Time to Weigh In.

huh?

No.

Rosa Parks fought for her rights as an American citizen; rights that were denied to her. There is no comparison, although I'm sure some will say there is. Does Arellano pay taxes?

Elizabeth click on the blue name in the article. It will explain to you who Elvira Arellano is.

Yeah, and Michael Vick will soon be the new head of PETA!

I know who she is. I just don't see the comparison, other than the fact that you probably wanted to try to bait a few people like me. Nice try, but no dice.

The analogy just isn't there, regardless of her immigration status. It's, politely speaking, a silly question.

In the days to come Elizabeth, You might change your mind, You can bring your pet frog with you also.

Nippy is not my pet frog. He is my spiritual guide, my psychic friend, my mentor, my amanuensis, my faithful factotum, my Boswell's Johnson. You will, to be sure, need to look up some of those references.

Elizabeth said "amanuensis" "Boswell's Johnson," and "factotum." Heh, heh, heh. AFAIK, "Boswell's Johnson" is the only one that might get this flagged for adult content.

Bob--NO!,.... Rosa would never use her children to push her own agenda..."ten"

Christene, I heard that the L.A. I.C.E. asked Elvira if she wanted to have her child come along with her and she refused. Do you think she has this much love for her child that she would let another person take care of it?

Elizabeth, So the frog is your girl friday/secretary. Thats allright by me, but I thought he sounded more like a boy frog, oh well, my bad.

Actually there have been people who have tried to compare her to Rosa Parks therrefore making illegal immigration into a civil rights issue. This is wrong. There is no comparison. She, Arellano, is a convicted felon. She was using a stolen Social Security card to work cleaning airplanes at Cicago's O'Hare airport. I really don't think it is a good idea for illegal aliens that we have no idea who they really are or where they come form or what their true intentions are on any aircraft. Last year my wife and I took our daughter and grandsons, 10 and 3, to Disney on Ice at the Wells Fargo Arena in Des Moines. Before we could enter we were searched, purses inspected, bodies wanded...Now if we have to put up with that WHY IS THAT CONVICTED FELON ON TV CRYING ABOUT BEING DEPORTED AND WHY ON EARTH IS THE PASTOR OF THAT CHURCH INVOLVED IN THIS!!!??? That church should give up it's status as a church and be registered as a political action committee.

Rosa was a legal Citizen and used the law to make her point where Elvira broke the law to make her point and she is now back in Mexico where she belongs. No Comparison.

Duane :
Churches (especially Catholic) have become sanctuaries for illegal aliens and the Church leaders are among the biggest supporters of the illegals. This a totally self-interest thing and has nothing to do with compaaion or morals. In fact, I'd say the Churches are guilty of immorality by lying about their role. They are simply trying to save their own worthless butts and replace the dwindled (to near zero) congregations
with illegasl aliens who, unlike most Americans are still avid churchgoers.
Arellano should have been seized and arrested a year ago and the church's
pastors should have been locked up with her for harboring.

Now, would someone please tell me what in the world has happened to this gather
forum. When I put the word "immigration" in the search box, 10 articles appear on the first page dating back almost a month. Ordinarily, the first page would have 1 DAY
of immigration articles, and you'd have to go back more than a dozen pages to get back
to a month earlier. My own article (Lou Dobbs - a challenge to his critics - Aug. 11) is
lost along with scores of others.
Is Gather censoring out immigration articles. Of the few posted, not many seem to be anti-illegal immigration.

Robert F,
Where is Brenda when you need her. I have noticed a slow down as well. I hope this doesn't mean that America has fallen back asleep after the Amnesty Defeat.

I've written Gather 3 emails Aug. 11, 19, & 21, about what is going on and why are articles disappearing. I've only gotten 1 response that sais something about reorganization. I am beginning to think they are CENSORING our articles and flat out deleting the ones they don't like (could that be those that oppose illegal immigration?).
If the "lost" articles don't reappear, and things go back to normal pretty soon, I'm going to turn my emails over to Lou Dobbs, O'Reilly, Hannity & Colmes, Wolf Blitzer and
God knows who else.
Gather : If you're censoring out our articles, you're asking for trouble, dudes!

Right on Robert, I'm with you. If they can't stand the heat, stay out of the Cocina.
Check-out this Url from Glen Beck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlbaEhSPieE
He's got something to say about Elvira.

Also, here's another Url of Elvira:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSGc3wxNIZE

No, I don't think is on par with Rosa Parks.

