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by Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T
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The Secret Life of Bees - Live Chat Transcript!

November 17, 2008 09:45 AM EST (Updated: November 19, 2008 08:56 AM EST)
views: 1097 | comments: 174

Join me and the Gather Book Club, Tuesday, 11/18 from 9-9:30PM ET to discuss the NYT Bestseller The Secret Life of Bees. Anyone can join. This Tuesday we'll meet to discuss chapters one through six.

The discussion takes place in the comment field below. I’ll be your host tonight and will include the discussion questions in the comment field throughout our chat. Please don’t give away any plot spoilers beyond chapter six.

You'll need to continually REFRESH your browser to see new comments appear during the live chat.

About the Book:

Set in South Carolina in 1964, The Secret Life of Bees is the moving tale of Lily Owens, a 14 year-old girl who is haunted by the memory of her late mother. To escape her lonely life and troubled relationship with her father, Lily flees with Rosaleen, her caregiver and only friend, to a South Carolina town that holds the secret to her mother's past. Taken in by the intelligent and independent Boatwright sisters, Lily finds solace in their mesmerizing world of beekeeping.





Discussion Questions:

  1. What are your thoughts on Rosaleen spitting on the three men's shoes? What does it take for a person to stand up with conviction against brutalizing injustice? Would you have taken the same action that Rosaleen did?
  2. Do you think that T. Ray was a racist? Why or why not?
  3. Do you think the way June thinks of and treats Lily is warranted?
  4. Chapter Five begins with the quote: Let's imagine for a moment that we are tiny enough to follow a bee into a hive. Usually the first thing we would have to get used to is the darkness…
    How do you think this applies to Lily?

Gather will randomly draw one person who participates in our chat between 9-9:30PM ET on 11/18 to receive 200 Bonus Gather Points ™!

I look forward to seeing you there!


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Comments: 174

Marsha S. Nov 17, 2008, 10:03am EST
I think this would be fun if I could afford to buy the books they discuss.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 17, 2008, 10:07am EST
Have you tried the library, Marsha? You may be able to find copies there. Also, when the books are announced, Stefanie (Gatherpartner.gather.com) usually posts about it, and asks people if they would like a copy, then gives a few copies out. I'll try to remember to ping you the next time!
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Paul M. Nov 17, 2008, 10:08am EST
Can I just watch the movie and say I read the book?
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Sophie S. Nov 17, 2008, 10:09am EST
I will try to be there
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Stephannie H. Nov 17, 2008, 10:13am EST
thanks for sharing with us
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Janet "Jax" B. Nov 17, 2008, 12:43pm EST
I hope I'm around for it....I did enjoy the book...and the movie.
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Denise W. Nov 17, 2008, 12:44pm EST
I never seem to find time to read anymore
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Claudia B. Nov 17, 2008, 1:57pm EST
Looking forward to the discussion, the book was a welcome surprise.
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Bridget ♥ Nov 17, 2008, 2:01pm EST
Darn it! I wanted to attend this but I have a Parent Teacher meeting at 6:00 which is 9:00 ET!
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Christine Zibas Nov 17, 2008, 4:18pm EST
Looking forward to the start of a great new discussion!
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David S. Nov 17, 2008, 5:46pm EST
This book doesn't even look interesting, but I couldn't make it to the chat regardless since it occurs in the evening when I rarely get near a computer.
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Mary McCartt Nov 17, 2008, 9:45pm EST
I read this marvelous book quite some time ago. I enjoyed it tremendously and look forward to seeing how others feel about it.
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michele v Nov 17, 2008, 10:40pm EST
i'll try to be there. I have to refresh myself on the book though it's been a while since i read it
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Nyota *Star* Nov 17, 2008, 11:29pm EST
The movie was good. My sister enjoyed the book.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 8:00am EST
I haven't had a chance to see the movie yet. Probably a Netflix movie when it comes out!
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Susan Budig Nov 18, 2008, 10:21am EST
This is one of my favorite books. I'll have to find it on my bookshelf and do a quick review before tonight's chat. Why did you pick an older book rather than a current best seller? Or maybe it *is* a current best seller! I feel like I read it a few years ago.
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Susan Budig Nov 18, 2008, 10:23am EST
Oh. I see that it's also a current movie. That explains the motive for reviewing it on a book-chat, I guess.

I hope we discuss the book, not the movie, tonight.
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Jerry Kays Nov 18, 2008, 10:57am EST
With all of the problems in the world needing some serious inquiry for understanding and correction by all of us ... here we waste out time on entertainment ... the American way of of "ostrichism" ... sticking our heads in the sand and hoping things pass us by unscathed ...
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Stefanie Plum, Gather Partner Team Nov 18, 2008, 11:32am EST
Susan, "The Secret Life of Bees" book was chosen by Gather for the book club based on member suggestions. An overwhelming number wanted to read it.

