http://www.dol.gov/esa/whatsnew/whd/mou/nov98mou.htm#policy
Employment Opportunities for Legal Workers
In addition to reducing the magnet of jobs for illegal migration, it is desirable that employers be encouraged to identify and use opportunities to maintain a legal work force. The agencies recognize this goal, and accord it a high priority for both agencies.
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Bush wants and Amnesty, his call of the day is, "They are taking jobs that Americans will not do." Well, I would suggest you read these GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS CAREFULLY, read the memorandum of understanding carefully, and tell me how it is that things have SUDDENLY CHANGED. Our jobs are being stolen, and this governmental document admits it.
Memorandum of Understanding to Enhance
Work site Enforcement Sanctions and Labor Standards
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/backgrounds/laborbg.htm
The Administration has long recognized that a comprehensive strategy for controlling and deterring illegal immigration must include effective enforcement of both employer sanctions and basic fair labor standards. Effective work site enforcement requires the Department of Labor (DOL) and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to coordinate activities and define clearly appropriate roles and responsibilities.
The Department of Justice, INS and the DOL Employment Standards Administration (ESA) have entered into an agreement to enhance work site enforcement sanctions and labor standards. This agreement details how the two agencies will work together, share information, increase training, refer cases to each other and conduct appropriate investigations.
INS and ESA have complementary goals. INS' enforcement of U.S. immigration laws can deter violations of labor standards by preventing the employment of unauthorized workers who become victims to sub-standard wages and working conditions. Illegal employment practices artificially suppress wages, lead to the degradation of overall conditions in the workplace, and deprive authorized U.S. workers of decent job opportunities. By focusing on employers in industries and locations with a history of reliance on unauthorized labor, work site enforcement initiatives can deter illegal employment, remove unauthorized workers from the workplace, disrupt alien smuggling and harboring operations,and make decent jobs available for authorized workers.
ESA's primary responsibility is the enforcement of labor statutes with the goal of ensuring that all covered workers, regardless of their immigration status, are afforded the full benefits and protections of U.S. labor laws. The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provides DOL a role in the enforcement of employer sanctions because targeted enforcement of labor standards can serve as a meaningful deterrent to illegal immigration. Labor law enforcement not only helps ensure fairness and acceptable workplace standards, but also helps level the playing field for employers who seek to comply with the law.
To develop strong cases against unscrupulous employers, DOL needs the cooperation of workers. All workers, including those who are undocumented, must be able to report violations of labor standards or provide other information without fear. This MOU contains several provisions, built on lessons the two agencies have learned over the past decade, that will allay worker fears and achieve more effective enforcement of fair labor standards and employer sanctions.
These include:
- A clear statement of the goals of the agencies' relationship which will guide detailed interagency planning and cooperation.
- The DOL agencies will only inspect employer compliance with verification requirements in "directed"investigations-that is, in cases that do not arise from a complaint alleging violations. While this will result in a substantial reduction in the number of verification inspections conducted by the DOL agencies, it will help avoid discouraging workers-both legal and illegal-from complaining about exploitative working conditions out of fear of the consequences for themselves or their workers.
- The enforcement staff in both agencies will work together to better ensure that employers who hire unauthorized workers will not benefit from attempting to misuse the agencies' enforcement powers to intimidate or coerce their workers, or from not having to pay for the work performed by unauthorized workers who are apprehended and deported through INS' work site enforcement initiatives.
INS and ESA will work to develop procedures for handling suspected work site violations. INS andESA field personnel will identify opportunities to coordinate enforcement activities, and to the extent that resources permit,conduct joint investigations. Coordinated enforcement will maximize the effective use of limited resources while having the greatest impact on employers who violate immigration and labor laws.
