Unless you believe that every US born child of an illegal immigrant is on public assistance, this is something you need to consider - if you are of the anti-immigration frame of mind.
Every US born child of an illegal immigrant parent is not on public assitance - it's safe to assume that and I can verify that personally. Many, many of them are too afraid to draw attention to themselves by leaving any kind of paper trail whatsoever. They just get along as best they can with what they make - same as any of us would do.
But what if each and every working, non-welfare recipient illegal immigrant parent was deported today? What if they each left 2 or 3 kids, a spouse, and maybe an aged mother behind that depended on them as their sole bread winner? And that many more millions of people were forced onto public assistance - along with those that are on there now.
That's just the welfare aspect of it. Think about kids who come from broken homes where they didn't have the guidance of a well-adjusted adult. What if their well-adjusted adult was the one who got deported? Who's going to care how these kids grow up and merge into adulthood and society? What about stability issues?
If you advocate putting those children left behind in foster care, that's another burden. Foster care is already a poor excuse for child advocacy in this country. What's it going to be like when millions more kids are thrust into that system as well?
You people who are on the far side of the immigration issue should consider the ramifications of deportation and be very careful of what you wish for because if you think the public assistance, child welfare, and public benefits of all kinds systems are overburdened now - just wait.
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There are no easy answers. Thank you for pointing this out.
Be very careful what you wish for.
How did we ALL get here? Before Ellis Island, my people came here with a bit of money and a lot of elbow grease. Many of my people made their way from the East Coast to the Rocky Mountains - ON FOOT.
Before Ellis Island, people basically just came.
Tell me, what's so different about immigration BEFORE Ellis Island and illegal immigration.
There are differences, but not as striking as one might think.
Dangers - Aside from who should, who could, and who would - they're here. I'm talking about the parents of the kids who are US citizens. Not the ones that might come tomorrow. The ones that are here and established.
The "legal resident" that you dated should have explained to you how the process works because, obviously, he didn't tell you everything. If you have no money, no collateral, no status, no skills in your home country - it is damned near impossible to even get a visitor's visa to come to the US, much less to apply for permanent residency. Otherwise, you have to have someone petition on your behalf. Everybody doesn't have that someone. But this is not about them. This is about the detrimental effects deportation of the sole bread winners of these families is going to have on their US born children and other dependants. It's not about having sympathy. It's about realizing just how many people will be thrown into the system if the glorious day of reckoning that you hope for finally comes. You will feel the effects. Everybody will feel the effects. When you're a minor child with your parents yanked from your life and you're left essentially on your own - it's not that easy to "pick up the pieces and move on". How do you suggest a kid would go about doing that? I'd really like to hear the explaination. And before you say that they can "go back" with their deported parent(s), save it. They don't have anything to "go back" to. They are citizens. They were born here. This is just as much their country as it is any of the rest of ours country.
As far as the Americans "having jobs" when the illegal immigrants leave, I'll entertain that thought when you show me the Americans stooped over right along side of these people in the fields in the boiling sun for 15hr days at below minimum wage. If they want the jobs, let them take the jobs. But I don't see anybody breaking down the doors to get into that market.
Don't talk to me about what they would do "if they cared" about their kids. Do you realize they are risking life and limb to GET here because they care about their kids? Their families? Themselves? Do you think they just trek across 130 degree deserts for shits and giggles because it got boring at home?
This is a cold hard fact hehe READ IT!
Read this also
On October 30, 2000, President Clinton signed into law H.R. 2883, The Child Citizenship Act of 2000. The new law, Public Law 106-395, amends the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) to permit foreign-born children –– including adopted children –– to acquire citizenship automatically if they meet certain requirements. It becomes effective on February 27, 2001.
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FOREIGN BORN children.....foreign born.
Has nothing, ya hear me? Crap diddly to do with US born kids. Thanks.
Title V contains amendments to the welfare bill, the Social Security Act, and the INA which are directed at limiting aliens' access to public benefits. Proof of citizenship is required to receive public benefits and verification of immigration status is required for Social Security and higher-educational assistance. A transition period (until April 1, 1997) is established for aliens who are currently receiving food stamps.
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I love it when shoot downs are self-inflicted.
and plus i had never seen once in any of my previous statments that I said U.S. born children thanks....
if you wouldnt keep misquoting the law or just not reading it you wouldnt be in this little mess..