It's a great book and the movie is pretty good too!
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Angela A. Nov 18, 2008, 1:30pm EST
I didn't read the book. I did not want to read the book.
So, I won't be in on the discussion.
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Renda B~surviving the storm by dancing in the rain. Nov 18, 2008, 2:27pm EST
I haven't read the book, but I will have to check it out.
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Jenny D. Nov 18, 2008, 3:04pm EST
Thanks for sharing!
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Sheryl O. Nov 18, 2008, 3:08pm EST
"With all of the problems in the world needing some serious inquiry for understanding and correction by all of us ... here we waste out time on entertainment ... the American way of of "ostrichism" ... sticking our heads in the sand and hoping things pass us by unscathed ... "

Oh, Jerry. I cannot tell you how much I disagree with you. Reading well-written fiction allows us to expand our understanding of all humans and the world around us. And that expanded understanding creates and increases our empathy. People need to be active politically and stay informed, but increased understanding of and empathy for others' motivations is never a waste of time...is never pure entertainment.
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Charlene C. Duline Nov 18, 2008, 3:11pm EST
I plan to be at the discussion. I am waiting for my copy of the book to arrive. So I won't be talking tonight, but listening for wise words of wisdom from my fellow book lovers.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 3:15pm EST
Jerry, I'm sorry you feel that way- reading is an age old form of entertainment that many people no longer have the time or inclination to indulge in. It's also a wonderful teaching tool.

The discussion will be centered around the book, and not the movie.
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Melinda ~choosing happiness~ S. Nov 18, 2008, 3:21pm EST
I read this one quite awile ago and loved it, and I have more recently seen the movie. This will be a great book to discuss...there is so much going on in it.
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April H. Nov 18, 2008, 3:34pm EST
I can haredly wait till tonight
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golds g. Nov 18, 2008, 3:39pm EST
sounds like a lot of fun
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☃ Aunt Shanny Nov 18, 2008, 4:02pm EST
? Hard to me to chat about a book I've never read.
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Katrina Hall Nov 18, 2008, 4:26pm EST
Absolutely one of my favorite books ever!
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JustMe ~I'm happy to be~ Nov 18, 2008, 4:38pm EST
I wrote a piece about this novel, seeing the movie and how it resonates with me.

I will check back in to see the discussion.
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Connie C. Nov 18, 2008, 4:54pm EST
I am really excited about this chat. It was a wonderful book. We are having a terrible snow storm and the power keeps going off so if I am not here, you will know my power is off.
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Karyn K. Nov 18, 2008, 5:16pm EST
This was such a fantastic book. My sister gave it to me to read about 6 months ago. I have now passed it on to my 89 yr old mom to read. She just saw the movie and loved that.
The discusion will be at 6pm my time so not sure if I can make it, but will try.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 5:47pm EST
I hope the storm lets up some, Connie!!
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Maggie Y. Nov 18, 2008, 5:58pm EST
Aww, wish I could find this book and finish reading it today so I could join the chat, LOL!
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Maggie Y. Nov 18, 2008, 5:58pm EST
P.S have fun y'all :)
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Apryl Just Apryl Nov 18, 2008, 6:40pm EST
This was one of my favorite books the year it came out.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 7:04pm EST
I read this book a few years ago, so I forget a lot. But I still feel qualified to participate tonight.
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Trish A. Nov 18, 2008, 7:04pm EST
Where did the days go. I had planned on going to the library to get a copy to read and now it's already time for the discussion. I don't want to attend this session since I want to be surprised about the book.

I hope everyone enjoys.
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CyberGwen ! Nov 18, 2008, 7:25pm EST
I tried really hard not to read ahead like I did for the last book club. I failed. I just can't put a book down when it sucks me in, like this one did. See ya in a bit!
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JoAnne D. Nov 18, 2008, 7:31pm EST
I wish I had read the book, I hear it's going to be a movie soon.
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Susan Budig Nov 18, 2008, 7:46pm EST
Several years ago I wrote a poem that touches on the issues brought up in The Secret Life of Bees. I hope some of you jump over and read my poem and leave a comment. I think it really speaks to the same themes of Sue Monk Kid's book.

Tupelo Diner
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Deborah R. Nov 18, 2008, 7:58pm EST
Can't be here. The book sounds very interesting though. May get a chance to read, if i can find it. Thanks.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 8:04pm EST
I'm surprised that this discussion will only be a half hour long. That's good for me because I get up at 5 a.m. for work.
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Sharon B. Nov 18, 2008, 8:39pm EST
thanks for sharing
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Sheila Deeth Nov 18, 2008, 8:59pm EST
I loved this book. A friend loaned it to me a while back and I'd love to get my own copy so my Mum can read it too.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:00pm EST
I read this book about four years ago.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:00pm EST
I am signing in for the eagerly awaited discussion of a great book.
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CC Miranda the artrat (or am i?) Nov 18, 2008, 9:00pm EST
is there a separate article for this discussion?
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:01pm EST
Good Evening!

