In November 1990 I officially came to the U.S. from Canada via an I-94 work Visa.
I showed up at the U.S. customs and Immigration desk in Toronto international airport with a letter of Employment from a hospital here in San Antonio, my Canadian Passport and $55.00 US in cash. Every year, I drove to the U.S.-Mexico Border Station at Del Rio and walked or took a Taxi across the bridge into Mexico, had lunch, did some shopping and then crossed back over the bridge and went to join the rest of the non-citizens in the Immigration Office. We all were waiting our turn with the Immigration Agents to, in my case, present my Canadian passport, a letter of employment and $50.00 US; for which I received a new I-94 visa good for 1 year.
This went on through 2001, until I finally ended up working for a company willing to sponsor me for my Application for Legal Residency in the U.S. There are dozens of hospitals throughout Texas who are happy to recruit and hire Canadian RN’s using the I-94 work visa… but seldom are they willing to sponsor those same RN’s for permanent residency.
In 2001 I applied for the initial step of the process which involved a form which basically required my employer to prove that there were no American RN’s willing to perform the duties for which I had been hired… there’s a chronic shortage of nurses everywhere so that was easily taken care of. Once that change of status was granted I then had to complete several tasks including an Immigration Physical from an approved Physician, proof that I had no criminal record, a Certificate from a group called the CGFNS, or Council Governing Foreign Nurses as well as applying for a different type of work permit ($120.00 each year for the first 2 years) and ‘Travel documents’ so that I could leave the US and return without having to do the whole visa application each time I crossed the border. I put that application in in May of 2002. Then began the wait… every year for the next three years I had to apply for the work permit ($120-$175 by year 3) and the Travel Documents ($110-$140 or there about)* until May of 2005 when I was finally granted permanent resident status. Between lawyer fees, application fees, CGFNS certification exam fees, and Medical fees I had spent somewhere between $3000-$4000.
Now I have to wait until 2010 to be able to apply for US citizenship. Throughout this whole process I have been employed, paid income, social security and Medicare taxes and watched elections of politicians that I am unable to vote for or against due to my lack of Citizenship.
I am writing this because I am reading a lot of people writing impassioned treatises against illegal immigration and I am concerned at the level of viciousness I am reading from some of these people. Now I do not believe in Illegal Immigration , but neither do I believe it’s a viable option to round up all of those who are here illegally. I understand the concerns about paying for healthcare and welfare for these people and their families and it does anger me that so many are able to bypass the whole process that I went through and be granted legal status after just 18 months, but we will never be able to deport them all so I think we need to figure out an alternative. First though we need to stop further illegal entry into the US… a wall is impractical, can’t we spend the money earmarked for that wall on hiring, training and equipping more Border Patrol Agents. Allow those Border Patrol Agents to defend themselves, with guns or Tasers, from the illegals who are conducting felonious crimes, like trafficking either drugs, firearms or people. Enforce our existing laws by charging and fining those who employ illegal aliens and those who house them. Prosecute those who provide these people with false documentation to the fullest extent of the law… no more slapped wrists. Deport those that are already “guests” of the criminal justice system before or after they serve their jail/prison sentence.
Do not persecute those who you call Anchor babies, they didn’t make the decision to be born here and they have the potential to become productive, tax paying citizens if we let them… if they then decide to follow a life of crime… then maybe we could revoke their citizenship.
Even though I have found it expedient to learn some Spanish (about 50% of my patients don’t speak/understand much English) we need to make these people learn English (well American actually), it’s our National language. If we were to go to a non- English speaking country to live we would be expected to learn the common market language of the region, whether it’s Chinese, Spanish or Swahili. Even in Toronto, where there are neighborhoods and restaurants representing almost every Ethnicity/Nationality those people learn to speak basic English. If they wish to follow their native cultural customs and, tech their children the ‘mother tongue’ they do so in after school and community programs not at the expense of the taxpayers.
{* I don’t remember the exact fees charged for these documents so am giving the minimum that I remember paying the first 2 years… all fees went up considerably in the third year}
I edited this so I could add it to my spotlight section as somebody recently asked why I could not vote in this election... I think this should be sufficient explanation ;>P
BTW I should be able to vote by the time the next election comes around... I hope.


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many, many years. It's a mess and I hope a remedy is found soon.
Yep, Bush and Mexico were trying to push this through without the knowledge of US citizens and congress. If it wasn't for a group pushing to have the information released through the Freedom of Information Act, this would have gone through and we would not have been able to do a thing about it after the fact.
Goodbye illegals, the party will soon be over!!!!
Gov. to seek cuts in aid to families on welfare
Children whose parents don't work enough or are undocumented would lose funds.
By Evan Halper, LA Times Staff Writer
January 8, 2007
"SACRAMENTO — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will propose a major rollback of the state's welfare system this week, including a cutoff of aid to tens of thousands of children whose parents do not meet minimum work requirements or are in the country illegally, administration officials said Sunday.
