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by Lauren G.
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August 25, 2006

Lieberman "Call me a Democrat!" (and a shameless, self-serving pandering douchebag) UPDATED

November 10, 2006 04:04 PM EST (Updated: November 13, 2006 11:09 AM EST)
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You just KNOW he would be singing a different tune if the Republicans had stayed in power.

 

Lieberman: Call me a Democrat

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Joe Lieberman, who won re-election as an independent, has a message for his Senate colleagues in the next Congress: Call me a Democrat.

The three-term Connecticut lawmaker defied party leaders when he launched his independent bid after losing to Democrat Ned Lamont in the August primary. During the campaign, he vowed to be an "independent-minded Democrat" if he were re-elected. In Tuesday's election, Lieberman won strong GOP support and given the closely divided Senate, Republicans are expected to court him.

So will he count as a Democrat or an independent who caucuses with the majority Democrats? In an e-mail message late Thursday, Lieberman spokesman Dan Gerstein said the senator will begin his new term as a Democrat.

With the Democratic takeover of the Senate, Lieberman is in line to become chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

In a post-election news conference, Lieberman said he was reassured by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid that he would retain his seniority when the new Senate convenes.

 

In case you were asleep in 2000, here is an excellent and concise piece on why Lieberman is the most self-serving politician in American history.

http://www.indignantonline.com/humor/lieberman

 

BREAKING NEWS: Lieberman is a FLIP-FLOPPING douchebag


Lieberman Leaves GOP Door Open

By DAVID LIGHTMAN And MARK PAZNIOKAS
Courant Staff Writers

November 13 2006

WASHINGTON -- Four days after calling his party affiliation a "closed issue," U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman said Sunday he was "not ruling it out" that he could turn Republican.

He told NBC's "Meet the Press" he will return to Washington as an "Independent Democrat" - "capital I, capital D."

But the R is lurking.

"I'm not ruling it out," he said, "but I hope I don't get to that point. And, I must say, and with all respect to the Republicans who supported me in Connecticut, nobody ever said, `We're doing this because we want you to switch over.'"

Lieberman also left open another controversial door - supporting more U.S. troops in Iraq.

"I think we have to be open to that as a way to succeed to achieve a free and independent Iraq, which would be an extraordinary accomplishment, but it's got to be tied to a new strategy," he said.

That strategy may be "tied to commitments from the Iraqi government to disarm those militias and to bring more Sunnis into a national unity government."

Lieberman is considered unlikely to switch to the Republican Party, but his comments triggered a fresh round of outrage by liberal bloggers Sunday. His comments came after insisting during his primary and fall campaigns that he would remain a Democrat.

He was asked about the prospect Wednesday at his post-election news conference.

"There is a little playfulness in me that wants me to make a joke about that, but it's too serious. The answer is no," he said. "When I give my word I stick with it, and I am definitely going to organize with the Senate Democrats."

Earlier last week, after delivering a speech that he called his "closing argument" for his re-election, he called the matter of his party affiliation a "closed issue."

"It is a totally closed issue. I know this is a great sport ... but I pride myself on keeping my word," Lieberman said. "And I have said explicitly that I will, if I am re-elected, I will organize with the Democrats."

Democrats know they have to be careful not to offend Lieberman. They will hold a fragile 51 to 49 majority in the Senate next year. A switch by Lieberman would swing the majority to the GOP, because Vice President Dick Cheney would break tie votes.

Republicans have said they have no intention of trying to get Lieberman into their caucus. Asked about the prospect Thursday, outgoing Republican Party Chairman Ken Mehlman said no high-level effort is being made.

"We take him at his word, that he's staying a Democrat," Mehlman said.

Lieberman won re-election last week by garnering about 70 percent of the Republican vote and 33 percent of Democrats, according to exit polls.

Some national observers have called him potentially the most powerful person in the Senate, because he is beholden to no party. But Lieberman also knows that if he wants to become chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, he needs to stay a loyal Democrat.

He reiterated that point Sunday.

"I'm going to caucus with the Democrats ... because it's good for my constituents in Connecticut," he said.



But he also stressed his independence, saying he was following the model of former Sen. Harry F. Byrd Jr. of Virginia. Byrd, a Democrat, became an independent in 1970 after refusing to sign a pledge to back all Democratic nominees.