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http://www.dol.gov/esa/whatsnew/whd/mou/nov98mou.htm#agreement
Memorandum of Understanding
<h4>Between the Immigration and Naturalization ServiceDepartment of Justice
and the Employment Standards Administration
Department of Labor
</h4><h5>November 23, 1998</h5><h4>TABLE OF CONTENTS</h4><h5>I. Purpose</h5><h5>II. Goals</h5><h5>III. Background</h5><h5>IV. Implementation</h5> <h5>V. Agreement</h5><hr><h5></h5>
I. Purpose
The purpose of this Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) is to promote employment opportunities for, and the interests of, authorized U.S. workers through:
- fostering appropriate cooperation and coordination between the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Employment Standards Administration (ESA) of the Department of Labor (DOL); and,
- enhancing worksite enforcement of employer sanctions and labor standards in order to reduce the employment of unauthorized workers in the U.S.
To this end, this MOU clarifies the enforcement roles and responsibilities of each agency in areas of shared authority, ensures more efficient use of resources, reduces duplication of effort, and improves communication and appropriate coordination between the agencies.
This MOU affects the following INS and ESA enforcement and compliance components:
- INS:
Office of Field Operations
Investigations
Border Patrol
Office of Policy and Programs
Office of Business Liaison
- ESA:
Wage and Hour Division (WH)
Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP)
Where investigative and enforcement jurisdiction is shared between the signatory agencies, both shall work cooperatively and, in appropriate circumstances, plan and undertake coordinated or joint activities. The Federal statutes and Executive Orders provided for in this agreement include, but are not limited to, the following:
- Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended [Title 8 of the United States Code, Section 1101 et seq., specifically 8 U.S.C. Section 1324a] (INS and ESA)
- Title 18 of the United States Code, Sections 911, 1001, 1015, 1028, 1426, and 1546 (INS)
- Executive Order 12989 (INS)
- Fair Labor Standards Act (ESA)
- Family and Medical Leave Act (ESA)
- Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act (ESA)
- Davis-Bacon and Related Acts (ESA)
- McNamara-O'Hara Service Contract Act (ESA)
- Employee Polygraph Protection Act (ESA)
- Executive Order 11246, as amended (ESA)
- Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended (ESA)
- Vietnam Era Veterans Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 (ESA)
District Directors for the signatory agencies shallare expected to actively identify areas of mutual local enforcement interest and, in appropriate circumstances consistent with this MOU, plan and develop coordinated or joint actions accordingly.
<h5></h5>II. Goals
The goals of this MOU are to:
- reduce the employment of unauthorized workers in the U.S. and the consequential adverse effects on the job opportunities, wages and working conditions of authorized U.S. workers by increasing employers' compliance with their employment eligibility verification obligations;
- reduce the economic incentives for the employment of unauthorized workers and the consequential adverse effects on the job opportunities, wages and working conditions of authorized U.S. workers by increasing employers' compliance with minimum labor standards;
- avoid the furthervictimization of unauthorized workers employed in the U.S. by employers which may seek to abuse the enforcement powers of the signatory agencies to intimidate or punish these workers; and,
- promote employment opportunities for legalauthorized U.S. workers and improvements in their wages, benefits, and working conditions.
III. Background
Historically, INS and ESA have maintained working relationships in areas of mutual law enforcement interest. Immigration reform legislation over the last decade has significantly expanded and intensified this interaction.
The U.S. continues to face a serious problem of illegal migration as unauthorized workers are drawn to and remain in the U.S. workplace. Deterring illegal migration and overstaying of authorized periods of admission or employment in the U.S. must include reducing the magnet of employment opportunities through worksite enforcement of both immigration laws and labor standards. As an essential part of his efforts to reduce illegal immigration, President Clinton directed INS and DOL to establish complementary strategies to increase and improve worksite enforcement. The President's directive requires INS and ESA to enhance their existing relationships to facilitate identifying high risk industries and metropolitan zones of deterrence for coordinated enforcement. In addition, information will be shared, as appropriate, when industries or occupational settings are identified in which visa overstayers who are not authorized to work are a common problem.
INS has primary responsibility for enforcing Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the provisions commonly referred to as "employer sanctions." These provisions are an integral part of the INS enforcement mission, expanding and supporting the complementary goal of securing our borders as illegal aliens are often lured to the U.S. by promises or prospects of employment. Many migrants fall into the hands of ruthless and exploitative criminal alien smuggling operations and abusive employers who intentionally violate the law by knowingly employing unauthorized aliens and subjecting their employees to substandard wages and working conditions.