The governor's welfare plan would extend to a program that provides cash grants to children who are U.S. citizens but whose parents are here illegally."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-budget8jan08,0,2873625.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines
TODAY'S EDITORIAL
Washington Times
January 5, 2007
"On its way to bankruptcy, Social Security will get there a bit sooner if President Bush, Republican senators (and prospective presidential candidates) John McCain, Chuck Hagel and Sam Brownback and the overwhelming majority of Democratic senators get their way.
As Stephen Dinan reported in The Washington Times yesterday, the Bush administration has reached an agreement with Mexico that would permit illegal aliens, after they are granted amnesty in the future, to claim Social Security benefits for the work they performed while in the United States illegally, even if the illegal aliens committed felonies by using fraudulent Social Security documents to obtain their jobs."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20070104-112337-3768r.htm
Illegal Workers Could Receive Billions When Bush Signs Social Security Agreement with Mexico: (Known as Totalization Agreement).
TREA Senior Citizens League filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit in U.S. District Court this morning after numerous refusals over three years by the U.S. Department of State and Social Security Administration to provide a draft of, or virtually any pertinent information regarding, the impact of the Totalization Agreement with Mexico on the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.
The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund. The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Many critics believe he intends to sign it shortly after the 2006 midterm elections.
Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without congressional vote, either house would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.
Under the Totalization Agreement, millions of illegal Mexicans working in the United States today could claim benefits from the Social Security Trust Fund for work performed while in the United States illegally. They could do so through immigration amnesty, through which they could claim past Social Security payments for illegal work. They could also potentially return to Mexico and claim credits for illegal work in the United States, or claim payments through other as yet undisclosed methods."
Cont'd through links.....
http://www.tscl.org/NewContent/102689.asp
http://www.tscl.org/NewContent/102697.asp
Web Posted: 01/04/2007 12:05 AM CST
Hernán Rozemberg
Express-News Immigration Writer
"An unratified U.S.-Mexico accord meant to make it easier for each country's workers abroad to receive retirement benefits is a pathway to reward undocumented immigrants who will drain U.S. Social Security coffers, says a senior citizens group that obtained a copy of the document.
More than three years after suing the Social Security Administration and State Department for failing to make the "totalization agreement" public, the TREA Senior Citizens League was provided a copy Wednesday.
The U.S.-Mexico treaty would allow Mexican workers to begin applying for Social Security after having worked here a year and a half. The maximum period covered is five years of employment because the workers are assumed to be in the country temporarily.
But the document is based on existing benefits laws that provide loopholes for unauthorized migrants to collect benefits, and that sends the wrong message, according to the senior league.
"Are we going to reward people who are here illegally, who violated our laws?" asked George Smith, 76, chairman of the senior league's board of directors through last year, who retired in San Antonio.
On the U.S. side, it still needs State Department approval and, assuming the president signs it, Congress has two months to approve or kill it.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA010407.01A.social.security.immigrat.302f58d.html
Hasta La Vista, Social Security
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 1/4/2007
"Entitlements: About to become law is an agreement allowing illegal aliens to get Social Security benefits after only 18 months of employment in the U.S., further burdening a system on the brink of collapse.
So it must be somewhat disconcerting for them to find out that about to become law is an agreement signed on June 29, 2004, between the U.S. Commissioner of Social Security and the director general of the Mexican Social Security Institute that allows illegal aliens to collect Social Security benefits if they have as little as 18 months of employment history.
The agreement, which awaits President Bush's signature, can take effect without Congress' approval. All the Democratic Congress has to do is nothing. It doesn't have to vote to approve it — it has only 60 days to disapprove it, which isn't likely because they likely support allowing it to become law.
The agreement would drain more billions from a system with a $14 trillion liability and assets of only $3.5 trillion, according to a 2003 report by the Center for Immigration Studies. "
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=252806106775089
You can also find more details about the above--and many more issues/articles regarding the illegal invasion--at www.americanpatrol.com
www.Americanpatrol.com
www.saveourstate.org
Go to Forums>>>General Discussion
www.numbersusa.com
By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Associated Press Writer
"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Immigrants arrested for being in the United States illegally may have been charged up to six more times, for more serious crimes, after they were released by local authorities, new Justice Department data indicate.
Additionally, a separate report also issued Monday concludes that the number of illegal immigrants deported after being declared a felon is on the rise."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRIMINAL_IMMIGRANTS?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-01-08-08-55-21
www.americanpatrol.com
So those children get to pay for their parent's crimes... wonderful form of "justice"
you're promoting! Please read some of the suggestions I've made... they are certainley not as thoughtless as some of what you seem to be advocating. Again:
Do not persecute those who you call Anchor babies, they didn't make the decision to be born here and they have the potential to become productive, tax paying citizens if we let them… if they then decide to follow a life of crime… then maybe we could revoke their citizenship.
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I've visited one or two of the sites that you've mentioned in other people's articles and some of them concern me... some of the rhetoric is reminiscent of the propaganda spewed by 'Skin heads' and the KKK. I am afraid that this kind of thought process will lead to the same kind of reaction towards
US Citizens of Hispanic descent as that which was directed to anybody thought to be of Muslim origins after 9/11!
I have friends who are third generation American Citizens who routinely get harrassed by the authorities because they are obviously of hispanic origin!