Byrd won re-election as an independent in 1976, but became an ally of Republicans on most matters.

Asked on "Meet the Press" whether he would switch to the GOP, Lieberman said, "Well, that's a hypothetical, which I'm not going to deal with. I'm going to be an optimist and take some encouragement from the fact this was an election in which, in the House and Senate, Democrats came to the majority of both chambers by electing moderates mostly."

He noted that the election found "voters in Connecticut and elsewhere saying we're disappointed with the Republicans. We want to give the Democrats a chance."

At the same time, he said, "I believe that the American people are considering both major political parties to be in a kind of probation, because they're understandably angry that Washington is dominated too much by partisan political games and not enough by problem-solving and patriotism, which means put the country and your state first. "

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Comments: 137

troublemkr s. Nov 10, 2006, 4:08pm EST
there are two sides of the chamber. you sit on one side (republicans) or you sit on the other (democrats). the socialist from vermont will sit on the democrats' side. so will lieberman. and he had made things clear before the election.

lieberman will be one of those real stars when it comes to bipartisanship.
he can talk to both sides.
the democrats are lucky to have him.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 4:12pm EST
You've gotta love a Moderate like Lieberman. I'm glad he creamed Lamont - and the entire Left Wing band of nutjobs. Pure vindication!
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 4:14pm EST
Bret, honey, still a little sore that the Dems won?
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 4:18pm EST
By running for the VP and Senate in 2000 and jeapordizing the Dems chances of having the Senate, Lieberman showed he only cares about one person, Lieberman.
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Tom J Nov 10, 2006, 4:27pm EST
He's making a big mistake. He has a once in a lifetime opportunity. Read my article on it for a chuckle.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 4:29pm EST
Lauren -

Like I told R.E. numerous times, I am a Democrat............but a Conservative one. And that made me about as popular as Joe Lieberman. But both he and I have redemption and vindication with the Moderate Centrists who emerged victorious on Tuesday. I was only hoping for the once-and-for-always defeat of the Angry Left. Conservative Republicans don't seem to be the Big Bad Wolf that you, Tony S. and R.E. make them out to be. So I don't have a problem with most of them.

I think the tar-and-feathering of Lieberman was one of the most egregious embarrassments I've ever witnessed in all my years in the Democratic party. Liberman should have been the Democratic nominee and Lamont should have been the Socialist nominee - yep, he's that far Left.

We'll see now how a supposedly Center-to-Center-Right Congress can govern. I'm hopeful.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 4:40pm EST
And as I said above, Lieberman doesn't care about anyone, any party, and person, but himself. He brought the tar and feathering upon himself.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 4:48pm EST
No, you're wrong.
Lieberman cares deeply. About American and about the Democratic party. What was done to him was shameful...............and done by the Angry Left. Thankfully, they were soundly trounced at the polls on Tuesday. The Centrists, like Lieberman, won and won big.

We should just let the Leftists gurgle back down into the primordial sludge they emerged from..................or better yet, put our boot on their foreheads and help them down a little faster. LOL
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 4:49pm EST
Bret W,
re Lauren: Some times the blind just can't see.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 4:50pm EST
I think the "I hate W" poster was getting in her line of vision...........
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 4:54pm EST
my ribs are hurting
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Steve Y do I even bother Nov 10, 2006, 4:58pm EST
I completely agree Bret, Liebermans victory shows that the extreme left has not hijacked the party. The influx of moderate Dems into Congress should prove to be a good thing. The extreme of either side is never good...

It is entertaining that those on the far left 'brag' about their victory, but in turn put down one of their parties victors....
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:00pm EST
Um, yeah, call me blind. super cool and mature.

my point, and many people of all parties would agree, that Lieberman acted in a a way that I found self-serving. He jeopardized his parties' control of the Senate by running for two offices.

YOu may like Lieberman, and you may disagree with my asesment, but I fail to see how that constitutes me as blind. It does, however, make you both look like douchey, close-minded jackasses.
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:02pm EST
Rabid carniverors--a curious beast
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:03pm EST
Exactly. The Leftists are a loathing bunch. They hate Joe, but love that 'their party' won. This isn't 'their party', its the Democratic party, and Joe has been part of it longer than most of them have been alive.