I quoted it word for WORD, skippy and doesn't it sting just a little?
And furthermore - if you thought they had no bearing on this subject - like you now claim, why did you toss them in?
THEY ARENT 10th CLASS CITIZENS THEY ARE ZERO CLASS "its" WHO DELIBERETLY BROKE THE LAW TO GET HERE AND SHOULD BE DELIBERETLY PUT BACK!
You mean straight from the horse's (government immigration website) mouth isn't factual enough? Your public assistance theory has clearly been debunked.
Which "stories" do you want facts for? If you're lacking the aforementioned common sense, no amout of laying it down for you is going to make you realize the dire straits this country is going to be in when all of these people hit these systems. And they will hit these systems, if mass deportations start.
Did I tell another "story" that has slipped my mind? I don't understand what you want "facts" for. Please elaborate. But while we're at it, where are *your* facts? You painted with a very wide brush in your original post. In advance, anything from sites such as ALIPAC, et al will not be entertained by me.
And as far as me being uneducated about the facts of immigration, I'm living the facts of immigration, dear. I married one of them.
I would also like to share some other facts. The crops illegal immigrants or how should i put *Jobs Americans won't do* was supposed to be mechanized by now meaning the majority of per say handpicking would of been long gone and it would of ALL been done by machinery. What happened there?
The illegal alien population is already hurting our welfare system. Isn't it funny i could get refused medical attention yet an illegal immigrant is and has been bankrupting hospitals. We can go blow for blow but its pointless when you simply face the fact that illegal aliens broke our immigration laws and that's the bottom line. Have you ever lived abroad like i have where they ENFORCE immigration laws.. They don't have the problems the United States does.
Here is another reference "Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866."
Anyway this drifted off point of your intial topic of taxing our public welfare system if all the parents were deported. First of all what parent in there right mind is gonna leave a child behind regardless of situation thinking that letting Uncle Sam raise them is in their childs best interest. Americans want illegals out and that by majority will be reflected at the polls in November. Regardless 14+ million illegals aren't gonna deported regardless of what anybody wishes and they * the illegal aliens* know it.
Don't ask me what happened with mechanized crop picking. I'm not a farmer. The question still remains, tho - where are the Americans lining the hoed rows in the fields? I'm not seeing any - are you?
You cannot and you will not be refused medical attention IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY in any ER in the country. If you are, you have a lawsuit. The end. Your welfare system theory has already been proven false and dismissed in this article.
Jacob Howard was illiterate by his own admission. "This will not include foreigners born in the US." How are FOREIGNERS born in the US?
You're right. They're not going to be deported. Their US born kids certainly won't be. And this all goes back to addressing them and making it so that they can be contributing members of society with work permits and SS cards.
Here I an Ideal,
1st. When Ilegal Alians are cought Run a background check for criminal activity. Then give then two options. Option number 1 renounce citizenship to their home country and swear alegence to the USA. Then grant them a contingent citizenship that can be revoked if the don't pay their income taxes in the first 5 years, Or if they are convicted of some crimes. Issue a social security card and varify their address and identity. Require them to attend classes so they are learning aboout The USA. One of the fundimental constructs of American society it that every one knows their rights and their responsibilities. It is not unreasonable to expect participation in the system.
Option number 2 deport them.
Let it be their choice but under no circumstances should an ilegal imigrent be allowed to stay if they refuse to swear alegence to the USA.
All the problems related to this issue stem from one basic source. Ilegal imigrents don't follow the law on imigration. Why would they follow any other law. It is not the intent of most people to get them out of the country. It is the intent to know who they are and what they have in mind. DO NOT forget the people who hijacked the planes on 9/11 were here ilegally. They did their best to stay off the radar and carried out their plans. Why would we not assume that there are others amoung the ilegal imigrant population who would do the same?
If you aren't granted permanent residency here, much less a visitor's Visa--shouldn't that tell you something??? There might be a reason why the US doesn't want you here.
So is this why they are coming here illegally then? Because they can't do it the right way? ILLEGAL has a meaning, whether you like it or not. It is against the law to be here if you are not a citizen. So they come here with no skills, no money, nothing pretty much. They knock someone up in the process and then they are going to be deported and leave their kids behind to fend for themselves? If you love your family, either take them with you or fight to be a citizen. If you can't be a citizen, I guess that only leaves one other option.