Very good article. I fully support you any everyone, from any country, who strives contribute to the U.S. society via legal means. Yes, its time consuming and at time difficult and a bit frustrating, but didn't you feel good once you succeeded?
Good on you!
What would happen to you or I if we were caught with stolen property not knowing that it was stolen ? Do you think we would get off the hook because we didn't know it was stolen ?
Also,what about the I-9 Forms ? Most of the foreign restaurants ( Chinese, Mexican and Thai ) in my area aren't usung the I-9 Forms which are required by Federal Law, and they are paying their employees cash under the table. Where is the Department of Labor ? Why aren't they checking up on these places ?
We have a broken system that seriously needs to be fixed.
BTW, I do think illegal immigration is a problem but it's part of our highest bidder problem with government. If corporations didn't have a reduce labor cost by any means approach and weren't able to buy the sort of government they want, a lot of the problem would be gone. It's not a supply problem. It's a demand problem.
The SIMPLE solution that NOBODY sees, is the IRS!
If we had a FLAT 10% SALES ONLY tax, then EVERYONE who crosses the border and spends money would be paying into the 'system'.
My grandparents came from Italy, and opened a restaurant in Rhode Island.
They lived much like the 'Mexicans' crowding all their family into one home until the young ones were old enough and had the money to get their own place.
As far as benefits, the benefits should reflect only what those folks have paid into the system, and should be based on the dollar amount. I looked at my wife's SSI information, and she has earned more money than I, over the years./ SSI says her benefit would be nearly half of what I will receive (hypothetically) - why? Because she's a girl and I'm a boy - now what kind of reasoning is that in today's world?
Bottom line is that we all need to contact our representatives and let them know what we feel, otherwise it will continue as things stand today.
I believe fair and reasonable immigration policies should be put into place. Hearing all this stuff about 'anchor babies' and such is insignificant to what is actually happening BEHIND OUR BACKS. Another friend of my in the Army National Guard is in San Diego right now, and, my friend tells me that they are building a fence and it will go up. Also, from what my friend was able to get in regards to more information, it was this; they are getting more money to hire more border patrol agents, but, the military will be there to 'take up the slack', until the significant amount of border patrol agents are enlisted. And, furthermore, it will definitely be awhile before the ENTIRE fence is build across the border. But, the government does things behind our backs everyday, and we shouldn't be surprised about that. If we knew what they were doing, we would want heads to roll, I'm sure.
Brenda,
Fear and hate mongering and scapgoating won't solve anything.
A flat tax would help. More security at the borders will help. Enforcement of our existing laws and writing equitable new law will make a huge difference. I think the biggest issue is that we've all agreed, until now, [and for a whole host of reasons which are another whole story] that this has been a satisfactory arrangement. Now it is not [for a whole host of reasons]-- and some more than others seem to need someone to blame. Granted, there is lots of blame to go around. We only have to look in the mirror to find a good place to start. After we look in the mirror, we can look at mom and pop business, at congress, at the corporate sector [e.g., Swift meat packing], at investors, at wall street, the multinationals, at political elites [the Council on Foreign Affairs is just one example]; and, look at the immigration system itself, and quotas, and special interests.
Just follow the money trail to the special interests who benefit from the system the way it's been thus far. Most of us are in there somewhere. I don't take pride in being part of a system that scapegoats children and those who have worked hard and contributed and will never be able to become a citizen no matter how long they wait or how hard they work. There have to be some compromises.
Like Gatobilis says, now we'll have to suck it up. Children shouldn't have to bear the brunt of the sucking up process. Surely, we are more civilized than that.
As for Schwarznegger's plans -- he has many plans. Some of those plans are designed for the benefit of the public eye and some are for the benefit of special interest pockets and his own special interests. Many deals have already been made and are being struck. The same goes for congress and the President. We voted, we shall vote again and we shall see how it all turns out. It behooves us all to speak up and let our legislators know how we feel.
I can think of a very famous wall that didn't really work, became irrelevant, and came down. I can think of another wall that isn't working and will inevitably come down. So, I'm ambivalent at best about walls, real or otherwise. Laws usually work if equitably written and enforced. Where there is a will there is a way? Right now there is no real will, not in our body politic and certainly not south of the border. With or without Fox, [the former president] I don't see Mexico doing their part to secure our southern border in any kind of United America's agreement. Do you? Anyone else think that is an answer for the immediate future?
You said you came to the US on I-94 work visa...
but many seem to forget that many illegal immigrants come illegally because they cannot get a visa at all..
I am sure that you---and others like you that support/defend the illegal invasion---will have no problem supporting and footing the bill for the illegal invaders and/or their anchor children. The MAJORITY of US citizens want the illegal invaders deported---along with their anchor children. The MAJORITY of US citizens want the 14th Amendment revised--no more anchor babies. The MAJORITY want our borders closed and secured.
I think that it is a great plan actually---anyone who wants them here can be responsible for supporting them!!! Other than that, the MAJORITY of LEGAL US citizens have made their views/opinions very clear----they do not want one dime of their money going to support illegal invaders in any way!
They have the right to be treated fairly and humanely until they are deported. The US and US citizens are not morally or financially responsible for illegal invaders into this country. Build the wall----enforce our laws----deport them all!!!