If you want this to be the party of hate and anger, then head towards Venezuela or Cuba.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:03pm EST
My rant against Lieberman should nto be construed as an attack on the centrist Dems that have helped the Dems take office. I'm from PA, I know all about Casey and the other moderates that helped displace the Republican majority. My only problem is with Lieberman. He has no loyalty to his party or to his constituents and his statement that he is still a Dem strikes me as hypocrtical and as trying to ride on the coat-tails of the Democratic party.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 10, 2006, 5:04pm EST
I completely agree Bret, Liebermans victory shows that the extreme left has not hijacked the party.

Why do you think this, instead of thinking it means many Republicans were so fed up with their own party that they voted for him instead?
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:05pm EST
Exactly Sandy, exactly. Thank you.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:06pm EST
Lauren -

I think you're missing something extremely obvious here.

Joe didn't change from 2000, when he was the Democratic nominee for VP. The party changed around him. He is still the same great guy. Its just that the Leftists almost hijacked his seat. That's why it is so satisfying to see him defeat them.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:09pm EST
Sandy -

CT is a Moderate state, but a Democratic one. Party affiliation there is very strong, and Republicans do not do well there - they never have.

Republicans voted for Joe because CT Republicans are very Moderate. That's why he's always gotten a large chunk of their vote. The Angry Left is the only group that didn't vote for Joe. Thankfully, they are a small, defeated minority. Yay! LOL
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:10pm EST
And you seem to be missing the obvious point that in 2000 Lieberman hedged his bets to the detriment of his party by running for both VP and the Senate. It was a slick, self-serving political move.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 10, 2006, 5:11pm EST
Bret, do you read palms, also? Can you tell me who I voted for and why?
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:12pm EST
R.E. -

I'm sure you're pissed that a Leftist like Lamont got smoked on Tuesday - but get used to it. Extremist politics is just not what America wants. The voters validated that.

The "I hate W" crowd has been silenced. Yahoooooooo!
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:13pm EST
Sandy -

Palm reading? Why would I care?

I just care that the Left was defeated. If you count yourself in those numbers, I'm even happier. Moderates won, and that's all that matters.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:14pm EST
Aw, RE, isn't it just adorable that Bret has found SOMETHING to cheer about in the wake of the Democrats' success? Too bad even Lieberman wants to side with the winning team. Woohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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David B. Nov 10, 2006, 5:15pm EST
Man!

And, you guys won the majority?

This is going to be a fun two years! You guys are already eating your own and you haven't even been sworn in yet.
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Sandy (Site Psychic™) Knauer Nov 10, 2006, 5:15pm EST
David, isn't it refreshing to see how people who are not in lock step behave as though they have minds of their own?
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☃ Aunt Shanny Nov 10, 2006, 5:18pm EST
Lauren, always interesting to see what you will come up with next. 10!
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:18pm EST
David -

This is the sort of nonsense I've had to put up with for years in the Democratic party. Cannibalization is definitely a problem. Some in our party can't be happy with just a win - it has to be won their way. Unfortunately for those folks, Moderation is the key - and they hate that.

Those are the idiots who want impeachment, stagnation, and purges. Its stupid, really. But they go and do it anyways...........
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:19pm EST
Well if it isn't my good ol double-chinned friend the neocon. Howzit goin Davy?
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:23pm EST
OK seriously Bret, I did not have my afternoon coffee and I do not have the patience for your nonsense. For the LAST time. I am NOT opposed to moderates, esp when they help the Dems WIN.

I don't like Lieberman because he only looks out for himself. I'd be annoyed if he were green party, republican, communist, whateve, and acted the way he did. He's just like Ted Haggard, a big fat hypocrite. (see link in updated article above.)

If you can't understand articles on Gather, maybe you should log off the internet and stick with pop-up books and stay away from sharp objects. You are an embarassment to democracy and unable to understand basic Englsih. Alright, now I'm done with you.
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:24pm EST
Rabid carniverors--a curious beast ----I just had to repeat it.
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:28pm EST
Are chastisements appropriate misspellings? "Englsih"
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:29pm EST
Capt Seadweeb, dare I ask? WTF are you talking about?
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:29pm EST
Lauren -

