I'm more than a little bit irritated to hear about all these free things that illegal immigrants are getting. I have heared claims of the US government giving them homes, free medical care, loans, food stamps, free college educations, and that's just to name a few of the benefits.
If this is true, then I want to know where I go to sign up for all of these courtesies. See, I was under the old school impression that you don't get jack unless you work for it. So my husband has been busting his ass from daylight to dark for the past 10 years to provide for me and our three US born children when, to hear everyone else tell it, he didn't have to be.
I want everything the rest of the illegal immigrants are getting. If these rumors of allotment of benefits is true, the US owes us 10 years of blood, sweat, tears, and monetary compensation.
I want 10 years of compensation for groceries because we didn't get food stamps. I want medical bills paid off and reimbursed because my US born children of an illegal immigrant were entitled to free healthcare. I want 10 years of tax refunds refunded to us in full, without the witholdings taken out. I want reimbursement for the cost of the house that we paid off.
I want it all.
Where do I go to get it?
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We're entitled.
Hey, Senobia: I've been gone a few days.
I'll email you about it......
Take care and congratulations on having your home paid off while you are so young! Your hubby must be an excellent provider.
Keep writing, honey.
JB
This country was founded on immigration, legal immigration. I have the deepest respect for those who follow our rules in coming to this country and work/pay thier fair share of the taxes to support thier family.
I have no respect for those that ooze across the border illegaly. As far as I am concerned we should fence off Mexico (while promoting legal immigration/tourism), and use the national guard to man the border.
I would rather pay 900.00 per mile once for a fence than pay 50.00/yr for the rest of my life to illegal immigrants and thier Benedict Arnold families.
This is a perfect opportunity to be an adult. Guys, the situation isn't going to resolved overnight. Making enemies and insulting those with different beliefs doesn't exactly breed tolerance, either.
Racism, intolerance, separatism....do any of those apply to you - in your opinion?
Try laughing with Senobia - try acting decently - we can disagree and still act like human beings.
You don't care if someone is a criminal....you'll help them. You even break the rules of the program you work for to help them, and your posts bear that out. People like Snobia care about one thing....getting thier RELATIVES who are ILLEGAL into a LEGAL STATUS. You have YOUR AGENDA, I have mine.
Porgie......does Bess agree with your views?
As for marrying an illegal...love is love regardless of geography. Paid off your house and own a whore costume? Good God.....you must be loaded.
You know, it is true about the healthcare thing. Do you have a law degree? Do you practice immigration law? Besides your personal experience, do you know anything about the masses of people who are taking away from our country and its legalized citizens? Do you have hard facts?
Porgie.......valium is an inexpensive presrciption. I take it every time I start to think we are being invaded by aliens. Illegal alines...and the green ones from Navu-my native land.
By the way, I came here on a magic carpet but did not stop at the check-in desk. Will I be fined?
Hmmm....maybe the best way to handle the situation is to fine the illegals since there are 20 million of them. Since we knoe they are here but they got here illegally and are supposed to be deported.... let's not spend money to deport that costs too much. Let's just fine them all $2K. Then we can take the money and give it to the mexican government and let them buy more crack.
I guess we were all illegal at one point-in that we invaded this land which was owned by Natives. But they all came from polar ice caps. That begs the question-where did we all come from? Maybe I should go back in Holland or Portugal.
Bush brought it up because he wanted to secure the border. In a way, the 9/11 actually is helping us in the long run.
Can anyone give(post) here facts about how, how much and where the Illigals are robbing us?
Why didn't somebody tell me?
Yay!
On top of the medical and food there is also Section 8 Housing Assistance. Section 8 Housing Assistance is Financial Support for Low to Non Income Familys typically offering 80% to 90% of their monthly rent. These homes are being rented for $800 to $900 a month and typically the owners/rentees don't make the rentors pay the remaining 20% to 10%, it all comes from the government and they get their welfare and loan star cards and housing all paid for.