Again do not condem the child for the sins of the parents ... if you claim christian leanings there was something about not making the child pay for the sins of the fathers in the bible...
On a more practical level how, Exactly do you propose we "round up and deport" almost 12 million illegals and their anchor babies?
Sounds suspiciously like the pogroms of Nazi Germany to me... if you run amok chasing out those that you think are illegal how many legal immigrants are you likely to catch up in this blanket deportation... oh and will you suggest that they use/carry guns to shoot any of those anchor babies who don't understand why they should leave too! The attitude that your words suggest sounds suspiciously like that of the KKK... and as far as I know the MAJORITY of Americans condemned that atitude over 40 years ago! Fanatacisdm comes in all guises... as does fascism!
The racism/xenophobic cards do not work with me---or the MAJORITY of US citizens--when it comes to the illegal invaders/invasion. Based on your views, we should also be releasing all of the US citizens who are currently in jail and have children--after all, it is not the children's fault as to what crimes their parents committed.
We will not have to round them up. More and more cities are passing laws similar to those in Hazleton, PA. Any/all employers caught hiring illegals will be faced with fines and having their business licenses taken away. Any landlords caught renting to illegals will be fined (for the first offense). Proof of citizenship is required to apply for social benefits. Soon, US citizens will also be demanding proof of citizenship in order to enter into our school systems or to receive any type of non-emergency medical care. Finally, they are given a date---such as six months from now---for all illegals to be out of the country, or they will face prosecution/imprisonment if they are caught in the country after that date.
If the illegals are not able to get a job, find a place to live, or leach off of the social system/benefits---why would they stay, and why would they keep coming?
The illegals knew they were breaking the law when they came into this country. It is not our fault that they decided to drop an anchor baby so that they could hit the social benefit jackpot in this country---and try to fight prosecution/deportation when they were caught.
Nobody is trying to keep the illegal invaders away from their children, they have the right to take them with them when they are deported, or they leave on their own.
Those new laws are really working..NOT!! They just passed an ordinance in my county making it illegal to rent to illegal immigrants.. and 2 weeks later announced that it will not be enforced.. and people are calling for it to be repealed. I don't know where you get you "majority" numbers..
gatobilis: The children of illegals should not be punished for the sins of their parents any more than I should pay reparations to blacks for the treatment they received under previous generations.
Nippy Katz:I'm tired of hearing about the illegal alien "invasion" that's bleeding the country dry and taking jobs from U. S. citizens. Seems to me the "invasion" is puffed up to distract people from more serious systemic problems like a government that's for sale, an economy that's unsustainable, and leaders with dreams of empire.
Missy W. I don't take pride in being part of a system that scapegoats children and those who have worked hard and contributed and will never be able to become a citizen no matter how long they wait or how hard they work. There have to be some compromises.
Like Gatobilis says, now we'll have to suck it up. Children shouldn't have to bear the brunt of the sucking up process. Surely, we are more civilized than that.
Wayne p Something a friend of mine said once, about the history of the U.S. and it's discovery . . . he said, "This is the best country we ever stole."
I believe fair and reasonable immigration policies should be put into place. Hearing all this stuff about 'anchor babies' and such is insignificant to what is actually happening BEHIND OUR BACKS.
Eric S.
The SIMPLE solution that NOBODY sees, is the IRS!
If we had a FLAT 10% SALES ONLY tax, then EVERYONE who crosses the border and spends money would be paying into the 'system'.
Not one of those people is advocating taking action against "Anchor Babies"
Go back and read my article I made several points/suggestions including:
First though we need to stop further illegal entry into the US… a wall is impractical, can't we spend the money earmarked for that wall on hiring, training and equipping more Border Patrol Agents. Allow those Border Patrol Agents to defend themselves, with guns or Tasers, from the illegals who are conducting felonious crimes, like trafficking either drugs, firearms or people. Enforce our existing laws by charging and fining those who employ illegal aliens and those who house them. Prosecute those who provide these people with false documentation to the fullest extent of the law… no more slapped wrists. Deport those that are already "guests" of the criminal justice system before or after they serve their jail/prison sentence.
It bothers me that you have taken my article, which was, I feel, fair and
balanced and have used it as a forum for your Hate-mongering. But then
again I suspected I might attract one or two of you... such is the danger of publishing to a public forum. Not that I don't welcome "fair and Balanced
ideas or discussion, and I am more than willing to look at other people's
views and opinions. If they hold merit, my views can change or adapt as
valid facts are presented... after all I am a grown up and change
is part of life, it's when we refuse or deny change that we stagnate!
On a cellular level change only stops with death.
By the way, if you read any of the other articles posted by those who have commented here you will find that we cross the whole spectrum from liberal to conservative...
Take a look at some of the other articles posted on this site alone regarding the illegal invaders. Based on the comments, you cannot determine what the majority of Americans think/feel regarding this issue? Also, the racism/xenophobic claims used by the illegals and the illegal supporters is what they do when they know that they have lost the argument.
Also, take a look at some of the recent polls. The polls indicate that the MAJORITY want the illegals gone---no amnesty, no guest worker programs---just deported!!
