A group of immigration advocates filed a lawsuit against the US government recently regarding the constitutional rights of the US born children of undocumented immigrants being violate by constantly having to life in fear of persecution and being separated from their families.
I am very, very glad this is happening. It touches my heart to see someone standing up for these darlings and validating their concerns and their inner turmoils. I hope this lawsuit sets a precedent that immigration advocates around the country will follow.
These kids are our future - no matter how much some of us refuse to realize that. They need to know that they matter to someone. And apparently - they do.
That constant, anguished uncertainty is the basis of a class-action lawsuit filed in federal court Wednesday on behalf of Escobar and dozens of other U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants.
The lawsuit, filed by a coalition of local immigrant advocacy groups, argues that the constitutional rights of those young citizens are being violated by their families' precarious status, and that deportations of the parents of U.S. citizen children should stop until Congress passes comprehensive immigration reform.
''When the government deports the parents, they tell the citizen children that they can go back with their parents, or stay and be wards of the state, and that's not a choice,'' said Alfonso Oviedo.
recommend this
email
print
link to this page
Comments: 168
11 million people could make a huge difference in the conditions of a nation. Look up Ellis Island and you will see that for many years there was a place for people to legally enter the country. The imigration now it is just as easy as going to the local library or getting on the computer at a friend's house. Here is a link.
http://www.us-immigration.com/information/citizenship_tutorial/index.html
Excuse you?
So you mean that while you're out finding a computer to get on, you solicit people to petition for you, too? It's THAT easy?
Senonia T. Each person who is here illegally has the freedom to make a choice. (until they are caught) that choice is to apply for citizenship or pack up the kids and take them home.
Laws are measured by many standards. One standard is a measure if the law is arbitrary, does it treat all similarly situated people the same. Similarly situated people could include a group or a class within a group.
Let's consider the group Illegal aliens, included in that group are the sub-groups Single people, married couples without children, married couple with children, unmarried with children and orphaned children. Of course there is no doubt that orphaned children should be treated as a separate group. Special laws should be written for them and automatic citizenship is a reasonable answer.
The big dilemma is how do you construct a law that treats all the other subgroups fairly. A man who has no wife and child is arguably indistinguishable from any other man. If you place these two types of men in a room there would be no way to distinguish between them. Would you then need to distinguish between the natural father of a child and an adopted child? Are you getting the picture? It's far too complex to just throw a few sentences on the books.
What happens, David, when one breaks a civil law ten years ago and they are never caught? What is the statute of limitations on civil misdemeanors?
Do you know? Does anyone?
You treat them like 10th class citizens, you separate them from their children and you feel powerful exclaiming your right to do so.
Do you think this makes us "one nation under God?" Do you think the moral fabric of this nation is based upon that class of belief?
Everyone here is responsible - I don't care how you cut it. We aren't to be excused and neither are they.
The only solution is to find a middle place - where no one is thrilled but everyone can live with the consequences of their actions.
I don't think everyday citizens in this country would ever agree to stripping a U.S. Citizen child from their parents - Do you?
Actually, there have been polls. I believe that at least 67% of US citizens said that they do not feel that "anchor kids" should prevent the parents from being deported. Illegally invading the country of another is NOT a civil misdemeanor. They don't have to leave their kids here, they have the choice to take them along. Therefore, nobody is separating them from their children.
The middle ground is already defined in law. The only thing being discussed in Congress is the guest worker program and possible path to citizenship. AB can be eliminated at the stroke of a pen. I believe the intent of the birth of child by foreigner is understood by most. Birth of child by an unlawful entrant should not be covered by this law. Morality has nothing to do with it.
The laws allready exist and it is a little obsurd that we sould consider changing them.
Very often we hear those discussing illegal immigration say, "What about their American-born children? What will happen to them if their parents are deported?" Simple. If there are no legal relatives here who can look after them, the kids go back with the parents.
Now, some would think that a cruel thing to do. Tell me, is it any more "cruel" than making American-born children leave this country with their American parents? Well, it happens ALL THE TIME in the U.S. Military.