I'm an unapologetic basher of Leftists. When I see them, they get the pinata treatment. Sorry you got in the way of my stick..............
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:34pm EST
OH yeah that's super cool Bret. Bash anyone that you believe you can categorize. Most people don't fall into such black and white categories. Yes, I have a reputation on Gather as a liberal hippies for being anti-war on pro-gay marriage, but I'm pro death penalty and even against third trimester abortions (with the exception of the woman's health of course.) I am also willing to listen to others. While I would love to see gay marriage, I learned from this past election that it probably wont happen and am willing to compromise with civli unions (see my article on that topic.)
As I said, moderate Dems are the best because they are my party's best chance of winning. And honestly, ANYONE is better than the far right neocons we have sitting in the white house.
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:35pm EST
Lauren,

Having a little problem understanding basic english?? I was quite clear with my statement.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:36pm EST
Basic English? Since when is carniverors a word?
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:38pm EST
R.E. -

Get this through your bony thick head : CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT. I know its hard for you to wrap your tiny little mind around this concept, but we do exist - and in much greater numbers than your kind. The voting proved it.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:41pm EST
R.E. -

When exactly were those decided? I thought I heard Nancy Pelosi say that none of them had been decided yet.

I've also heard that any talks of Impeachment are off the table. Maybe Nancy will prove more Moderate than her record suggests. I'll wait and see.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:45pm EST
Oh Capn Dickweed? I'm still awaiting your response!
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:45pm EST
Since the inception of of words like "civli" "englsih" "howzit" "whateve"

People in glass houses and all............. check your own posts
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:48pm EST
Lauren,
I'm waiting .............shall I pass the salt for your filet of sole??
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:49pm EST
"People in glass houses and all"

I think that refers to YOU. I NEVER claimed to be a good typist. I never took typing. I am the very first one to claim that I SUCK at it. You criticized me for it and then throw out a word like "carnivorors" (whatever the hell that is.) TWICE!

dumbass.
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 5:50pm EST
This Congress is far from Center-to-Center-Right. Most of the freshman class of 2006 (7?) was as recently as a week ago decried for being "too liberal." Now they only won for running to the center/right? Please.

Lieberman is an embarrassment and a sore loser all around - his own constituency rejected him, so he invalidated their votes and denied their voice. Then he confused everyone about his stance on the war, funnelled money into a slush fund, and rode the fact that he is an incumbent and let the Democratic party ignore the mess in CT and hope it all went away. I'll be interested in seeing how marginalized he is in the next session.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:51pm EST
"I'll be interested in seeing how marginalized he is in the next session. "

Me too Leona, me too.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:53pm EST
Lauren -

"OH yeah that's super cool Bret. Bash anyone that you believe you can categorize. Most people don't fall into such black and white categories. Yes, I have a reputation on Gather as a liberal hippies for being anti-war on pro-gay marriage, but I'm pro death penalty and even against third trimester abortions (with the exception of the woman's health of course.) I am also willing to listen to others. While I would love to see gay marriage, I learned from this past election that it probably wont happen and am willing to compromise with civli unions (see my article on that topic.)
As I said, moderate Dems are the best because they are my party's best chance of winning. And honestly, ANYONE is better than the far right neocons we have sitting in the white house."

I'm sorry to be the one who has to inform you, but you're quite Liberal, by your own admission.

I'm also sorry to be the one who has to inform you, but your wing of the party took a beating on Tuesday.

However, you'll be happy to know that me and my Center took most of the races held Tuesday. You're right, WE are the best hope for the party. I was just worried that there were more of you than there were of me. Your screaming and ranting just made it seem like there was a lot of you. However, we actually come out to vote, and you don't.
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:53pm EST
Ahh Lauren you give creedence to the adage that " a mind is a terrible thing to waste" Adieu
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:55pm EST
"I'm sorry to be the one who has to inform you, but you're quite Liberal, by your own admission."

um.... yeah... i hope the weather is nice up there on your planet.
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troublemkr s. Nov 10, 2006, 5:56pm EST
i'm reading the comments. i was the only one that rated this article out of 43? you guys need to get with the rating program.

it seems to me that democrats are having trouble with diversity and tolerance. your party isn't unified on many positions and that's just right as far as i'm concerned. lieberman agrees with the philosophy of the democrats. as far as i'm concerned, you are entitled to not like him but i don't see what your opinion is based on. he's less partisan and that's what connecticut liked about him.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:56pm EST
it's spelled CARNIVORES!!!!!!!!!! with an E
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 5:57pm EST
Lauren,

I guess it would be rude to leave you in ingnorance --a carnivore is a flesh eating animal

TTFN
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 5:59pm EST
Leona K. -

Here's what I said :

"We'll see now how a supposedly Center-to-Center-Right Congress can govern. I'm hopeful."