You may want to watch Lou Dobbs, who is on CNN at 6PM EST. He has been helping LEGAL US citizens tackle the invasion of the illegals for over two years now. His ratings have increased by 52% since this time last year, and they have now put his show on Saturdays and Sundays as well. When you hear the interviews, reports, letters from listeners, you will clearly see what the MAJORITY wants in regard to this illegal invasion.
Here is another site you should look at as well..........
www.americanpatrol.com
They are only "temporarily" not being enforced!! The situation is going to get a LOT worse for the illegals. Soon, even schools will be requiring proof of citizenship before children will be able to attend. Soon hospitals will be requiring proof of citizenship for all non-emergency medical procedures.
There are many ways that they will be enforced by people who want the illegal invaders gone--even though they have not technically gone into effect as of yet. For example, landlords can begin doing credit checks on all new applicants. How many illegals do you think would pass the credit checks? Just doing the credit check will require the illegal to come up with a SS number. Uh-oh---they are illegal, they won't have a SS number. This cannot be considered racism/discrimination, as it will be required for "all" new applicants. If the illegals try to present fraudulent documents, the landlords can contact ICE to turn them in.
Do you really think that employers---knowing the trouble that they will be in if they get caught and the current attention to this issue---are still going to continue hiring illegals? Solution---proof of citizenship documentation is required for all new job applicants. I wonder how many employers will then call ICE if it is determined that a job applicant is an illegal and is trying to pass off fraudulent documents.
Sooooooo.....even though the laws have not been enforced as of yet---this is only temporary, and there are many ways for those who want the illegals gone to get around the technicalities.
again flexability is a sign of growth, change is life, where everything stays the same there is little hope for growth!
Most of us attend to what others have to say and are open to other ideas and opinions... you keep copy pasting the same articles, the same web sites and stick only to those groups and articles that villify all illegal immigrants and their progeny... you even went so far as to suggest that Attorney General Gonzales is an Anchor baby... do you plan to deport him too>?
You seem to be a "one track mind" ...
Brenda posts these same bogus stories from the "Washington Times" on every discussion of Immigration.
The Washington Times, run by the Moonies, hires every right wing nutcase to create fictitious "news" to incite the conservative base. It is an attempt to influence the debate, not to direct action.
There is no "Totalization" agreement, there is no pending legislation to give aliens full social secusity benefits. These are lies, and pernicious ones at that.
Here's a test -
I defy any of these "arrest them all and send them back" yahoos to identify by name or number a single piece of legislation now before the House or Senate that proposes anything like they are alleging.
It is bullshit, and hateful bullshit.
The only piece of sensible reasoning is the suggestion to send the nimrod, "please let me torture" sorry excuse of an Attorney General some place far away.
FYI..............
*........Notice the number of people who voted--throughout the country!!
I am sure if they did this poll again today, there would be even more than 93%!!!!!
CNN Quick Vote
August 16, 2006
Do you believe illegal immigrants who have anchor babies in the United States should be immune from deportation?
Yes 7% 1108 votes
No 93% 13831 votes
Total: 14939 votes
http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/26768.exclude.html
Nobody is going to have to round them up to deport them. Cities/states will pass their own anti-illegal invader laws so that they leave on their own. As more and more cities do this throughout the country, they will not have a choice but to self deport.
Also, more and more cities/states are letting their police officers go through the training/certification so that they are able to begin to legally enforce federal immigration laws. They will legally be able to inquire about citizenship status, arrest, and make arrangements for deportation with ICE.
You are clueless if you think that the totalization agreement and "SS for illegals" is BS. You will be eating your words very soon, as this begins to get more and more exposure. CNN did a report about this, are they liars as well?
http://dailynightly.msnbc.com/2006/12/truths_about_th.html#comments
It says what we all say: immigration has grown enormously, it strains local systems, it is deeply embedded in our economy so the costs of produce and construction will rise where it is curtailed, it arouses deep animosity about Hispanic culture, it deepens the debate about globalization...IT DOESN'T SAY A FLIPPING WORD ABOUT THE BOGUS "TOTALIZATION" LAW.
This problem is complicated and will require a careful legislative remedy.
That will not happen if the nutcases keep howling about non-existent plots.
Hence, the role of right wing organs like the Washington Times.
The challenge still stands, Brenda; identify one piece of pending legislation that proposes any of the things you have alleged.
I am all aquiver in anticipation.
Look at the wording ... it does not ask if the anchor babies should be deported!
Oh, and 14,939 out of 300,000,000. that's less than 0.5% of the entire population of the USA... as Missy says elswhere.. "big Whoop"!
You can see the "majority"based on comments on this site?
How can you tell that the majority because of posted articles... it is the SAME people posting and commenting over and over..
It is senseless to argue with you, as you do not "see" yet. If you want actual opinions and stats of the MAJORITY I suggest the following..............
First, be sure to watch Lou Dobbs on CNN at 6PM EST. Also, check out these sites......
www.americanpatrol.com
The above site also provides many other links
www.numbersusa.com
What are you not getting about that poll? US citizens are saying---even if the illegals have anchor children, they want them deported. They should not be allowed to stay just because of the anchor children. This means that the illegals will have to take their anchor children with them, or leave them here to be raised by a LEGAL family member or friend.