When the parents who are military members are sent overseas for extended tours of duty, in most cases, the entire family (under the age of 18) goes with them. Often these children aren't crazy about moving away from everything they've known. But the government has requested the parent(s) move so the family moves too. Do you ever hear these stories on the news of military families being "forced" to go to strange lands where they're not familiar with the customs? No, you don't and you shouldn't.
So the next time you here a "What about the legal children of illegals?" argument. Answer with this question: Do illegals immigrants' kids deserve better treatment than the children of parents who defend this country?
It's not even worth it to explain it time and time again.
Suffice it to say this lawsuit is going forward whether or not you think that it should and that's that.
US citizens will not stand for any other ruling without a fight!!!
Goodbye Elvira and friends.....Have a nice trip back to Mexico!!!
The child must have at least one U.S. citizen parent by birth or naturalization; be under 18 years of age; live in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent; and be admitted as an immigrant for lawful permanent residence. In addition, if the child is adopted, the adoption must be full and final.
The effective date of the Child Citizenship Act is February 27, 2001. Children who met the requirements of the Act on that date automatically became U.S. citizens. Children who were 18 years of age or older on that date did not acquire U.S. citizenship from the Child Citizenship Act of 2000.
The Act is known as Public Law 106-395, and is codified at 8 U.S.C. §§ 1431-33.
Nuck is right. These illegal mothers are using these kids as pawns in order to get what they want. The illegal mothers have no rights, they are not citizens of our country. They have the choice to either take their children with them, or leave them here with a friend or relative.
This debate has been going on a long time. A poll was taken--over 67% of LEGAL US citizens said that the illegal mothers of anchor children should not be able to avoid deportation because of the children.
There have been protests in front of the church that Elvira has been hiding out at in Chicago. The judge just ruled against her son's constitutional rights being violated claim last week. Their rights are not being violated, as the illegal parents are free to take the children with them. They are not forced to stay in the US.
I didn't realize---I said almost the exact same thing as you.
By Jeff Coen
Tribune staff reporter
Published September 29, 2006, 8:15 PM CDT
A federal judge on Friday dismissed a lawsuit filed on behalf of the young son of a woman who fled to a Humboldt Park church after the government ordered her deportation to Mexico.
The pastor of Adalberto United Methodist Church, Rev. Walter Coleman, had filed a suit contending that 7-year-old Saul Arellano's rights would be violated if his mother, Elvira Arellano, were deported.
U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve sided with the government, which had argued that the child's rights would not be violated and that allowing his mother to stay would grant his mother an extra benefit. Saul is a U.S. citizen by birth.
"The court concludes that, because the pending removal order does not have any legal effect on Saul's right to remain in the United States, Saul will not suffer an injury to his constitutional rights when that order is executed," the judge wrote.
"Put differently, the pending removal order does not prevent Saul from exercising his rights of citizenship. This is not to say that Saul will not suffer a hardship; undoubtedly, he will."
St. Eve wrote that the question before her was whether that hardship was of "constitutional magnitude," and she found that it was not."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-060929elvira,1,3694053.story?coll=chi-news-hed
"These children did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth, but they are granted citizenship when they enter the United States as lawful permanent residents."
The 14th Amendment says....If the parent has citizenship with another country, their child--if born on US soil--also belongs to that country.
Therefore, they could easily take away all rights of citizenship of the anchor children, as they should have never been awarded that citizenship based on the 14th Amendment.
The Act is known as Public Law 106-395, and is codified at 8 U.S.C. §§ 1431-33.
The constant, anguished uncertainty is eliminated if they self deport and go back (with their children) to the country that they came from.
There are currently senators pushing to have the 14th Amendment revised, specifically to prevent birth right citizenship to the children of illegals.
Also, the majority of legal US citizens do not want the illegals to get amnesty/citizenship (myself included). They should not be rewarded for their law breaking behavior, while thousands go through the legal process to become citizens.
If a candidate mentions comprehensive immigration reform and/or support for a guest worker program--it will mean amnesty/citizenship. Please investigate your candidates' opinions/goals on illegal immigration before you vote!! Don't vote strictly by party lines, vote on the candidate's plans/goals/opinions regarding illegal immigration.