I can understand the push for immigration reform that would help prevent the parents of US citizens from being deported. Will it ever happen? I don't know.

On a side note, I thought it was kind of funny that the site Bob linked to, at the same time it was applauding the arrest of Arellano, is asking people to help the family of Noe Aleman, who was convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States and two counts of alien smuggling.

Wil, You sure don't like those border patrolmen for some reason, do you? You must of had a bad experience at one time.

Bob...

"Do you think the illegal alien Elvira Arellano is the counter part of Rosa Parks?"

Not in THIS life!

La Voz de Aztlan had this to say about Elvira:
Cold-blooded ICE agents leave child motherless!
by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - August 20, 2007 - The USA might as well return the Statute of Liberty back to France. The inscription that the USA placed on its base is nothing but a lie. It was meant only for "White" immigrants from Europe.

Yesterday, callous federal ICE agents went to the Mexican historic center of Los Angeles to arrest an immigrant from Mexico, Elvira Arellano, as she left the oldest church in the city named "Iglesia de Nuestra Señora Reina de Los Angeles". The church was built by the Mexican founders of Los Angeles before the city and Alta California was confiscated by the Anglo invaders.

This just might be the spark that immigration reform activists have been waiting for that will help mobilize a massive civil disobedience movement on both sides of the border. According to the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of Adalberto United Methodist Church in Chicago, Elvira Arellano is now just across the border where she will be organizing from an undisclosed location. Elvira Arellano is truly a courageous and determined woman who deserves to be compared to Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks is credited with sparking the civil rights movement that changed, for the better, the lives of millions of African-Americans.

Elvira Arellano was torn apart from her 8 year old son Saul. Saul is a USA citizen and had to be left behind in care of the church. The child was with his mother when she was carted away by ICE. According to Ema Lozano who was with the besieged mother during the arrest, "She calmed him down, hugged him and gave him a blessing." This is one reason why the USA has lost the respect of the world, but what can you expect from a country that is responsible for the murder of over 600,000 human beings in Iraq? Those nativists responsible for tearing up immigrant families today are the same type as those that hanged their former slaves from poplar trees.

The USA has now become a nation of lies! This is especially true in regards to the justifications the government utilized to attack Iraq. Another big lie is what is inscribed on that famous statute on Ellis Island that says, "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

The oldest church in L.A. was built by Spaniards, not Mexicans as were most churchs of that period in California.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_de_Los_Angeles

Bob M,
If your up for some lengthy reading go look at a post called (Deported, About time). There are a couple of Crack heads in there trying to tie Deportation to that of the Holocaust in WWII. I cant believe the lengths these pathedic excuses of Humanity will go to drum up some support for the Illegals.

LOL, what's the matter, Bob? Nobody wanted to argue with you so you picked La Voz de Aztlan to be your straw man?

Wil, Its good to see you, What have you been up to?

He hasn't been shaving we might guess. Well, if anybody's going to be the straw man, why not the hit man ? La Voz de Aztlan, just like the numbskull protests of May 1,
are doing a great job of helping the opponents of the invasion. Anyone reading their
idiotic articles, like this one by Ernesto Cienfuegos, has got to figure these loose wires
aren't wrapped too tight. Like others of his ilk so often do, he seems to forget that
before the "Anglo invaders" (his words) "confiscated" Los Angeles, that then patch of
mostly worthless desert was "confiscated" by Mexicans from the Indian inhabitants and STOLEN from them by the Mexican "invaders".
At least when the "Anglo invaders" confiscated it from the first "invaders", they PAID the Mexicans billions of dollars (2007 $), something rarely ever seen throughout
history when a country was defeated in war (one caused by the 1840's Mexicans).
As for the Statue of Liberty's inscription, for cryin' out loud, will somebody up there
please get rid that stupid thing ?, which became outdated in 1924.

Robert, Emma Lazarus wrote that poem in 1883:
The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Emma Lazarus, 1883

It was made into a plaque and placed inside the statue of Liberty by Georgina Schuyler,he began an effort to memorialize Lazarus and her poem and succeeded in placing the plaque in 1903.

In 1903, the poem had relevance. the country was lightly populated and neede people to help build up the country. Now, with a monstrous 300 million+ population, the last thing we need are big waves of immigrants, legal or not, to compete with us for
jobs and living space.
Form follows function. It is absurd to be talking about the Lazurus poem as still
relevant to our society, in the year 2007. It was absurd 80 years ago.

I agree, Robert. Thats one more card for the pro-illegals to play with.