I was writing this as a comment in response to Social Security Disability Abuse, an article written here on Gather by Duane B. I saw how long it was getting and decided to bring it into its own post. Here goes:
Duane,
It's very, very difficult to get on SSD due to mental health issues. I have depression, but I wouldn't declare my Depression a minor mood disorder. Of the past 6.5 years, I've spent approximately three of them in one inpatient psychiatric facility or another for treatment of my Depression and "bad thoughts" (I won't say what those bad thoughts are but if you've worked in mental health and have dealt with people who suffer from severe chronic Depression you can guess what those "bad thoughts" are).
Right now my Depression is manageable. I'm on my meds, which I can afford in small part thanks to Medicare Part D (my co-pay for the four medications I take for my Depression/Anxiety is nearly $90). I remain in treatment because I have a psychiatrist and therapist who work with me, who are great, and who take Medicare for payment. They don't tell me to go elsewhere if I miss a few sessions. They worry, but they've stuck with me for the past year or so that I've been going to them. My life hasn't been better in a long, long time.
I can work part-time. I could probably work about 20 hours per week if Social Security allowed me to do so, but that's not possible. I can't do full time work, however, due to the Depression and other physical ailments. If I get a permanent, part-time job, I won't get health benefits (insurance) that cover my mental health issues (severe, chronic Depression). Without health benefits covering my mental health issues, I'll stop treatment as I won't be able to afford them and within a few months I'll be back in the hospital. This is a cycle that was repeated for nearly five years before I found my current treatment team and benefits level.
I've gone through my trial work period with Social Security. That means that instead of $600/month, I'm allowed to earn $900/month. However, the minute I earn over $900/month (gross pay), I get cut off and there's no appeal; I'd have to re-file for benefits, which will be more difficult to obtain as SSD will make the case that I earned more than $900/month so I have demonstrated an ability to work and, therefore, do not meet the criteria for being disabled and eligible for SSD benefits, of which Medicare--provided by SSD--is my only health insurance.
I currently receive from SSD (rounding up for the sake of simplicity) $1200/month. I pay out $100 for Medicare benefits. So this is my working budget if I maintain what I'm currently doing and can find 30 hours of work per month:
$1200 from SSD
$900 from work that I'm allowed to earn per month, presuming I can find the work
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$2100 per month
Let's look at the expenses:
$1050 - rent
$100 - Medicare
$100 - medications
$150 - phone + Internet phone
$400 - food
$300 - taxes+etc. taken out of $900 income (they base my taxes on the hourly rate, not what I actually earn for the pay period)
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$2100, which is just about equal to my income.
Of course, I haven't earned $900/month since last August, as I haven't worked since then. So my expenses right now are a bit above my income.
Now here's the thing....the type of work I do happens to pay fairly well. Let's just say that I earn, on average, close to $30/hour (I'm actually rounding up a little to make this easy). That means that I can work 30 hours and keep my benefits. Now, 30 hours per month is not anywhere near the 20 hours per week that I could work if I were so allowed. But let's just say that I do work 20 hours per week, or 21 hours per week (that's 3 7-hour days, which is what I probably would do). Here's the breakdown:
$600 for the first week
$600 for the second week -- SSD kills my benefits
$600 for the third week
$600 for the fourth week
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$2400 for the month
Now let's look at the expenses again:
$1050 - rent
$400 - medications
$150 - phone + Internet phone
$400 - food
$600 - taxes+etc. taken out of $900 income (they base my taxes on the hourly rate, not what I actually earn for the pay period)
$150 - psychiatrist's appointment on sliding scale payment ($150 at 1x/mo)
$400 - therapist's appointment on sliding scale payment ($100 at 4x/mo)
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$3150 in expenses for the month.
So in order for me to live without being on disability, I'd have to be earning somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000/year, working part-time, which is currently about twice what I can earn while being on SSD.
Of course, I'm not taking into account any other expenses, such as when I see the physical doctor, or if I need an extra therapy session, or if I drop in on a group session. As I've stated, my current treatment team takes my Medicare payment as payment in full for their services, which is wonderful for me as that leaves me with having to pay only the co-pays for my physical doctors and my medications. Erase Medicare and that disappears; my expenses go way, way up.
Find me a job that pays that which I can physically and mentally handle, and I'll happily get off SSD and a fixed-income lifestyle that I shouldn't have to be on in my early 30s. :p
Or, fix the SSD system so that what one is allowed to earn isn't based on income but rather on the time spent at the job. I mean, on SSD, I could (if I were physically able to do so) get a full-time job working 35 hours per week at minimum wage and maintain my benefits (I'm just not physically able to do so and, well, quite frankly, taking an 80% pay cut isn't all that appealing to most individuals).
[Edit 7 June 2008:] You know I was just thinking about this as I wrote my e-mail to Senator Schumer (D, NY). For those individuals like me who are able to work more than a few days per month but cannot due to the income earning limitation, perhaps we could be placed on a graduated system, where we keep our medical benefits but our SSD benefit is reduced proportionately to the income we earn from work. That would be a quick fix but ideally, I would like to see it set up such that the limitation was based on one's actual ability to do work and not the income derived from performing such work. That way, people who earn $20, $30, $40 per hour can work a 10 or 15 hours per week and keep their benefits.
Finally, please read through all of the comments posted here; others have similar or related experiences, so I know that mine is not an isolated incident.
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Comments: 34
Again, very well said.
Good luck to you!!
The mess we have now is all due to the nature of our money.
Great article, wish it would change the views of SSI, but it wont. Unfortuantly.