Vigorous enforcement of our immigration laws can deter violations of labor standards by preventing the employment of unauthorized workers whose willingness to accept sub-standard wages and working conditions artificially suppresses wages, leads to the degradation of overall conditions in the workplace, and deprives authorized U.S. workers of decent job opportunities. Thus, by focusing on employers in industries and locations with a history of reliance on unauthorized labor, worksite enforcement initiatives can manifestly increase deterrence of unauthorized alien employment, remove unauthorized workers from the workplace, disrupt alien smuggling and harboring operations, and make decent jobs available for legally authorized workers.
ESA's primary responsibility is the enforcement of labor standards statutes with the goal of ensuring that all covered workers - irrespective of their immigration status - are afforded the full benefits and protections of our labor laws. The INA provides DOL a role in the enforcement of employer sanctions because vigorous targeted enforcement of labor standards can serve as a meaningful deterrent to illegal immigration. It denies some of the business advantages that may be gained through the employment of highly vulnerable and exploitable workers at sub-standard wages and working conditions. Labor law enforcement not only helps ensure fairness and acceptable workplace standards, but also helps foster a level competitive playing field for employers who seek to comply with the law. Consequently - consistent with its primary labor standards compliance mission - in carrying out this MOU, the ESA agencies will take no action which will compromise their ability to carry out the fundamental worker protection mission. Likewise, INS will take no action which will compromise its ability to effectively carry out its primary mission of immigration law enforcement.
INS and ESA have historically sought to identify appropriate circumstances warranting efforts to coordinate worksite enforcement activities in order to achieve a legal workforce that enjoys the full range of employment standards protections available under law and Executive Order. This MOU is intended to clarify the enforcement roles and responsibilities of each agency in areas of shared authority, promote more effective and efficient use of resources, reduce duplication of effort, and improve communication and appropriate coordination between agencies.
<h5></h5>IV. Implementation
The Headquarters enforcement/compliance components of INS and ESA shall maintain liaison concerning matters of mutual interest and jurisdiction, and shall actively seek to improve communication at all levels of the organizations. Information sharing at the Headquarters level of each agency will include cooperation and coordination in the development of policies, procedures, regulations, enforcement priorities and approaches, training materials, and activity reports.
In order to implement this MOU, INS and ESA agree to exchange, periodically update, and disseminate to all their field offices information concerning office locations and jurisdictional areas of responsibility of their respective operational field units.
INS shall provide to ESA sufficient quantities of the Handbook for Employers (M-274) for distribution to all employers inspected by ESA investigators.
<h5></h5>INS has primary responsibility for employer sanctions enforcement, including assessing civil penalties and initiating legal proceedings under Section 274A of the INA. In addition, INS has responsibility for promulgating employer sanctions program policy. Because of possible resource implications, INS will advise and consult with ESA regarding any significant proposed changes in the employer sanctions program policy which may affect ESA activities or policies and, as changes are implemented, the two agencies will coordinate to modify their implementing procedures accordingly.
INS and ESA will work to develop criteria and procedures for referral of suspected violations. Such referrals will be subject to appropriate tracking and follow-up by the respective agencies.
The agencies will develop and implement policies consistent with INS Operations Instruction 287.3a that avoid inappropriate worksite interventions where it is known or reasonably suspected that a labor dispute is occurring and the intervention may, or may be sought so as to, interfere in the dispute matter. The agencies will develop and implement policies concerning circumstances when it is known (or appears) to INS that a labor dispute is occurring and an INS law enforcement action may be appropriate at the worksite.
<h5></h5>INS and ESA will promote the exchange of information and interaction among their respective field offices so as to avoid any extensive reporting burden on either field staff. INS and ESA shall continue to examine the possibility of mutual access to any automated information systems, where such systems relate to the enforcement of statutes of shared jurisdiction. ESA and INS will exchange periodic reports of employer sanctions enforcement activities, including data on employer compliance.