"I'm telling you...people who continue to push for mass deportations.
Be very careful what you wish for."
That speaks volumes for the kind of people that you believe these illegals are. The fact that you believe they would leave their own flesh and blood behind if they are sent back where they belong. Very sad that a parent could actually cast a child aside like yesterdays trash. That would only end up proving what most people believe already. That they only got pregnant and birthed the child here with the hope that it would enable them to stay in this country. When they find out it won't work, they just toss the kid out, what's the point in keeping it if its not doing its job right? Sick!
"You cannot and you will not be refused medical attention IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY in any ER in the country."
Not entirely true, they only have to stabilize you and try to keep you breathing and hopefully alive until you can be shipped out to a public facility! I just spent an entire day in the emergency room, I read all the signs, over and over!
And that is true of most countries, so what's your point? No country wants to allow people in that are only going to be a burden to the society! Makes sense to me!
Yeah, so, Moggy? That's just as much of an ER privilidge that any body else has. What's your gripe? And besides, a middle aged barren woman is hardly an authority on what a parent would and would not do for their child. You're out of your zone in speaking out about that.
You're right, Mary. The argument is over. You're an idiot who either cannot read or cannot comprehend and that's that. The end.
For your information, I am not barren as you put it, nor am I middle aged. I just figured out how to not get myself knocked up like you managed to do to (more than once), and then stuck with a loser for a husband. It looks like I'm a bit smarter than you are.
You are the one that is suggesting that these illegals would just abandon their children when they are no longer useful to them as anchors. That was not my idea! I would think any real mother would never consider just walking away from her child/children like that! Unbelievable!
And as usual, you stoop to name calling and personal insults because you have nothing intelligent or clever to say. You calling someone else an idiot is really quite commical Senobia.
I'm glad you're a miserable old hag with children you don't want and a loser for a husband, you deserve it all! You have earned it!
Senobia's back to her old self, again. Instead of presenting real facts, she's back to making personal attacks and demonizing the other side of the argument. Don't take it too personally, Moggy, she does that to everyone when they don't agree with her.
Yep, Joe. I'm all out of other cheeks to turn. I plan to volley them back each and every time they are hurled. Turnabout's fair play, isn't it?
*Yawn*
But you implied in your article that the illegals are going to be pushed back leaving their children and loved ones behind? Wouldn't you try to take those loved ones with you when you go? Why would you leave them behind as a burden on our society? (Yes, you did say they'd be a burden in your last sentence).
First of all, do you think they assign seats on the busses that they use to transport them back, allowing families to be reunited in the process? Do you think they give them some kind of furlough to get their affairs in order and tie up loose ends before they're carted off? No. They are swept away to jails and detention centers and nobody outside of the guards has access to them. They are moved around in the middle of the night from center to center and no forwarding information is left. They disappear until they are released in Mexico weeks or months later and the family left behind doesn't know anything of them unless and until they get a phone call through to them from whichever border town they were discarded in.
I did not say they would be a burden. What I did say was:
You people who are on the far side of the immigration issue should consider the ramifications of deportation and be very careful of what you wish for because if you think the public assistance, child welfare, and public benefits of all kinds systems are overburdened now - just wait.
"Applicants must demonstrate that they have ties to Mexico that would compel them to return after a temporary stay in the United States. U.S. consular officers look for evidence of strong family, business, or social ties."
And the cost of a VISA application is 100 dollars. If she can't afford it, why don't you and your hubby pay for it for her? Or better yet, why don't you take the children to see her? You said your husband provides well for you and your family, so I'm sure you can afford a little trip across the border, and after all you're legal so why not?
"Border Crossing Card (BCC): The Mexican-U.S. border-crossing card, allowing card-holders to move easily through border immigration controls, is available to qualified travelers to use as a B1/B2 (business/tourist) visa. It contains many security features, is valid for 10 years, and is often called a "laser visa."
Even before the 2001 terrorist attacks occurred, U.S. law stipulated that all BCCs must contain a biometric identifier, such as fingerprint, and be machine-readable. The BCC program then became the model for subsequent U.S. secure entry/exit procedures."
http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1336.html
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/0905/ijpe/visacode.htm
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1263.html
"They are moved around in the middle of the night from center to center and no forwarding information is left."