Based on the number of people who voted in that poll, it is very easy/realistic to see how the MAJORITY of LEGAL US citizens feel.
If they feel this way--even with the issue regarding anchor children---you should definitely "see" how they would feel regarding all other issues involving the illegal invaders.
Why not read all of the responses by LEGAL US citizens to the Tom Brokaw show/article. Click on the link above. These are citizens throughout the country, and they have made their views very clear!!
The response/opinions of those on this site reflect the same responses/opinions of citizens on all sites/blogs regarding the illegal invader issues. I don't know what else to tell you, because you just do not want to "see".
I am going to suggest the same things to you as I did Peter and Kathleen........
First, be sure to watch Lou Dobbs on CNN at 6PM EST. Also, check out these sites......
www.americanpatrol.com
The above site also provides many other links
www.numbersusa.com
Here is the NBC link to Tom Brokaw's report on the illegal issues.
Read all of the comments from citizens throughout the country!!
http://dailynightly.msnbc.com/2006/12/truths_about_th.html#comments
"Oh, and 14,939 out of 300,000,000. that's less than 0.5% of the entire population of the USA... as Missy says elswhere.. "big Whoop"!"
There are no polls in the US taken where ALL citizens vote. However, they use a large enough portion of voters to determine how the majority would also think/vote. This poll was done by CNN. This means that the voting was done by citizens in different cities, states, with different demographics, etc. Therefore, this means that they were not just polling citizens from one specific area where they would get a specific response that they wanted. Based on this, the results of this poll can be interpreted as the way the MAJORITY in this country feels.
This crap about "Totalization" and "full social security benefits" - These are bogus stories circulated to inflame right wing nutcase hysteria.
Third Time:
I dare you to identify a single piece of pending legislation that would enact any of the inflamatory things you have described.
Maybe the information at this link would be helpful to you.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back904.html
Amy has "special Interests" when it comes to illegal immigration....She's married to one!
Here are a couple more...
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1762975/posts
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/1/4/174024.shtml?s=lh
lNow I do not believe in Illegal Immigration , but neither do I believe it's a viable option to round up all of those who are here illegally. I understand the concerns about paying for healthcare and welfare for these people and their families and it does anger me that so many are able to bypass the whole process that I went through and be granted legal status after just 18 months, but we will never be able to deport them all so I think we need to figure out an alternative. First though we need to stop further illegal entry into the US… a wall is impractical, can't we spend the money earmarked for that wall on hiring, training and equipping more Border Patrol Agents. Allow those Border Patrol Agents to defend themselves, with guns or Tasers, from the illegals who are conducting felonious crimes, like trafficking either drugs, firearms or people. Enforce our existing laws by charging and fining those who employ illegal aliens and those who house them. Prosecute those who provide these people with false documentation to the fullest extent of the law… no more slapped wrists. Deport those that are already "guests" of the criminal justice system before or after they serve their jail/prison sentence.
Do not persecute those who you call Anchor babies, they didn't make the decision to be born here and they have the potential to become productive, tax paying citizens if we let them… if they then decide to follow a life of crime… then maybe we could revoke their citizenship.
So tell me Bill M. where in that suggestion does it say that I:
think we need to make it one-fourth in the next few years?
We need to let the Border Patrol do it's job, not advocate
vigilante style aprehension of people who "look like they are illegals".
and generally over-populate my country. Does that seem fair to you?
As far as I'm concerned, that shouldn't have to be proved. There are ways to check applicants out. There is the I-9 form, which is required by law , and then background checks. If you run a background check, and the applicant's SS number doesn't match, then don't hire them. I've found also that simply showing the applicant the back of the I-9 form, columns A, B, and C and the documents required to prove eligibility usually iliminates potential illegals because they never show back up. What is required is 1 document from column A , or 1 document from both columns B and C.
She has stated that he's from Guatamala and they have friends who are in this country illegally, hence the bias for illegals. Whether her husband is illegal I can't say for sure, since she says they are married and have a child. Sound familiar?
and generally over-populate my country. Does that seem fair to you?
Bill, you know if you'd read my article instead of Brenda's comments you'd realise that I already covered that ground. I just happen to think that no matter how many you round up and deport... if the Border is still porous then it's more of a tax on you and I than those who work and pay into the system receiving benefits is a tax on you and I... 'cause the bottom line is, as far as SSI goes without a Social Security number they can't claim social security and as Timothy points out If you run a background check, and the applicant's SS number doesn't match, then don't hire them ... and don't give them benefits!
Timothy , Amy's husband is a legal immigrant from Guatamala! H.G. is just being pissy because she doesn't agree with his view point!
Ahh, not so easy. I work with this every day. MANY of these illegals are in this country and are using the documentation of others so they have no problem showing you the required documents. The problem is, the documents belong to someone else. They may have a doctored picture ID from another state that looks very legit to go along with someone else's social security card.