In order to promote more effective communication, INS Headquarters will provide a database indicating the disposition of INS employer sanctions cases, including those which were based on ESA-91 referrals. Results of these cases will be included in the database and the entire database will be provided to ESA Head-quarters. ESA Headquarters will sort and disseminate appropriate information concerning INS employer sanctions cases to its field offices.
Effective inter-agency communication has been essential to the agencies' relationship; this MOU reinforces the importance of communication and information exchange. INS and ESA representatives will continue to meet regularly at both the Headquarters and field levels to identify appropriate circumstances and explore avenues for coordinated and joint enforcement efforts. Refinements in enforcement strategies will be shared between the agencies on a periodic basis. Coordinated enforcement will seek to maximize the effective use of limited resources while having the greatest impact on employers who violate immigration and labor laws. In this regard, INS will share available information with ESA that will would help identify areas and industries where visa overstayers who may not be authorized to work are frequently employed.
<h5></h5>INS shall assist ESA in revising and delivering employment eligibility verification training. Staff in local ESA offices will assist INS in training INS officers to identify suspected violations of labor standards under the jurisdiction of ESA, as determined to be appropriate. Training materials and checklists for determining possible labor standards violations (possibly including "self-audit" tools to be provided to employers subject to worksite enforcement interventions) will be prepared by ESA and supplied to INS.
<h5></h5>Field level liaison between INS and ESA is principally the responsibility of the INS District Directors/Chief Patrol Agents (or designees) and the District Directors of the appropriate ESA offices (or designees). The District Directors of both agencies will identify a point-of-contact within their respective offices who will be responsible for liaison and coordination on all information exchange and enforcement initiatives at the local level.
An important goal of this liaison is the free flow of information between the agencies and the effective utilization of such information. The points-of-contact for ESA shall be responsible for ensuring that information is furnished to INS in a timely manner and that it conforms to prescribed criteria. The points-of contact for INS shall likewise be responsible for ensuring that information is furnished to ESA in a timely manner and that it conforms to prescribed criteria.
When INS receives a request from ESA to review INS records or to interview an individual in INS custody, it will make every effort to comply promptly with that request, to the extent permitted by law, upon presentation of proper credentials by the ESA investigator. When ESA receives a request from INS to review ESA records, it will make every effort to comply promptly with that request, to the extent permitted by law, upon presentation of proper credentials by the INS officer. The agency making the request will expeditiously follow through on any records review or interview requested so as not to unduly interfere with law enforcement activities.
INS and ESA field personnel shall cooperate in identifying and find appropriate opportunities to coordinate enforcement activities, and - to the extent that resources permit - shall conduct coordinated or joint investigations where appropriate, with each agency pursuing violations within its own jurisdiction. In those circumstances where joint efforts are not appropriate or possible, the agency conducting the investigation/inspection will provide the employer subject of the intervention with compliance information to facilitate any future contact by the non-participating agency.
<h5></h5>In the course of all on-site activities at employers' facilities and where appropriate in technical assistance activities with employer/employee groups, ESA staff will advise employers about their employment eligibility verification and anti-discrimination responsibilities and distribute copies of the Handbook for Employers: Instructions for Completing Form 1I-9 (Employment Eligibility Verification Form) [INS publication M-274] and available informational material on the anti-discrimination provisions from the Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices (OSC). Distribution of the Handbook for Employers shall be documented on any ESA-91 referral.
Investigators of ESA's Wage and Hour Division (WH) and Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP) shall conduct thorough inspections of employers' compliance with their employment eligibility verification obligations (Formsusually 1I-9) in conjunction with their ESA's labor standards enforcement, except in any investigation based on a complaint alleging labor standards violations. (Theis limitation to conduct of conducting employment eligibility verification inspections only in "directed" - i.e., non-complaint cases - is intended and will be implemented so as to avoid discouraging complaints from unauthorized workers who may be victims of labor standards violations by their employer.) This employment eligibility verification compliance inspection by ESA investigators shall not involve making any inquiry regarding the immigration status of workers, nor shall the conduct of an employment eligibility verification inspection be the basis for ESA on-site investigation.