If all of those illegal immigrants are given amnesty/citizenship--and they then are able to bring over immediate family members--the USA as we know and love it, will be changed forever. We will be turned into a third world country-- the economy and wages will be depressed forever, and our resources/social services/schools/healthcare systems will become over-extended failures. US citizens will face increased problems in trying to obtain decent jobs. In addition, your taxes will increase--as the illegals will be eligible for MORE social benefits (welfare, food stamps, WIC, low-income housing, etc.)--once they receive citizenship!!!
Please go to this Lou Dobbs site, on the right side of the screen you will see the headings below. Please look up to see how senators voted on illegal immigration issues. Please also send a message to congress stating--No amnesty/citizenship, revise the 14th Amendment (no more anchor babies), and enforce our current immigration laws.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
Look for the following:
YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS
How senators voted on key issues
Send a message: Tell Congress what you think
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight
Here are some videos/sites that I definitely recommend to state on top of all of the immigration news.
Aztlan/Reconquista video----The belief by groups such as La Raza ("the race"), Mecha, Maldef, Brown Berets, etc.--that they are going to take back US territory that formerly belonged to Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STGYN3vyEj8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=JCCVUot-hBo
www.americanpatrol.com
www.lawatchdog.com
http://anti-illegalimmigrationevents.com
www.numbersusa.com
www.minutemanproject.com
http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm
http://www.aztlan.net
You also have very great points also on your second post
The Act is known as Public Law 106-395, and is codified at 8 U.S.C. §§ 1431-33.
You need to take a good look at the 14th Amendment. That is the only reason that they are currently getting citizenship.
Someone pointed out on another site that it would not be that difficult to revise the 14th Amendment, it would only require a challenge to this amendment in the courts.
Also, being that the 14th Amendment has been applied incorrectly, I don't think that it is a matter of it needing to be revised. It would just need acknowledgement through the courts that it has been misinterpreted and applied incorrectly.
Country of birth of the parent. If the parent is a citizen of another country, they are not a citizen of the US. If a child born on US soil becomes a citizen of the same country as the parent, they are not a US citizen.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States
The Federal Government can take away your rights under the Constitution and the Ammendments as long as there is a due process and adequete remedy provided by the law.
"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Here is your due process and adequete remedy.
The Child Citizenship Act of 2000 is a United States federal law that allows certain foreign-born, biological and adopted children of United States citizens to acquire U.S. citizenship automatically. These children did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth, but they are granted citizenship when they enter the United States as lawful permanent residents.
The child must have at least one U.S. citizen parent by birth or naturalization; be under 18 years of age; live in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent; and be admitted as an immigrant for lawful permanent residence. In addition, if the child is adopted, the adoption must be full and final.
The effective date of the Child Citizenship Act is February 27, 2001. Children who met the requirements of the Act on that date automatically became U.S. citizens. Children who were 18 years of age or older on that date did not acquire U.S. citizenship from the Child Citizenship Act of 2000.
The Act is known as Public Law 106-395, and is codified at 8 U.S.C. §§ 1431-33.
-No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;- nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Someone cannot be subject to the jurisdiction of the US or any of its states if they are a citizen of another country. Therefore, their child--if born on US soil--is also considered a citizen of the country that the parent belongs to.
8 U.S.C. §§ 1431-33.
and this is the Operative Law at this time it is an expansion on the 14th ammendment.
"The Child Citizenship Act of 2000 is a United States federal law that allows certain foreign-born, biological and adopted children of United States citizens to acquire U.S. citizenship automatically. These children did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth, but they are granted citizenship when they enter the United States as lawful permanent residents."
This would mean--say--if a service family had a child in another country or adopted a child from another country.
As you see, even this part of the Amendment does not grant them citizenship.....They do not have at lease one US citizen parent.
"The child must have at least one U.S. citizen parent by birth or naturalization; be under 18 years of age; live in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent"
If a US citizen gives birth in Germany, is their child a German or US citizen? The child would be a US citizen. Why?? ---because the mother is a US citizen.
No other country grants citizenship in the manner that you are describing.
I have a 2 year old that was born in Italy.
I am an American citizen as is my Wife.
We live here in Italy as guests of the Italian government and it's people.
We have many rules and laws that are terribly different than the USA that we MUST obey. If we don't obey the local laws we will be asked/forced to leave.