Most politicians only send out the "thank you for contacting my office" e-mail (which I also received, but then a few days later I got the "I, too, am concerned about the environment" e-mail. And considering that I used a form e-mail to send him the one on the environment in the first place, the fact that I got something back that was on point is, to me at least, quite impressive.
Kudos, Senator Schumer!
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Do we need National Medical Care? I am having a hard time paying for mine and now I am forced to pay 100% for my daughter that is dying of liver failure and has no insurance of any kind. When I eat out now, it is normally on the small menu at fast food restruants. So much for the easy retirement I had planned for.
I am happy I have my wife of 55 years next week, we can still drive around and we both have our church family and grandchildren, and children. I am not complaining as I told God if I ever made 50 I would never complain, and now I am 77. Praise God!
In my view SSD should be helping and encouraging those who can work and making every effort to support themselves as best they can. Perhaps a graduated system of benefits, rather than an absolute cut off, at which you lose ALL assistance.
Unfortunately, because the system is designed the way it is, I think it may discourage some people from trying to meet their own potential and, in turn, become as self-sufficient as possible.
I have an aunt who has spent her entire adult life on SSD (she is now 60 years old). Over the last twenty years or so, I've seen her jump from doctor to doctor and medication cocktail to medication cocktail. This is probably partly because the doctor's appointments were the only thing left to break up her week. Looking back, it's amazing to me that such a vibrant, creative woman could have spent her whole life this way.
Returning to your situation, I certainly see where you are coming from and I can only hope that eventually (hopefully sooner than later) someone will not only recognize that the system is broken, but do something about it.
Well done, Peter.
Thanks for your post.
Not many know that there are many free government programs and those from non profit organizations and others in which the disabled can get free insurance, free prescriptions, affordable housing, free transportation, free food, free dental coverage and more. Here is the link to those www.maxpages.com/helpbenefits
Why don't people get this!
SSI-Supplemental Security Income requires ZERO time paying into Social Security and ZERO years or CREDITS or work.
Duane was talking about SSI, the Freebie one.
And, it's not just for the poor as people claim it is. Not when they are allowed to OWN a house of Any Size or Any Value whatsoever it's not.
There should be a cap of some kind on the value of their real estate because all the SSI's I know that never work if ever in their lives ALL own homes that are extremely valueable here in California.
But, I KNOW that Duane was not discussing SSDI nor' was he discussing SS for retired persons that have worked a full 40 years.
He was discussing the Frauds on SSI.
Those are usually Mother's that have run out of their lifetime limit's on Mommie/Baby Welfare checks and they don't want to Transition onto TANF because it means they will have to work just a tiny bit to keep getting those full checks, so they Transition onto SSI instead.
It's much easier than you think to get onto SSI. Once they get a Pro Bono Attorney, get to that Administrative Law Judge it's in the bag.
Check-In-The-Box for life.
That's what Duane was discussing.
I GET IT DUANE!
Let's check out what it's done to the State of California shall we.
You see, in California an SSI does not just get SSI for the standard $674 per head, per month. They also get SSP from the state added in, instead of Food Stamps they get a Cash Check. So, that's SSI PLUS SSP that equals $907 per Individual, or $1,569 per Couple.
To validate this go here: http://www.policymap.com
Type into the search of CALIFORNIA, 'People on SSI-Supplemental Security Income' leave everything out, blank to get the FULL effect, ok!
Now, do you see where the state of California, is a DEEP DARK PURPLE COLOR?
That's because almost EVERYONE in the state of California is ON SSI & SSP checks because it PAYS MORE THAN ANY OTHER STATE.
Since the state of California add's that extra Cash check to the SSI/Federal, they people all jump on the gravy train and get onto SSI/SSP, in Cali.
They also MIGRATE to Cali for the extra money.
The people that Work and pay are sick of this and we are all OUT-Migrating.
There's ton's of articles about this OUT-Migration.
We are not going to continue paying for these free loaders we KNOW are not disabled.
As well, the Illegals age 65+ easily apply & qualify for SSI/SSP in California.
You get a head of household after Shamnesty happens getting on SSI/SSP they will be able to get onto, finally, and their ENTIRE families will ALL get a monthly Tax Free Cash Check from SSI & SSP.
The state of California already pays CAPI to Immigrants. They pay 65+ SSI/SSP checks, give them HUD-Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers, free food bank, free farmer's market vouchers, free heat/air conditioning, dental, braces, cosmetic dental, vision, and the list just goes on and on.
This merry-go-round of free everything is coming to a screaching hault in California, because the lack of Tax Revenues to the General fund where the SSP & IHSS money comes from, and all the MediCAL, which is the same as MediCAID they all get.
They pay nothing for all their Cash and goodies they get.
Some are terribly poor and disabled, that is what SSI & SSP was created for.
But if you go to heritage.org their accurate records show just how many people are NOT elderly collecting and the largest and fastest catagory of collectors of SSI/SSP is MENTAL 'OTHER', like ADHD, Depression Bi-Polar, Anxiety.
It's very EXTREME to have Bi-Polar, and I know a Tweeker/Meth head that's only 22 that's on SSI/SSP for it. She's one of the happiest people I know, always having a whopping good time with all her cash to spend at the Casino and the Bars.
She's depressed because she's an Addict see. So, this qualifies her for lifetime checks.
Also, kids that get onto SSI during their school years, continue for the rest of their lives on SSI checks, never having to do anything but sit home, get high, get drunk, party, eat, sit, because their parents SAW an opportunity along with the slip-shod school system to MAKE MONEY of the kid via qualifying them for SSI as a kid. And POOF! They live the rest of their live on check-in-the-box. Nice huh.