times, blatantly lied to us, and has the sense of an abolone. Obviously, so do members on this site. I'm terribly disillusioned.

"we have to start looking at this as a kill, or be killed aituation and stop being politically correct in the way we attempt to deal with savages"

Interesting.... the savages are those who would prop up a government, support dictators who assist them, and then blow them away when everything does not suit them....

The answer to who should it have been? is NOBODY.

It is our own country's policies abroad, the crooked and wicked dirty deals which cause our demise, not another country.

It was illegal for us to bomb Iraq, a sovereign nation of no threat to us. Help us all if this is how you guys really feel.

You've been duped.

"Let's Get It On.!!!!"

For me, this is a call to loving and not fighting.

I've been really tryin', baby
Tryin' to hold back this feelin' for so long
And if you feel like I feel, baby
Then come on, oh, come on
Whoo, let's get it on
Ah, babe, let's get it on
Let's love, baby
Let's get it on, sugar
Let's get it on
Whoo-ooh-ooh

We're all sensitive people
With so much to give
Understand me, sugar
Since we got to be
Let's live

Rest of the lyrics to Marvin Gaye's Let's Get It On

The front line troops need to be gung-ho, otherwise they can't
fight properly. Timid soldiers don't win wars. But, technically,
fighting wars isn't a good idea, because they damage so much
infrastructure, and kill so many people. But, if a war has been
chosen, it's better to win it than to lose it.

As for gung-ho civilians, well, Europeans in 1914 waved flags
and cheered as their proud boys went off to war. But the same
civilians cried after the Battle of the Somme. Some are still crying
now. Remember Gettysburg? Remember the fall of Saigon?
Victory is great, but defeat is traumatic upon several generations.

If war can be avoided it's better. It's a politician's job to fulfill
the nation's needs in the most efficient manner, without waisting
men and materials.

These invasions are illegal under the US Constitution, and under International law. As a result they are war crimes and crimes against humanity, and this administration knows it, bc they passed legislation thru last week to CYA.
So, if that is what you think is great, I can see why this country is going downhill.
It's too bad, bc we used to be the good guys, who stood for law and order, and individual rights and liberties. Now we have none, and our budget is trashed for the benefit of Halliburten, Betchel, UNICAL, EXXON, and the rest of the oil sector and weapons sector corporations.

The whole situation is sad, beyond the pale of law, and a sad chapter in the lives of all Americans.

On top of it all, we find out this week that pedophiles are running amok in DC.
I can't believe the levels of depravity in DC.
It sickens me.

BTW, Depleted uranium is on the list of prohibited WMD. We dropped tonnage on children. Enjoy your football game, bc war is not it.
War is supposed to be a last resort.
Only criminals agree that murdering someone for profit is A-OK.

I don't think nuking people would be a good idea; there are a billion innocent people in the sandbox- real live people with every human emotion. and we aren't God.

Perhaps it would be prudent to not nuke people...........

If we nuke Iran, that will not win us any friends.