My 2 year old is an automatic American citizen with no rights by birth in Italy. We need to prove that we will not be a burden to the Italian economy and ask permission to stay on a yearly basis. If after our child lives here for 5 full years we can request from the Italian government permission to for her to become a permanent resident and if she completes a test after 18 years she could apply for full citizenship. It is up to us to prove that we as a family will not be a financial burden or security risk on a yearly basis.
Sounds reasonable to me, if we don't like it we can leave it.
Those are the laws of our host and we will follow them.
To bad the United States can't expect/demand the same respect from all the illegals now invading our shores.
See below how easily it can be changed......
"Some countries are restricting lex soli by requiring that at least one of the child's parents be a national of the state in question at the child's birth, or a legal permanent resident of the territory of the state in question at the child's birth, or that the child be a foundling found on the territory of the state in question. The primary reason for imposing this requirement is to limit or prevent people from travelling to a country with the specific intent of gaining citizenship for a child. The 27th amendment to the constitution of the Republic of Ireland was passed by referendum in 2004 for this purpose."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
The illegal mothers intentionally broke our laws. They had the children here in order to provide an anchor to the US (hence, anchor babies). Their lawlessness should not be rewarded. Most of them will never work, just suck up whatever benefits they can. They should be deported just like any other illegal that broke the law. Nobody is keeping their children from them, as they are free to leave with the mother.
"US born children of undocumented immigrants being violate by constantly having to life in fear of persecution and being separated from their families."
The courts are simply going to say---the fear of persecution and being separated from their families will be eliminated if they self deport. Simple, problem solved.
If the parent is caught and will be deported so should the child be. Then there is NO "Persecution" of the "POOR" child, it will not become a ward of the state, and the family will not be separated.
I think we need to take it one step further as well. When they are caught and deported, the US can bill Mexico for the cost to the American tax payer for the hospital bills, and if applicable the cost of having educated that child to the point of time of deportation. Perhaps if the Mexican govt had to foot the bill for encouraging their people to come here illegally, they wouldn't be so quick to pawn their responsibilities onto American Tax Payers.
Now - while we were sleeping and creating small businesses and growing our 401K's, we received some unexpected company. Had that company remained in the shadows, we would not be having this debate. However, they decided to hit the streets - and then we saw just how many there were. They were fine as long as they did not demand rights. They were fine as long as they did not demand recognition. But, hey, they stirred the pot first - so they can just deal with it.
Let's start out by scaring them away from the harvest. Then, while our crops lay rotting and corporations fret about a rabid Republican last ditch effort for Congress and the Senate - let's deport as many as possible and raise the ire of multi-billion dollar industries who rely on these folks to stay competetive. Oh, and while we're at it, let's strip the kids of their right to citizenship.
Does that sound about right? Yes? Just so we're clear about where we are headed...
Everyone forgets that there are myriads of federal, state, and local laws ignored by the governments who created them. We ignore laws all the time. But then, we're allowed by default to do so, correct?
Who gives this generation the undisputed right to declare a group of people unfit? Who do you think we are to stand up and say - oh, but this no longer applies, because there are too many and we just don't like it!!!
All this beligerence over what? What is your worst fear? Are you afraid they'll out-work you? Underbid you? Earn more? Do you buy into all the rhetoric and propaganda that states they are destroying us?
I'll let you in on a little secret: You ain't seen nothin' yet.
While you folks decide the fate of babies of illegal immigrants - Bush still reigns.
When was the last time you checked the news about the war? Do you think you'd be pissed if fanatical legislation had not been suggested and the immigrants had not demonstrated? Think about it.
First off - if you want to be Italian - go be Italian. But I know alot of Americans who prefer to remain Americans. There is nothing wrong with our system - it works exactly as it should.
What's wrong is that the level of hysteria has risen to the point where we are actually contemplating changing the Constitution and Bill of Rights. We are contemplating changing our national identity for some immigrants who, according to a 1996 law, are now considered illegal.
Which legislature has stood the test of time?
Which legislature do you firmly believe in?
Which legislature would you die for or send your children to die for?
These are uneducated, poverty stricken people from another country. You want to send them back - fine - do it. You want to build a fence - fine - do it. You want to screw with the Constitution and Bill of Rights - over my dead damn body you will.