Oh the drama! LOL, I bet they came here in the middle of the night with no forwarding information as well.
You still have avoided the following questions: Wouldn't you try to take the loved ones with you? Why would you even fathom leaving them behind to be a burden on our system?
In conclusion--If these illegal immigrants cared about the welfare of their children they would have gone through the proper steps to become a law-abiding, tax paying AND LEGAL citizen of this country. End of story.
I have no problem with immigrant farm workers or workers in general that have proper documentation. I have no problem with worker, student or temporary visa's in our country.. I have no problem with people wishing to immigrate to our country legally.. I just can't understand WHY the legality factor is simply overlooked. They don't overlook it when i go 10 mph over the speed limit.
Political fanatical lobbyist groups like La Raza " A private, non-profit, and non-partisan organization focused on reducing poverty and discrimination, and improving opportunities, for Hispanic Americans. www.nclr.org/ Gotta laugh at the non-partisan claim" :P.. They are greasing some of our politican's wallets with gifts or promised votes in November...
The way i see it is my welfare benifits now and as i reach retirement will be directly impacted by illegal immigration. So yeah if it impacts my quality of living now then how about then? I'm paying their bills already in one way or another. Our country is in the crappy condition it is because of the " We will let it go this time non accountability mindset. It has to stop sometime agree? Our country needs a great turn around or revolution if you will and this will require our governments leaders to take a firm stand on enforcing all laws.
I will tell you this. The pulse of our country is a sick pulse by the incompetency our our federal government. Americans are so tired to include me of are laws being overlooked or not enforced to begin with. The ultimate hipocrisy of it all is the threat that at any time my company could pull its roots and send my job to Mexico. In fact some of my company's jobs already have been with more on the chopping block.
P.S. Did i say you were cute and secondly I like to read your opinion whether i like it or not :P I have alot of respect for somebody that stand behind what they believe in or holds there ground!
Robi, do you have kids? If you don't, I'm not going to discuss what a parent would or would not do with you. Kids are a little bit more involved than the horse and kitties that you write about. You just can't say what you'd do in a situation until you were in it.
Kirk, they do pay into SS and Medicare regardless of whether they pay income tax. Now, the logical thing to do would be to give them - the ones who are here, working, and established - a work authorization so that they can contribute by way of income taxes. As it is, they pay $7B into programs they are never going to see - however, that's an asset that goes unnoticed by the majority in the US. They don't send their money home to be un-American or to further Mexico's economy. They send it to their babies. To their wives. To their parents and grandparents - the people they came here to support in the first place. Wherever home base is, that's where the money is going to go.
Looks like you're holdin' up just fine.
hmmmmm.........that's quite a bit to think about. Regardless...as Debbie CONTINUOUSLY POINTS OUT....
1. These babies are legal, U.S. Citizens. The law creates room for assumptions and the United States government has, for GENERATIONS, recognized ANY CHILD NOT BORN TO A DIPLOMAT, as a bonified U.S. Citizen - period - finished - done. If the law is changed - it will be highly illegal to make it retroactive - in short, it won't happen. SO, you can scream law all you want but attorneys can cite a thousand times over - laws that were "unenforced" thereby NULL....such as homosexuality and adultery.
As to the scenario offered in the article - It is STARK REALITY AND I COULD CARE LESS WHO POSTED IT...IT WOULD STILL BE STARK REALITY.
Let me ask all those who scream about these kids not being citizens - even when they possess the birth certificates and social security cards that ALL citizen children receive.....
You are so brave, so forward in your contempt...Would you verbally attack a child? Would you tell that child that they MUST return to a strange place - that you no longer want them here? Do you tell your children and grandchildren that they are thieves of the American Dream?
The reason I ask is because this hysteria has reached such a level that children have been verbally attacked by adults - once at WalMart, once at a school and once at a basketball game.
The ages of the children were 7, 9, and 13. The first two were little girls and the third a boy.
Tell me a U.S. born Hispanic child is safe. Tell me that no matter how negatively you feel and no matter how severely you battle...you would NEVER verbally attack a child with the same words you use on these boards.
I try to respect everyone - God knows I fail miserably sometimes...but dammit, I try.
You can say anything you want to me, cuss me until hell won't have me - but do humanity one small favor - Save your opinions for the adults -
Don't abuse the children.