There were already a few on the Right, and a few on the Left, but many more who were Moderate or moderate-to-slightly right - in Congress. Bringing in more Moderates only insulates us against the Left Wing Lunatic Fringe. And how can that be bad? LOL
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 5:59pm EST
"you are entitled to not like him but i don't see what your opinion is based on. "
sigh... please see link in the posted article. i don't like lieberman because he screwed over his party in 2000. Even if he were a republican and screwed over his party, i still wouldn't like him. it's hypocritical and dishonorable.

as usual, a post about a self-serving politican (somethign we should all be able to agree on) got turned into a rant between liberals and conservatives. it's like ANYTHING you say people will jump down your throat. sheesh.
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 6:00pm EST
and please don't tell me you missed my typo humor
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 6:00pm EST
"ingnorance"
misspelled that one too Capn Braintrust.
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 6:00pm EST
"However, you'll be happy to know that me and my Center took most of the races held Tuesday."

In what universe was this?

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Bernie Sanders, VT: So conservative that he's a "socialist". His National Journal "liberal" rating is 89.7 (out of 100).

Sherrod Brown, OH: NJ liberal rating is 84.2. For comparison's sake, Harold Ford -- a real conservative Democrat -- had a 58.3 rating.

Sheldon Whitehouse, RI: An unabashed liberal in every definition of the word. ...[H]e defeated a liberal Republican.

Claire McCaskill, MO: She's a progressive on every major issue. In fact, it was one of the GOP's lines of attacks against her.

"McCaskill lost 90 out of 97 counties statewide and has a problem of being perceived as too liberal outside of metro St. Louis and Kansas City."

Amy Klobuchar, MN: There's nothing "conservative" about our newest senator from one of the bluest states in the union.

Jon Tester, MT: One of the people accused of being a "conservative" Dem, yet he's against flag burning amendment, against an amendment banning gay marriage, against the Patriot Act, and against the war. He's an economic populist, social libertarian, pro-choice Democrat. He may be one of the very few senators who actually lives paycheck to paycheck. He's an organic farmer.

He's not Bernie Sanders or Sherrod Brown, but a "conservative" Dem? Ridiculous.

Jim Webb, VA: Politically very similar to Tester. He's libertarian on social issues, an economic populist. He wants out of Iraq and he has a personal stake in the war -- his son is actually deployed to Iraq. Sure, he served in the Reagan Administration, and sure, he can be classified as a "moderate" (whatever that means), but he's no "conservative."


And that's just the Senate. The House Democrats are listed if you follow the link.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 6:01pm EST
adieu? ttfn? would you please just go away grammar police so the cool kids can get back to discussing politics?
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:02pm EST
Troublemkr -

One of our party's biggest problems is coming together on the issues.

Next is being able to agree on anything.

For some reason, people in our party seem to think that the Nutty Left has something worthwhile to offer. Unfortunately, this belief has never been proven. Yet we still listen to their nonsense when they form a coherent sentence. This, more than anything else will be our eternal downfall.
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Capt Seaweed Nov 10, 2006, 6:04pm EST
Lauren,
Concession is a beautiful thing-- even when it is unaccompanied by an apology.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:04pm EST
Leona -

Your source is the Daily Kos?
You've been outed!

Bad choice.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 6:06pm EST
right right, why don't you go hang out with your rabid carnivoros
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 6:07pm EST
Bret - I may not scream, and I do try not to insult the person when disagreeing with their position (otherwise, that's just rude), but I'd probably be part of that "lunatic Left" you're railing against. On a political compass, I'm more liberal than Ghandi.

The lefties you rail against are the ones who delivered long-shot candidates who you'll be adressing Congressman/Congresswoman come January. Don't diss the people who get the message out and the money, time, and effort in.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:08pm EST
R.E. -

"Bret,

I regret to inform you that you are in the wrong party. You are just like the Log Cabin Republicans in the Republican party or African Americans in the Republican party!!!!! - most of the Republican party and people who vote Republican HATE GAYS.