Ask how many military and war veterans can justify such a level of hysteria that they would consider such a monumental change in our country....Ask them, because the VFW where I live insists upon control but immediately quells any fanatical statements.
And that's what they are. It is fear and the lack of education that would drive any U.S. Citizen to suggest a change to the very foundation of this country based on a few million illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants that our government allowed, by default, to enter this country.
You don't like that - go to their asses. Don't mimic a Hitler-era mentality by demanding radical change...What's next? We deny them the right to hospitals? We round them up and put them in tent cities while they await processing to return to their nation? Welcome to the freakin' Gestapo.
Careful what you scream for. You may just get it. The worst thing is - when we're attacked and you have to run, those same poor bastards you can't look at will be the ones welcoming you into THEIR country.
"We ignore laws all the time. But then, we're allowed by default to do so"
Tell that to the Border Patrol. We have not been ignoring this law, illegal immigrants get deported everyday. We just didn't catch as many as we should have. That's why new legislation is currently being written to solve the problem.
"Who gives this generation the undisputed right to declare a group of people unfit?"
We are not declaring them unfit, we are declaring them criminals because they broke the law.
"You want to screw with the Constitution and Bill of Rights - over my dead damn body you will."
There is a process used for changing the Constitution, it's called an Amendment. We've used it several times before and we will use it again, there is nothing your dead damn body can do about that.
"Do you buy into all the rhetoric and propaganda that states they are destroying us?"
Tell that to the border states, whose hospitals are going bankrupt because of illegal immigrants, and to the prison system where illegal immigrants are way overrepresented. It makes sense because illegal immigrants are criminals which makes them more likely to break other laws and end up in prison.
My mom is an immigrant, however she came here legally. I was an Anchor baby because my mother was here on a temporary VISA, but guess what, she respected this country enough to get her citizenship, learn the language, and continue to obey the laws of this country. Everyone else in my family who migrated to the US also got their citizenship. Granting rights to those who came here illegally undermines everything my family did to get to this great country.
Trust me, when the US is attacked, we will not run to Mexico like cowards, well you might. I won't because as I right this message I am sitting in an Internet Cafe in Baghdad and I can tell you from 1st hand experience that real Americans don't run from a fight.
Where would WE, as a country, be if WE were all held accountable for our parent's perceived transgressions?
Is that a burden you're willing to bear, too - while you're demanding everybody else should?
We have all had to bear the burden of wrongs or perceived transgressions committed by our parents and grandparents for one thing or another, and
we do not all stand up and demand that the rest of the American people pay for it.
If the parent is illegal the child is illegal. You mentioned those that are already "citizens" and if the decision were mine, every ONE of those "citizens" would have that citizenship revoked because the parent or parents were illegal, and the new law would make all children born to illegals in this country illegals as well. That would definately slow down and reduce the number of Hospital costs in the border states. I don't like paying the hospital bills for an illegal when I can't take my own child to the hospital due to the sky rocketing costs.
IF THE PARENT IS ILLEGAL SO TOO IS THE CHILD. Return them BOTH!
2. I have THREE of these kids.
3. There are millions of kids in the world just like mine.
4. They're not going any place except to your local House of Representatives.
5. They are YOUR future.
It is the removal of one more incentive that will begin the changes that we need to protect OUR rights, our lives, and our environment.
Senobia, you are just the kind of person the law changes need to address!!! It may not be only up to me, but those who believe as I do, will MEET those who make demands that they are NOT entitled to, at our local House of Representatives. You and your children are NOT my future. For every farm or ranch I see going under for more development, for every low income housing I see filled with foreigners, most of whom are illegal, my determination to fight for OUR rights and the future of MY children is just that much stronger.
I wouldn't be too proud of telling the world how illegal my husband and children are.
Oh, and Debbie, one more thing. I lived in AZ for ten years, I know the burden that the cost of these children and the illegals are, especially to the border communities. I owned a business there, and paid more than my share of taxes to cover the expenses these people generate, and I saw with my own eyes the damage that they do, and the trash they leave in their wake. My own children were not safe to ride horses in the fields and groves around MY property, because these people lived in the groves, and threatened OUR families. They will do anything to prevent being caught and hauled in.