Trust me, I understand that kids are involved. But what's so hard about the cold hard facts? Before you decided to have children did it ever occur to either one of you that maybe becoming a LEGAL citizen of our country was a little more important? Oh, but now that illegal immigrants might be deported, now is the time to worry about the kids. That just seems a little bass-ackwards to me.
And you're trying to make me sympathize with you? "You're still not realizing they don't get the chance to make that decision. They are taken into custody immediately. It's not like jail, dear - where you get to make out a visitors list and have a phone call when you want one. You're isolated. There is no contact. There is no opportunity to make decisions. People just disappear." HELLO!! They are breaking the law! Get it? I don't sympathize with anyone that had the choice to be there or not, and obviously chose to be there.
1. They're still here.
2. They're still working.
3. The kids are still citizens.
4. Ain't a blessed thing YOU can do about it.
5. No amount of your pissing and moaning is going to change it.
As a matter of fact, you don't even have to read a paltry word I've typed, but when all of these systems come crashing down around you and there is nothing left even for "your own" to benefit from due to all of these people being forced onto said systems, I hope you are as verbal and belligerent. Sadly, after it happens, there still won't be a blessed thing you can do about it - except kick yourself in the ass that you didn't see it coming when you were warned and forewarned.
Dangers Untold--you are very correct. She can't hear rational thinking because her brain isn't set up to accept it. It's Senobia's world or nothing at all!
But since every response that you type has to do with kids and their well-being, let me educate you a little further. Bi-racial kids, especially those born of a black and white couple, have been the targets of discrimination since time began. You're very gung ho that a parent should always do the right thing by a child and be the proverbial role model. Aren't you looking out for your future children's well-being in choosing the men that you keep company with? Setting them up for a life of racial persecution by them being born of a specifically targeted union doesn't sound like a well-thought out parenting plan to me. Tsk, tsk.
I mean, since you're wanting to get personal and shit - let's get personal.
I despise racism and racially motivated dialogue.
Senobia: You made some REALLY valid points about mass deporting the parents of U.S. Citizen children....I would like to think that we've evolved to a point that we will stop short of persecuting the children we have acknowledged since birth.
I was talking to teens this week - my own included. Just so you all know, they think we've lost our minds.
We have fought SO hard to end racism and increase cultural tolerance in this nation and I gotta tell ya: We've come a long damn way.
The sons of a co-worker are half Filipino. Their friends are white, Mexican, Black and Chinese. They play together and live nearby. The ages of these kids are 11 and 14 years.
My daughter suffered an identity crisis last year. She speaks Spanish fluently but is white. She loves to help and gravitates toward the ESL students. She did really well last year and has found herself in advanced coursework, with one Hispanic, a few black friends and a majority of white students. It has been an experience so far but she is enjoying herself.
To her surprise, her new white friends think it's really cool that she is bilingual. They have asked her to interpret with a few ESL students and she finds herself acting as a "bridge" to new friendships.
She loves it.
Bottom line is this: Diversity is not evil. Being the majority doesn't make us more powerful or better or smarter...it just makes us the majority.
After this week, I have much more faith in those teens than I have in us. It also confirms what I already suspected.
The Columbia University incident will continue to be repeated if this idiocy continues.
Well, Joe, you're wrong. There are lots of people supporting themselves and their own on an "illegal immigrant's wages". It's called living within your means and if you can't pay cash for it, don't buy it. It's not a new concept. You got the rest of it wrong, too because I've already stated that not all of them are on public assistance. Scratch that, none of them are. I meant not all of them are receiving public assistance for their kids. But all of them who are not stand a good chance of being forced into that system - as well as all the other systems - should their sole provider be deported.
Only the U.S. citizen children qualify and the majority of families are
1. afraid to apply because they have heard repeatedly that they won't qualify for any change of status if they accept governmental assistance.
2. Don't qualify because both work and they earn too much money
3. They are farm workers and never in one place long enough to establish references, proof of address and other requirements for their U.S. citizen children to qualify.
4. In those cases where he works for cash and she doesn't and there are citizen children in the household, the family qualifies for foodstamps and medicaid FOR ONLY THOSE U.S. BORN.
HOWEVER.....If nothing else, it demonstrates the level of bigotry so alive and well today - and it's important for people to read so they can assess their own bias and exactly how they want to be associated.