Welcome to the first discussion of the book
The Secret Life of Bees, by Sue Monk Kidd. Tonight we'll be discussing the first 6 chapters of the book.

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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:01pm EST
CC- The discussion will take place right here! :)
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:01pm EST
Question #1:

What are your thoughts on Rosaleen spitting on the three men's shoes? What does it take for a person to stand up with conviction against brutalizing injustice? Would you have taken the same action that Rosaleen did?
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CC Miranda the artrat (or am i?) Nov 18, 2008, 9:01pm EST
hi heather. thanks for hosting.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:01pm EST
It doesn't appear that way as Stefanie sent this as a link to the discussion tonight.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:01pm EST
I had heard so many rants and raves about this book, I was quite surprised that I didn't care for it as much as everyone else, including my mother.
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Brittney R. Nov 18, 2008, 9:02pm EST
good evening!
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Apryl Just Apryl Nov 18, 2008, 9:02pm EST
I loved it as well. I love the strength of all the woman involved and how they united to help battle their foes. I also loved that in the end her Father backed down.
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April H. Nov 18, 2008, 9:02pm EST
The question was: Why does Rosaleen spit on the white men's shoes?

-Guy making fun of Rosaleen, motivated her to take action. Pouring her spit jug.

-Excited about Civil Rights Act. High and Mighty because she was goint into town to vote.

-Rosaleen spured the moment "Carpie Diem" did not think about what she was doing.

-Rosaleen wants to be her own person/Drawing the line.

-Rosaleen was a pot ready to "boil over".

-Rosaleen knew the consequence of getting hurt.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:03pm EST
I wish I could say I would be that brave but in tense racial situations, I don't think I'd have the courage. She really had the nerves of steel to be able to stand up to those men.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:03pm EST
Because I read this 4 years ago, I don't remember details as much as I otherwise would.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:03pm EST
I think Rosaleen saw change coming, and used this as her own way to show a white man that she wasn't going to take it anymore. I think it probably took strong conviction to do that- she believed change would happen.

I can't say I would have done the same, but I'm a non-confrontational person myself.
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April H. Nov 18, 2008, 9:03pm EST
Opps forgot to say Hi everybodu just jumped in with my answer fpr the first question
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Brittney R. Nov 18, 2008, 9:04pm EST
Elizabeth...I was surprised at my reaction to the book too! This should be an interesting discussion.
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Connie C. Nov 18, 2008, 9:04pm EST
I am here but I do not know for how long. Our power keeps going off.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:04pm EST
April, You're right, Rosaleen was no fool as she knew the evident attitude of the men but she JUST knew she had to take a chance on life.
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Apryl Just Apryl Nov 18, 2008, 9:05pm EST
I loved what Rosaleen did but I can't even imagine the courage it took for her to take such a bold stand in the era before civil rights were attained. Would I have done the same, I would like to think if I were a black woman living in those times that I would have but I know I would never have possessed such courage.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:05pm EST
I enjoyed the book, Elizabeth, but it wasn't my favorite, and I felt that it dragged along quite a bit in different places. I enjoyed the history of it more than the plot itself, but I am glad I read it.

Hi CC, and Thank You!
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:05pm EST
Welcome, Connie- hopefully your power will remain on :)
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April H. Nov 18, 2008, 9:05pm EST
I would never have had the gumtion to do what she did
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CC Miranda the artrat (or am i?) Nov 18, 2008, 9:05pm EST
i think everyone has a breaking point, and perhaps Rosaleen had reached hers and acted before she thought about the consequences.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:06pm EST
While you'd like to think you would stand up for justice, even if you felt that way, you may not have in the kind of environment in the South in the 60s.
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Connie C. Nov 18, 2008, 9:06pm EST
What are your thoughts on Rosaleen spitting on the three men's shoes? What does it take for a person to stand up with conviction against brutalizing injustice? Would you have taken the same action that Rosaleen did?


I like to think I would be as brabe as Rosaleen but the fact is that we just never know what we will do in certain circumstances unless we are in them.

I think she was a strong willed person and feared the racial situation more than her reaction to it.
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Brittney R. Nov 18, 2008, 9:06pm EST
I think it took a lot of nerve to stand up for something she believed in, thinking she was making her stand for herself and her race. However, I would not have done anything as drastic as she did.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:06pm EST
I was in high school during the early 70s when there were race riots so I recall the delayed winds of change.
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Apryl Just Apryl Nov 18, 2008, 9:06pm EST
For me it wasn't only race that was a factor but gender. I felt the gender lines throughout the book especially in the actions of the Father and his treatment of his daughter.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:07pm EST
Question #2: Do you think that T. Ray was a racist? Why or why not?