I am all for helping anyone who wants to come here the right way, and ONLY those who were not criminals or dead beats in their own country, but I have NO use for those who come here illegally to have their anchor babies, and bleed our system, and take from OUR children. This is America, and it is our responsibility to take care of OUR OWN first.
With the large number of Legal Immigrants and the outrageous number of illegals, adding these anchor babies is just compounding the drain on the resources we have in this country.
And, just some FYI - Coming to the US undocumented was not a crime until 1929.
"Where would WE, as a country, be if WE were all held accountable for our parent's perceived transgressions?
Is that a burden you're willing to bear, too - while you're demanding everybody else should?" ---Senobia T.
We are held accountable. When the parent of a child breaks a law and ends up in prison, does the government give the child a new father? No. The child suffers because of the parent's actions.
I believe that my father should have spent more time in prison for his actions. I believe the judge went easy on him. When my mother refused to get on welfare and work 2 jobs I was proud of her.
Should my children sue the government for sending me to Iraq? Are their constitutional rights being violated because of my precarious state?
I know you want to believe the these anchor babies are the future of our country, but statistically more of them will end up dropping out of school, getting pregnant at an early age and in prison. I don't even need statistics, I grew up in these neighborhoods and I've seen what happens to them. It's because of people like you who instill "an outrageous attitude of entitlement" in these children. You set them up for failure.
I agree with everything that you said.
It is not up to the US or its citizens to support illegal mothers and their anchor children. They need to go back to their own country and make things work there. Jobs, healthcare, education, social benefits, etc., belong to LEGAL US citizens--not illegal invaders.
In regard to "constantly having to life in fear of persecution and being separated from their families."-----The judge is going to say that the illegal mothers have the option to self deport with their anchor children--which puts an end to the fear of persecution and being separated from their families. Also, based on the article that I posted above--the judge did not feel that Elvira's anchor child's constitutional rights were violated.
The MAJORITY of US citizens (the last poll I saw was 67%) do not feel that illegal mothers should be able to avoid deportation because they have anchor children. I hate to rain on your parade, but they should begin to make their moving plans. Pretty soon, they won't even be able to find a place to live, get a job, or continue to qualify for the freebie jackpots.
The MAJORITY of US citizens do NOT want amnesty/citizenship for illegal invaders (including mothers with anchor children), they want the 14th Amendment revised and applied properly, and our borders closed/secured.
Tom Tancredo is running for president in 2008, specifically to address the illegal invader crisis. He is aware of the illegal mother/anchor baby crisis facing our country. Polls have indicated that he has a good chance of winning. No matter what illegal invaders have now, they will definitely not have it in 2008 (at the latest). Therefore, there is a good chance that the 14th Amendment will be revised at that time, and citizenship taken away from the anchors. However, US citizens are angry, and will not let it go on that long anyways.
Our military men and women throughout our country's existence did not sacrifice their lives in order for our country to be taken over by illegal invaders. Again, they should definitely be making their moving plans, as they will not be enjoying their time in the US much longer.
Goodbye Elvira and friends. I hope that you have a nice trip back to Mexico.
Perhaps you should go to Mexico and try to help the illegals (including mothers and anchor children) in their own country. This is not Mexico, and we are not going to let it turn into Mexico. This is the US, which belongs to LEGAL citizens of our country. So, if you feel so strongly about wanting to help, you need to go to their country, as their time in the US will soon be ending.
Debbie:
You must have missed the following post that I made earlier.
"Some countries are restricting lex soli by requiring that at least one of the child's parents be a national of the state in question at the child's birth, or a legal permanent resident of the territory of the state in question at the child's birth, or that the child be a foundling found on the territory of the state in question. The primary reason for imposing this requirement is to limit or prevent people from travelling to a country with the specific intent of gaining citizenship for a child. The 27th amendment to the constitution of the Republic of Ireland was passed by referendum in 2004 for this purpose."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
No? Didn't think so.
Are you aware of how many "anchor babies" are currently fighting by your side?
No? Didn't thinks so.
****
Eric Said: Tell that to the Border Patrol. We have not been ignoring this law, illegal immigrants get deported everyday. We just didn't catch as many as we should have. That's why new legislation is currently being written to solve the problem.
