There is a growing problem on Gather. It is a very complex problem, and requires a very serious response if it is to be prevented from turning Gather into a carnival of the mundane. There's nothing wrong with the "chit chat" aspect of Gather. Often it can be an entertaining diversion from the pressures and stress of life in the "real world", and a means of providing folks with a casual form of social interaction. But, this trend toward the "everyday" level of entertainment and conversation, is drowning out the more profound content and interactions that made Gather a special place to go, an island of insightfulness in the vast sea of internet "chat rooms".
The question of whether Gather is to continue as such an island, is the topic of much recent discussion and controversy. Many have been working on ways to make this place more amenable to those that wish to keep this "quality" oriented atmosphere alive and thriving, while accommodating the influx of large numbers of new members that aren't really familiar with the value it offers. Few wish to exclude, or deride folk's indulgence in, the casual and entertaining aspects offered by the less intense forms of literature. But many fear this style of interchange will destroy the continued opportunity to provide a place for those wishing a more weighty experience here.
The limited interface functions of the Gather "system", can make the finding, or even realizing the existence of, the wealth of truly thoughtful, highly skilled writers and thinkers here difficult. Enhancing the 'search' capabilities, and the precision of 'categorization' would help make locating "serious" literature and dialog easier, and the efforts to find means of instituting such enhancements are worthy of praise and support.
But such "technical" improvements will not 'in and of themselves', I don't think, provide a real solution to this "drowning out" of original and profound content, by the "lighter" side of online general hob knobbing. The erosion of a once dominant culture of serious writing and debate, is becoming extreme, and needs a "force", that is organic and naturally effective in counteracting the appeal of the "carnival barker" mentality that is bound to pervade a marketplace of ideas, where getting attention is the dominant goal.
The problem could be summarized by the inability to place a label on works that would say "high quality" in some meaningful and enduring way. Regardless of the type of material being sought out, the presence of too much attention grabbing "headline" sorts of articles, will make finding substantive articles difficult. Complex schemes of rating and featuring are possible, but require varying degrees of oversight and "judgmentalism" that present secondary problems that threaten free and open exchange of ideas, and require input that "management" quite naturally hesitates to engage in.
But there is, I believe, a means that would be easily incorporated in any enhancement scheme, that could set in motion a powerful "force" that would balance over time, the "watering down" of quality that currently, and in the future will continue, to push Gather in the direction of "box store" mediocrity. This "force" would be the amplification of one that already exists, and would require no oversight at all, beyond what individual members chose to provide. It is not a new idea, but one that I feel is not sufficiently appreciated as a viable alternative to complex, potentially objectionable, ensembles of technical "fixes" that would still require this "force" to be amplified in some way, to yield a meaningful "quality" label for any article.
The enhancement that will set such a force in motion is members' recommendation of articles. The comprehension of the long term value of adding to each member "name page" a list in some form, of articles they personally recommend to others, is not immediately graspable or quickly understood in its entirety. For, it would set in motion a "feedback loop", that would strengthen itself in many blatant, and subtle ways.
The addition of a "recommended reading" list to each "name page" would provide a way for the most powerful writing to "echo", and live on past its moment of actual pronunciation, in the din of voices vying for attention. This would put a premium on writing high quality pieces that affected people in a more profound way than evoking an immediate reaction, in the form of a "me too" or a "here's what I think about that". Folks would be enticed to create articles that had 'staying power'. That had real impact on readers, not momentary 'carnival barker' power to catch the eye.
Over time, 'real' literature would reappear on the 'comments pages', and continue to be circulated long beyond its initial publication. Those who wrote something of 'real' value to the mind and heart, would be rewarded with this "echoing" of their work. This would in turn reduce the temptation for those that actually can think and write with skill, to "lower" themselves to becoming another in the huge crowd of 'con artists', simply seeking to elicit an impulsive reaction by the casual audience.
Thus, a 'feedback loop' would be set in motion, with quality becoming an ever stronger force in the general system. People would gradually tend to pay attention to the aspects of writing that provided their work with 'legs'. And this would continue to encroach on the dominance of "trigger" articles, which are growing so ubiquitous and annoying to real writers, and those seeking meaningful interaction.
Articles that truly provoke memorable comment threads would live on as recommended articles as well, and taking time to write serious comments would begin to 'make sense' in a world of blurted out first reactions. One that 'gave a damn' about a topic, would wish to have their comments "immortalized" along with the substantive articles that would recycle through the recommendations of readers. And this would perpetuate the "quality loop", and provoke people to write articles that enticed meaningful response, not strings of petty reactions, because those responses would become a part of the article, and contribute to it's "immortality", and resultant prominence in the 'marketplace'.
Further subtle effects, all tending to provoke the generation of thoughtful content can be seen if one takes some time to gaze into the habits that this "tool" would encourage and provide reward for engaging in. The benefits of this single enhancement are not dependant on any other, and could be instituted without controversy or delay. I fear that past efforts to get the Gather management to proceed with real improvements are impeded by their very attempt at "perfecting" the system, and the numerous technical and social nuances they conjure in the minds of the "powers that be". It is my hope that a concerted effort, formed around this single addition, could be "sold" to management in short order, and more intricate schemes, laudable as they may be, could be enacted in the future, as their merits and drawbacks were more fully realized, and studied.