If you haven't gotten to question number 1, don't worry- just answer them in your own time!
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:07pm EST
Very good point, Elizabeth. The entire way of life, right down to how people looked at you, was entirely different back then. Knowing NOW what is right and wrong is different than being raised that way and thinking something else.
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Connie C. Nov 18, 2008, 9:08pm EST
I think with the current situation of the election, this was a very appropiate book to chat about. Americans have come a long way since 1964 and to be honest that is not too long ago.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:08pm EST
I hadn't thought of gender playing a role, but I think you make a good observation, Apryl.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:08pm EST
I don't think Rosaleen gave any thought to how it would impact Lily.
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April H. Nov 18, 2008, 9:09pm EST
Question #2: Do you think that T. Ray was a racist? Why or why not?Absolutely he was
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:09pm EST
Brittney and Princess--after I read this book 4 years ago I wrote a review on amazon.com. To spark my memory I looked it up. So I can cite specifics I criticize.
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Connie C. Nov 18, 2008, 9:09pm EST
Apryl,
I sensed the gender conflict as well.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:09pm EST
#2-

I think perhaps T. Ray was both a product of his environment, and bitter over his own life. I don't see his actions as being completely racist. He just plain old did not like people if you ask me.
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CC Miranda the artrat (or am i?) Nov 18, 2008, 9:10pm EST
i think T. Ray was a product of his upbringing, but felt he was more of a cold bas*ard than a racist overall.
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Apryl Just Apryl Nov 18, 2008, 9:11pm EST
I thought the women found their peace in Mother earth and the power of being feminine.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:11pm EST
T. Ray was a sterotypical southern uneducated man that struggled with the changing world he was living in. His wife trying to find her own voice, a hired hand speaking up, a daughter looking for a different lifestyle than her small-town offered.
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Susan V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:11pm EST
I did not read the book and I guess I am not on gather enough to know about the book club! But I did see that the book was about something that happened in 1964 so I may go ahead and go and get the book and try to catch up with everyone!
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April H. Nov 18, 2008, 9:11pm EST
Claudia, I marched in those Ciil rights marchs in DC in the 60's it was a different world for sure, and he was a produvt of his environment
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Apryl Just Apryl Nov 18, 2008, 9:11pm EST
He was a racist and a sexist, this was displayed in his treatment of Rosaleen and his daughter.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:11pm EST
I could copy my review to this discussion, but I don't want to give things away for people who haven't read that far.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:12pm EST
T. Ray surely didn't like humans..LOL
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Connie C. Nov 18, 2008, 9:12pm EST
Question #2: Do you think that T. Ray was a racist? Why or why not?

Yes, he was very much so but I wonder if deep down we all are just a bit racist... I don't necessarily mean between black and white but even between people of other countries or income levels. I mean I hate to admit but I am more weary of a person who looks like a bum than one in a suit.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:13pm EST
T. Ray surely was a product of his environment but he made the choice to still continue along the narrow path of prejudice.
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Princess Spanky Pants ~ The Real, Original, Heather T Nov 18, 2008, 9:13pm EST
Question #3:

Do you think the way June thinks of and treats Lily is warranted?


Again- just answer the questions in your own time!
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Susan Budig Nov 18, 2008, 9:14pm EST
I'm realizing that my memory of the book is limited to moments, not ideas. >:-(
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CC Miranda the artrat (or am i?) Nov 18, 2008, 9:14pm EST
enjoy the rest of the discussion, i have to go finish packing my house up some more.
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Elizabeth V. Nov 18, 2008, 9:14pm EST
Here's some of my review that won't give anything away:

I probably would have given this book four stars when I was 13. But taste evolves; as an adult, I wasn't interested. It seemed silly. Here are some examples of what I mean by "silly."

This book was told in the first person by a girl or woman who was at least high school age. Yet, the author deliberately made her talk like an 11 year old. As a matter of fact, her grammar was certainly worse than mine was when I was 11.

This book was constantly commenting on the poor treatment black people received at that time (the 60s) in the South, yet the child this book was about talked to and about her black nanny/"companion" (an adult) as if she were a child or a dimwit.
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Claudia B. Nov 18, 2008, 9:14pm EST
His limited thinking also had imprinted Lily's thoughts as well.
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Apryl Just Apryl Nov 18, 2008, 9:16pm EST
I tend to disagree that he was a product of his envirnoment and uneducated. My Grandfather was a southern man and uneducated; spending his adult life in the coal mine and on the farm. He was not a racist nor a sexist. He died in 1976 at age 106

The heart can overcome educational limitations
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