The finaly thing that hurts us is the money the make. Having a job is not bad, but when a large portion of the working class sends their money out of country this hurts our economy. Instead of the worker being an American and helping his country by paying taxes, social security and other fees, he is an II and as such pays no taxes and sends almost all of his check back home to Mexico. This is noble in practice, but venders, retailers and the economy in general is a viscious cycle. Those retailers depend on the working class to spend money at their stores, thus creating more demand for either A.) Construction B.) Food/Produce C.) Clothing and Items caried by stores or D.) vehicles and other miscellanious items (all items not represented) by creating the demand then they create more jobs to supply the demand, however with all their money going back to Mexico, and none staying in the community they are hindering the economy by not supplying it, which in the long run gives ever american more jobs and more chances. It is, as I said a viscious circle.
A note: None of my comments are ment to be racist or derogitory in any way, they are however here just to inform to the best of my ability.
The truth of the matter is, while there are alot of well deserving people out there,
there are also plenty of people, who are completely capable of working
(US citizens) who "milk" the system, everyday. If we are going to look at the cause
of the strain on these services, lets look at the whole picture.
"illegal people", I don't know one that is on welfare, gets food stamps, or free education.
They work hard, pay thier rent, bills ect....
I have known these people for more than six years....I know my, now husband, since 2000, we dated for 2 years and then married in 2005. These people are some of my closest friends.
Don't comment on things you no nothing about....i.e. my personal relationships.
sense.of.entitlement.its.repugnant!BTW,you're.so.cute.to.mock.my.fucked.
up.computer.in.your.article.that.I.can't.even.access...What,you,lack.the
ovum.to.publish.it?....Do.you.and.your.awe-inspiring,hard-working,ILLEGAL
husband.who.adds.to.the.dire.situation.of.over-population.want.to.buy
me.a.new.one???
Because that's the word you used "met" not "known" you said "met" see quote below.
"Also, through my husband I have met ouite a few of these, so called,
"illegal people", I don't know one that is on welfare, gets food stamps, or free education."
If you don't want me to comment on things you say, then don't say them. This is a free country and I will comment where I see fit to comment. If you didn't mean that you had "met" them, then don't say that you "met" them. If you had said "some of these "illegals" are some of our closest friends and have been for 6 years" it would have had a whole different meaning than what you actually said! Say what you mean, don't change it later when it doesn't work out the way you intended and someone catches on to it!
I "met" someone yesterday, or "met" them 15 years ago. It still proper use of the word. Get over it. It is beside to point. When you can't think of anything intelligent to say, you pick on peoples grammer or spelling. It must be nice to be perfect. LOL
All that aside, I would take any one of these "illegal" friends over a small minded
person such as yourself.
Porgie,
I don't think Senobia ever denied being married to an"illegal" or having "illegal" friends.
I am married to an "Illegal".....
It sounds funny just to say it...."illegal"....what a ridiculous way to characterize a person who comes from a different part of the world.
I am married to good, loving, caring, respectful, hard-working man.....
There thats better!
And when you can't think of anything intelligent to say you insult me, glad I could be of assistance to you Liz!
I wasn't picking on your spelling or grammar, I'm no english major myself. And, I never made any such ridiculous claim that I was perfect in any respect. You made it sound like you only casually "met" some "so called Illegal Immigrant" I wasn't picking on anything, I was "picking up on" what it sounded like you meant, from the way you chose to word it.
If I was going to refer to a good friend of mine that I'd had for many years I wouldn't have said I had 'met" a "so called Illegal" What do you mean 'so called" are they or aren't they? You should know if you're such close friends.
Don't worry Liz, I'd never be desperate enough to want someone like you as a friend so its no skin off my teeth! BTW you have no right making any comments about the size of my mind, you don't have a clue. You are awfully quick to make judgements about people that you have never even met, who's got the small mind here, sure looks more like you do!