If you voted for Dole in 1996 and Bush in 2000 and 2004 YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT..."

Thankfully, we're a Big Tent party.
I am not 'your type' of Democrat, R.E. I know all that "making sense and being logical" stuff is a bunch of hooey to you, but for the rest of the world, it matters. I just don't want you and Tony S. trying to do something like hijack the party and think you can get away with it.

NED IS DEAD, LONG LIVE JOE!
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 6:09pm EST
who cares what her course is. it doesn't change the facts.

" I may not scream, and I do try not to insult the person when disagreeing with their position (" Leona, you're a better person than I am.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:11pm EST
Lauren -

I never quote Left Wing rags or zine-rags like Truthout.com or the Daily Kos.............unless I'm ridiculing them. They have no credibility and everyone knows it - even John Conyers.

Your source is everything, Lauren.
How else would anyone know if you're lying................or worse, trying to slyly spin things to make them seem legitimate. And we all know the Daily Kos is far from legitimate.

Next time try quoting CBS News.............LOL
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:12pm EST
R.E. -

When exactly were those decided? I thought I heard Nancy Pelosi say that none of them had been decided yet.

I've also heard that any talks of Impeachment are off the table. Maybe Nancy will prove more Moderate than her record suggests. I'll wait and see.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 6:13pm EST
BUt the Daily Kos was quoting OTHER organizations like newspapers and the National Journal ratings.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:16pm EST
Leona -

If what you say is true, then why would each of those Senate candidates have sold themselves as Moderates to their voting constituencies? Not one said "I'm a Lefty" then played on it later.
Only Lamont said anything remotely near that - and we all saw what happened to him.

Like I've said a million times : the votes are in the Middle.
Do you Lefties not understand that? Or do you just not like it?
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 6:20pm EST
Bret -

They are Moderate. They're not Conservative.

The votes are in the middle, true. It's what the definition of "middle" is that's up for debate. I'd say someone like Jim Webb or Jon Tester is in the middle.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:20pm EST
"BUt the Daily Kos was quoting OTHER organizations like newspapers and the National Journal ratings."

Then forget the Daily Kos and go right to the much more reputable source and use IT instead. The Daily Kos is propaganda. No one worth his salt takes the Daily Kos seriously. That would be like mistaking John Stewart for a real newsman. Its for entertainment purposes only.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:24pm EST
Leona -

"They are Moderate. They're not Conservative.

The votes are in the middle, true. It's what the definition of "middle" is that's up for debate. I'd say someone like Jim Webb or Jon Tester is in the middle."

Now you're talking.

I'd call Heath Schuler a Conservative...........and he also won. Tester is from Montana - a state with no tolerance for Liberalism, so he'll have to be a Moderate just to stay in Congress. I think a lot of folks will be watching him closely because Montana is very Conservative.
Webb is Moderate too..........and on some issues a bit Conservative. That's why he tried to get the "Reagan Conservative" base behind him in VA. He failed, but at least his attempt had some merit.
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Clarke M. Nov 10, 2006, 6:25pm EST
When you constantly criticize the war, even after it's over, even after the world is so much safer with Saddam Hussein gone and the people of Iraq have a chance for a better life, you send a message of softness on defense," he said.
Fox News, July 2003
Lieberman Calls Dem Opponents Soft Spendthrifts

August 02, 2006

Senator Joseph I. Lieberman said on Tuesday that he remained confident that the United States could begin withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as the end of this year . . .

August ,2006
Lieberman said that he fired his campaign manager and spokesman, and asked for the resignations of his campaign staff.
"We did not answer, adequately answer, the distortions of my record on Iraq and my relationship with George Bush, that the Lamont campaign put out," said Lieberman, though he said he did not blame campaign workers.

Holy Joe has made it clear he didn't kiss Bush back.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:29pm EST
"Don't wet your pants, Bret: it has been decided - IT'S CALLED SENIORITY.

Also John Murtha - strongly anti-war - will run for Majority Leader, at least that is what he promised before the election."

We can only hope that cooler heads will prevail and Steny Hoyer will defeat Murtha, although that's not that appetizing either.
The best we can hope for is non-obstructionism. We only have about a year to make an impact. After that we go into the Presidential election cycle. If we haven't delivered, this slim majority will disappear quickly. To win back 28 seats in the Presidential cycle is easy.