At the conclusion of the employment eligibility verification inspection and generally before the completion of the investigation or review, ESA investigators will advise employers of their findings regarding the employment eligibility verification (I-9) inspection. In cases where it appears that violations uncovered are serious - such as no I-9's or refusal to provide I-9's, previous warning notice issued or an indication of fraudulent documents - the ESA 1I-9 inspection (but not the labor standards compliance investigation of which it is a part) shall be terminated without close-out with the employer, INS contacted by telephone and the ESA-91 referral form prepared and forwarded to INS as soon as possible.
ESA investigators will not issue warning notices or Notices of Intent to Fine to employers which are found to be violating their employment eligibility verification obligations.
<h5></h5>ESA will be responsible for the prompt referral to INS of all suspected serious violations that are uncovered through its directed investigations. "Serious" violations include:
- evidence of fraud, especially in instances where admissions rather than allegations, are made that fraudulent documents were used to obtain employment or where the employer knew about or assisted in obtaining fraudulent documents;
- where 1I-9 forms are not regularly maintained by the employer;
- violations of the provisions against knowingly hiring or continuing to employ unauthorized workers, though DOL investigators will make no inquiry regarding workers' immigration status;
- violations of the prohibition against indemnity bonds;
- where the employer refuses to provide the necessary documents for review, subject, as appropriate to the circumstances, to the existing regulation's three-day notice provision; or,
- it is known that a warning notice or Notice of Intent to Fine has previously been issued by INS.
ESA-91 referral forms will be furnished forwarded to INS field offices by ESA for suspected serious violations as quickly as possible. These ESA-91 forms shall specify the kinds of violations disclosed, identify a point-of-contact at ESA, and include a brief but substantive narrative containing any information and/or supporting documenta-tion which may be available. ESA-91 forms for from inspections that reveal less serious paperwork violations based on jointly established criteria will be furnished on a timely basis. ESA-91 forms from inspections which indicate employer compliance will be forwarded to INS only on request.
In order to promote more effective coordination, INS Headquarters will provide a database preparequarterly reportsindicating the disposition of INS employer sanctions cases, including (and indicating) those which were based on all ESA-91 referrals, indicating the results of those cases and noting any cases that have resulted in any significant enforcement action. This report will be provided to ESA Headquarters.
The Immigration Officer's Field Manual for Employer Sanctions will be modified to clearlyindicate that Form ESA-91's are a as a primary source of credible information for predicating employer inspections and/or investigations. INS field offices will utilize this source of lead information effectively, as described above, and will provide feedback to the point-of-contact through the database described in Section B Field Procedures below.
<h5></h5>ESA District Directors and their INS counterparts will work together to develop protocols (and training) for INS officers to make inquiries during the course of their worksite enforcement activities that are intended to elicit information which would indicate the occurrence of possible labor standards violations at the workplace. When INS obtains or receives information during the course of its worksite enforcement activities which indicates a possible violation of statutes within the jurisdiction of DOL, the INS shall expeditiously notify the District Director of the appropriate ESA field office covering the area in which the suspected violation occurred. Such notification may be in the form of telephone communication or via timely transmission of copies of INS records prepared in the course of its enforcement operations.
In order to promote more effective coordination, ESA Headquarters will prepare quarterly reports (down to the District Office level) indicating the disposition of labor standards enforcement activities initiated pursuant to INS referrals which resulted in significant findings of violations or monetary recovery for workers.
<h5></h5>In certain situations, WH may ask INS to delay deportation of undocumented workers who are cooperating in the development of a case or are otherwise necessary for its prosecution. Criteria will be developed by Headquarters of INS and ESA for WH to make such requests and for INS to grant them as may be appropriate.
<h5></h5>Employment Opportunities for Legal Workers
In addition to reducing the magnet of jobs for illegal migration, it is desirable that employers be encouraged to identify and use opportunities to maintain a legal work force. The agencies recognize this goal, and accord it a high priority for both agencies.
In circumstances where INS removes unauthorized workers from the workplace, reasonable efforts will be made to ensure that these workers are not deprived of appropriate compensation for the work performed, thereby affording an economic benefit to the employer from the employment of unauthorized workers. This will be accomplished by INS notifying the designated Wage and Hour point-of-contact of the circumstances of the employment so that if the workers are not paid (or appear not to have been properly paid) by the employer, appropriate enforcement and collection activities by DOL can commence.