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976798218
Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage, consumers don't want expensive produce, Government will tell you that Americans don't want the jobs but the bottom line is cheap labor. "The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie.
There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
Take, for example, an illegal Mexican who sneaks in here with his wife and five children.
He takes a job for five or six dollars an hour.
At that wage with six dependents he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year if he files income tax he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for medicare.
All of this is at that taxpayers expense.
He doesn't have to worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
He cannot be fired, harassed, or sued.
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20 to $30 an hour in benefits.
Working Americans are lucky to have $5 or $6 an hour left after paying their bills and his. They also pay for increased crime, graffiti, and trash cleanup. Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!"
Carole you are nuttier than a gatdamned pecan tree if you believe all the stuff you're spewing.
Before I engage you in a litany of bullshit that you made up, you can either:
1. Provide proof of each and every claim that you made here (because I am equipped with proof to the contrary)
2. Kindly STFU.
Your misinformation, lies, and blatant ignorance are not welcome and won't be tolerated in an educated debate - especially one that my name is on.
You wrote a blog with the intent to get comments, you got them. If you don't want to hear the truth, then don't blog. You are soooo very sure that this is misinformation, lies and blatent ignorance. If you don't like your name on it, then take your name off.
Let's see your proof to the contrary. I'll come back and check. I can't wait to see this.
I'm TIRED of us - me, my husband that came here illegally, my 3 US born children of an illegal immigrant - having to pay our own gatdamned way. SHOW ME the links to where I can sign up for all this free stuff that we're entitled to. Don't tell me it's out there. I can't find it. SHOW ME where to sign up.
Asking you to prove your position is not "hateful". It's good debating. SHOW ME WHERE TO GO.
where.to.go..Mexico!Out.of.this.country.that.doesn't.have.room.for.moochers.like
yourself.As.to.your.reference.to.'Porkie'...I've.noticed.the.groups.you.belong.to
revolve.around.fat...Issues?
Tell you where to go to get these benefits???? Creepers, don't ask me, ask the illegals who are getting it, there should be plenty to choose from, they're all over the place.
I know lots and lots of illegal immigrants, but none of them are getting or have ever gotten anything you claimed they're entitled to. Where did you get your information, Carole? I would really like to pass it on so that they can sign up.
but.you.obviously.NEED.MEDICATION.desperately.and.although.I.'abuse'
SSI.and.and.can't.afford.another.computer,I'd.personally.pay.for.you
and.your.criminal.hubby.to.spend.a.permenant.vacation.in.Tijuana.so.you
could.fuck.some.donkeys.for.a.living....Hey,there's.a.lot.of.chubby.chasers
there.
I *think* you're getting pissy that you've been asked for proof that you cannot provide - which is nothing new, I'm rather used to it by now and have come to expect it. You can bow out (un)gracefully now if you wish, Sherry - but if you continue to post, I'm going to continue to demand proof of where these services are being provided. Fair warning.
Honestly? I'd far rather an entire tribe of illegals move in next door and I'd rather that my taxes go to help them, since THEY at least WANT to work.
Are you going to go the, "So their CHILDREN are eligible for foodstamps" route?
So is every other US citizen in this country. If you're going to argue that side of the issue, be prepared to argue the welfare system as a whole.
Do you not read the newspaper or watch the news? There are always articles in the media on such things as proposition 200 in arizonia that takes away some social programs for illegals, (If they weren't getting it why would it be taken away) hospitals that are being shut down in border towns because of illegal immigrants not paying for thier own medical care. If we don't pay the hospitals will relentlessly pursue us. I am sure you know illegal women that have U.S. Born children that paid nothing (Emergency Medicaid). Illegal immigrant children that are going to public schools. There are a number of towns (pennsyvania, florida etc.) that are proposing cutting off of benefit to those not here legally. A number of state are debating whether to cut off in state tution to those here illegally. Although probably not seen as a benefit there are a large population of the illegals in our prisons, who pays for that? You can not act like you don't know that some illegals in this country are tapping in on programs designed for Legal Citizens. You are a citizen and so is your family, you pay taxes, you can't qualify for benefits because your husband is a good provider. So why are you ok with some that are here illegally getting your share? Why if these people are so hard working are they not like you and your husband and are self reliant, paying income taxes? Some tap into our social programs because they know they can, other also do because they send back a large amount of money back to mexico, so are we responsible for keeping mexico afloat? The people we are talking about aren't just low wage earners, they are welders, electricians, carpenters, business owners, etc and make very good money.