I say: Ask the BP how many times they asked for more funding from the early 90's forward - and were denied. Also, allow me to explain a BIG PART of the illegal immigration issue: Border Patrol agents are dirty - not all, but enough to make an impact. Google it. As far as our methods of controlling immigration for the past 14 years - useless, under-funded and purposely misleading.
Want examples? Okay, I'll give them to you and you decide for yourself.
Google: Social Security Suspense fund
Google: H2A temporary worker program
Google: IRS and ITIN numbers for illegal immigrants
Google: NAU and SPP and PNAC, united states government and republicans
***
And as for your mother: SHE had laws available to adjust her status. Those LAWS were taken off the books YEARS ago.
Illegal immigration was encouraged by our government. Research it, learn and deal with it. There is so much evidence, it is indisputable.
"Good someone finally needs to stand up for the rights of the children...they are CITIZENS of this county and deserve every right that they have... "
Yes, you are right. They have the right to leave with their illegal mothers. They also have the right to stay with LEGAL family or friends. However, the illegal mothers have NO rights.
well then I guess we need to get some laws changed so that the illegal mother can become legal....and problem solved!
Amy, you can also support these illegal mothers YOURSELF, when you make them legal. Instead of getting assistance for just the child/children we'll have to pay even more for the mothers. Instead of paying only for the childs education and medical, we'll have to pay for the mothers too. I don't want to pay out more for them, so you take it from your own family. I don't want to tell my daughter she won't get her new glasses until next month, and we can't take her to the dentist for 3 months because we are paying so much in taxes that we can't afford the insurance that is offered, and we don't bring in enough money to cover all those bills on top of my medical, that of course we are paying for out of pocket because some illegal crossed the border and dumped an "American" citizen for us to support. A woman who has never worked a day in this country, never paid taxes, never contributed ANYTHING in order to receive all the assistance that "illegal child" of hers will give her FREE OF CHARGE!!!
If I chose to stop working, sit at home, and try to collect welfare and medical, I would be refused. If they were to give it to me, they couldn't afford to give it to that illegal and her kid.
Jackie, all you do is continue to post the same single minded information from the same sources that you accuse others of using. Try obtaining information the old fashioned way, do some leg work, and obtain some untainted statistics. Impartial is the only way you can justify the path for defense that you have chosen, and you yourself are not impartial.
Brenda, I agree with you whole heartedly.
Of course people like Senobia are upset and trying to fight our laws--we are getting ready to take away their free rides/meal tickets. If the illegal mothers are given amnesty because of their anchors--it will only bring about the civil war/revolution that is destined for our country over these illegal invader issues.
These people and their support groups will never be able to control the anger/defiance of LEGAL US citizens, even if our country grants them amnesty. Legal US citizens will use their own methods/means of disagreeing--such as "unofficial" restrictions and opportunity limits. The ACLU cannot afford to challenge and take to court all legal US citizens who use this "unofficial" means of taking matters into their own hands.
The anger/voice of the Majority of Legal US citizens has been clearly communicated. Our government will not be able to force acceptance when the majority totally disagrees and does not want this.
No amnesty/citizenship for anyone (including the illegal mothers), revise the 14th Amendment (no more anchor babies), and secure/close our borders. The US and US citizens are not morally or financially responsible for the illegal invaders.
"well then I guess we need to get some laws changed so that the illegal mother can become legal....and problem solved!"
Yep, problem solved. Just as long as they have your address and Jackie's--and the addresses of all that think like you--so that they can take out taxes from your paychecks to support them. The MAJORITY of legal US citizens want them deported--just like every other illegal invader.
They have the right to take their children with them or leave their children with LEGAL family members or friends.
Other than that--goodbye Elvira and other illegal friends.
Actually, just using these blogs as an example of how unsupported this issue is--how many have posted their opinion in support of her views? This is similar to all blogs dealing with the issues regarding the illegal invaders. The majority of legal US citizens have made their opinions and views very clear.