We, as other employers do- go one step further and verify the social security numbers of those we hire. Unfortunately, you cannot check anyone until AFTER you've hired them and then if you find there is a problem with their documentation, it's too late- you've already hired someone who is illegal-even though you are doing EVERYTHING in your power to avoid it.
To check the social security number you have the info from the social security card with their name-exactly as it is on the social security card they showed you and their date of birth. This is where many illegals lose it. They may have the social security number and have a picture ID that has been faked for them very well to establish them with that name but they don't have the correct birthdate of the person whose social security number it actually is. BUSTED.
Or the name they gave doesn't match the name that is associated with the social security number in the system. BUSTED again.
Even then- it's unlawful to immediately do anything about them. You have to notify them that there is a problem with their social security number and give them the opportunity to rectify the problem. Meanwhile, in most cases, we are employing someone illegal and many of them know that they'll get another couple of weeks of pay out of it and they move on to the next employer.
For those of us who are trying to be legal and have only those who are legal working for us- it's not an easy thing. And it's infuriating to see them come in with the most bogus paperwork and you look at them and tell them their paperwork is OBVIOUSLY fake and they just smile and leave-knowing that there is somewhere else it will work.
And WHAT exactly IS my "viewpoint?!
Workplace enforcement isn't only the employers responsibility, it's also up to ICE as well as the Department of Labor, both at the Federal and State levels.
None of the foreign restaurants in my area are keeping the I-9 forms on file, nor are they keeping personell files period, and I know this to be a fact.
If the Kentucky Department of Labor was doing it's job, they would be out in the field checking the files of every employeer. I have worked at this store for six years, and nobody from the Kentucky Department of Labor has ever shown up to check our personell files. If I wanted to hire illegals, I could actually get away with it.
Now is the time for you to take back the money from Marcos....you might need it for the cost of DNA testing! :p
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2)Newsmax.com ... looks like another extreme conservative
site to me.
I would venture to guess that you're views lean towards the ultra right/conservative
If you go back and read who I posted to, Peter I think, you will see that he was looking for info specifically on Totalization. These sites are as good as any as far as I'm concerned. And FYI I don't play into partisan politics.
The first link I posted was from the Center for Immigration Studies. How convenient for you to overlook them before writing your comment about my "views".
From their website:
"Who We Are
The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit research organization founded in 1985. It is the nation's only think tank devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States. "
There are 17 people looking for a place to live, what is your address? However, you might want to check with your neighbors first, just to make sure that they do not mind 17 people going to the bathroom in the back yard. Not in an outhouse---but right in the back yard.
Homeowner cited for filthy living conditions
17 people living in home
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his article was published on Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:42 PM CST in News
By Trish Mehaffey
The Morning News, Northwest Arkansas
"SPRINGDALE -- The front of the house at 1524 Pioneer St. looked fairly normal -- but when Springdale Police Sgt. Billy Turnbough went inside he wasn't prepared for what he stepped into.
There was about an inch of standing water in the living room from backed up sewage in the bathroom. The room was bare, except for a bunk bed unit piled high with clothes in the corner.
The kitchen sink was stopped up with water. The family of 17 living in the house used a 50-gallon trash can to dump out sink water so they could wash dishes, said Turnbough, a member of the Springdale Nuisance Abatement Partnership program. When the trash can filled with water, the family dumped it in the backyard.
In the bathroom a tub was filled with 8 to 10 inches of stagnant water and two toilets had overflowed.
Two families, seven adults and 10 children, ages 1 to 12, were living in the 1,016 square foot home, owned by Sergo Favela-Suarez, that had a maximum occupancy for five.
"There were four kids to one bed," Turnbough said.
The size of the bedrooms allowed capacity for one or two people according to housing code, said Mike Chamlee, Springdale chief building inspector.
Two of the adults were handicapped, one man was in a wheelchair and a women was on crutches because she had a toe amputated as a result of diabetes, Turnbough said.
The house was littered with trash, moldy food and crumbs on the floors and had a horrible odor, but the worse was yet to come.
Turnbough walked into the backyard and discovered large amounts of human feces, wads of used toilet paper and other trash between the privacy fence and a shed. Grease used for cooking had been dumped on the grass and waste.
"They had been going outside because the plumbing was backed up. There was a roll of toilet paper on the fence. The neighbors couldn't see anything because of the fencing. It was horrible. This is the worse case I've seen," Turnbough said.
Turnbough had been alerted to the house Tuesday when a bondsman went to apprehend Sergo Favela-Suarez, 21, and two other occupants on outstanding warrants.
Sergo Favela-Suarez, found in the trunk of a car in the garage, was arrested on a Washington County warrant for failure to appear and possession of a controlled substance.
Leonel Favela-Suarez, 28, was arrested on a Lincoln warrant for contempt of court and Jose Favela, 22, was arrested on Elm Springs and Springdale warrants for contempt of court.
Neither Turnbough or Chamlee know how the three are related.
Sergo Favela-Suarez was cited for over-occupancy, property maintenance and unsightly or unsanitary condition violations, Chamlee said. The family was given 24 hours to fix the plumbing. The deadline was Thursday and it wasn't repaired.
Sergo Favela-Suarez may also face 10 counts of misdemeanor endangering the welfare of a minor, Turnbough said.