My husband *was* one of those people - the very same people who, the majority of America and lots on Gather, see as basically less than crap on the bottom of their shoes. Not human. Criminal. Good for nothing. A leech. A drain on everything around them. Needing to be shot on sight when they're crossing and rounded up like cattle and herded back. I've heard it all, girl. The worst thing people could have said about the illegal immigrants was too good.
We spent time together while he was still an illegal immigrant. He was still one when I married him. We didn't get anything - do you hear me, not jack. In fact, we were told that if he ever had any intention of EVER getting his residency, I should not even apply for assistance because it would be sorely counted against us in the application process.
Choosing to "do it the right way" wasn't as easy as my husband just wanting it. If it hadn't been for me, he never would have gotten his residency. I can't marry every one of them so that they can get their green cards so what do you think happens to the rest of them who have no one to petition for them? The only difference between a rich man and a pauper is opportunity. That's it. You're not born with it. You don't have luck. You don't wish it into happening. Anything that you get in life was because you were afforded the opportunity. All of them don't have that.
I don't know any illegal immigrant that doesn't pay his own way. Having something provided for you is a foreign concept to them - and me. It just doesn't happen around here. Ever. You get what you work for - and only what you work for. So if some other state besides Texas has some illegal immigrant provisions in place, we in Texas aren't aware of them.
But aside from the legality of it all, what kind of person would begrudge a human being - of any color, background, or INS status - medical care when they're sick...an education that's free for everybody else...food programs for hungry kids...an opportunity that everybody else has...so on and so forth. I just fail to see the reasoning behind a mindset like that. If ever there was a time to be ashamed of your government, that would be the time.
Isn't it ironic how even stray dogs get more sympathy and laws protecting them than a human being lacking a certain kind of card that makes him "acceptable" could ever dream of?
I think the problem that most have are that alot that are here illegally are being allowed to qualify for these benefits because they have no "traceable income". Many work under the table (especially in the construction field). I am very familiar with this because I work in the construction field. I am acquainted with other construction companies that pay there employees in cash. Not only is the employee getting untaxed wages but the employer makes out like a bandit, (when you employ any social security taxes or medicaid taxes taken out of the of the employees checks must be matched by the employer every quarter). So these employers are getting away with not matching these taxes. I hire workers who are here legally, I have them fill out 1-9's and call in numbers to the social security administration to make sure they match, I do this because it is required by law. My competitors pay under the table and can offer a much lower bid on jobs. I lose many jobs to my competitors, it is the penalty for doing my job right. May i add that i do have many hispanics & blacks that i employ so it is not a racial thing. We have had many struggles while my competitors reap the benefits of illegal labor. MAy i also add that this situation is not right for the illegal, they are offered no benefits from these employers and there are so many illegals they are viewed as a dime a dozen type labor. So many of these illegals with no traceable income do qualify for low income programs, their wifes are afforded emergency medicaid to have their babies. The babies do qualify for wic and foodstamps, I have never qualified for medicaid or foodstamps because I have a social security number and traceable income. You say every baby is eligible for foodstamps, but most do not qualify. I do not see where the illegals have less sympathy than "stray dogs". I have worked also at a trailer companies where many illegals were working as welders, and I thought it would be good to implement some type of health insurance program for the workers, not one illegal would sign up because they used the county clinics and county hospital emergency room for any medical care. Then again they qualify because of untracable income. You may not see it, but if you look and call your local emergengy room or county clinics and ask. I see no sympathy for people like myself that are being negatively impacted by the illegal worker. I also live in Texas outside of Houston, and this is how it impacts my life. It causes much resentment when illegals are afforded benefits not consistent with those of U.S. citizens. How will you feel when your children are ready for college and an illegal that lives next door is offered in-state tution to an out of state college and your child is not? Why is your now legal tax paying husband afforded less benefits then those here illegally that are working for this untraceable wage.