The fact is, things are starting to happen. The more people ridicule and come forward with their slurs and vulgarity, the more others back off and actually start drawing their own moral lines.
So, you can take it and so can I and so can Debbie and so can Web and so can hundreds of others who follow these posts.
Sigh....carry on.......
I somewhat agree that having to take care of so many kids through our public assistance programs could have a negative effect on those systems. But on the other hand, it would not be as detrimental as legalizing all 12 mil. of the illegals here now. If people here illegally and not able to get public assistance, suddenly woke up one morning to amnesty and decided to apply for full social benefits for them as well as their kids, would you not agree that it would be worse for our public assistance programs? And what about all the other people (friends and family) that would come here sponsored by the new "legalized" citizens? Is it fair to ask all U.S. taxpayers to foot the bill for them as well?
I keep hearing that illegals are not elligible for public assistance, yet I keep reading more and more about how they are fraudulently using S.S. cards, obtaining fraudulent FHA loans, etc., etc. How can you or anyone for that matter be so sure that they are NOT obtaing social benefits in the same manner?
...."It's pointless to argue since there will NEVER be anything done about AMERICA'S problems until AMERICANS do something about them."
What shall we do?
"There isnt anything we legals can do about it..."
Just wanted to know if you were giving up! I do all the things you listed and more.
Dangers...
You haven't said SH*T!!
Are you going to just ignore my question to you above?
Are you going to ignore my question as well?
And when there are no more jobs?
Well, going by your infinite wisdom, I "sit on my fat ass behind a computer screen".
And let me reiterate...on this thread, you haven't said SHIT! Everything you said has ALREADY been said on numerous threads throughout the Gather network. You kinda sound like a Parrot! Now, what are YOU going to do about the "illegal" immigration issue besides echo what everyone else has already said?
BTW...immigration IS NOT ILLEGAL!
Your post: "As far as I am concerned, immigration is illegal for a reason."
I keep hearing that illegals are not elligible for public assistance, yet I keep reading more and more about how they are fraudulently using S.S. cards, obtaining fraudulent FHA loans, etc., etc. How can you or anyone for that matter be so sure that they are NOT obtaing social benefits in the same manner?
Because there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between spending money and receiving benefits, H.G.
State social service programs in most states - if not all - are required to check with the SSA - any number issued to a person NOT BORN IN THE U.S.A. Before you scream identity fraud, allow me to tell you this. SSA KNOWS if a number is being used by more than one person and they KNOW the original person's data such as parent name, mother's maiden name, all the places that person has lived, how many times the person married, how many children the person has, etc. The person applying is REQUIRED to answer all kinds of questions related to personal history IF the Worker SUSPECTS fraud.
You MUST understand the mindset, H.G. They know they are illegal. They do not want to be caught. They do not want to arrested and deported. They will do NOTHING to jeopardize their physical presence here.
We allow our imaginations to run away with us. We walk in to a Social Services building and we see Hispanics and suddenly "Everyone's on a check!"
Not so.
First off, only the citizens born to a family are eligible. A family of five with one citizen born child, receives food stamps and medicaid for ONE KID. Parents don't qualify nor do foreign-born children. In the formula to approve or disapprove, only the worker's income and the one eligible child are counted, rather than a family of five - it becomes a family of two.
Also, H.G. you need to look up the number of jobs being created each year as opposed to the number of available citizens to do those jobs. you will find that there is a shortage of workers - which is why our government allowed the influx.
Again, if you are angry - take it up with the government - demand an explanation from them.
Don't be so quick to justify cruelty and prejudice - it isn't as it appears.
What's next? What if there's no more air? No more dirt? No more Velveeta cheese?
YOU'RE KIDDING!!! NO SHIT?!
NO VELVEETA CHEESE!!!.....OMG!.....what shall we do??!
"You can't just "fill out paperwork". You can't just go from "undocumented" to "citizen" by signing a form. There are qualifications to meet, hoops to jump through, and miles and miles of red tape to sever."
There are laws and hoops to jump through for many reasons. There are thousands of people who follow the laws and jump through the hoops because they want to follow the legal process and become legalized, law abiding US citizens.
Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why these illegal invaders should never be given amnesty/citizenship. Obviously, they feel that laws and hoops are only for everyone else. They also feel that laws and hoops should be able to be bent when convenient or when it serves the person's goals/objectives.