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I think Gather would be even more unwieldy were it not for the recent comments page . . . I've found some excellent material through other people's interesting commentary.
I fear you truly miss the point of this concept. There is NO "group opinion" involved in this idea at all. It would simply be a quick and easy way to point toward content you felt was valuable, for any reason you choose. One would in no way be required to justify or get agreement from anyone else. Nor would this addition mandate any substantive changes in the current system, it's merely a recommended reading list you tend to if you wish.
Thanks, you capture the sentiments of many, I think. I see no way to "grow" Gather, as the owners surely and rightly wish to do, without bringing in those with a wide variety of interests and motivations for being here. It does, I feel however, behoove management to "hold on" to the pool of very good writers they've managed to attract, and make finding their work more intuitive and efficient.
This shareable book-marking feature is exactly what will fit John's recommendation of the 'Force' of 'Peer Recommendation'. It will be an innocuous feature that will simply facilitate a member to organize and bookmark the articles of some lasting value as per an individual's predilection. It is the shareable feature of the facility that will work as an unintended recommendation. People who have less time and patience to dig into the archival heap for articles of quality and value will try to draw into the recourses of known connoisseurs whose taste and judgment they trust and value. Eventually that members driven 'Force' will work as a hidden engine that will gravitate quality material to the center of community's attention without the intervention of interest-groups or the management. The chat-and-game articles which make temporary splashes and steal the limelight as the 'Highest Rated' and 'Most Discussed' articles will wither and fade by the longer term churning effect of the force of peer recommendation.
Kudos to John for bringing up this thoughtful idea. I like Gather for its quality, diversity and uniqueness as a global community experience. It is important that members should take initiative to make it a members-driven, rather than a management doled out, experience.
Your comment makes me feel "wordy", as it so concise in summing up the matter. Thank you.
Are you saying this WILL happen? And if so, is there any time-frame?
Thanks, I spaced. (kinda spread out at the moment)
I could not agree more. I cut loose of that tool after three days of being flooded with info I didn't need, and could get to in other easy ways.
Damn you for making me think yet again.
So I printed the piece out and will give it the thought it requires tomorrow.
Oh, sure. Now I have to go add paper to the printer.
You're a PITA -- admittedly in the best sense of the word.
Thanks.
Yeah, I know, but I'm always trying to place the "correct" emphasis on this clumsy invention called writing. In person I'm very animated and nuanced when I speak, and it's difficult to squeeze my voice into these little letters.
I'm a natural born provocateur, just jumps right out.
I love the passion you show for bringing the issue of quality to the fore on Gather!
There is one statement in your great article that I would like to address: "It is my hope that a concerted effort, formed around this single addition, could be "sold" to management in short order..."
If you re-read the article links I sent to you the other day on the proposed rating replacement system, you will see that a 'recommended reading list' is an integral part of the solution already presented to Gather. This list then becomes the foundation for 'bubbling up' quality content to the community, as more members add the same articles and images to their own list. Ultimately, the 'Highest Rated' category then becomes 'Most Recommended', as content with the most 'recommendations' make their way onto the list. Gather is currently working on the new system, and may start doing some usability testing prior to the end of this calendar year.
Although, perhaps this deviates somewhat from your suggestion above.
Just to let you know...
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I'd love to see this IN ADDITION to the group index by category idea.
I've had two group owners just this week send out mass mails to their membership letting them know they will be editing submissions stringently for on topic content from here forward. More of that with an index of groups, by caterogy, would lead the newbies right where they wanted to go, letting them more quickly assimilate, make the "right connections" to get the recommendations they are truly looking for and become contributing members, right out of the gate.
I think the two ideas go hand in hand. Bravo to Gather for listening!
I hear ya, and was under the impression that the inclusion of this aspect in a "package" might be holding up either its concideration as a partial solution to the growing domination of Gathers content by the less weighty forms of articles, or the realization of its implimentations ability to provide a strong counterforce to said trend. In this thread however, Dolphi directed me to an article by the owner, which informs me that its meritt has not been overlooked, and is indeed about to become a part of Gather's capabilities. As I told her above, "Just like me to find a great solution that is already on the way". So, in a sense, I already concede that this article was unnessesary, though as I also said to Dolphi; "maybe this will begin the process of educating folks about what this tool can do for us, and thus speed up its intended value". Clearly, your previous work on this matter has paid off in terms of this particular "tool", and I therefore thank you for your efforts, as well as your kind attention to my articles.
Bravo indeed.
On another forum that I help Moderate, we just did some upgrades and they include, links to bookmark articles on-site, which in turn will also bookmark the authors and various other things that make it easier to read "only" what you choose. Being a Moderator, I have to look all things over and remove what's not relevent, but for the members, it's working out well.
Marilyn
I see your first point, and I would hope that such would be rather good jokes and games, which I doubt many would object to. It isn't, to me, a matter of what kind of article is being written so much lately, as much as the burgeoning number of fairly thoughtless ones. I would think it would be those which are little more than throw down pieces, basically reaction triggers, that would be filtered out by a "recommended" list. Perhaps SOMEBODY would recommend a two line article asking folks to name their favorite flavor of ice cream, but I doubt enough would to land it on a list.