Why would they be unable to have a bon a fide business? Illegals are able to get checking accounts, home loans, this is an engineering group of people. Unfortnately, they don't have the ability to get to get an EIN number, so no taxes to be paid, just cash please. And so it goes
May I quote some or all of your blog??? it's a good one.
When the tables are turned, the stories will be much different you can be assured.
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What is an ITIN?
An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.
IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.
Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception.
What is an ITIN used for?
ITINs are for federal tax reporting only, and are not intended to serve any other purpose. An ITIN does not authorize work in the U.S. or provide eligibility for Social Security benefits or the Earned Income Tax Credit. ITINs are not valid identification outside the tax system.
IRS issues ITINs to help individuals comply with the U.S. tax laws, and to provide a means to efficiently process and account for tax returns and payments for those not eligible for Social Security Numbers.
Who needs an ITIN?
IRS issues ITINs to foreign nationals and others who have federal tax reporting or filing requirements and do not qualify for SSNs. A non-resident alien individual not eligible for an SSN, who is required to file a U.S. tax return only to claim a refund of tax under the provisions of a U.S. tax treaty, needs an ITIN.
Examples of individuals who need ITINs include:
Non-resident alien filing a U.S. tax return and not eligible for an SSN
U.S. resident alien (based on days present in the United States) filing a U.S. tax return and not eligible for an SSN
Dependent or spouse of a U.S. citizen/resident alien
Dependent or spouse of a non-resident alien visa holder
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So, yeah - for tax purposes, they *are* able to report their earnings. As for not paying taxes out of their checks, no independant contractors do - until year's end. That's what we do. Nothing is withheld from the checks - it's a lump sum at tax time.
You keep saying they don't want to sign up for some company health thing. Why don't they want to? You assume it's to stiff somebody. Have you ever considered it might be because they're scared to? That they don't want to draw attention to themselves? That they don't understand what it is? That they have no clue what it's for? Do you have translators interpreting this stuff to them or do you shove a paper and pen at them and say "sign here"?
Carole, where are the places to sign up for benefits? You still haven't told us that yet.
I agree with what your saying...you have the right to marry whoever you want..
I also get tired of hearing about all the "facts" from people who have No idea what they are talking about...people who have never known an illegal but have only known of them from the news..
people also do not realize the time and cost it takes to become a resident and eventually a citizen...
..And like you every "illegal" I know works very hard and is not on assistance..but I know plenty of able-bodied Americans who sit on the couch everyday cashin in on that goverment check..
..Also I don't know any "illegals" who are proud of the fact that they are illegal... Given the choice of being illegal and living in fear of deportation and sepration from their families..and being legal..what do you think they will chose?? Many are not eligible at this time to become legal...and sadly many were not eligible when they entered the county..why do you think so many come illegally??? Many times to get something you have to already have something..and sadly many illegals only crime was poverty
Mike..they don't hate. They just want to share, too. They want to do their part and be a part.
Really, Arthur? Because Dubya needs to be gone like...yesterday. Do we go to DC and overthrow him? Is it that easy? Will you lead us and show us how? *yawn*
I heard a DJ from Houston comment today, on an elementary school there that was having the kids pledge allegiance to the "Mexican" flag. Apparently they were all given little Mexican flags during this pledge. Do you know anything about this?
I am married to an immigrant and some are many people that I know... I can't belive you would make comments de-humanizing our children in such a way