More and more, cities are following the examples of Hazleton, Escondido, Riverside, etc. They also want to fine landlords who rent to illegals, fine and take away the business licenses of employers who hire illegals, and make social benefits based on proof of citizenship. Hazleton has said that just knowing that the laws have been approved--over half of the city's illegal population has already left, and the law has not even been put into effect yet. Where will they live and work, once cities throughout the country pass similar laws--as they do not want the illegals moving into their neighborhoods?
Actually, the challenges that the illegal mothers are placing on our courts (all at tax payers expense) might end up clearing up the 14th Amendment issues once and for all. This may be the kick needed to take away this opportunity for the illegal mothers to use our country and its citizens for their financial benefits. They will have no reason to sneak into our country in order to drop their anchors.
Also, consider this....No matter what happens, it will only be temporary. Tom Tancredo is running for president in 2008. He has made it clear that he will take away all benefits/rights of the illegal invaders, and will stop the invasion for good. Polls have indicated that he will win, as this is what the majority of US citizens want. Therefore, no matter what---their free ride will definitely be over in two years!!!
If they are legal and working..why would they need our support??
One of the biggest arguments of the anti-illegals is that all the ILEGALS are stealing all of OUR benefits... that all the LEGAL people can't get any benefits because the illegals are sucking them dry...so if she was legal then she wouldn't be able to get benefits...this is from the anti-illegal view point, not mine (as stated above in Anne's post) If Legal= no benefits and Illegal= ALL the benefits then why would you mind if she was legal?? If she and others were made legal they would be normal, contributing members of society...whats the problem with that?
I'm tired of all you people trying to bullshit the masses about these elusive, for illegals only benefits. Tell me where to sign up to get mine. My kids were born to a father who entered the country illegally. Where's ours?
Oh. I've already asked this question, haven't I? And GUESS WHAT. Nobody, not one damned person - could name any of the benefits, much less tell me where to sign up.
The illegal men/women who work in our country are taking the American jobs, depressing our economy and wages, and destroying our healthcare and school systems (along with their anchor children).
The illegal mothers with anchor children are a different story all together. Stats/facts from CIS (Center of Immigration Studies) and similar studies indicate that this is the largest group of people to use (and continue to use) social benefits. Their goals are not to get off the social benefits, but to live their lives while on these benefits. In other words, to live lives as if they were in Mexico while leaching off of our social benefit systems. In addition, these groups of women also go out of their way to teach their children how to live the easy life as well. The largest percentage of pregnant unwed girls (from as young as 13/14) come from this group as well--as this behavior and lifestyle is encouraged and accepted.
Therefore, I go back to my original comments--if you, Jackie, and those that think similar to you--want them here, make sure that they have your addresses so that they can tap your paychecks for tax dollars. The majority of legal US citizens have made their opinions very clear---they are not wanted here and we do not want to financially support them.
"Their goals are not to get off social benefits, but to live their lives while on these benefits" ...I don't get how you are such an expert on the goals of these idividuals... and if they are collecting any benefits with their "anchor" children..its because the children are CITIZENS and deserves these the same as you and me. If you turn your backs on these children you turn your back on CITIZENS of this country and is equal to turning your back on your own children.. you can disagree that they shouldn't be citizens but it doesn't change the fact that they are.
Also your comment about pregnant and unwed girls, that behavior and lifestyle is encouraged and excepted..just shows that you know absolutly nothing about what you are talking about....I know noone who promotes this lifestyle. Also all of the girls I knew who were pregnant in high school....were American.
You have definitely done nothing in regard to research of facts/stats. Therefore, you are not worth debating with any longer.
You, Jackie, and those that think like you have the right to your opinions and support. However, as mentioned before, just as long as they tap your paychecks for the taxes to support them. The majority of legal US citizens do not want our money used to support illegal invaders (including the illegal mothers).
US citizens are going to end up fighting to defend our rights/country on American soil. Will you and Jackie be fighting for Mexico? The illegal invaders want to take over. What will it take for you--and others like you--to wake up??? Maybe one of your family members killed by a drunken illegal invader on our highways? If they have already proven that they will not obey and respect our laws by illegally breaking into our country and using fraudulent documents/SS numbers--what makes you think that they will obey/respect any of our laws?
You, and others like you---are an embarrassment to our country, US citizens, and the thousands of men and women who have died in our military throughout our history.