Have you and your family started packing yet? Have you made your travel plans to get back to Mexico? Word of advice, I would definitely begin doing so.
Goodbye Senobia and all other illegal invaders. I hope that you have a nice trip back to your lawless, corrupt countries of origin.
You really should quit wasting time posting on these blogs. You could be helping Senobia and her illegal friends and brothers/sisters to pack.
I suggested before.....Maybe you can rent a greyhound type of bus to help them get to their countries before the mass deportations??
If a candidate mentions comprehensive immigration reform and/or support for a guest worker program--it will mean amnesty/citizenship. Please investigate your candidates' opinions/goals on illegal immigration before you vote!! Don't vote strictly by party lines, vote on the candidate's plans/goals/opinions regarding illegal immigration.
If all of those illegal immigrants are given amnesty/citizenship--and they then are able to bring over immediate family members--the USA as we know and love it, will be changed forever. We will be turned into a third world country-- the economy and wages will be depressed forever, and our resources/social services/schools/healthcare systems will become over-extended failures. US citizens will face increased problems in trying to obtain decent jobs. In addition, your taxes will increase--as the illegals will be eligible for MORE social benefits (welfare, food stamps, WIC, low-income housing, etc.)--once they receive citizenship!!!
Please go to this Lou Dobbs site, on the right side of the screen you will see the headings below. Please look up to see how senators voted on illegal immigration issues. Please also send a message to congress stating--No amnesty/citizenship, revise the 14th Amendment (no more anchor babies), and enforce our current immigration laws. Also, make sure that you always watch Lou Dobbs on CNN--as he is the only person in media that goes out of his way to make sure that the LEGAL US citizens are aware of everything that is going on in our country.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
Look for the following:
YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS
How senators voted on key issues
Send a message: Tell Congress what you think
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight
Here are some videos/sites that I definitely recommend to state on top of all of the immigration news.
Aztlan/Reconquista video----The belief by groups such as La Raza ("the race"), Mecha, Maldef, Brown Berets, etc.--that they are going to take back US territory that formerly belonged to Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STGYN3vyEj8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=JCCVUot-hBo
www.americanpatrol.com
www.lawatchdog.com
www.saveourstate.org (go to forums, "What's on Tap" and "General Discussion")
http://anti-illegalimmigrationevents.com
www.numbersusa.com
www.minutemanproject.com
http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm
http://www.aztlan.net
I wonder how many US-born 'anchor babies' are turning 18 this election year? Millions, I'll betcha. I wonder how many of them will be inclined to vote, considering the way their parents are being treated in this country? Millions, I'll betcha.
I know I'm going to encourage the ones I know to register. Thanks for reminding me.
http://www.unitedstates.fm/minutemantv.htm
Go down to the middle of the screen, and click on Minuteman.tv promo
There are currently not enough anchors turning 18 to sway our elections.
When Tom Tancredo gets in office in 2008, he will make sure that anchors will not be able to influence any of our future elections!!!
So, you and your six supporters will have to place your hopes on another delusion.
You really should not let your desperation and delusions get in the way of reality.
The smart thing for you to do at this point is to start packing and making your moving arrangements. Are you not aware of the laws that are being put into place against illegal invaders in cities throughout the country? Each day, a new city joins the list--as they do not want all of the illegal invaders being kicked out to pick up and move into their towns. This is all being done because it is the will of the majority of legal, US citizens.
The majority of legal, US citizens do not want you--or any other illegal invaders--to remain in our country--demanding rights/benefits that belong to US citizens ONLY. Illegal invaders have no rights and are not entitled to any benefits--they are not legal, US citizens. What part of "ILLEGAL" do you or your illegal brothers and sisters not get?
There are not enough anchors today to sway our elections. In 2008, Tom Tancredo, when elected president, will make sure that anchors will not be able to sway any of our future elections when they are able to vote.
As for your Tancredo..you do realize the vast numbers of US born children of immigrants reaching legal voting age each year, right? 06...07...08. Yeah...he has a chance. *eyeroll*
Oh, that's right.....It is your husband who is the illegal. No problem then...You and your kids get to stay because you are legal. However, you should begin to help your husband to pack his bags.
HI! Now let's see.....hmmmmm.......300Mil "legal" people in the U.S....12Mil "illegals"......I think you guys better "get busy" if you want to sway the votes in your favor!
Not as many as you'd like!