It will be all about performance - and we haven't been in power in 12 years.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:33pm EST
Clarke -

"When you constantly criticize the war, even after it's over, even after the world is so much safer with Saddam Hussein gone and the people of Iraq have a chance for a better life, you send a message of softness on defense," he said.
Fox News, July 2003
Lieberman Calls Dem Opponents Soft Spendthrifts"

So who's arguing THAT? Lieberman was dead-on with his assessment then.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 6:42pm EST
Time... THANKS!... I think....

I seriously think I might move to Canda.
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Bret W. Nov 10, 2006, 6:48pm EST
They'd love you in Canada, Lauren.

Bush haters are Gods there.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 6:55pm EST
Nuts. Looks like I'll have to stay here and fight the good fight.
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Mark Jepsen Nov 10, 2006, 7:00pm EST
With balanced, insightful commentary like that from Bret, it's difficult to understand why the Democratic party is having trouble "coming together on the issues" and "agreeing on anything." Apparently, slapping a label such as "left-wing nutjob" or "Nutty Left" on anyone who one doesn't see eye-to-eye with is a study in reasoned consensus building. Clearly, anyone who doesn't agree with Bret has problem (no doubt caused by rampant inbreeding) and should simply be ashamed of themselves for who they are. Imagine where the rest of us would be without his "model of moderation" attitude.
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Mark Jepsen Nov 10, 2006, 7:07pm EST
Capt Seaweed, I'm not sure what your self-satisfied masturbatory comments were really about, but I hope it was good for you.... seemed a bit irrelevant to some of us, I have to say.
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Greg Schiller Nov 10, 2006, 7:08pm EST
(I just chuckle)...

A pragmatic progressive friend of mine predicted a month ago that the Democrats would sweep both houses and state offices. He also predicted that they would begin to self-destruct before they took office in January.

I was once a Democrat....then people like Lauren took ahold of the party. I wrote an article about how this phenomena played out in The Minnesota Massacre see The Day The Democratic Party Came Undone.

History does repeat itself.
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 7:09pm EST
Bret - why do you think that "You lefties" is a good generalization to make in an argument?

Likewise, generalizing about the make-up of a state isn't going to get you any points. Northern Virginia is an incredibly progressive tech center, and as the cost of living on the coasts increases, more people are moving to places like Indiana, Kansas, and Montana, where Democrats made large gains. Howard Dean's 50 State strategy also paid off because instead of assuming, as most people did, that the center of the country was red and worthless to campaign in, he actually asked people for their vote there. The Democrats didn't win everywhere, but they made important gains in showing that the map's a lot more purple than most people thought.

Republicans, on the other hand, have been largely marginalized to the South.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 7:12pm EST
Mark J- I like you

Crazy Celebrity. Totally agree. Better yet, who doesn't he just form his own part? Lieberman for Lieberman.

Greg, frankly I'm flattered that you could credit me with the undoing of the democratic party, although most historians agree that the party's undoing can be traced to civil rights, when the South was lost for good. Guess that's what happens when you actually fight for morality instead of paying it lip service.

Greg, please go away. I don't want the IQ average of my thread commentators to plummet to about -30.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 7:18pm EST
Dare I even ask

Bret, if you have a problem with the so-called "lefty nutjobs, why do you even yourself a democrat?

Are you from the midwest? That seems to be where the fiscal democrats but social conservatives are.
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Lauren G. Nov 10, 2006, 7:20pm EST
From IL!!!

And Greg Pulled-this-fact-right-out-of-my-ass Schiller is from MN.

Funny how much we are products of our environment.

Guess it explains why, after living in 2 swing states, and 2 red, I ended up in Brooklyn!
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Rosa See Ya Nov 10, 2006, 7:36pm EST
Sounds to me like there may be another party split up in the making, after reading the LA TIMES today, and now reading this. You Democrats better get you stuff together. Impeach or not to impeach, few hearings or lots of hearings. I voted for it before I voted against. More of the same wishy-washy politics. Joe's a Democrat or is he? LMAO
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David B. Nov 10, 2006, 8:08pm EST
** passing around the salt, pepper and ketsup for the Liberal Democrat cannablisitic smorgasbord taking place here. Anyone need a napkin? **

This is getting better everytime I stop back in. There won't be any of you left by Janurary.

