In the recent discussions about immigration issues I have seen on Gather and in the larger media, I have seen/heard very little about the problems unique to highly skilled immigrants, most with higher degrees in science and engineering. The quota for such immigrants now stands at 54,000 per year, and many business organizations, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, say the limit should be at least doubled.
I’d like to offer a couple of thoughts on each side of the issue:
1) On the side supporting an increase, I would like to point out that the US is falling quickly behind in the areas of science & engineering education. It is appalling to me that we continue our downward slope in this area, in part due to a large anti-science movement in the US based on fundamentalist views of religion. My daughter is going for her PhD in engineering and most of her fellow grad students are from the Near and Far East and Eastern Europe (as were her fellow under-grads), and are not American citizens. There are very few American students going into these fields. Where is our country going to be without this talent in the coming years? We must accept as many talented scientists and engineers from other countries as we can to remain competitive.
2) On the other hand, companies, like Microsoft, are undercutting Americans in new positions and paying non-citizens less for the same jobs. It is not just out-sourcing - this is happening within companies on American soil just so that they can lower their expenses and increase profits. This is not fair to the American worker, nor is it fair to the foreign worker who is working the same job for less pay and benefits.
In addition to this, there is the fallacy of off-shore savings. I worked for a number of years in IT areas for large companies, managing projects. When the off-shore idea came along, many corp execs jumped on the band wagon hook, line and sinker, hungrily eyeing the savings that were promised. In my experience, every time off-shore IT people worked on projects, the project became over-time and over-budget due to these workers. For the most part this was due to the facts that:
1) the off-shore staff did not understand American business needs (some did not speak English very well);
2) the off-shore staff did not understand American business culture (they had a very hard time taking orders from and reporting to female managers); and,
3) the off-shore staff had a significant turnover, as most larger projects extend over at least a year's time and these folks would leave in the middle to go home to their families, sometimes never to return.
These are just a few of the issues. I could go on and on about the problems. You may say, but if this is the case, then why do corporations continue to use off-shore companies and say that it's such a great thing for American business? Part of the problem is that executives' egos do not allow them to admit that they made a HUGE mistake taking their corporations down these paths. We are stuck with this problem for many, many years to come.
What are your thoughts on this particular part of the immigration issue? Do you have personal experience with having lost a job due to this issue, or have a success story related to it?


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Do people ever hear yourself speak? Do you believe half the crap you spew?
I'm really sick of comments like yours - you are the one that is spewing crap. Let's talk about the facts of what is happening to our country and stop the juvenile name-calling of people who are raising the red-flags against the results of this fundamentalist brainwashing.
Tsk tsk Don . . . that wasn't nice. (And nobody called you a name to provoke you that time).
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Doyle I <~~~~~
Now that there's funny, I don't care who ya' are! LoL!
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Doyle I <~~~~~
There used to be a huge respect for scientific progress in this country - that's what got us to where we are today. It is so sad to see all that progress crumbling.
Find people who stand up against great oppostion for what is RIGHT. Like those who initially denied the President the opportunity to conduct an illegal war against Iraq . . . when the denials cost people dearly. Only ONE lone Republican, Chaffee, spoke his mind and voted no. He has since lost his seat. HE, is a hero. ...and I'm NO Republican!
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Doyle I <~~~~
As a teacher, I'm wondering if you have heard of Project Lead the Way? My Rotary group is sponsoring the program over the next few years in our local Middle and High schools as one of our major education sponsorship efforts. I had never heard of it before, but it sounds like something you might be interested in looking into, if you haven't already.
If you mean that society's focus is on materialistic and pop pursuits, I couldn't agree with you more. As Tom puts it, our heroes are not scientists and statesmen and humanitarians. Kids look to foolish Hollywood personalities and sports stars for guidance. We need to start turning our children away from popular media and more to opening up their minds to real knowledge. My kids basically grew up without the TV on. How many parents would kill their TVs now? How many parents would say 'no' to music and magazines and letting their kids dress/act like sleezy adults? This is not a religious thing - it's a common sense thing. We just need to develop some common sense in this country, say no to commercialism and get back to the important things in life, of which real education/learning is a priority.
What would happen if parents started using their own common sense, if they have it, then? There's no law that makes them sit their kids in front of a tv up to 10 hours a day. There's no law that forces them to get their kids cell phones and every other electronic device known to man by the time they're in elementary school. There's no law that forces them to let their kids act like little demanding monsters.
This was not brought on by experts - Dr. Spock was around when I was a kid and my mother thought it was a load of BS so I was raised pretty strictly, but with love. I was not beaten. You can't counter one extreme with another. Common sense needs to come back into society.
I have no problem with people having their own religious beliefs, but keep them in Sunday school, not in public education. So much time and money has been spent on the public front and I think people would be appalled at the changes made in science texts (put out by companies in TX and such) over the past years that has diluted the curricula by trying not to offend fundamentalist views.
Any country reaps what it sows. We're no different.
Fundamentalists love to cite the fall of Rome due to immoral behavior - what about the fall of the Arabic scientific revolution due to religion? Never hear much about that.
Thanks for your comment.