In addition, INS will make reasonable efforts to help assure that in such circumstances, persons legally authorized to work have the opportunity to gain employment. To do so, INS will refer employers which have been found to employ unauthorized workers to a designated point-of-contact in DOL which will coordinate with local sources of legal workers. The DOL point-of-contact will ensure that the U.S. Employment Service (USES) State Department of Labor job service agencies, which are funded by DOL, various private organizations, and the local OFCCP officeare informed of job opportunities for authorized workers. OFCCP will contact the employer to facilitate the linkage to additional sources of available legal workers. . ESA will work with the USES to develop an appropriate reporting mechanism to track the number of authorized workers referred and gaining employment pursuant to INS contact.
<h5></h5>Referrals to OSC/Immigration-Related Discrimination
ESA and INS officers shall each be responsible for directly referring indications or allegations of discrimination violations under Section 274B of the INA Immigration and Nationality Act to the Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices (OSC).
<h5></h5>V. Agreement
The provisions of this Memorandum of Understanding cancel and supersede all previous MOUs and become effective on the date of signature. The provisions may be reviewed and jointly modified or eliminated, as appropriate, if it is determined by either agency that such review and modification or elimination is in the interest of effectively and efficiently enforcing the laws under the agencies' respective jurisdictions.
The preceding constitutes the full Memorandum of Understanding on this subject between the Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Service, and the Department of Labor, Employment Standards Administration.
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Assistant Secretary
Employment Standards
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Comments: 36
Elf:
Part of the problem,is the web is so TANGLED, that you have different organizations of the government actually working at CROSS PURPOSES. One cabinet level department has rules in effect that outlaw the behaviors of another....SO, which one takes precedent?
The first paragraph of the letter sets the tone and purpose for all that follows, and it reads:
The Administration has long recognized that a comprehensive strategy for controlling and deterring illegal immigration must include effective enforcement of both employer sanctions and basic fair labor standards. Effective work site enforcement requires the Department of Labor (DOL) and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to coordinate activities and define clearly appropriate roles and responsibilities.
In short, the WHOLE PURPOSE of the MOU is to control and DETER illegal immigration.
Jackie....never said I was on a hunger strike...get over it. By the way Jackie....43 percent of the WORLD's WORK FORCE is directly and indirectly involved in the world's FOOD PRODUCTION...I suppose you think it is America's job to take care of ALL OF THEM? IF Mexico managed its land better, these people could be in Mexico instead of America. By the way, try visiting the United Nations site, and see what they have to say on World Migration....the long and short of it is simple. Lower and Middle class citizens of developed nations see their wages depressed, their standard of living lowered so that those less fortunate than them can go to developed nations, take their jobs and increase their own well.......in short, the United Nations thinks it would be fine if we give up our lives, our standard of living so that every one else can raise theirs.
Jackie loves to put the face of the poor hard working migrant worker out as the FACE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS....plays for the pity vote. If any one bothers to d othe math, more than 75 percent of illegals ARE NOT PICKING APPLES, are not any where NEAR A FARM. They are taking our jobs in construction, the landscaping industry, the tourist industry.
Another thing....in the BIG picture of life, the ag industry is a very small part of the American economy...this year alone, there is a chance that remittances sent back home by illegals will be greater. 12 Million illegals in our midst offset any benefits this program may bring to us.
Anywhere you look, the situation is simple....Corporate America wants bodies, as that depresses wages. The United Nations wants bodies coming to America as a means of lifting third world countries out of poverty, and the people expected to pay the cost are those who can least afford it in our American Society....a plan that lowers our standard of living in the lower middle and lower class IS NOT A SOLUTION, yet that is exactly what the Senate Bill would do. Maybe to someone earning $150,000 a year, losing on average 8 percent of your income through depressed or stagnant wages is no big deal, but for a working Joe on say $20,000 a year, it's a WHOLE LOT.