"They're not allowed to live there without a working sewer," Chamlee said. Police will secure the house to deter vandals. The house has been red tagged as unsanitary or unsafe.
The children and the two handicapped adults were taken by the Department of Human Services for placement in suitable housing.
The Springdale Nuisance Abatement Partnership program, established last year, is designed give police and code enforcement officers the authority to close unsafe, unsanitary homes and businesses. Property found to be in violation must be repaired before the owner can move back in or rent the property."
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/01/13/news/011207szbadconditions.txt
I'm aware that it is lawful to do background checks prior to hire, Tim. It is also lawful to add the social security number verification to that background check. The problem lies in the SS Admin's rules about how that can be done. If you want to verify social security numbers, it's free if you do it after they are hired. If you want to do it pre-hire, unless you are only verifying one or two numbers, it's cost prohibitive.
The work is done by us, accessing their records via the internet. It's a data entry function and the answer is instantaneous (if their site is up and doesn't boot you out). The ridiculous part is that they want to charge employers for verifying those who haven't been hired yet, when it doesn't seem it would cost them any more for those records to be accessed than it does if they've already been hired.
It's just another obstacle that is out there when checking to see if someone is legal. And it's not even something that is required. I don't have to verify anything they've given me. All I have to do is look at the documentation they provide to complete their I-9 and if it looks legit, I've done my job. We go one step further to the SS# verification. If they made it easier, we'd find more of these illegals in the system.
The thing is- even then, it's not foolproof. Someone can have all of the information correct and a fake picture ID that would pass with the most knowledgable among us and it comes back as a match. It's still NOT THEIR INFO. It's either a relative's or stolen etc.
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Kathleen--who are these line-jumpers, and how do they do it? Even more importantly, why doesn't everyone do it if it's that simple?
In any case, I'm a little surprised you would be angered. From your description, the nonimmigrant visa you used was a TN--Nafta Professional visa. (I-94 is not a visa type; it's the name of the arrival/departure form that everyone entering on a nonimmigrant visa gets and that you use as proof of your status in the US. The letter code for your status and its expiration date are written on it when you're admitted.)
This visa, as its name suggests, is not available to most of the people who'd like to immigrate to the US. In fact, while it's available to Mexican citizens who qualify, only Canadian citizens are able to simply have it stamped in at the border when in possession of an employment letter for a qualifying profession. Mexican citizens have to apply at a consulate and go through a much more rigorous visa process. (I suppose they could be pretty angry about that obvious case of discrimination...) And the H1B visa that professionals from other countries use is more restrictive, harder to get, and less "secure". (TN has no numerical caps, and in theory can be extended indefinitely. The flipside of that, of course, is that employers are less anxious to start the green card process than with an H1B worker, who would otherwise have to leave after six years.)
I'm sorry to put it so bluntly, but most would-be immigrants could be angry with you as a Canadian citizen--you had an opportunity they don't have. From their point of view, that opportunity to work in the US, with yearly trips to the border to renew their stamp and all, could be everything they've ever dreamed of.
Just saying...
You have it right on Brenda, too:
You seem to be a "one track mind"
At the time I first wrote this Immigration was a "hot topic" as you can see by Ms Brenda's spam comments and there was talk of granting citizenship through an amnesty program once the applicant completed an 18 month 'vetting' process... that has since disappeared into the black hole of government rhetoric.
My main point was the same one Amy also made above, with much fewer words. The people who are here illegally did not refuse to follow a process that's in place for their particular circumstance. There is no process for them. There is no "line" for them to join. The rule is simply "don't come". That's the rule they're breaking by coming anyway, in an economic situation that involves both a "push" acting on them in their societies, and a "pull" here.
I've really had enough of people like Ms. Brenda claiming otherwise, so I always try to point this out.
Another thing: local ordinances against housing illegal immigrants fail because they put landlords in an impossible situation. They are not trained to determine legal status (and, by the way, more than likely would end up denying people with I-94's and EAD's like you had not very long ago, since they don't understand them). But more importantly, they would be caught between violating anti-discrimination laws if they denied people based on a "good reason to believe", and the immigration ordinance if they didn't. Once they understand this, they protest in panic, and the ordinances are overturned or remain unenforced.
However I am deeply offended by the term "anchor baby." When a child is born in the United States, that child is an American citizen. If his or her parent is an illegal alien, they can be deported. If that happens, they are free to leave their American-born child here with someone else. They are NOT allowed to stay with them. Their child must be an adult before applying to bring their parents here, and they cannot petition parents in who are here illegally. The parent to be petitioned in must be in another country at the time of petitioning. That process takes between 5 and 25 years, depending on where the parent lives. "Anchor babies" are a fiction, and an offensive one at that.
That said, there are many people who don't know the difference between a legal alien and an illegal one. This is an insidious form of racism, promoted by politicians to draw attention away from their own wrong-doing.
I wonder if the US restricts people sometime on the basis of chronic illnesses like diabetes? I heard that you can't immigrate to Canada or to Australia if you have diabetes or heart trouble or anything that will add to the overtaxing of their health systems.
But back to the point.
I"m glad the business you work for sponsored you.