BTW Lauren;
Between the "neo-con" comments and your incessant harping on a moderate Democrat Senator who happens to be Jewish, you're not helping quell that anti-semitic reputation you've developed for yourself.

Have fun kids. I'll stop back later to check in on the carnage.
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 8:27pm EST
David - Criticizing Lieberman for his actions has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. I criticize him for his actions, and I'm Jewish. Please don't try and tell me that I hate myself because I disagree with Lieberman and his actions.
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David B. Nov 10, 2006, 8:36pm EST
Leona;

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Lauren - the anti-semite.
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 8:39pm EST
David - Do you have any proof other than your word that she is an anti-Semite? Or do you consider your say-so enough to slander someone?
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David B. Nov 10, 2006, 9:33pm EST
I'm simply going by Lauren own statements, Leona. Words from her own mouth ... well, fingers actually. I live by the old adage - paraphrased; "If it types like a duck and reads like a duck ... it's a duck". In Lauren's case substitute duck for anti-semite.

This is the second article I've had experience with Laren and in both she's been vitriolically attacking Jews -- as a group before and an individual now. How else am I to take it?
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Leona K. Nov 10, 2006, 9:39pm EST
David - Which articles would those be? I did ask for an example.

Here she states that Lieberman betrayed his own party. Which he did. And the actions of one individual do not, and should not, weigh on the people of the faith as a whole unless he presumes to speak for all of the people of that faith and they agree to it (like, say the Pope).
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David B. Nov 10, 2006, 10:03pm EST
Well, with all due respect, Leona;

This issue is really between Lauren and me. I've explained to you the reasoning for my comments and that's really all I care to do, considering my comments were directed to and intended for Lauren. It would be inappropriate for me to go into this any further with you; as, again, my admonition was to Lauren. She is well aware of the specifics of my comments and the reasons behind them.
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Steve Y do I even bother Nov 10, 2006, 10:21pm EST
"Why do you think this, instead of thinking it means many Republicans were so fed up with their own party that they voted for him instead? "

Sandy, it wasn't just the republican vote that put Lieberman through; it was the moderate democrats, independents, the majority of Americans who choose not to subscribe to the extreme to either side. Rejecting the far left liberals and extreme right conservatives, that is made Liebermans win so important.

Yes, many of the Republicans were fired, but liberal Democrats did not take their place. Rather, moderates such as Casey, Webb, Tester and a host of other (specially selected per the DNC) were voted in. My point is, that main stream America did fire Republicans in protest of scandals, some for the war, and some because they were tired of where we were going in general. But if you do not open your eyes and see who they put in office, then I am afraid the far left of the Democratic party is missing the message.

I believe the number is about 40%, of Americans who consider themselves to be in the middle of the political spectrum. If you, like Bush did in 2004, take this as a mandate rather than to see that the majority in this country want bipartisanship to move us forward, then in 2008 you will pay the same price Republicans paid this year for their ignorance...
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Nanci B Nov 10, 2006, 10:42pm EST
This is priceless. A democrat or not a democrat, that is the question...
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Lauren G. Nov 11, 2006, 12:26am EST
LEONA!!

Thanks for your concern. I welcome the opportunity to defend myself. When David first charged me with anti-semitism on another friend, I was STUNNED and APPALLED and demanded an explanation. Apparently, one obscure meaning ofthe term neo-con may be anti-semitic. There are lots fo words we use today that once meant something very different. The word "neo-con" has been used in thhe NYTimes (a newspapers RENOWN for its Jewish ties) The Economist, NPR, and in this month's issue of Vanity Fair. Everyone knows that today it's a term used for ultra-conservatives.

To be sure, you can read our exchange over the thread here http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976828693

YOu can also read on the same thread where another Gather member present a much more valid charge of anti-semitish against DAVID:

Tony rang in on the "Kill a Jew, Go to Heaven" thread, which was a collection of quotations from Muslim and Arab leaders encouraging and advocating the mass murder and even the extermination of Jews. Tony contemptuously remarked that thinking that Jews were hated for no reason at all was ridiculous (I am paraphrasing, but his complete comment is still available in several places), and that there was "PLENTY of cause for this sort of thing." His clear implication was that there were a number of good reasons to hate Jews.
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