One other note...even the United Nations admits this group of people will be negatively impacted in various ways, and says the hosting country needs to find a way to reimburse them for these losses if significant immigration program is going to work, and be accepted.....well curious, where is the Federal Government in making people like me whole? It's not there.
Why does Porgie T. have limited rights on this forum in your opinion. Are you here to give out rights? I thoughly enjoy the debates posted by Porgie and Debbie, I see nothing wrong with disagreement, are you not part of the liberals that believe in rights for everyone? I think they do a fine job in debating. I am interested in everyone's opinion. Everyone has their story and their life experiences and some haven't had positive experiences with illegal immigration.
Illegal immigrant workers are not saving U.S. agriculture.
The illegal immigrants can now work anywhere, in any industry, and they are.
This is the second year, California farmers are crying they don't have enough workers.
Remember, we have 12 Million + illegal immigrants in the U.S., nearly 3 million in California.
There must be a cheaper way to subsidize the ag producers, these are not sweet little farmers and their families, these are huge operations.
Here locally, in my county growers are pulling out peaches, because they can't hire enough pickers.
Yet we have illegal immigrants standing on corners waiting to be picked up for jobs.
Construction, and landscaping are preferred.
If we need illegal immigrants for farmwork, why aren't work permits issued for farmwork only. I think Jackie and some others have said illegal immigrants come and bring their fammilies so they don't have to risk repeated border crossings, so failure to issue adequate agriculture work permits is a problem.
If work permits were issued would the workers have to be paid fairly and have safe conditions? Some growers do provide both, but certainly not all. I don't know of any who provide health coverage for seasonal workers. None.
Some growers don't want to have to be held to any standards for pay and workplace safety and hours worked, an undocumented, illegal immigrant is preferred.
I am so ashamed of my nation's current attitude toward working people.
All made possible by a government that has encouraged illegal immigration.
Let's go back just a bit. Jackie made a post at the beginning of September, something about 21st century slavery. In that story, Jackie tells us how she ENCOURAGED some Guatmalans to ABANDON THE FIELDS, and to head into town to the MALL to find other illegals who could help them. She finished the story telling us how several of them had GONE INTO TOWN, were working at OTHER JOBS.
FACE IT....JAckie is a hypocrite
Your tactics aren't working. Try to not hate these people, when it is clearly our own government responsible for the debacle of a nation flying into lawless corruption and complete disregard for anyone doing "work" that does not require a university degree.
Say what you want, 12-20 million invading our border is a deliberate act, even if a desparate one. I have at least 30 illegals in the house beside me, and 30 across the street from me, and a house that has dropped significantly in value, and cannot sell it..................some of the blame falls on a nation that has not protected us and our way of life, some of the blame falls on the nation of Mexico, and some of it falls on 12-20 million people who have no respect for our dignity. Like it or not, for many in America, it's coming down a situation of US, or THEM. If it comes down to that, I know which side I am on............does not take a rocket scientist to see it's getting that desparate, and still our Government wants to ignore the will of the American people, content to sell us out to Corporate Interests.
We did it! We have succeeded to such a degree that now we have no one interested in performing menial labor.
Porgie and others refuse to see the reality of this situation. Do we have issues - you bet we do. Do we need a strong border and enforceable immigration policies - absolutely. Have I ever screamed "amnesty!" Hell no. I am screaming for the people who have PAID their taxes, PAID social security benefits OR who have proof of their work in agriculture - THEY do not deserve further persecution.
I don't care how you chop it up and move it around and piece it together - IF they can prove they are doing all they can to assimilate and work and contribute - they do not deserve the derogatory remark of "illegal."
I can hear Porgie now so I'll just respond as I have a hundred times before:
They are "illegal aliens" because we made shoddy, unenforceable laws and now WE use the term to alienate people who would crawl on their bellies for a shot at the "American Dream."
WE DID THIS - OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DID THIS - YOU CAN'T ESCAPE IT & YOU CAN'T PLACE ALL THE BLAME AT THE FEET OF IMPOVERISHED, UNEDUCATED THIRD WORLD PEOPLE.
Or perhaps some can....but, bless their hearts, they are a MINORITY.